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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Guitar => Topic started by: lilBB on February 22, 2008, 01:44:55 PM
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I know there are pro's and cons to both...but are there serious differences that should be considered?
it seems like every "producer" or "engineer" or whoever's recording equipment it is, always wants the guitar player to go direct into the board.
the recordings come out OK, but I don't know if im losing something by not mic'ing my amp, and i instinctively want to mic my amp, just can't ever give a clear reason why.
(forgive me if we've talked about this before. let me know if we have and i'll find it.)
Thanks All
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I know there are pro's and cons to both...but are there serious differences that should be considered?
it seems like every "producer" or "engineer" or whoever's recording equipment it is, always wants the guitar player to go direct into the board.
the recordings come out OK, but I don't know if im losing something by not mic'ing my amp, and i instinctively want to mic my amp, just can't ever give a clear reason why.
(forgive me if we've talked about this before. let me know if we have and i'll find it.)
Thanks All
Most likely, unless you are recording a song with emphasis on guitars, most producers probably would prefer to record the guitar direct to the board because they just want to add a little guitar flavor to the track. Besides, once you go about your merry way, there's no telling what those sinister minded producers might do with your part. It could end up sitting so low in the mix that it probably wouldn't matter if you played it on a custom made PRS or an ultra-cheap Squier Strat.
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Most likely, unless you are recording a song with emphasis on guitars, most producers probably would prefer to record the guitar direct to the board because they just want to add a little guitar flavor to the track. Besides, once you go about your merry way, there's no telling what those sinister minded producers might do with your part. It could end up sitting so low in the mix that it probably wouldn't matter if you played it on a custom made PRS or an ultra-cheap Squier Strat.
LOL. true! it's happened before where i recorded some basic clean guitar parts...and when i came back later to hear the song...the guitar was "distorted" and sounded terrible...like a kazoo or somethin, lol. it wasnt a big project or nothin so i let him have his fun...but told him not to give me any credit for guitar on the song, lol.
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Most likely, unless you are recording a song with emphasis on guitars, most producers probably would prefer to record the guitar direct to the board because they just want to add a little guitar flavor to the track. Besides, once you go about your merry way, there's no telling what those sinister minded producers might do with your part. It could end up sitting so low in the mix that it probably wouldn't matter if you played it on a custom made PRS or an ultra-cheap Squier Strat.
You are so very right, about producers/engineers. They ultimately have the final say on what you sound like, unless it's your project, and you are there during mixdown. That being said, if you have enough room, to really push air, and baffles, miking a live amp is truly a lot of fun. Direct recordings, are most common, especially in this age of DAWs. You have to really trust the board minder when going direct. This is where good "people" skills come into play ;D
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Agreed (from what I hear) about the producers.
Personally, I prefer mic'd (even live--occasionally I've used a Behringer 4x12 emulator, which is ok, but I like to hear out of the pa--or on the tape--what I hear out of my amp).
I've heard a lot of people will record both, simultaneously, and then mix them as needed in the song.
Like you said, they both have their goods and bads.
*begin opinions*
DI - clear, punchy, but sterile
Mic - warm, "authentic", but can be noisier and or/rumblier (which can be solved with a low cut...).
*opinions over*
You going into the studio soon, BB?
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I know there are pro's and cons to both...but are there serious differences that should be considered?
it seems like every "producer" or "engineer" or whoever's recording equipment it is, always wants the guitar player to go direct into the board.
the recordings come out OK, but I don't know if im losing something by not mic'ing my amp, and i instinctively want to mic my amp, just can't ever give a clear reason why.
(forgive me if we've talked about this before. let me know if we have and i'll find it.)
Thanks All
In my experience, most studio recording situations I've done have been done using an amp and a mic and not a direct device.
I use my POD here at home for demos and such and I might use it in the studio if needed but I'd much rather have a speaker moving air rather than a simulation of that event.
It just sounds...better...just like how tubes sound better. ;D
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It just sounds...better...just like how tubes sound better. ;D
I'm glad I'm not the only one that throws out the tube card lol...
I was restraining above ;)
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HI, I own a recording studio, the truth is this, you sometimes need the best of both worlds.
Lets face it you can't compete with music today if you don't understand sound equipment.
First the Acoustic guitar.....to record acoustic guitar and get the real acoustic sound.....here's how it is done.
you should have a great acoustic guitar such as an electric acoustic like, Ovation, Taylor or Martin. If not borrow one or rent one to do your recordings.
1.) direct inject straight your guitar into a digital recording unit and make your eq adjustments on the digital screen.
2.)Next run a mic in front of your guitar and try and find that sweet spot that sounds the best.
I feel best sweet spot is just infront of the guitar hole....and the reason why is because you want to pick up the sweeping sound of the guitar pick & your fingers on the strings.
You see when you direct inject you get a fuller richer guitar sound, but you don't get much of the pick across the string sound. You want that also so you must use a mic.
Whatever you do don't direct inject into a sound board.
Only direct inject right into the digital Multi-track.
The Digital Multitrack I use is a Tascam, my sound board is a Peavey professional sound consel mixing board.
Some people think that hey I have a pro sound board so I better use it......well lets face facts to shortest route to recording is the best sound. When I direct inject I use no reverb on the guitar.
Yet....when I record with with the mic, I do use a slight amount of reverb.
and I record both direct and mic at the same time.
Also if you want to get a cool stero sound on acoustic Rhythm guitar, try recording a left rhythm track, once your done ...then record a right rythme track , and set the tracks at about 80% to the left off center and 80% to the right off center. Then record your lead at 30 % left of center and 30% right off center, but record the lead on 2 tracks at once. And you need the lead on 2 tracks because you'll need more power as you add more instruments and you'll need the lead to stand out.
AS far as recording an electric guitar, go ahead and mic the amp all you want......... but I have to tell you the truth..... if I direct inject my electric guitar into a Digitech RP 350 I'll have a better sound than any amp or sound board can give you.....I plug my electric into the RP 350 and plug the RP 350 right into a digital Tascam Multitrack unit.
Doing this makes it sounds of very high professional quality and can't be beat even in a Hollywood studio.
