They need Jesus for real.
10) It looked like a RuPaul convention. I've never seen so many effeminate boys at one event. Why do they gravitate to the church choir?
Yall act like yall never been to a black event. :D Our people are truly a mess but I still love us. We really got to get our acts togather
Boy, how long are we gonna keep sayin' that? Its getting real tired.I guess you dont mind experiencing all the things the OP stated. But I'll try to keep it down to once a month, Except for the you know you in a black church thread.
LOL!!! I swear I have been to this EXACT event, lol.You ain't lyin ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
Sounds like an official Hot Mess to me.
Why do we always have to be out of order? Case in point: I went to a gospel choir concert this past weekend. Where I'm from gospel choirs are like street gangs. They have concerts so they can out-sing each other and they actually have rivalry and everything.
Here's how it went:
1) It started late, of course. I got there when it was supposed to start. Actually got there late on purpose and sat for 45 minutes.
2) When it was time to start none of the choirs that were supposed to sing were there. So, the person in charge sang a solo to waste time. And then another person sang a solo and then another person sang a solo.
3) There was no sound guy. There was so much feedback it was ridiculous.
4) They had wayyyyy too many choirs on the schedule. For one, y'all behind because you started late and then there's like 10 different groups who are supposed to sing.
5) I kept seeing people snacks. I thought they were going to the corner store but when I left I saw a glass case with drinks in it and snacks.
6) One of the leaders got up and said "Some of my choir members are outside" so I'm gonna start anyway.
7) The choir members who were outside came in during the middle of the song and got up to sing like nothing. Tacky!!!
8) They kept changing out band members for each group which is fine. But they were coming up in the middle of someone else's song to set up. Y'all couldn't chip in to get 2 keyboards and a drums set that everyone could use for the night.
8) Why we gotta be so loud? Loud does not equal anointing. It doesn't even equal intensity. More people doesn't mean a better sound. It just means more LOUD. It also means that we can't understand what you're saying. Isn't the point of gospel music the message.
9) People kept adding stuff into their songs like, "I know y'all ready to go home but ..." and "I know it's getting late but ..." and then kept singing. If you know it's getting late then wrap the song up and sit down.
10) It looked like a RuPaul convention. I've never seen so many effeminate boys at one event. Why do they gravitate to the church choir?
My spirit was grieved. I don't know about anyone else. I'm sure God was either laughing or even worse crying.
IRT #10 - Did they have on makeup, dresses, and the latest design in wigs? Were they singing women's songs in women's voices even though everyone could clearly tell they were men?
If NOT, where's the correlation to RuPaul?
You have to be careful. I feel your frustration about homosexuality taking over the church/choir/what have you, but you have to be careful.
Maybe they didn't walk with a limp, grab their crotch and say "wuzzup", but that does not make the MAN gay. Just as those who DO walk with a limp, grab their crotches or what have you are not always straight.
If the HolyGhost told you they were gay, then I am sure you went into immediate prayer for them as PRAYER can fix any and everything. If you are apart of that "ye which are spiritual" that the Bible speaks of, what did you do to "restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, watching yourself lest ye also be tempted"?
If there were any lesbians in the choirstand (you know, the ones who look feminine with long flowing hair and KILLER fashion skills), could you tell them, too?
You have to be careful not to confuse discernment with judgment. I know it's easy to do.
BUT...growing up with my mom, sisters, and aunts (with not many men around for YEARS) I picked up a LOT of their ways. But I liked girls tremendously. How I acted and what I preferred had no bearing on each other.
If the guys didn't walk up to you (and you were a man) and approach you, or if you didn't catch them in some lewd act, then be careful not to pass judgment in the name of discernment.
Someone could say "her hair ain't all hers", or "she wears too much makeup", or "her dress is too tight and those heels are way too high" and immediately label you a harlot (the Biblical term). But the only person who would TRULY know what you are is you (and of course, the same Holy Spirit who hopefully told you that these Representatives of RuPaul WERE as you say they ARE.
***And in no way am I defending the homosexual or their "craft". But as someone who knows first-hand what it's like to be labeled, it kinda "gets my goat" when people do that.
Praying that your next concert will be a much better experience. Sometimes a service can start late and the anointing can still flow...if we go in EXPECTING.
Maybe they didn't walk with a limp, grab their crotch and say "wuzzup", but that does not make the MAN gay. Just as those who DO walk with a limp, grab their crotches or what have you are not always straight.
But she didn't mention anything about gay. She just said effeminate.
Why do we always have to be out of order? Case in point: I went to a gospel choir concert this past weekend. Where I'm from gospel choirs are like street gangs. They have concerts so they can out-sing each other and they actually have rivalry and everything.
