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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: prince_pof on February 12, 2008, 01:21:21 PM
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Are there enough Spiritual and Annointed musicians in church ? A lot of musicianns arent even saved for real. We should be playing spirits out of people. Like David. What are your thoughts.
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A lot of musicianns arent even saved for real. We should be playing spirits out of people. Like David. What are your thoughts.
I agree with you. Whenever I sit down at the organ, I ask God to use me and that I may bless someone.
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I also agree instead of musicians trying to out do each other, we need to help and encourage other musicians. Some have advanced in their gifts faster than others, I also believe in training up younger musicians and showing them what Ministry is all about. Lets all learn to encourage and help one another in these last days. God Bless All.
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WORD! To me,without having to be long on the matter, As one of the leading musician in my church, my focus for our church service is to allow God to use me by consencrating myself before service begins so I can be filled with God's annointing. There is a Kingdom sent calling to all musicians who serve the Lord to minister to people in the services to break the "guard" inside of them,to open up the channel from them directly to God,for spiritual therapy,healing,transformation,etc in that person. For me to see someone cry and be blessed during the service or alter call, that is a very satisfying feeling inside. I come from an Apostolic/Pentecostal church and am very sensitive to the Holy Spirit when I am ministering on keys. I am blessed to have the gift and talent God has given me to minister to people. I have experienced other problems with "competing during church service" or "I can out-do you on my solo performance" type junk that goes from out of the speaker and God sends it right back down! God giveth,God taketh away! When you give your excellent ALL to God in spirit and with the right attitude, The Lord will honor that. I can never repay for what he has done for me but THAT leaves me with a good feeling when the service ended like that. God Bless.......... :)
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We should be so much more in tune with the spirit. And we have to realize that we are doing this as a service to god.We should'nt demand money everytime someone askes us to play.And we as whole aren't as humble as we should be.
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You don't have to be saved to be spiritual or annointed. God puts His annointing on whomever he chooses.
However, I do believe that there aren't enough saved musicians in the church.
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im sorry sir . the bible says that gifts and callings come without repentance . To be annointed you have to be living holy.And or Striving. To be gifted,and then to be annointed are two totally diffrent things.Annointing comes with relationship.,
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im sorry sir . the bible says that gifts and callings come without repentance . To be annointed you have to be living holy.And or Striving. To be gifted,and then to be annointed are two totally diffrent things.Annointing comes with relationship.,
I disagree with that because I have been an unsaved musician and I have felt the Annointing on me while playing. It's even stronger now that I am saved, but like I said, God pours His annointing on whomever He chooses.
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you can always be touched by god . but you will not posses his annoining without living saved .You can have yo gift sound real good. but have no power.
its scriptual. The bible says that gifts and callings come without repentence.
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I disagree with that because I have been an unsaved musician and I have felt the Annointing on me while playing. It's even stronger now that I am saved, but like I said, God pours His annointing on whomever He chooses.
I agree with this.
The scripture you are using 'prince_pof' (Romans 11:29) states that God will never take your giftings from you. He is not an Indian giver. He did not make a mistake. No matter how bad we mess up, God will not just take back the giftings that you have.
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you can always be touched by god . but you will not posses his annoining without living saved .You can have yo gift sound real good. but have no power.
its scriptual. The bible says that gifts and callings come without repentence.
Another reason why i disagree with you is because it's not you or your music that's doing anything, it's God working through you. And the last I heard and read in my Bible, God can use whomever and whatever He chooses to accomplish His will. All he wants is a willing vessel.
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you can always be touched by god . but you will not posses his annoining without living saved .You can have yo gift sound real good. but have no power.
its scriptual. The bible says that gifts and callings come without repentence.
Troof!!
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Let me jump in on this 1..
I believe that we are all in the same page that every1 is spiritual (ie, spiritual beings...even the so called atheist because his spirit is searching for something to believe. ::).)
Hence I won't go there.
ANNOINTING/ ANNOINTED
Here's something you can read fi you find the time: http://www.seekgod.org/message/anointing.html
This is what I liked frm that link:
Although there is great pleasure and joy in the anointing, because it is the presence of God, we are not to seek the joy, we are to seek God, and the benefit of others, the joy is a natural result of these things. The anointing is not given for the vessel it flows through; it is given for the one it flows to.
(Psalms 16:11 NKJV) You will show me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore.
(James 4:3 NKJV) You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.
That being said, I've seen God setting apart (ie, anointing) people that every1 knew is not saved, to bring deliverance in the house of the Lord.
This happens quite often in Crusades.
A classical example in the Bible I'm thinking of right now is when that lady poured all her expensive perfume on Jesus' feet & wiped his feet with her hair...Jesus used that moment to teach a very important lesson to the "high" people he was with (as well as you & I)..
Would we not say that that lady was anointed ( that is, set apart to be used of God) then?
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im sorry i just dont think that god will use a vessel thats not saved to destroy yokes. That is what the annointing does.Just because you were touched by god that doesnt mean he annoints you.And you cant tell me a unsaved sinner came come off the street start playin organ.and says hes annointed by god.
Another reason why i disagree with you is because it's not you or your music that's doing anything, it's God working through you. And the last I heard and read in my Bible, God can use whomever and whatever He chooses to accomplish His will. All he wants is a willing vessel.
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Let me jump in on this 1..
I believe that we are all in the same page that every1 is spiritual (ie, spiritual beings...even the so called atheist because his spirit is searching for something to believe. ::).)
Hence I won't go there.
ANNOINTING/ ANNOINTED
Here's something you can read fi you find the time: [url]http://www.seekgod.org/message/anointing.html[/url]
This is what I liked frm that link:
Although there is great pleasure and joy in the anointing, because it is the presence of God, we are not to seek the joy, we are to seek God, and the benefit of others, the joy is a natural result of these things. The anointing is not given for the vessel it flows through; it is given for the one it flows to.
(Psalms 16:11 NKJV) You will show me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore.
(James 4:3 NKJV) You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.
That being said, I've seen God setting apart (ie, anointing) people that every1 knew is not saved, to bring deliverance in the house of the Lord.
This happens quite often in Crusades.
A classical example in the Bible I'm thinking of right now is when that lady poured all her expensive perfume on Jesus' feet & wiped his feet with her hair...Jesus used that moment to teach a very important lesson to the "high" people he was with (as well as you & I)..
Would we not say that that lady was anointed ( that is, set apart to be used of God) then?
This is a direct quote from your link.''God anoints people that love Him more than they love their own lives, and that love others as themselves. As we open our hearts to love others God's anointing flows through us. When we close our hearts to others and grieve the Holy Spirit the flow stops."
The bible says if you love him you will keep his commandments.Which means live saved basically,Now read the first line of the quote.
You can not be annointed if you are not living saved and/or holy!!
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And you cant tell me a unsaved sinner came come off the street start playin organ.and says hes annointed by god.
O.K., what about an unsaved sinner who's has been in church all they life playing organ or whatever? Like I said before, I was an unsaved musician for years, been in church all my life, and people were being healed, delivered, saved, and set free through the music I was playing. I still stand by my statement that God can use anything and anybody to get His will done cuz it's Him doing the work and not the person.
If you have to tell people you are annointed by God to do such and such, then you really aren't. It will show in your works.
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for you to understand where im coming from you have to know the diffrence between.gifts and annointing.and bein touched.
can you explain why the it says gifts and callings come without repentance.
why didint he put annointing.
because thers a diffrence.
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O.K., what about an unsaved sinner who's has been in church all they life playing organ or whatever? Like I said before, I was an unsaved musician for years, been in church all my life, and people were being healed, delivered, saved, and set free through the music I was playing. I still stand by my statement that God can use anything and anybody to get His will done cuz it's Him doing the work and not the person.
If you have to tell people you are annointed by God to do such and such, then you really aren't. It will show in your works.
Yes, as musicians we should be open tools for God to use us fully but it's NOT us who saved that person,it's Christ alone. I am not going to go in that debate whether a musician that is not saved is worthy enough to be annointed,etc. but I also do believe that if your HEART and RELATIONSHIP with God is growing very maturely and you know that there is an oppurtunity to be saved or for some teachings of baptismal for sins,the you are saved,etc. I will say this, I don't believe in musicians are made righteous just because they can play like nobody in their own state or country. We are saved by God's grace and we are made righteous because of HIM. I know of musicians who can play their lights out but don't have a real relationship with The Lord like they SHOULD because, folks we are ministering to people with needs and real problems. God know our hearts, so we cannot fool him.
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So, the bigger question is "Are we playing for our own self,I can play cause my dad is pastor,self-satisfaction,self-everthing you want to call it"? OR "Are we playing to truly minister to people and make a spiritual impact on them through the music-ministry"?
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I will say this, I don't believe in musicians are made righteous just because they can play like nobody in their own state or country. We are saved by God's grace and we are made righteous because of HIM. I know of musicians who can play their lights out but don't have a real relationship with The Lord like they SHOULD because, folks we are ministering to people with needs and real problems. God know our hearts, so we cannot fool him.