I own 2 - 365 watt tube amps & the best amps fender makes and use them for concerts........but remember this, doing a concert is one thing, the art of recording is another. I also have a new fender jazz amp in tweed that is a 50 watt tube amp and it's my favorite,the sound is awesome.....you know those fender yellow tweed amps.The 50 watt amp as beautiful tone that can't be beat, It weighs about 75 pounds and is only about 2 feet wide and 2 feet high, and has only 1 speaker....but it's awesome, I also have a 365 watt fender amp twin speaker and it's huge....but The yellow jazz amp is my favorite.
Anyways back to recording
If your using a pro mixer you also need to have years of experiance on eq units,digital reverb and multi effects sound processors,You need to know when to use a compressor-limiter-nosie gates and when not to use them.
Many people go over board on to much effects, it's like candy, too much candy will make you sick.So learn how much to use, take notes if you have too. And study.
Truth is there's a million ways to record a guitar, find what you love best and do that.
If in your heart you want to record the amp......then record the amp, but if I were you I'd do some experimenting first and get the sound you want and listen back to a few sound checks you do over say a 30 day period.
The reason why 30 days..................because a true fact is your ears become tired when you over work on sound.
Doctors say that the first 30 seconds is the best time to make adjustments on sound equipment.
Then rest your ears for a minute and make another adjustment for 30 seconds............I learned that trick 20 years ago.
And I have one of the best ears around.
Try it some time.
Hope this helps.
Thanks
Jordan Rivers
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You see when you direct inject you get a fuller richer guitar sound, but you don't get much of the pick across the string sound. You want that also so you must use a mic.
AS far as recording an electric guitar, go ahead and mic the amp all you want......... but I have to tell you the truth..... if I direct inject my electric guitar into a Digitech RP 350 I'll have a better sound than any amp or sound board can give you.....I plug my electric into the RP 350 and plug the RP 350 right into a digital Tascam Multitrack unit.
Doing this makes it sounds of very high professional quality and can't be beat even in a Hollywood studio.
I'm sorry, but I call shenanigans on both those statements. I have yet to hear an onboard acoustic preamp/pickup that sounds "full an rich." (Taylor and Ovation included)
Piezos are inherently brittle and twangy, and I feel they pick up too much percussive overtones.
I also can't get a good, clean sound from micing the soundhole--the soundhole is a bass port, in essence, and unless you're micing it slightly off-axis of that, you'll get a lot of boomy lows. I get the best results placing a good condenser about a foot above the saddle, and a foot away from you, aimed slightly downward toward the saddle, and tilted slightly toward the soundhole. This gives you a balanced tone, and a bit of room tone (if you like room tone--also, this is highly dependent on the guitar). Think about it... this is basically where your ears are positioned, and will give you a capture that sounds like what you actually hear when you play.
And a Digi RP 350? Really? I'm not trying to seem condescending or argumentative, but... really?
I just can't see anything Digi makes as beating out Hollywood studio quality (apologies to anyone here that is a user). I owned a smaller RP, and it was noisy, sterile, and the adapter kept dying on it. Actually, a few of your big time artists are doing the opposite, and moving to something like a POD live (for ease of consistent tone), but refusing to replace the amps in the studio.
Like Dave mentioned, we're talking about moving air here, and you can't emulate physically moving air... that is, after all, what makes sound.
Doing this makes it sounds of very high professional quality and can't be beat even in a Hollywood studio.
I own 2 - 365 watt tube amps & the best amps fender makes and use them for concerts........but remember this, doing a concert is one thing, the art of recording is another.
What type of amps we talking about here? I wouldn't try to record with that high-powered of an amp, either lol. I'd actually love to get my hands on that Carvin 8w/16w triode/pentode deal. Vintage 16, I believe.
Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk, some of that just sounded lie the exact opposite of everything I've encountered. Your mileage may vary, however. :)
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a 365 watt amp...interesting....
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Hi Jay, sorry but I have to respond to what you're saying because you're way off base.
I have been in music for many years and I am also a professional sound engineer.And professional Guitarist and singer.
If you have the knowelge I do you can get great pro quality from sound gear.But you need to understand how to use it.
1.) The RP 300 and the RP 350 has digital perfect sound, there's no noise and no hiss ever.So Jay when you say there's hiss, you are miss leading people here.
The sound of the RP 350 is so warm and clean, never steril.
If you're getting noise in your set up,you most likely don't understand much about sound equipment and the problems that can arise, only cheap guitars and amps and broken cables,and bad grounding,cause noise not an RP 350.Also a lack of understanding eq's cause hiss and noise.
I have recorded many CD's and performed in concert for years. I stand on what I said about the RP350 from Digitech.
Here's why reason why.
My studio equipment cost well above $55,000 maybe 60,000 just for my gear.
The average person on this forum can not afford the equipment I own. It would break their bank accounts and cause trouble in married families to spend that kind of cash.
Yet if some one has a dream out there, and still wants to take a shot at the big time and release a CD, yet only had a limited amount of money......then I'd tell them to buy a digital multitrack and a RP350.
You see if you understand how to program the RP350 and not just use the presets I believe it's possible to release a pro CD.And a CD that sound as good or better than any pro CD on the market. It's only a lack of knowlege and skill on your part Jay for you to say the RP350 is a joke? or what was the word you used shanigan? or how ever you spell it.
The sound from the RP 350 is very full and rich perfectly defind and can be adjusted as good as Eric Claptons sound or George Benson, or Zack Wylde or who ever you listen too.....myself I follow the Lord so I don't listen to them much......
But Jay.....If your using an old cheap RP unit that cost 60.00 to 145.00 bucks then maybe you got what you paid for a cheap unit, maybe your not happy. And Maybe you should look into something better.
The RP 300's and 350's are awesome, there's no need to move up to something better. Anyone would love it.
I do know that Digitech in years gone by wasn't known for great processors.They have been around for many years in fact I purchased my first digital delay from them 26 years ago.Then I moved up to a Peavey Ultra Verb 2 which cost me 800.00.....and that was a great investment. I just wish Peavey would have kept making world class processors........I still use my Ultraverb 2. And it's in my studio today along with tons of other equipment.
But I have to say with the RP 300 I was very happy and surprised that a unit that cheap would be just that good.
I myself play guitar on a world class level.
I have some of the best equipment around. And one day I may put some pictures of my studio on my web site.I have the pictures already taken for my new video we are working on.So maybe I'll post them up.
Just so you know I am not a fake and not pulling anyones leg here......even though Jay thinks I am....
And yet with all the equipment I have, I always take the RP350 and RP300 to do my concerts with.
And it's become a work horse in my studio and never lets me down.
I just do not think I can find a better sounding processor for electric guitar anywhere.
The reason why I am telling people about the RP350 is it has nearly every sound effect known to man on it.
And I have never heard a guitar sound better comming out of an amp than my own guitar.
Infact my adjustments sound better than Claptons guitar and it seems everyone still wants his sound.
Like I said I know sound engineering, and I get the sounds I want, I do not dream about it, I know what I am talking about here.I know how to get those perfect guitar tones in just a matter of minutes opn any sound board of mixer.
You see Jay the sound is in my head not in the board. I heard the sound and I know what to do.
All I can say is this.........
If someone out there is dreaming of becomming a professional guitarist and singer, then do it, there are ways around the huge money problems of having to record a CD or DVD.
Anyways my new CD will be selling world wide later this year on that CD will be 4 songs recorded on the older RP300 I have, and I dare anyone to hear any hiss on my CD, My CD is warm and full of life.
It can be done people it's not impossible.
Infact it's very possible.....the RP350 is the cleanest sound you're going to find.....for any style and sound effects you need...you can run up to 8 effects at once on the older RP unit and the new one........I'd have to go back and count........but it's unreal....what can be done.
If you don't believe me...demo one at the guitar center.
You will not find a better unit for the money..........and if you did, it would cost 1000's more.
The truth is this.....Most people can't get the sound they want because they do not understand how Eq works and relates to reverb and digital delay.
Almost every effect known to man comes from digital delay,we just process the delay to make different effects.
such as reverb and choursing ,flange echo tap delays and ect.....and....every time you add another effect you have to go back and re-adjust your eq's,otherwise things can get very muddy.
It's my feeling that untill a person understands equalizers and has used them for at least 5 years, then they have no real understanding of sound. In a pro studio every instrument must be eq different and I'm not talking about the eq on the board but a 15 or 31 band eq for every voice and every instrument on routed on every channel of a mixing consol.
Anyways.... what the RP 350 gives someone on a limited buget is this, it has every studio effect with equalizers and sweep-able mid range from 500 to 3000.
There's so many possiblities to program on an RP350 that it would take years for the average person to master it totally.
Like I said I know a lot about sound and have recorded many others and have run sound systems for over 2000 singers in concerts over the years and a few of them world class singers and musicains
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You see....... don't believe in just being this big time guitar guy who serves the Lord only with my guitar, but there's a reason why we serve the Lord with our music and that's the help others through Jesus.
So please don't think I am comming down hard on you Jay.
But my guitar takes me places, I have helped feed the hungry,I never take money for my concerts ever,I have taught the poor to play music,I have pack truck loads of food,only to show up at night and do a concert when I was dead tired.......and yes I run sound systems for other people when they need help.
So understand what I am saying, with the best intentions here and I am telling people how to get the job done here quick and fast and be sounding like a pro. I know I can go anywhere with just my amp an acoustic or electric guitar and a RP300 and blow almost any guitar player in the country off the map............geeee I can stand alone on an acoustic guitar all night.....without a band....or I can play with a band.
I am ranked very high in some circles on guitar.
That's not bragging, that's pure fact,and If I can do it...........so can others who read this.
I want people out there to use their talent, and enjoy it.
Next as for the acoustic guitar, I'd say if your guitar is booming and your 1 foot away then you really need to study how to eq instruments, I could but a condensor mic 2 inches from a guitar hole and not get it boomy.
I'd say your very young and have a lot to learn.
The average distance from a Mic is 6 inches up to a foot away.
BUt remember this, in the old days we use to put those mics inside the guitars. This was many years ago, but we learned control.....we experimented and we learned how to do it right.
If you mic the guitar from behind the hole, you will not get the sounds of your fingers on the frets.
A lot of people who have fret buzzes and squeeky strings may do this, but great guitar players hardly ever buzz a fret or squeek a string. It's all about style and techinque. And a Boomy guitar is a lack of understanding sound.
But hey don't take my word for it......talk to a sound tech, see what they they.
What I learned was this,nothing is impossible. and if you want to be the best, you have to be better than the best.
You have to learn to take chances in your recording and experiment.....this is what Clapton did,this is what Hendrix did...this is what Les Paul did. Need I say more.
Dream the dream the Lord gave you, and you can do anything.
C ya Jordan Rivers
http://jordanriversguitarforum.blogspot.com/
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. P.S. I know some people are going to think I am bragging here......but Jay really is talking out his ear and I had to respond to that. Because his statment are far from the truth as it can get.
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. P.S. I know some people are going to think I am bragging here...
No, not at all. You have opinions just like everyone else.
The difference is that you use more words than the average urban telephone book to express those opinions and, like others, your opinions are not to be confused with fact. :)
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Hi Jay, sorry but I have to respond to what you're saying because you're way off base.
I have been in music for many years and I am also a professional sound engineer.And professional Guitarist and singer.
If you have the knowelge I do you can get great pro quality from sound gear.But you need to understand how to use it.
I myself play guitar on a world class level.
I have some of the best equipment around. And one day I may put some pictures of my studio on my web site.I have the pictures already taken for my new video we are working on.So maybe I'll post them up.
Just so you know I am not a fake and not pulling anyones leg here......even though Jay thinks I am....
So understand what I am saying, with the best intentions here and I am telling people how to get the job done here quick and fast and be sounding like a pro. I know I can go anywhere with just my amp an acoustic or electric guitar and a RP300 and blow almost any guitar player in the country off the map............geeee I can stand alone on an acoustic guitar all night.....without a band....or I can play with a band.
I am ranked very high in some circles on guitar.
That's not bragging, that's pure fact,and If I can do it...........so can others who read this.
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. P.S. I know some people are going to think I am bragging here......but Jay really is talking out his ear and I had to respond to that. Because his statment are far from the truth as it can get.
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I'm sorry....but I have to cry foul here. You say you aren't bragging....but your whole post (almost all of your posts) are filled with arrogance and a condescending tone. You state your opinions as unquestionable facts. IF someone does question you immediately begin to talk about how amazing and knowledgeable you are and how they are clueless. On your blog you have yourself listen in polls above almost every influential guitar player in the history of guitar playing.
You have a right to state your opinion....but to state yours as the only one worthy of consideration while reducing any opinion that conflicts yours as ignorant and uninformed just won't fly.
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a 365 watt amp...interesting....
That's got to be a typo...although high powered amps are common for bass. But then again, Fender's Metal Head 500 (http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2282000000) is rated at 550 watts...and solid state too.
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YEA; I have a Crate 15" practice amp,anyone like to try that??How in the world, did PRINCE GET LEFT OFF THAT LIST.Keith Richards made the LIST.Man give me a BREAK :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o The amp is great,you can only hear it hiss,when you turn it on. ;D ;D
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I am neither young, nor ignorant. I know what I like. I don't like digital.
I don't claim to know everything, but my father is a sound engineer, and if I have questions, it's a phone call away.
If I'd prefer to mic my guitar so I don't have to EQ the dickens out of it to get back to how it's supposed to sound, then that's my prerogative.
I wasn't trying to berate you, I've just never been impressed with anything Digitech I've encountered--even the big, honkin' GNX hyped-up thing they've got out. Yes, the RP I used to have was a lower, cheap-o model (it was a gift, BTW, I would have never bought a digital processor, personally).
I ended my post with a "your mileage may vary," didn't I?
You're mileage varied... chill out a bit. Goodness...
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YEA; I have a Crate 15" practice amp,anyone like to try that??How in the world, did PRINCE GET LEFT OFF THAT LIST.Keith Richards made the LIST.Man give me a BREAK :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o The amp is great,you can only hear it hiss,when you turn it on. ;D ;D
toooooooo funnnnnny!!!!!
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AS far as rankings go...head on over to topix.com and vote for your favorite guitar hero, also I am sorry I am leading the polls there...........but that's life.
But you can make a difference right now..............please go vote for your guitar hero's.
I learned about that voting about 30 days ago, I guess it's been going on for months now.
I really don't care much about rankings. But some people seem to.
But I won't back away from it either. I have more backbone than that.
And as for Digitech RP 350 have any of you really tried it out, or are you just blowing smoke.
Because I smell a smoke screen here.
In the past digitech didn't make great effect processors and I admit that....100%, but times have changed.
Back in the early 1970's nobody wanted a Honda car .............then suddenly Honda got better over a 10 year period.....and now tons people own them now and have for years.
Yet years ago Honda's were broken down junky cars even when they were new, they just didn't last.........but no longer are they junk. Millions own them. So take a lesson from that.
Companies do grow and get better.And as they grow research is increased and products become better.
Digitech is one such company.So do yourselves a favor...and check them out.
Any how....you don't have believe me if you choose not to ......
Yet I know someone out there will hear my voice......and take this to heart and find an RP350 and they'll love it.
So posting here is not a total waste.
Next.....maybe It's better....that I leave this forum so not to cause trouble for your little online guitar club..........when I first came here I really loved the forum,I think it's an awesome place to talk, but Jay trying to Flame me, and other's telling me what I know is wrong....well..I realize this is just a guitar club .....and they want to be in charge of it all......with thier opinions.
And I am not going to start a guitar war online in the name of the Lord, because that's uncalled for and a total waste of the Lords time.
Also If I am in your town or city playing....look me up....I love to meet people.
So don't stay mad at me....you all take care now....
C ya
Jordan Rivers or visit me at http://jordanriversguitarforum.blogspot.com/
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AS far as rankings go...head on over to topix.com and vote for your favorite guitar hero, also I am sorry I am leading the polls there...........but that's life.
But you can make a difference right now..............please go vote for your guitar hero's.
I learned about that voting about 30 days ago, I guess it's been going on for months now.
I really don't care much about rankings. But some people seem to.
But I won't back away from it either. I have more backbone than that.
And as for Digitech RP 350 have any of you really tried it out, or are you just blowing smoke.
Because I smell a smoke screen here.
In the past digitech didn't make great effect processors and I admit that....100%, but times have changed.
Back in the early 1970's nobody wanted a Honda car .............then suddenly Honda got better over a 10 year period.....and now tons people own them now and have for years.
Yet years ago Honda's were broken down junky cars even when they were new, they just didn't last.........but no longer are they junk. Millions own them. So take a lesson from that.
Companies do grow and get better.And as they grow research is increased and products become better.
Digitech is one such company.So do yourselves a favor...and check them out.
Any how....you don't have believe me if you choose not to ......
Yet I know someone out there will hear my voice......and take this to heart and find an RP350 and they'll love it.
So posting here is not a total waste.
Next.....maybe It's better....that I leave this forum so not to cause trouble for your little online guitar club..........when I first came here I really loved the forum,I think it's an awesome place to talk, but Jay trying to Flame me, and other's telling me what I know is wrong....well..I realize this is just a guitar club .....and they want to be in charge of it all......with thier opinions.
And I am not going to start a guitar war online in the name of the Lord, because that's uncalled for and a total waste of the Lords time.
Also If I am in your town or city playing....look me up....I love to meet people.
So don't stay mad at me....you all take care now....
C ya
Jordan Rivers or visit me at [url]http://jordanriversguitarforum.blogspot.com/[/url]
it's interesting to me that you are only able to see wrong in others and take zero accountability for your own words/attitudes.
no one is flaming you. no one is attacking you. you have just been called to the carpet on the tone of your replies and on your insistence at being the only one whose information or opinion is correct.
this isn't about a club or about anyone having any sort of power.....we just strive to treat one another as equals and to value one another's opinions....whether we agree with them or not.
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....and to be judged NOT by the color of our skin..but the content of our character!
...wait a minute...im sorry, got swept up in the moment..
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Jordan, man, like I said, calm down a bit.
I wasn't trying to flame you, and everyone's opinions here are welcomed.
What's off-color is jumping red when someone disagrees with you.
You found something you like, you've told us about your undying affection for it, now let it go. If someone wants to hop down to the GC and buy one, they will. And, if they don't... not your problem.
I think the reason some people started questioning things were because you post these extraneously long posts, which state your opinions as the gospel, and it comes off a bit spammy and troll-ish (constantly trying to get us to go check out this product, or that website, or "go here to vote.")
You have that right, but it's a bit overbearing.
All I did was ask you a couple of questions, then state what I found that worked for me--and, again, I topped it off with "YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY (and a smiley face...)." That means that it won't work for everyone, but I found it to be good for me.
You retorted with insults, coming to the conclusion that I must be "very young," and I have a lot to learn.
I'm 27, and while that might not be seasoned, I've seen far more in this life than I've wanted to. I've played music semi-professionally from the time I was 18-24, and continued from that point in churches.
Does that make me special? No. It doesn't. Does that make my opinion worth more than someone on here that just picked up the instrument? Nope.
If you want to hang around, then hang around, but RELAX.
Oh, and you never did say what type of amp that was...
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A friend of mine called me and said hey didn't you leave the guitar forum at, LearnGospelMusic.com.
I said yes I did.
Well you better go back and read what someone posted behind your back.
Ok.........so I see this statment ...saying I was..(called to the carpet on the tone of your replies)
That's like saying I was pinned to the mat and counted out.
Geeeeeeeee you guys are full of yourselves really , what church do you go to?
Nobody pinned me to the carpet..........get real and grow a brain.None of you could do that.
That's fact.......you want facts do your some research and back up your claims.
I left here yesterday....only because this is was your home online first so I didn't want to bother you, and I realized no one really wanted me here...So that's ok, I understand that point, I am not going to make a war on Gods Forums about guitar.
The reason why........it just isn't worth it.......Do you really think that's what he wants.I guess someof you haven't figured that out yet.
I gave you guys some real good info that could help you , that's all.
If you choose to think me as a joke of life....so be it.
As for facts, you better do some studying, the music world has changed in the digital area,and will continue to do so......and things get better.Even Digitech.
You guys are playing old school here. Yet I am older than you and I have made the change,because I do my research,and I understand the equipment is changing on a daily basis.I keep up with it.
The truth is you don't need a ton of peddles lined up in a row to get your sounds.........that's old school what the old guitar hero's use to do.
Well many of them are changing and moving on, because there's a better way now.
If you refuse to learn that point,then you'll never move on and grow in music.
Anyways.......no one pinned me to the floor.........no one here could and they know it.
As for me I will leave you to this forum...........maybe you can grow a brian,and realize there's more truths out there than you ever thought.
Peace to you
Jordan Rivers
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Jordan, your back-handed and offensive remarks speak volumes about your character.
I'll be praying that you learn to exercise your fingers, words and ego less and learn to live by the fruit of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (i.e., humility).
You'd be welcome here and probably anywhere if you did.
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Jordan, your back-handed and offensive remarks speak volumes about your character.
I'll be praying that you learn to exercise your fingers, words and ego less and learn to live by the fruit of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (i.e., humility).
You'd be welcome here and probably anywhere if you did.
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Man, I don't understand where you're coming from, Jordan. Why are you wound so tight? No one's talking behind your back, they are replying to you. If you left, how are you posting?
You jump to a lot of conclusions. No one said anything about old school, no one said anything about stringing pedals together (besides the space they take up, what's the difference between 6 pedals I'll actually use and 374 digital models that I won't?).
We were talking opinions and preferences here.
Stick around and chat, but lower you guard, man. No one's trying to attack you.
Conversation goes two ways.
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Wow...we go from being a ghost town to now having requests for brain growth. The guitar forum just can't win for trying.
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Wow...we go from being a ghost town to now having requests for brain growth. The guitar forum just can't win for trying.
We shall overcome... ;D
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I thought this kind of drama only happend in the drum forum...lol :D
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I thought this kind of drama only happend in the drum forum...lol :D
Oh, you guys get your fair share of world class musicians visiting you there, too?
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Quote from: b_jizzle20 on Today at 05:32:30 PM
I thought this kind of drama only happend in the drum forum...lol
Oh, you guys get your fair share of world class musicians visiting you there, too?
Wait a minute: are drummers even ACTUAL musicians to begin with? :D
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...its my fault. i shall never post again. :D
Quote from: b_jizzle20 on Today at 05:32:30 PM
Wait a minute: are drummers even ACTUAL musicians to begin with? :D
uh oh... u don't want to bring "them" here, lol. they live for this stuff. we will have 19 pages of comments.
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Wait a minute: are drummers even ACTUAL musicians to begin with? :D
I dont understand your question, ?/? please elaborate...
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It's just a corny musician's joke. There are quite a few of them out there and alot of them are directed towards (drum roll please).......drummers. Now; who was that famous composer that said something to the effect of bass playing being labor fit for a horse? Was it Bach? What does he know?
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Jordan, your back-handed and offensive remarks speak volumes about your character.
I'll be praying that you learn to exercise your fingers, words and ego less and learn to live by the fruit of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (i.e., humility).
You'd be welcome here and probably anywhere if you did.
Wow I am suprised at you.....the fact that you made the statment (Jordan your back-handed and offensive remarks speak volumes about your character) well.......that statment...show a real nasty side to you.
And we all know that was meant as a cut, so please don't lie your way out of that one.
I had to Laugh at that when I read it.
I know you're suppose to be a music leader in your church, but I think the power of being in charge has gone to your head a bit don't you?
That statment is one that Christains have used over and over again for the past 20 years,they use it when they get mad..... it's not cute, it's not 100% original and shows me you can't speak well for yourself with out using other peoples wording. Pastors and Preachers use saying like that over and over again.....in they're sermons, I wonder when a true follower of God can think for themself at times. If God was really speaking through you telling me your going to pray for me , he wouldn't do it in that fashion or style of remark.
So who's cutting who here....also some one said a racial remark.....hope that wasn't aimed at me.
I never made any statments of color?
I'd never do that.
AS far as the world class statment, I can back it back buddy...can you?
Any time any day you think you can out play me....let me know.
Because I doubt you can even 50% come close to playing better.
Have a nice day
Jordan Rivers
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also if I was the moderator of this forum I pull it, because it's not in good taste with Jesus
Jordan
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Also Jay....I am not mad at you.......so Jam on.....an play that guitar
C ya Jordan Rivers
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Now I said my peace.............don't make me come back
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It's just a corny musician's joke. There are quite a few of them out there and alot of them are directed towards (drum roll please).......drummers. Now; who was that famous composer that said something to the effect of bass playing being labor fit for a horse? Was it Bach? What does he know?
This picture best describes what your playin with... ;)
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Oh please! I beg you to bring this to our court!
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Mr. Rivers, I'll keep letting your words speak for themselves and your true character.
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It's just a corny musician's joke. There are quite a few of them out there and alot of them are directed towards (drum roll please).......drummers. Now; who was that famous composer that said something to the effect of bass playing being labor fit for a horse? Was it Bach? What does he know?
In the 1650's Double bass strings where very very gut wound strings.They were twice as thick as strings today.Much harder to play untill about 70 to 80 years later when new strings were designed, I may be off a few years but I don't think I am by much.
But I don't know who said the quote.
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Mr. Rivers, I'll keep letting your words speak for themselves and your true character.
And I'll let you speak with fork tounge
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And I'll let you speak with fork tounge
Matthew 5:43-45
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven."
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So who's cutting who here....also some one said a racial remark.....hope that wasn't aimed at me.
I never made any statments of color?
I'd never do that.
My brother: I must inform you that you clearly took this statement completley and totaly out of its intended context.
....and to be judged NOT by the color of our skin..but the content of our character!
...wait a minute...im sorry, got swept up in the moment..
The above reference to the Dr. King's speach was done in jest. To be clear, no one is accusing anyone of being racist.
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Mr. Rivers, I'll keep letting your words speak for themselves and your true character.
Buddy....you have a real problem with other peoples Characters....maybe you should grap a mirror and have a good long look and get off your high horse.
I seem to read people very well and you seem threatened by a new comer here........I must wonder if this has happened before with you?
If I had to guess I would say this forum has lost people because of your nutty actions.
I could be wrong, but your to self-righteous in your thinking.
You don't seem to be able to handle much. You're not very competitive, did you ever compete in sports ...I did, and I think it's great when guitar players can say something without offending people.
Being competitive and trying to play better is very helpful.
Lets face it playing guitar these days is competitive.....business is competitive, finding a wife or husband is competitive, people just don't want to settle for less.
WE should be the best we can.....and I think others out there want to play great, there's nothing wrong with it.
Also long as we can enjoy serving the Lord.
If you think there's something wrong with being competitive as a Christain, then you really need to get a life.
There are many pro football players, they are church going, sunday go to meeting type people, and they compete.
God put it in me to be the best guitarist I can be and not to settle.........and I hope some one out there takes my words to heart,
Why?.... because I know someone reading my words, wants to be the best they can be in the Lord with thier guitar playing.
NOw if you don't like the words I type........then don't respond, I guess you'd thought I'd back down, you're very wrong to assume that.
My only hope on this forum was to help, people from all walks of life, poor the rich or anyone who needs a push.
People have dreams, and need to be told to go for it.
To me it seems you like to kill off those dreams, because someone may know more than you do.Or get a head of you.
That's fact.....that's the truth,and I must wonder how many others you chased away in the name of the Lord?
Bye Now
Jordan Rivers
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....also some one said a racial remark.....
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Nevermind, I didn't see that one.
My brother: I must inform you that you clearly took this statement completley and totaly out of its intended context.
The above reference to the Dr. King's speach was done in jest. To be clear, no one is accusing anyone of being racist.
Still... not a racist comment.
I'm out of this thread...
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Take it easy bro. Jay; I took care of this one ;).
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...LOL...
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Perhaps we should change the title of this thread (we've gotten hopelessly off topic) of just shut it down. Gentlemen; get off the Internet. Go get some sleep and return to LGM tomorrow. God bless everyone!
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Proverbs 17:9
He who covers over an offense promotes love, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.
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HI, I own a recording studio, the truth is this, you sometimes need the best of both worlds.
very well put...a friend of mine thru a cd at me he recorded at a studio in colorado, Christian alternative stuff, I was amazed at the tones he got, and was totally over taken when he said there wasnt a glowing tube anywhere on any of the tracks!! all digital, I said no way, he said yes way...all pod....I know the great Johnny Hilland loves the GNX3 series and x series pedals.
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Totally Incredible!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D Toooooooooooooo funnnnnnnnnnnny...who needs soap operas???
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My brother: I must inform you that you clearly took this statement completley and totaly out of its intended context.
The above reference to the Dr. King's speach was done in jest. To be clear, no one is accusing anyone of being racist.
Ok I'm sorry if I said something then, I just had to be sure and I was worried that I said something wrong.
I wouldn't do that.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Jordan
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very well put...a friend of mine thru a cd at me he recorded at a studio in colorado, Christian alternative stuff, I was amazed at the tones he got, and was totally over taken when he said there wasnt a glowing tube anywhere on any of the tracks!! all digital, I said no way, he said yes way...all pod....I know the great Johnny Hilland loves the GNX3 series and x series pedals.
thanks, the processors now have the tube sound and mic sound already in them, why they work so well is because there's no hiss and no noise such as an amp rattling......the wheels or cabinet can make noise's even small nosies we may not realize.
The processors prevent any such nosie.
But I do think the best of both worlds is the correct way to go.
Thanks Jordan Rivers.
P.S. should I stay or go.......you people decide , I don't want to cause trouble, but you have to understand I can't back down either certain comments.
Also , I really believe when guitar players get on stage together, 2 great guitarist will go at it, each trying to out do the other, this kind of competitiveness can be very fun, it helps build your confidence.
And the crowd loves it.
I also feel guitarist learn a lot from each other this way,and if your in a band you almost start to think and know how the other guys are going to react in a situation....... infact after 2 hours of practice, my band and I used to sit around and just do improv for another hour, we do a list of 18 songs first to get ready for a gospel rock concert date, and then after we were done, we take say a couple jazz numbers and just throw around and do improv.each person taking a few turns a leads and we wouldn't stop. Sometimes doing improv for 15 minutes, and then moving on to another jazz song.
My people loved it.
It's a great way to learn and it's fun.
You can learn from each other that way.
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Quote from: b_jizzle20 on Today at 05:32:30 PM
Wait a minute: are drummers even ACTUAL musicians to begin with? :D
If you ask my Drummer he say yes he's a musican.........he does play a little guitar and writes music some.
But I have to tell you, he really works up a sweat at a concert and I am glad to have such a person with me.
The two of us sometimes really push the songs and milk them for all we can.
And if my bass player or Keyboard players get sick, I know that just the 2 of us can go out and do a concert just the guitar, my voice and his drums, over the years we had to do this when people get sick. Yet it still very fun.
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Stay my brother,i look to learn some things. You have alot to offer to this site.Yes,you the right to defend yourself,and you do it well.I have somethings to ask you about playing the guitar. ;)
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stay if you can learn to co-exist with people whose opinions are different from yours....and then not attack someone when they disagree with you.
also, please do not mis-represent yourself like you have thus far, and like you have at other places. we both know what I am referring to.
be a part of the community, share your opinion, respect others, speak truthfully.....you are welcome here.
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Stay my brother,i look to learn some things. You have alot to offer to this site.Yes,you the right to defend yourself,and you do it well.I have somethings to ask you about playing the guitar. ;)
Hi Rown,thanks for the support...... I'll try and hang around for a while, and I'll help if I can.
When I finish work on my video, I'm going to try and post quite a few , lessons on my guitar blog.
I just hope I can finish this video in the next 4 to 6 weeks.
I may be in and out of here from time to time, I can't make it online everyday right now.
But maybe every other day.
We are working on releasing a CD and , I am also doing some work on a muisc video.
So my time is in the studio a lot right now .
The Album is already finished,and I am waiting till April to release it. But the video has a lot of effects in the pictures and it's taking some time to put together,many of the effects on the video are being done on computer.
But I'll try and hang my hat here several times a week if I can.
Thanks Jordan Rivers http://jordanriversguitarforum.blogspot.com/
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back to the original question.....there are obviously positives and negatives to both. I have both kinds of rigs. I have a 30 watt class A tube amp with a big analog pedal board. I have a line 6/bogner spider valve with the fbv controller. i have a pod x3 live. they are all wonderful tools that can all sound great....both live and recorded.
we have made the decision at church to go with no amps on the platform....i wasn't excited but am willing to do whatever to make things the best they can be. the pod x3 sounds AMAZING. i've been listening to recordings of the services and you'd never know it was a pod....i mean it really sounds outstanding.
so the bottom line is use what sounds good, what works best for your situation and for your budget. there are no rules.
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I'm just questioning the self glorification thing... ?/?
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I'm just questioning the self glorification thing... ?/?
sorry trackman, cold you explain a little bit more?? not sure who you are referring to....although I have an idea.
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....and to be judged NOT by the color of our skin..but the content of our character!
...wait a minute...im sorry, got swept up in the moment..
now THAT'S comedy :D
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sorry trackman, cold you explain a little bit more?? not sure who you are referring to....although I have an idea.
I'm speaking of Mr. Jordan Rivers. It first struck me odd that he used his full name as his user name. I wondered about why he would use his full name. After reading his monologues and seeing how much he advertises himself (going from the subject at hand to promoting his new album to telling us, in so many words, that our wives and girlfriends would leave us if we purchased the equipment he owns - all in the same "breath"), I understand why. This guy is very full of himself. He is trying to promote himself in any venue that he can. It showed everytime that he put finger to keyboard. I then noticed how extremly defensive he was at someone differing in opinion from him. Another sign of someone who esteems themselves way higher than everyone else or way lower than everyone else. This guy seems the former.
To classify yourself as one of the top five guitarist of all time?!?! First of all, Polls like this can be made up on the spot. Second, they offer no validity to anyone's ability to do anything. Third, it doesn't matter how well you play the guitar for God if your spirit isn't right. Rememer that God's calmed the king through David's spirit - through his playing. If you seek glorification for what you do here on earth - that is your reward.
Sorry, didn't want to preach... "Is there just one..." :D
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GO HEAD PREACHER
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Yea,sometimes you got to read between the line.Only God knows your heart.And,it is not for us to judge.Pastor Trackman AMEN ;)
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back to the original question.....there are obviously positives and negatives to both. I have both kinds of rigs. I have a 30 watt class A tube amp with a big analog pedal board. I have a line 6/bogner spider valve with the fbv controller. i have a pod x3 live. they are all wonderful tools that can all sound great....both live and recorded.
we have made the decision at church to go with no amps on the platform....i wasn't excited but am willing to do whatever to make things the best they can be. the pod x3 sounds AMAZING. i've been listening to recordings of the services and you'd never know it was a pod....i mean it really sounds outstanding.
so the bottom line is use what sounds good, what works best for your situation and for your budget. there are no rules.
Here's my thought, when touring or playing at other churches, I rather have my amps, the reason why I can control the sound I want. When singing I have no choice but to use their sound systems, but I can stand on my voice if I have too.
But on guitar I don't want someone chaning my settings.
You can't rely on other people's judgment to get you the sound you want.
The sound you create on guitar describes who you are.
Also I am aware the all amps have a very powerful beam of sound that shoots out at people about 1 foot to 2 feet wide.
That sound beam comes from the center of the cone, so I place my amps on stands that angle back about 20 Degress and shoots that beam over peoples heads so it doesn't blow them away.
Next if you're in a church and can sneak into the church(well ask the pastor) on a night off from your music team members, go into the church and plug your system into the sound system, run it in stereo to 2 channels left and right out.
Besure to balance your sound in our effects box with the eq and effects, work all the details out.
If it takes an extra day then make time with the sound man and come back a week later and finish.
Besure you take a pen and paper and mark all your settings down, on your pedals and the sound system.
Trust me kids fool with sound systems, and when you need a quick fix you have your notes.
If your sound system isn't in stereo, then route from the left output of your guitar effects processor box into 1 channel.
And make your adjustments into the sound system.
I have done this before myself, and you can get a very full sound.
And I think it sound better than a mic amp.
So those are my idea's, on the subject.
Still I like to control my own sound so I use my amps most of the time.
Thanks Jordan Rivers
http://jordanriversguitarforum.blogspot.com/
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I'm speaking of Mr. Jordan Rivers. It first struck me odd that he used his full name as his user name. I wondered about why he would use his full name. After reading his monologues and seeing how much he advertises himself (going from the subject at hand to promoting his new album to telling us, in so many words, that our wives and girlfriends would leave us if we purchased the equipment he owns - all in the same "breath"), I understand why. This guy is very full of himself. He is trying to promote himself in any venue that he can. It showed everytime that he put finger to keyboard. I then noticed how extremly defensive he was at someone differing in opinion from him. Another sign of someone who esteems themselves way higher than everyone else or way lower than everyone else. This guy seems the former.
To classify yourself as one of the top five guitarist of all time?!?! First of all, Polls like this can be made up on the spot. Second, they offer no validity to anyone's ability to do anything. Third, it doesn't matter how well you play the guitar for God if your spirit isn't right. Rememer that God's calmed the king through David's spirit - through his playing. If you seek glorification for what you do here on earth - that is your reward.
Sorry, didn't want to preach... "Is there just one..." :D
Hi, if you feel that way that's ok....I hear you.
As far as rankings go , please re-read, John Sinclare made that ranking, I have rankings from 3rd 5th, 7th, 10th up to 32nd.
It just depends what people like in music.There 1000's of web sites out there and people making posts.
Over a million if I remember right.
Just so you know.... I do feel I have the skills to be in the top 10 of guitar players alive today.
But that's my feeling.You can disagree if you wish.
If you want to know who I think the best is.....
I told someone today in an email, I thought that the greatest electric guitar player of all time was and is George Benson, he plays without effects that the rockers use today.He doesn't hide behind sound effects that cover peoples mistakes.
He has the skill and techinque down.
I wished he'd play a little more blues but that's ok.I love his jazz music.
Also, as far as promoting, my CD will be released in 2 months or less I hope, but if your a pastor remember this.
Seek and Ye Shall Find, Knock and The Door Shall Be Open......if I hide in a Closest, then when will someone hear my CD?
Or see My music Video?
Lets face it, to be a Guitar Player you have to get out there and play.
People have to see you, or what's the point?
If you want to be used of Christ, then don't hide it under a bush.Let it shine !!
And lets remeber Who Preached from the Mt of Olives?
Remember......I'd think, if he had a sound system, he's broadcast it out louder from the Mt.
AS far as myself acting like I know it all?
well let me ask you this........if I know something and people ask a question, I guess I can sit on my hands and not say a word, or I can share.....So speaking up bothers people here, then I can move along. And let you all chat here.
I am not going to force myself on you.
And as for the sound equipment being 55,000.00 It took me years and years to buy it all.
It didn't happen over night.
To dream of owning equipment like this is very hard on a person, the reason why, is you feel without it you're being held back.
Yet at the same time, it costs dearly.
I wanted my first guitar so bad and I came from a very poor family , father left when I was 13, I worked in the fields picking grapes to get my first guitar at 13, I wanted that guitar since I was 5 years old.
I work every year,in the fields in 105 degree heat each summer, to buy music books,school clothes and tape recorders.
That was how I began.
So if you think I was some rich fool, shooting off his mouth, then you have me pegged all wrong.
I know the pain, of trying to find a dream, a guitar and to play it.
I could have gone to the world, but I didn't.
Trying to find a way , and having a dream to aim for in Jesus.....that's changes a persons life and heart, gives hope, when there is no hope. I know I have been there many times.I started with nothing.
BUt with Jesus there's always a way.
If you think me bad.
So be it.
But at least I speak the truth from my heart.
Jordan Rivers
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I thought that the greatest electric guitar player of all time was and is George Benson, he plays without effects that the rockers use today.He doesn't hide behind sound effects that cover peoples mistakes.
He has the skill and techinque down.
I wished he'd play a little more blues but that's ok.I love his jazz music.
Total To That!!! I try studying his vids and end up listening to him play and just get mesmerized...then I stick a Wes Montgomery cd on...then a Charlie Christian..then a..oh well ya'll get the point..
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WASSUP PEOPLE!!!!
did I miss something??? :D :D :D
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I thought that the greatest electric guitar player of all time was and is George Benson, he plays without effects that the rockers use today.He doesn't hide behind sound effects that cover peoples mistakes.
He has the skill and techinque down.
I wished he'd play a little more blues but that's ok.I love his jazz music.
Total To That!!! I try studying his vids and end up listening to him play and just get mesmerized...then I stick a Wes Montgomery cd on...then a Charlie Christian..then a..oh well ya'll get the point..
Thanks Julie it's good to know other love Bensons music also.
I do love listening to Eric Clapton, I am taking about the Eric Clapton of today, not 20 or more years ago.
Eric just loves to play now, he tries to have fun and it seems he's more relaxed these days.
The The King of Guitar will always be George Benson.
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Thanks Julie it's good to know other love Bensons music also.
I do love listening to Eric Clapton, I am taking about the Eric Clapton of today, not 20 or more years ago.
Eric just loves to play now, he tries to have fun and it seems he's more relaxed these days.
The The King of Guitar will always be George Benson.
I love the way Benson just seems to be so relaxed in his playing. You really feel what he wants you to feel in his music. It's incredible...
Clapton is one of my fav's too (today's Clapton ;)). He really does seem to have alot of fun when he's playing. One of my favorite DVD's is the Crossroads DVD.
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Thanks Julie it's good to know other love Bensons music also.
I do love listening to Eric Clapton, I am taking about the Eric Clapton of today, not 20 or more years ago.
Eric just loves to play now, he tries to have fun and it seems he's more relaxed these days.
The The King of Guitar will always be George Benson.
Agreed on Clapton (I'll have to look into some Benson, I'm not too familiar--know the name, never really listened).
I love watching the Crossroads benefits; shorts, sandals, and like you said, he's just having fun.
He's actually got a house around here, but I've yet to run into him lol. Turns out his wife, Melia, went to school with my wife's boss, but they have no contact with her know--I tried though lol.
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Thanks Julie it's good to know other love Bensons music also.
I do love listening to Eric Clapton, I am taking about the Eric Clapton of today, not 20 or more years ago.
Eric just loves to play now, he tries to have fun and it seems he's more relaxed these days.
The The King of Guitar will always be George Benson.
North Korea has extended an invitation for Clapton to perform there (they recently had the NY Philharmonic Orchestra play). So far, no word on if he has acepted the invite. As for Benson, he's the man.
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Agreed on Clapton (I'll have to look into some Benson, I'm not too familiar--know the name, never really listened).
here you are: My favorites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7YAYQxmLh0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ucr8lI9gU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN_D64AJR3E&feature=related
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Thanks, I'm checking these out right now.
Dude's good. I wish I could play more that style, but honestly, I wouldn't use it much, and I'd just lose it lol.
Very nice, though.
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Thanks, I'm checking these out right now.
Dude's good. I wish I could play more that style, but honestly, I wouldn't use it much, and I'd just lose it lol.
Very nice, though.
Another guy to check out is a protege' of Mr. Benson named Norman Brown:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N4Fh5q6fojk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NQNmv5TfrcM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Za0phL9vhHA
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Thanks Dave,
First time hearing of Norman Brown...he's pretty good, but not yet George Benson.
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Thanks Dave,
First time hearing of Norman Brown...he's pretty good, but not yet George Benson.
Man..that was awesome ..I agree not a George but he has a special flair that I feel sure he's picking up the Torch...wow and he has a unique way of playing octaves while some very clever scatting...that maui gig was great!!