Here's how it went:
1) It started late, of course. I got there when it was supposed to start. Actually got there late on purpose and sat for 45 minutes.
2) When it was time to start none of the choirs that were supposed to sing were there. So, the person in charge sang a solo to waste time. And then another person sang a solo and then another person sang a solo.
3) There was no sound guy. There was so much feedback it was ridiculous.
4) They had wayyyyy too many choirs on the schedule. For one, y'all behind because you started late and then there's like 10 different groups who are supposed to sing.
5) I kept seeing people snacks. I thought they were going to the corner store but when I left I saw a glass case with drinks in it and snacks.
6) One of the leaders got up and said "Some of my choir members are outside" so I'm gonna start anyway.
7) The choir members who were outside came in during the middle of the song and got up to sing like nothing. Tacky!!!
8) They kept changing out band members for each group which is fine. But they were coming up in the middle of someone else's song to set up. Y'all couldn't chip in to get 2 keyboards and a drums set that everyone could use for the night.
8) Why we gotta be so loud? Loud does not equal anointing. It doesn't even equal intensity. More people doesn't mean a better sound. It just means more LOUD. It also means that we can't understand what you're saying. Isn't the point of gospel music the message.
9) People kept adding stuff into their songs like, "I know y'all ready to go home but ..." and "I know it's getting late but ..." and then kept singing. If you know it's getting late then wrap the song up and sit down.
10) It looked like a RuPaul convention. I've never seen so many effeminate boys at one event. Why do they gravitate to the church choir?
My spirit was grieved. I don't know about anyone else. I'm sure God was either laughing or even worse crying.
And thats the problem I have with those people. If your not gay, Be a man. Stop walking around in purple tee shirts 2 sizes to small with matchin flip flops talking with a gay accent. There are just some things real men dont do. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
And thats the problem I have with those people. If your not gay, Be a man. Stop walking around in purple tee shirts 2 sizes to small with matchin flip flops talking with a gay accent. There are just some things real men dont do. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Correct, Fenix. Effeminacy and homosexuality are two different things.
As far as your statement under13.....don't let the outward image cause you to make assumptions about one. There are several jersey wearing, Timbs wearing, crotch-scratching homosexuals amongst you.
Correct, Fenix. Effeminacy and homosexuality are two different things.
As far as your statement under13.....don't let the outward image cause you to make assumptions about one. There are several jersey wearing, Timbs wearing, crotch-scratching homosexuals amongst you.
+1
I just took the long route to say that, I guess!
Indeed.
It could have all been said in two words:
Homo thugs
Welcome to LGM littlelamb
Herm...take a deep breath...it's okay...wooosaw
If there were any fine girls in flip-flops, put that camera phone to use and PM a brutha! ;D
Why do we always have to be out of order? Case in point: I went to a gospel choir concert this past weekend. Where I'm from gospel choirs are like street gangs. They have concerts so they can out-sing each other and they actually have rivalry and everything.
My spirit was grieved. I don't know about anyone else. I'm sure God was either laughing or even worse crying.
Welcome to LGM littlelamb
Herm...take a deep breath...it's okay...wooosaw
At least we got some dialogue going on the subject. It seems there's only one person who has a problem with what I said. I would be worried if everyone ignored the problem.
The truth is we're living in dangerous times. These are end times. Our youth and adults are dying and thinking they are going to heaven because they go to church and sing in the choir. Homosexuality is a spirit and not something to play with. If you let it linger it will take over. It's one thing which the "black" church allows so that we can have a great choir. I'm sorry, if that's what we have to put up with for a choir where everyone can "sang" then we just need to do without a choir.
To ignore a boy with lip gloss on would be to ignore the obvious. Aids and black men on the down-low is a problem in the black community period whether they look the part or not. I know the difference between a boy/man who is effeminate for whatever reason and one who is OUT and in the choir. The line is thin. If he/she continues on that path in their youth and is hanging around that spirit it won't be long before they get caught up. Guess what? If there is a church with a lot of gay activity it's either because the pastor allows it there or they are part of it. It's the pastor's job to watch over their flock and do some teaching on what the word says about it. What we have now is pastors who ignore it. Why? As I said, for the choir. If they need to take some service time to discuss, fornication, homosexuality, AIDS, the high rate of pregnancy, abortion then so be it. The funny thing is black people are generally homophobic in relation to whites but we'll allow it church and no one wants to talk about it.
Of course, we need sinners of all kinds to come to church but they need to be in a state of conversion. In fact, if the pastor aint right they need to sit down for a while too. Any spirit, like fornication, not just homosexuality, will run through the church and before you know it take over. It would be best if some of them sat down for a while and got some deliverance. We could also talk about the catholic church and priests molesting young boys but I was talking about that particular concert. If you don't live in New Orleans you can't really comment. Not that we have a corner on the market but, in some ways we do. Any city that allows for something like Mardi Gras is going to have some serious spirits lingering. People come here, act a fool, leave their mess here and go home and we are paying for it. We've got tons of churches - one on every corner - and tons of people going to hell.
Sounds like an official Hot Mess to me.
Mane don't speak to soon...I've seen that before...this guest speaker came to my church one time a few years back for our Founders Week Convention..and his personal organist or somebody he called at the last minute ..came in some TIGHT plaid shorts ...polo shirt and some THONG FLIP FLOPS...... ?/? ?/?...and oh yea if you were wondering ...YEA he was.... :D
LOL!
OK. Now that we have graduated from the gays, thugs, gay thugs, and such....I just GOTTA ask...
Uh...with all the talk about flip flops....brutha....iz you got a problem showing your toes or something? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just kidding, but on the real, I hope NOBODY (gay, straight, black, white, poor, rich, or otherwise) would wear flip flops in church...in a service? Nah!
If there were any fine girls in flip-flops, put that camera phone to use and PM a brutha! ;D
Mane don't speak to soon...I've seen that before...this guest speaker came to my church one time a few years back for our Founders Week Convention..and his personal organist or somebody he called at the last minute ..came in some TIGHT plaid shorts ...polo shirt and some THONG FLIP FLOPS...... ?/? ?/?...and oh yea if you were wondering ...YEA he was.... :D
Mane don't speak to soon...I've seen that before...this guest speaker came to my church one time a few years back for our Founders Week Convention..and his personal organist or somebody he called at the last minute ..came in some TIGHT plaid shorts ...polo shirt and some THONG FLIP FLOPS...... ?/? ?/?...and oh yea if you were wondering ...YEA he was.... :D
Of course he was. ::)These are OK
FLIP-FLOPS (worn by males OR females) are of da debil!! >:(
These are OK
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These are not!!
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You're right, she only said effiminate. And truth be told, I don't know if that's a problem we will EVER be able to fix.I guess we need some LGM sensitivity training or something. I'm sure we all remember being kids and either being "that" kid or seeing some kid that was "different"
Be a man? What exactly does that mean, sir? Outside of the way he may walk (out of habit or whatever), what makes him NOT a man? If you can call someone a "gay MAN", aren't you still calling him a "MAN" when all is said and done?
This is actually kinda funny....I know a little boy right now who lives in a single-parent home with his mom. He has some "feminine ways" as we call them. But don't let some of his mama's friends come over and take their shoes off. I swear li'l J has a foot fetish so help me!!! She has to whip him to make him stop playing with women's feet and legs!
Nobody held a gun to my head and made me stay somewhere that didn't agree with my spirit...
Thats what makes me mad. To organist, they automaticaly think GAY. >:(
Maybe he was coming from the beach?? These are OK
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These are not!!
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Those shoes LOOK like girl shoes (the pink ones).
But for real, some of us "manly bruthas" have got to start being examples to these young boys. Single parent homes are on the rise. Even in "double-parent" homes, things happen. Children watch. They see things.
In 2nd grade, I delivered a speech in front of Congressman Harold Ford, Sr. at Winchester Elementary School. I remember being VERY articulate. I still have the letter he wrote back to the school afterwards...I'll never lose it.
But the boys who made F's in English...couldn't talk in a complete sentence to save their lives...and so forth...were saying (on the day of the event) "look at that f*g!"
I had no idea what the word sex was, nor was there a desire to have it at that age. In those days, if a girl started to "develop" and we noticed, we had all the thrill we need.
We have to be protective of these little guys (and the grown ones too).
Believe it or not (and I KNOW this to be true about some folks I know), some gay guys become friends with straight guys to LEARN to be more "manly" and do more "manly" things. Daddy didn't teach it...maybe new friend will. But when the new friend (not "love interest") shuns them away for not being equally as manly, the example is gone and then what?
And who decides exactly what is "manly"? Some people who cut grass and work on cars are.....
:-X
But for real, some of us "manly bruthas" have got to start being examples to these young boys. Single parent homes are on the rise. Even in "double-parent" homes, things happen. Children watch. They see things. We have to be protective of these little guys (and the grown ones too).Great point Herman!
Mane don't speak to soon...I've seen that before...this guest speaker came to my church one time a few years back for our Founders Week Convention..and his personal organist or somebody he called at the last minute ..came in some TIGHT plaid shorts ...polo shirt and some THONG FLIP FLOPS...... ?/? ?/?...and oh yea if you were wondering ...YEA he was.... :D
In reference to the intial post...I just talked about this in my Worship class last night.
It's not that the people don't love God or don't know God.
When Jesus went to Simon the leper home in Bethany, we find that Lazarus, who Jesus raised from the dead, and the Disciples, who walked with Jesus were all there. These are the same who witnessed and/or reaped the miracles of Jesus. But now they are not excited about Jesus anymore. They sat around and ate with Jesus as if He was one of the boys. They became comfortable and laid back with Jesus. Yet it took Mary to kneel at Jesus' feet and worship Him.
The men got so involved with the work of the Lord that they forgot about the Lord of the work. Some people get so wrapped up with putting on productions, choir rehearsals, etc. that they never stop to offer real heart worship. That's what it sounds like with the program you attended littlelamb----people not giving their best in worship.
What are you tryin to say?
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What are you tryin to say?
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I wear that style (minus the flip flops). But not to church. A man knows how to dress for the occasion.I think quite a few items of hip hop gear could easily make the "gay" fashion list but that's just me.
I dont see that style as gay, I'd call it preppy. For some reason, when A young black man isnt dipped in hip hop gear, he is labled gay.
I think quite a few items of hip hop gear could easily make the "gay" fashion list but that's just me.
I wear that style (minus the flip flops). But not to church. A man knows how to dress for the occasion.
I dont see that style as gay, I'd call it preppy. For some reason, when A young black man isnt dipped in hip hop gear, he is labeled gay.
I agree, i don't view that style as gay at all. In fact i like it, minus the flip-flops. Put a pair of low-top chuck taylors on that and we are good to go!!
As far as hip hop gear is concerned, i am one of those who anti-hiphop gear people. I can't stand those fitted caps, baggy jeans and throwbacks.
I agree, i don't view that style as gay at all. In fact i like it, minus the flip-flops. Put a pair of low-top chuck taylors on that and we are good to go!!Hey I'm getting old and times change. I used to get my hair braided as a kid on the weekends and I was embarrassed to be seen in public. I couldn't believe it when braided hair became stylish for guys.
As far as hip hop gear is concerned, i am one of those who anti-hiphop gear people. I can't stand those fitted caps, baggy jeans and throwbacks.
Hey I'm getting old and times change. I used to get my hair braided as a kid on the weekends and I was embarrassed to be seen in public. I couldn't believe it when braided hair became stylish for guys.
Then be very careful....if you don't speak or walk (assuming you do these like what society calls a "man"), you could be the next suspect! Real talk!
Doesn't feel so good on the other side of the bashing, does it? LOL!
Then be very careful....if you don't speak or walk (assuming you do these like what society calls a "man"), you could be the next suspect! Real talk!
Doesn't feel so good on the other side of the bashing, does it? LOL!
Ok, since erryones is overlooking it, I'LL axe.
*ahem*
Herman, WHY I.T.9.F.H were those little ninjlettes calling you a CIGARRETTE?! ?/? ?/?
*walks off whistling*
8)
An unspoken obsession with smoking, perhaps?
I'm hoping you got the joke, Herm. You know how you have your ?/? moments. ;)
stylish should be allowed. Now cute is not in my vocabulary. ;D
"Stylish" is not a "manly" word, is it? Shouldn't you have said "hip"??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Is not afraid to cry. My father would be crying most of the time before my mother. Sometimes she wouldn't be crying.
Real men don't cry...they weep. Weeping is more manly than crying.
That said, I hope that my future husband is a real man like my Dad.
Yes he is 8)
LOL! You are all hilarious. I'm at work laughing my behind off. We've turned it into a fashion discussion. I'm all for high fashion, it's the spirit of the man that makes the difference.
In regard to what a real man is: I had a real man for a father and he is now deceased. According to his example of a real man I present these qualities:
1. Has a relationship with God and is a Godly head of his household.
2. Is not afraid to cry. My father would be crying most of the time before my mother. Sometimes she wouldn't be crying.
3. Is not afraid to hug and kiss his children (especially his sons) and tell them that he loves them as much as possible. This is what's missing from our society. Boys craving for the love of a man which they didn't get.
4. Is not afraid to tell his daughter that she is beautiful. If she doesn't hear it from him she may hear it from some unworthy negro later on and get caught up.
5. Is proud to have a family and is proud to be married and loves his wife. His children see his love for his wife and how he treats her.
6. Is a worshipper. WHEW!!! I'm getting caught up now.
That said, I hope that my future husband is a real man like my Dad.
I don't, and I've NEVER had a problem with society saying such a thing. 8)Yeah, I think we're talking about two different things. There's a very thin line between "eccentricly stylish" and effeminate sometimes, but they are not one in the same.
LittleLamb, littleLamb, little innocent lamb.....And the littlelamb shall lead them. ;D
LOL! You are all hilarious. I'm at work laughing my behind off. We've turned it into a fashion discussion. I'm all for high fashion, it's the spirit of the man that makes the difference.I was expecting to see Knows how to build a bookshelf from scratch in there somewhere. ;D
In regard to what a real man is: I had a real man for a father and he is now deceased. According to his example of a real man I present these qualities:
1. Has a relationship with God and is a Godly head of his household.
2. Is not afraid to cry. My father would be crying most of the time before my mother. Sometimes she wouldn't be crying.
3. Is not afraid to hug and kiss his children (especially his sons) and tell them that he loves them as much as possible. This is what's missing from our society. Boys craving for the love of a man which they didn't get.
4. Is not afraid to tell his daughter that she is beautiful. If she doesn't hear it from him she may hear it from some unworthy negro later on and get caught up.
5. Is proud to have a family and is proud to be married and loves his wife. His children see his love for his wife and how he treats her.
6. Is a worshipper. WHEW!!! I'm getting caught up now.
That said, I hope that my future husband is a real man like my Dad.
I wear that style (minus the flip flops). But not to church. A man knows how to dress for the occasion.
I dont see that style as gay, I'd call it preppy. For some reason, when A young black man isnt dipped in hip hop gear, he is labled gay.
I was expecting to see Knows how to build a bookshelf from scratch in there somewhere. ;DOk, I'm sorry. Here's an addendum everyone. A real man ... Knows how to build a bookshelf from scratch. Also he can kill roaches and bugs and spiders and change my flat tire.
Yeah, I think we're talking about two different things. There's a very thin line between "eccentricly stylish" and effeminate sometimes, but they are not one in the same.
Ok, I'm sorry. Here's an addendum everyone. A real man ... Knows how to build a bookshelf from scratch. Also he can kill roaches and bugs and spiders and change my flat tire.Thank you sweetie ;D
Ok, I'm sorry. Here's an addendum everyone. A real man ... Knows how to build a bookshelf from scratch. Also he can kill roaches and bugs and spiders and change my flat tire.
I hear y'all....
But one of Under13's comments kinda "got me" too (no offense, U13)!
Why is it that some musicians would not care to be seen with a musician who is "presumed" gay for fear of guilt by association...
But your "partna" (int) who has 9 children by 30 different women (int) all less than a year apart is ok as long as he has good chops?
Or...your "dude" (whoever thought we'd be living in a time where a man would call another man "my dude" and not be labeled) can smoke all the weed he wants, come to church high, and even though everybody in town knows it, he can still stay in pocket when he's playing...so he's cool to hang around?
WOW!
I hear y'all....
But one of Under13's comments kinda "got me" too (no offense, U13)!
Why is it that some musicians would not care to be seen with a musician who is "presumed" gay for fear of guilt by association...
But your "partna" (int) who has 9 children by 30 different women (int) all less than a year apart is ok as long as he has good chops?
Or...your "dude" (whoever thought we'd be living in a time where a man would call another man "my dude" and not be labeled) can smoke all the weed he wants, come to church high, and even though everybody in town knows it, he can still stay in pocket when he's playing...so he's cool to hang around?
WOW!
This is based solely on your experiences, of course, right? ::) :-\
Herman, please come down from your soapbox. ;D
But your "partna" (int) who has 9 children by 30 different women (int) all less than a year apart is ok as long as he has good chops?
Or...your "dude" (whoever thought we'd be living in a time where a man would call another man "my dude" and not be labeled) can smoke all the weed he wants, come to church high, and even though everybody in town knows it, he can still stay in pocket when he's playing...so he's cool to hang around?
WOW!
Herman, please come down from your soapbox. ;D
I see what you're saying about the "my dude" jargon. That always sounds funny to me. Also, what's the deal with smoking weed and a bunch of guys passing one joint(or whatever they call them now)around. Ummmm you expect me to smoke that, I don't know where your lips have been.
Herman, please come down from your soapbox. ;D
I see what you're saying about the "my dude" jargon. That always sounds funny to me. Also, what's the deal with smoking weed and a bunch of guys passing one joint(or whatever they call them now)around. