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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: under13 on February 01, 2008, 09:06:03 AM
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Well maybe not the worst. But basicaly I go to start the organ up for choir practice last nite and it wont even start. you can hear it try to start, but when you let go of the second switch it just stops. So now I'm gonna be stuck using a roland juno for organ sounds till they get it fixed. It turns out that they havent had it serviced or oiled since they had it (7 years)
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Why would you even play organ sounds on the Juno? Just play piano IMHO
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Why would you even play organ sounds on the Juno? Just play piano IMHO
We have an XP-80 which the Pastor plays piano on, He said he would bring his roland juno. If there are no good organ sounds I'll just play stings or something :'(
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yeah I'd just play horns or strings and such...or bass..but not organ...LOL
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We had that problem once it was weird. It turned out we needed a new scanner and we were going to get a new organ because it was going to cost so much for the guy to come but my dad just put a new one in and it cut the cost down alot!!!
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We had that problem once it was weird. It turned out we needed a new scanner and we were going to get a new organ because it was going to cost so much for the guy to come but my dad just put a new one in and it cut the cost down alot!!!
I hope thats not the problem, cuz they would probaly be too cheap to pay for that
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yo ,have you checked tonewheel general hospitals site? Rick seems to be a very knowledgeable and helpful guy;if the tone generator isn't destroyed/locked up;might get away with just oiling it.But!!!! get some competent advice from a tech(i'm not);if it just need oil -add some Hammond oil'may take 5-10 days to get into all the bearings,the on/off switch is another possible.good luck-pray and fast,LORD can restore even a mistreated B be blessed don't you have any local techs?
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yo ,have you checked tonewheel general hospitals site? Rick seems to be a very knowledgeable and helpful guy;if the tone generator isn't destroyed/locked up;might get away with just oiling it.But!!!! get some competent advice from a tech(i'm not);if it just need oil -add some Hammond oil'may take 5-10 days to get into all the bearings,the on/off switch is another possible.good luck-pray and fast,LORD can restore even a mistreated B be blessed don't you have any local techs?
There was a little thing of oil in the bench, but I could not remember where it goes and I wasnt messin with it. I'll let them have a tech do it, cuz he needs to fix 1 of the pedals too, the 2nd F sounds even when you dont press it
I'll check out tonewheel general hospital,
Thanks Doc
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yo ,have you checked tonewheel general hospitals site? Rick seems to be a very knowledgeable and helpful guy;if the tone generator isn't destroyed/locked up;might get away with just oiling it.But!!!! get some competent advice from a tech(i'm not);if it just need oil -add some Hammond oil'may take 5-10 days to get into all the bearings,the on/off switch is another possible.good luck-pray and fast,LORD can restore even a mistreated B be blessed don't you have any local techs?
Good advice. It could be anything from a bad run switch, faulty run motor, or lack of lubrication. Since it hasn't been serviced in many years, oiling it would be the first thing to do. I'm sure the Leslie needs to be oiled as well.
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Just for your information for when the organ is fixed:
Oiling is simple and should hurt a thing. When you open the back of the organ, you'll see two metal/tin-like cups that funnel to the necessary organ parts. Fill them up with Hammond Tonewheel Generator Oil to about 1/2 to 3/4 full and that's it. The oil will empty out of the cups quickly so don't try to make them stay full. Over-oiling will only cause more oil to leak out of the bottom of the organ and onto your feet.
Again, only use Hammond Tonewheel Generator Oil (accept no substitutes). Anything else (olive oil, sewing machine oil, motor oil, anointing/holy oil, etc.) will cause BAD things to happen.
If the organ is used regularly, then oil it every 3-6 months, but you can really go up to a year without oiling it and the organ should run fine. Those things were built to LAST. When people say, "They don't make `em like they used to," they're talking about vintage Hammonds!
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There was a little thing of oil in the bench, but I could not remember where it goes and I wasnt messin with it. I'll let them have a tech do it, cuz he needs to fix 1 of the pedals too, the 2nd F sounds even when you dont press it
I'll check out tonewheel general hospital,
Thanks Doc
had that same problems with the pedals at my church.the screws on the pedals was loose.So u need tighten the screws.that should fix the problem
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Just for your information for when the organ is fixed:
Those things were built to LAST. When people say, "They don't make `em like they used to," they're talking about vintage Hammonds!
When you look at how the oiling system works, it's amazing that everything gets lubricated.
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When you look at how the oiling system works, it's amazing that everything gets lubricated.
Aaahhh!! The Hammond organ. It is a thing of beauty. :D :D :D
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Well maybe not the worst. But basicaly I go to start the organ up for choir practice last nite and it wont even start. you can hear it try to start, but when you let go of the second switch it just stops. So now I'm gonna be stuck using a roland juno for organ sounds till they get it fixed. It turns out that they havent had it serviced or oiled since they had it (7 years)
No, I have a worse nightmare. Try coming to church(late of course), turnig the organ on trying to be descrete, and have the thing catch fire after having complained to the trustee's for two weeks about the organ needing service. It got service alright, disposal service. I love my new C3. lol ;D ;D ;D
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No, I have a worse nightmare. Try coming to church(late of course), turnig the organ on trying to be descrete, and have the thing catch fire after having complained to the trustee's for two weeks about the organ needing service. It got service alright, disposal service. I love my new C3. lol ;D ;D ;D
Wow! Are you sure it wasn't arson? ;D Don't worry; we won't report you. The organ I play at church was actually in a fire. It's a wonder it still works and sounds great. I proclaimed myself the organ tech because they really don't have the money to get it done.