Oh yeah, I agree with you here. When I was an unsaved musician, I knew that if I died I was going straight to Hell. But, that doesn't mean my playing wasn't annointed by God. I never self-proclaimed to be annointed, I just know what other people (pastors, evangelists, church members, etc.) have said to me about my playing while I was unsaved.
So Mr. prince_pof, I'm speaking from experience here that God can pour His annointing on unsaved musicians as well as saved musicians cuz once again it ain't the person that's doing it, it's God working through that person. If the unsaved person dies though, he/she is gonna bust Hell wide open.
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for you to understand where im coming from you have to know the diffrence between.gifts and annointing.and bein touched.
can you explain why the it says gifts and callings come without repentance.
why didint he put annointing.
because thers a diffrence.
Am I wrong to say that by this statement you have just acknowledged that the anointing is not the fruits of the spirit per se...but rather a gift that God gives to any1 who is open to be used as a vessel & needn't be a saved person?
I get what U are saying all over, but I still agree with T-Block also.
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I would say being a Anointed musician as David required a lot
1. Anytime they sent for a minstrel, they sent for a SKILLFUL minstrel...
2. David lived a life of being secluded, he had a prayer life, a real relationship outside the temple.. Because he was a man after God's heart did not make hime perfect.. It made him sensitive and repentive. Lets just be honest. Few MUSICIANS are very honest with the sins we commit, and because we can play folk under a pew we think our playing is covering up for the mess and we gotta be careful because you may be sending a Strange Fire in the presence of God and Disturbing the atmosphere. We must seek after a relationship with God. If we want to have the effect of David. We must Die in the flesh, Allow ourselfs to become GOD's INSTRUMENT and hear what the spirit wants released in the atomosphere. To many musicians are in the place of MINSTRELS.. You can not operate with the brain or the intellect. 1 corth 12 14-18 Notice the whole body is picked apart and you never see the brain in there.. Because operating in the spirits goes beyond what we know.. David and even The master of song were trained in the spirit.. This came from them having a relationship
3.When we allow ourselve to SUBMIT the spirits this is what can happen..
1 Sam 10 5-6
Saul receives a word stating when he arrives to Gibeah.. He would meet a group of prophets playing on the instruments and that he wold began prophesying along with them..
V. 10 He gets there and meets the prophets and starts prophesying along with them...
This happen because naturally they were in place and spiritually.As cold as Saul was The Minstrel play till Saul took on The spirit of them. We have the power to cause folk to prophesy even when THE PROPHET DONT FEEL LIKE IT
2: 3:15 We always hear send me a minstrel... Why did they send for the minstrel
There is rebellion goin on and now Three kings are on the way to a handle biz. v9. They now need water for them and the animals and so they are in search. And Elisha names come up. Yea the lord speaks through him.. They need answers and Elisha in confirm a PROPHET. they reach him and now v 13.. Elisha ask them why are you coming to me. and Tells them to Go and finds those false prophets of the mothers and fathers.. He did not feel like giving them a word .. Now in v15 hes sending for a minstrel.. Somebody to shift out the carnal into the spirit... But, the minstrel was able to TAP in to Elisha spirit and minister to him and again the spirit now from the minstrel is ministering to the Prophet and because he was in place. The power came and instantly gave them a word v20 there is water fo them only... and in the morning that water appeared blood...
Have a life of prayer. Tap in to the spirit of your leader because sometimes he or she may not feel like ministering. Thats why we SET THE ATMOSPHERE in worship... and it may be a 2 chron 5:13 somedays .... only if were are in the spirit ... STAY IN CHURCH WHILE THE SERMON IS GOIN ON..little details like this helps a long way
Be Encourage
Greg
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I would say being a Anointed musician as David required a lot
1. Anytime they sent for a minstrel, they sent for a SKILLFUL minstrel...
2. David lived a life of being secluded, he had a prayer life, a real relationship outside the temple.. Because he was a man after God's heart did not make hime perfect.. It made him sensitive and repentive. Lets just be honest. Few MUSICIANS are very honest with the sins we commit, and because we can play folk under a pew we think our playing is covering up for the mess and we gotta be careful because you may be sending a Strange Fire in the presence of God and Disturbing the atmosphere. We must seek after a relationship with God. If we want to have the effect of David. We must Die in the flesh, Allow ourselfs to become GOD's INSTRUMENT and hear what the spirit wants released in the atomosphere. To many musicians are in the place of MINSTRELS.. You can not operate with the brain or the intellect. 1 corth 12 14-18 Notice the whole body is picked apart and you never see the brain in there.. Because operating in the spirits goes beyond what we know.. David and even The master of song were trained in the spirit.. This came from them having a relationship
3.When we allow ourselve to SUBMIT the spirits this is what can happen..
1 Sam 10 5-6
Saul receives a word stating when he arrives to Gibeah.. He would meet a group of prophets playing on the instruments and that he wold began prophesying along with them..
V. 10 He gets there and meets the prophets and starts prophesying along with them...
This happen because naturally they were in place and spiritually.As cold as Saul was The Minstrel play till Saul took on The spirit of them. We have the power to cause folk to prophesy even when THE PROPHET DONT FEEL LIKE IT
2: 3:15 We always hear send me a minstrel... Why did they send for the minstrel
There is rebellion goin on and now Three kings are on the way to a handle biz. v9. They now need water for them and the animals and so they are in search. And Elisha names come up. Yea the lord speaks through him.. They need answers and Elisha in confirm a PROPHET. they reach him and now v 13.. Elisha ask them why are you coming to me. and Tells them to Go and finds those false prophets of the mothers and fathers.. He did not feel like giving them a word .. Now in v15 hes sending for a minstrel.. Somebody to shift out the carnal into the spirit... But, the minstrel was able to TAP in to Elisha spirit and minister to him and again the spirit now from the minstrel is ministering to the Prophet and because he was in place. The power came and instantly gave them a word v20 there is water fo them only... and in the morning that water appeared blood...
Have a life of prayer. Tap in to the spirit of your leader because sometimes he or she may not feel like ministering. Thats why we SET THE ATMOSPHERE in worship... and it may be a 2 chron 5:13 somedays .... only if were are in the spirit ... STAY IN CHURCH WHILE THE SERMON IS GOIN ON..little details like this helps a long way
Be Encourage
Greg
I love this GJ, and just to add a little bit on this. One thing that I preach on a consistant basis is that "YOUR ANNOINTING IS ONLY SMART AS YOU ARE!!" please my Brothers and Sisters, REMEMBER THIS!!! Bishop Cole
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Here is a little response from another thread that hints at my view on the topic:
THis threaD seems to have gotten to be Anointing vs giftedness.
But here's a question----David was anointed King. This same anointed David slept with another man's wife and tried to cover up a murder by having a man killed. Was David not anointed?
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We should be so much more in tune with the spirit. And we have to realize that we are doing this as a service to god.We should'nt demand money everytime someone askes us to play.And we as whole aren't as humble as we should be.
That's why i tell my choirs that it's NOT ABOUT US. No need for arrogance here. I know a guy from LA now, who had his gift taken away from him. all the keys look the same to him for about 2 weeks he said, and he could PLAY !!! I was tearing up with him, of course he was bawling crying. He got it back and has a WHOLE DIFFERENT attitude.
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I know a guy from LA now, who had his gift taken away from him. all the keys look the same to him for about 2 weeks he said, and he could PLAY !!! I was tearing up with him, of course he was bawling crying. He got it back and has a WHOLE DIFFERENT attitude.
What happened to him? Just curious.
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What happened to him? Just curious.
he is still over there in LA playing somewhere. one of my peoples is in Detroit and told me where King was. Pcan play again, but at that time, he was going through some major stuff
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Here is a little response from another thread that hints at my view on the topic:
This is the thing, Just because we sin that doesnt make us sinners.
The bible says that man looks on the outward apperance but god looks at your heart.
When you become unsaved is when you begin to practice sin.
My definition of practicing sin would be "" sin repeately without repentance. Not getting convited after you sin. ''
If you are striving to be perfect and not sin. and you sin any way because the bible says our rightousness is as filthy rags. Thats not considered practicing sin.
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I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF MUSICIANS NOW MAKES IT A JOB INSTEAD OF PLAYING FOR THE LORD.THE MONEY HAS TO BE RIGHT THEN THEY LET LOOSE,INSTEAD OF LETTING LOOSE EACH AND EVERY TIME.THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS HAVE TO PRAY BEFORE,DURING,AND AFTER.IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE SPIRITUAL,AN ABOUT GOD.
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This is the thing, Just because we sin that doesnt make us sinners.
The bible says that man looks on the outward apperance but god looks at your heart.
When you become unsaved is when you begin to practice sin.
My definition of practicing sin would be "" sin repeately without repentance. Not getting convited after you sin. ''
If you are striving to be perfect and not sin. and you sin any way because the bible says our rightousness is as filthy rags. Thats not considered practicing sin.
Ummm....aren't we born unsaved? I believe everyone gets convicted when they sin, some just choose not to show it. Even unsaved people can do good things. I still believe God can pour His annointing on anyone. Like I said man, I speak from experience, just because you feel a person is not annointed cuz they unsaved don't mean that they aren't. That ain't for you to decide, that's up to God Himself.
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Ok guys, much debate has been going on here.
Let's just listen to this 4 a min or 2:
http://www.godsgospel.com/midis/Anointing.mid
Can U feel the anointing now ::) ;) :D
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I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF MUSICIANS NOW MAKES IT A JOB INSTEAD OF PLAYING FOR THE LORD.THE MONEY HAS TO BE RIGHT THEN THEY LET LOOSE,INSTEAD OF LETTING LOOSE EACH AND EVERY TIME.THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS HAVE TO PRAY BEFORE,DURING,AND AFTER.IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE SPIRITUAL,AN ABOUT GOD.
Let me just ask. what about when you're Music Director over the whole thing, and you are trying 2 B as spiritual as it gets? You have board members trying to get you outta there for being spiritual, the pastor doesn't like you cuz you kinda know the Bible more than him, and most choral members have different personalities while you are keeping it spiritial, they're keeping it gangster. . . and I mean we are prayed up to the 100th power. you know ? Sometimes we're trying to secure our jobs after strategizing what will work for service whether some crazy folks like it or not, the $ people don' like your selections, wardrobe, etc and carryin on. That's when some of us call it jobs.
We are sharing with the choir members, if they can't forsee themselves TRULY looking for the Lord as a WHOLE, and looking for souls 2 B saved, what are we doing up in here ?? Then we realize some are just here to try to sing, entertain, and complain... try to suggest and protest. Some places fight like that, then it's just you and God, in Whom it's about anyway...
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Let me just ask. what about when you're Music Director over the whole thing, and you are trying 2 B as spiritual as it gets? You have board members trying to get you outta there for being spiritual, the pastor doesn't like you cuz you kinda know the Bible more than him, and most choral members have different personalities while you are keeping it spiritial, they're keeping it gangster. . . and I mean we are prayed up to the 100th power. you know ? Sometimes we're trying to secure our jobs after strategizing what will work for service whether some crazy folks like it or not, the $ people don' like your selections, wardrobe, etc and carryin on. That's when some of us call it jobs.
We are sharing with the choir members, if they can't forsee themselves TRULY looking for the Lord as a WHOLE, and looking for souls 2 B saved, what are we doing up in here ?? Then we realize some are just here to try to sing, entertain, and complain... try to suggest and protest. Some places fight like that, then it's just you and God, in Whom it's about anyway...
Does not the Supreme Constitution we believe in speak of the abomination of desolation in the house of God?
I see signs of it here.
God commands that you walk out if that's the case.
There is no time to play church!
It's time for souls to be saved so that come Jesus Christ again, they are ready to go with Him, not gossiping about the ongoing differences within the leadership & musicians.
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you think I'm playing church ? man I've been thru too much already. I'll look out for God when He tells me :) Like my colleague, that's a real rap.
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That playin church stuff, is called having a form of godliness but denying the power there of. Its a spirit that is talked about in the new testament.
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That playin church stuff, is called having a form of godliness but denying the power there of. Its a spirit that is talked about in the new testament.
Know that's right.
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I am new to this, but I cant pass up this opportunity. My brother, there is a difference between being gifted and anointed. When the presence of God is moving, you cannot TOUCH or Move in him with unclean hands. SORRY, but that is bible (2 Samuel 1-7). In reading that, you will see a guy who reached helped to HELP, but he wasn't right and the spirit of the lord KILLED HIM. There are many gifts operating, especially in musicians;however, EVERYONE isn't anointed to be a musician....many are called (by men) FEW are chosen!!
With some musicians having dirty hands and trying to move when the presence of God is operating, the ministry can't be effective! now, you can be called to repentance doing your ministry, but the anointing can't operate from a sinner, if it could....THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR SALVATION!
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*ahem*
GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST, GGFZ!!!!!!!
IT'S
A-N-O-I-N-T-I-N-G ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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Are there enough Spiritual and Annointed musicians in church ? A lot of musicianns arent even saved for real. We should be playing spirits out of people. Like David. What are your thoughts.
TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!! And this is one reason why we have so many problems in the music dept because our Min of Music ain't saved, our musician's aint saved, the choir barely saved but yet all along they singing and playing salvation to the crowd or have you tried Jesus... well did you try Jesus, lol. But I agree.
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Well in my church and most apostolic churches you bet not even look at the organ until you get saved! These instruments in God's house are holy!! God wants people who are holy to use them! We are playing unto a holy God! God takes every ministry in the church seriously and if we are not willing to get ourselves together before we touch any instrument, how can we expect God to use us? God is not in that! Yes he uses who he wants to but that includes who's available to be used. God can fix you so you can play but he also looking at those who do that behind the scene work so they can be used by God! We determine the service, and if we're in sin we can hinder God from moving or moving to another level!
-Austinpowers
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People may say you are annointed. What does God say? You know the blessing is that God ,rather we are saved or unsaved, still allows grace!!!!!!!! and the true is; If not for Grace a lot of US would not be!
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People may say you are annointed. What does God say? You know the blessing is that God ,rather we are saved or unsaved, still allows grace!!!!!!!! and the true is; If not for Grace a lot of US would not be!
I feel that. haven't seen u n a minute. 'Sup Key ?
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I wanted to weigh in on this topic…by no means is it exhaustive ( but if you want more details, email me directly). I absolutely advocate that musicians, and anyone else in ministry offer themselves as a holy, and acceptable gift to our Holy God…but we know for many this is not the case….but in regards of whether not someone is “anointed” or just “gifted” I thought we could all come to better understanding if we layed out exactly what all that meant…what does it mean to be anointed? I’d imagine many of us would have different interpretations…in the OT, things, prophets, priests, and kings were all anointed..It simply means a smearing, or rubbing, and it was done typically with oil as a sign of consecration to God, or to a work or service for God….Someone mentioned Romans 11:29 (….the gifts of God are without repentance) gifts in that sense is Charisma and refers to a divine grace that empowers for service…whereas the anointing mentioned in I John 2:20-27 is Chrisma and has to do more with a smearing….I imagine that many of you have received prayer and was “anointed” with oil(extra virgin..lol)..which was symbolic of the holy spirit…so in general terms most cases in scripture where you see anoint, it has to do with oil being smeared or rubbed on something or someone to designate them for assignment or purpose, and was most often performed by a human…..However, we see another type of anointing in II Corinthians chapter 1, where the anointing comes from God himself Chrio, and it is the power that was at work in Christ, and the same power that should be at work in us as believers, and his followers…so you study the scripture, pray and ask that truth be revealed to
As I close and take my seat, (key of F sharp triple flat please) let me mention that Matt chapter 7 gives an interesting account…”many will prophesy in my name, cast out devils in my name” This sounds like many preachers, Reverend Doctors, and Apostles that are in our pulpits, and on our TV screens. They have all the appearance of being called, anointed, and appointed,….These were being used to do tremendous works… teach the truth, they were prophesying and casting out devils???...these are the ones that we celebrate as being “anointed”…yet they bust hell wide open, and Jesus considered them workers of iniquity..because they didn’t’ have proper personal relationship to Christ, they were not connected with his will….again you check the scriptures, pray , and see where the Spirit of Truth directs you…again, if you need more clarification email me as I’m willing to share both scripture, and my personal experience in this area…PEACE
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I wanted to weigh in on this topic…by no means is it exhaustive ( but if you want more details, email me directly). I absolutely advocate that musicians, and anyone else in ministry offer themselves as a holy, and acceptable gift to our Holy God…but we know for many this is not the case….but in regards of whether not someone is “anointed” or just “gifted” I thought we could all come to better understanding if we layed out exactly what all that meant…what does it mean to be anointed? I’d imagine many of us would have different interpretations…in the OT, things, prophets, priests, and kings were all anointed..It simply means a smearing, or rubbing, and it was done typically with oil as a sign of consecration to God, or to a work or service for God….Someone mentioned Romans 11:29 (….the gifts of God are without repentance) gifts in that sense is Charisma and refers to a divine grace that empowers for service…whereas the anointing mentioned in I John 2:20-27 is Chrisma and has to do more with a smearing….I imagine that many of you have received prayer and was “anointed” with oil(extra virgin..lol)..which was symbolic of the holy spirit…so in general terms most cases in scripture where you see anoint, it has to do with oil being smeared or rubbed on something or someone to designate them for assignment or purpose, and was most often performed by a human…..However, we see another type of anointing in II Corinthians chapter 1, where the anointing comes from God himself Chrio, and it is the power that was at work in Christ, and the same power that should be at work in us as believers, and his followers…so you study the scripture, pray and ask that truth be revealed to
As I close and take my seat, (key of F sharp triple flat please) dorian scale run let me mention that Matt chapter 7 gives an interesting account…(chord)”many will prophesy in my name, (chord)cast out devils in my name” (chord) This sounds like many preachers, (chord)Reverend Doctors, (chord)and Apostles that are in our pulpits, and on our TV screens.(unison run) They have all the appearance of being called, (chord)anointed, and appointed,….(chord)These were being used to do tremendous works… (chord)teach the truth, they were prophesying and casting out devils???...(chord)these are the ones (chord)that we celebrate as being “anointed”…(chord)yet they bust hell wiIIIIIIIIIIde open, and Jesus considered them workers of iniquity..(chord)because they didn’t’ have proper personal relationship to Christ, (chord)they were not connected with his will….(chord)again you check the scriptures, (chord)pray , and seEEEEEEe (chord)where the Spirit of Truth directs you…(chord)again, if you need more clarification(chord) email me as I’m willing to share both scripture,(chord) and my personal experience in this area…PEACE
SAY YEEEEAAAASSSS!(chord)
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hehehehe..
Adding life to the sermon :D
Now that's annointed ;D
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I was intrigued by this thread and decided to write even though the last post was awhile ago. To simply answer the question asked, NO there are not enough annointed musicians playing in church today! The reason for this situation falls both on musicians and the churches who hire them! I would hate to lose a church gig to a cat solely on playing level, but it happens! There are however some churches that make no room for compromise and an 'unsaved' person, even a non tither will not be employed there. There is a phrase I'm going to let the LGM family borrow and its this: its all for nought until God puts His super on your natural! The anointing comes from God, and He takes it from there. Think like this, annointed=chosen...are you chosen to play keys in the first place?
Now once we honestly get past that question then we can deal with all the rest. David said to us(Ps.33:3) to play skillfully, Paul told Timothy to study(II Tim. 2:15) and to stir up the gift...(II Tim. 1:6) so to be effective in our area of ministry that we are certain that we are "chosen" for, we must then be skillful. Don't get up on the instrument and say "alright God its all you" in place of taking/making time to grow. We are to fully commit our gifts to him meaning cover(pray over) even our practice time so that He can add the proper increase for His glory!
"The gifts and callings of the Lord are without repentance" means that it is on your life and God will not take it back(under any circumstances) but hold you accountable according to that when you are judged! Are you annointed for a task such as playing? If so do the work at and away from the instrument and watch God move out of your faithfulness!
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Well said Freddy! I truly bless God for your words. Continue to stay in that uncompromising mindset. I admit I have been on a journey that tries to deter me from staying in my mode of worship to God. But I claim it everyday so that God's favor can rest upon my playing. Stay blessed.
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I agree with you. Whenever I sit down at the organ, I ask God to use me and that I may bless someone.
bingo!!!! Especially since I'm COGIC... Professor Iris Stevenson (International MOM of COGIC) set guidelines for us musicians to follow...
even then, i've had alot of older musicians that were saved, sanctified and filled with the holy ghost tell me " If you want God to elevate you and bless you to play, U give credit to him, and U ask him to anoint U to play FOR HIM (not just for money!!)
Also It's important to try to stay away from singing and listeneing to all these worldy songs... although sumtimes we play around...lol
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bingo!!!! Especially since I'm COGIC... Professor Iris Stevenson (International MOM of COGIC) set guidelines for us musicians to follow...
even then, i've had alot of older musicians that were saved, sanctified and filled with the holy ghost tell me " If you want God to elevate you and bless you to play, U give credit to him, and U ask him to anoint U to play FOR HIM (not just for money!!)
Also It's important to try to stay away from singing and listeneing to all these worldy songs... although sumtimes we play around...lol
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oh lawd... you just open up a big can of "its on now" sooooo many musicians do not like to hear this type of stuff...(I will be shocked if no one responds to your statement)
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Well, everybody ain't gon always agree 100%, and that's ok.
But, i distinctly remember having a chest cold one time, (and know this from personal experience)...i was handed a gift of an ointment, and all i know is before long, i was HEALED! 8)
I think it was Vicks VapoRub, if i'm not mistaken.
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bingo!!!! Especially since I'm COGIC... Professor Iris Stevenson (International MOM of COGIC) set guidelines for us musicians to follow...
even then, i've had alot of older musicians that were saved, sanctified and filled with the holy ghost tell me " If you want God to elevate you and bless you to play, U give credit to him, and U ask him to anoint U to play FOR HIM (not just for money!!)
Also It's important to try to stay away from singing and listeneing to all these worldy songs... although sumtimes we play around...lol
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oh lawd... you just open up a big can of "its on now" sooooo many musicians do not like to hear this type of stuff...(I will be shocked if no one responds to your statement)
*walks in listening to Carl Thomas*
I ain't fittin to change fa no one
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Are there enough Spiritual and Annointed musicians in church ? A lot of musicianns arent even saved for real. We should be playing spirits out of people. Like David. What are your thoughts.
IMO, if you're not saved you should NOT be in the music ministry! Idc how well that person can play if they haven't accepted Christ as their personal Lord and Savior then they can not be in the ministry at any aspect! I believe the playing spirits our of people thing comes with maturity. Also, if you're one of those musicians whose mind tends to wander while playing then even if you are mature/mature-ish I don't think you'd be able to cast out anything from anybody cause you're focus is not on God. But I don't really know much about casting anyway. I know for a fact that I'm not there yet. I think I'd be scared to see that happen right now. However if God ever told me that he wanted me to do that I'd be for it scared or not. I heard about David playing spirits out of people but I have not read the verses (nor do I know where they are). Was he just playing one day and the spirit(s) just came out? Was he playing specificly for/at a person so a spirit could come out?
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See that's what I'm talking about, playing o minister. That's why I am always hate to see all of the bashing going on about other musicians playing with or with out transpose. Now, I do agree that you should learn your craft but for people like myself, I had to learn how to play on my own because our organist and keyboard players went to another church that paid them to play. ( I don't see anything wrong with that) So for the service to go on I had to learn on my own picking up chords here and there from people. Although our praise team has to sing in my keys because I am limited, the Lord has blessed me in playing and our services are off the chain. I love LGM and everyone that makes it happen. The chords have really bless my playing and our services. And God gets the glory from every note, pointer, and encouraging word that is giving on this site. That why all of you are so blessed.
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*walks in listening to Carl Thomas*
I ain't fittin to change fa no one
HAHAHA u a trip bruhtha... lol
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Also It's important to try to stay away from singing and listeneing to all these worldy songs... although sumtimes we play around...lol
I would say do more than try. Its important that GOD have a clean vessel to use. As the Bible say cursing and blessing can not come out of the same mouth neither can the anointing work when theres mess in the vessel. I made a choice a long time ago to live for GOD and GOD only and have seen such a difference. The thing is people think they are missing something by not "keeping" up with the latest. Please. Id rather know what GOD is speaking in the earth today than the latest from Keisha Cole and TI.
THATS JUST ME THOUGH! ;D
See that's what I'm talking about, playing o minister. That's why I am always hate to see all of the bashing going on about other musicians playing with or with out transpose. Now, I do agree that you should learn your craft but for people like myself, I had to learn how to play on my own because our organist and keyboard players went to another church that paid them to play. ( I don't see anything wrong with that) So for the service to go on I had to learn on my own picking up chords here and there from people. Although our praise team has to sing in my keys because I am limited, the Lord has blessed me in playing and our services are off the chain. I love LGM and everyone that makes it happen. The chords have really bless my playing and our services. And God gets the glory from every note, pointer, and encouraging word that is giving on this site. That why all of you are so blessed.
I did this for a while too. And you know what GOD blesses a willing heart and after while you will be able to play with the best of the best. Simply because you were dedicated to the Kingdom. I know money is a great reward and helps out in the natural but the rewards Ive gained spiritual top all of that and then some.
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I would say do more than try. Its important that GOD have a clean vessel to use. As the Bible say cursing and blessing can not come out of the same mouth neither can the anointing work when theres mess in the vessel. I made a choice a long time ago to live for GOD and GOD only and have seen such a difference. The thing is people think they are missing something by not "keeping" up with the latest. Please. Id rather know what GOD is speaking in the earth today than the latest from Keisha Cole and TI.
THATS JUST ME THOUGH! ;D
TRUE TRUE....
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I've been unsaved for the longest. Jus because you're unsaved DOESN't mean that GOD's not gonna use you to play for him. He'll just His anointing for that and obviously you gotta gift to play. BUT I had a good friend tell me, that If you dedicate yourself to him, you'll be great. And If I were filled with the holyghost and cleansed, and possesed GOD's power within my own self, than I'll become even greater. And now I strive for that and to become the BEST I can be
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TRUE TRUE....
Also...
I've been unsaved for the longest. Jus because you're unsaved DOESN't mean that GOD's not gonna use you to play for him. He'll just His anointing for that and obviously you gotta gift to play. BUT I had a good friend tell me, that If you dedicate yourself to him, you'll be great. And If I were filled with the holyghost and cleansed, and possesed GOD's power within my own self, than I'll become even greater. And now I strive for that and to become the BEST I can be
Like this brutha, Ricky Draper, man I know he's been doing something...I try to follow him and David Jackson (Gospel CHops) all the time, THEY ARE MY INSPIRATION...
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