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Wow! Are you ;D ;D ;)sure it wasn't arson? ;D Don't worry; we won't report you. The organ I play at church was actually in a fire. It's a wonder it still works and sounds great. I proclaimed myself the organ tech because they really don't have the money to get it done.
No, it was'nt arson, just poor maintainance; but I'll keep that in mind. lol
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No, it was'nt arson, just poor maintainance; but I'll keep that in mind. lol
That's good to know. Fire is dangerous though. Big T, for real though all you have to do is kick the organ with those feet of yours and it will stop working. ;D
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My worst nightmare was I had a night gig and the organ died no oil and when I got organ started the lesile died no oil in it.
Go figure.
Luckly my partner and I has spare hammond organ tubes and I had my tools.
Service had already started and I am dirty fixing the organ.
So by me being dirty and upset.
I'd show up and showed out
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That's good to know. Fire is dangerous though. Big T, for real though all you have to do is kick the organ with those feet of yours and it will stop working. ;D Troof!!! :D :D :D
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;D Troof!!! :D :D :D
I'm glad you got a kick out of that. I don't want any trouble around here. :D
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you can use a slege hammer for the organ have you done kicking it :D
that might not make the organ not work but you never know :D
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When your keyboardist transposes but forgets to transpose back, and you are trying to figure out what is going on. EVeryone is looking at you as if it is your problem! ?/?
OR if the guitar and bass player forget to remove the Capo!!!!!!
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I KNOW YOU FEEL REAL ODD RIGHT NOW.PLAYING THAT JUNO.LOL.HANG IN THERE. :-X
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I KNOW YOU FEEL REAL ODD RIGHT NOW.PLAYING THAT JUNO.LOL.HANG IN THERE. :-X
I Only had to play it for one sunday.
The Organ is fixed. The guy also fixed the pedals so now I can learn to play them. The leslie also changes faster than b4.
It was pretty bad playing the Juno, I was 5 feet away from the monitor so I could barely hear myself, There were no good organ sounds , so I just played strings, Then After the sermon I just played the XP-80
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The leslie also changes faster than b4.
I assume the Leslie was oiled as well. It's amazing what happens when the motors don't have to fight the friction from dry bearings. The Leslie at my church used to change speeds slowly and it was due to a seized tension idler bearing.
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I assume the Leslie was oiled as well. It's amazing what happens when the motors don't have to fight the friction from dry bearings. The Leslie at my church used to change speeds slowly and it was due to a seized tension idler bearing.
I always thought it was a 122 because it took longer to change speeds, now I'm sure its a 147rv
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what was the problem with the organ?lack of oil or a bad switch?
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what was the problem with the organ?lack of oil or a bad switch?
I dont know. The guy changed the switch and it still didnt work, so he came back and did something else. I didnt even ask them, but they said that he only charged them $140 which is very reasonable.
But now we have a funny shaped start switch, I wish he woulda kept the old one on it. And I wish I was there so I could have convinced him to put a reverb unit on it :D
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I dont know. The guy changed the switch and it still didnt work, so he came back and did something else. I didnt even ask them, but they said that he only charged them $140 which is very reasonable.
But now we have a funny shaped start switch, I wish he woulda kept the old one on it. And I wish I was there so I could have convinced him to put a reverb unit on it :D
could have been a bad switch or faulty relay in the Leslie. Those Leslie reverbs are so problamatic. We have a 122RV and of course, the reverb doesn't work. I've got reverb on my A-100 and it sounded cheesy to me so I turned it off. Those half moon switches cost about $75 by the way.
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could have been a bad switch or faulty relay in the Leslie. Those Leslie reverbs are so problamatic. We have a 122RV and of course, the reverb doesn't work. I've got reverb on my A-100 and it sounded cheesy to me so I turned it off. Those half moon switches cost about $75 by the way.
I like using the reverb sometimes. I think it sounds cool when you play "Brooklyn Style" or Classical style hymns
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I think it sounds cool when you play "Brooklyn Style" or Classical style hymns
Ummmm no and no. My church has 40 foot high celings so there's about a 2.5 second decay time anyway so who needs spring reverb? ;D
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Ummmm no and no. My church has 40 foot high celings so there's about a 2.5 second decay time anyway so who needs spring reverb? ;D
I don't think I need the reverb either. This is where I play.
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hey fmason-that looks like our sanctuary!! seats about 300,and it's ALL brick!!! about 100'x60'x30' with an arched ceiling -don't know what it's made of.i on't even have a B(yet) running my VOCE module thru a roland keyboard amp.If the sound man gets crazy with the house volume,sometimes we play together,sometimes we play with the echo(1-2 secs) VERYYYYYYY INTERESTING as the guy on laugh-in used to say (one of those 70' shows)
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No personal experience with Hammond nightmares, but I have heard the Hammond fire story before. My music director used to play the organ when she was attending another church in this area. She said the organ started smoking during service. They ended up having to take a fire extinguisher to it. I didn't ask what happened to the Hammond. Last time I was at that church, they had a Hammond C2, but I'm not sure if it was the same organ.
The oiling system in the generator is very interesting. It does take a while to get through the entire generator though so don't expect immediate results. It will progressively get better over a couple of weeks time.
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I've had that problem .. but im kinda handy and i did sumthing and got it going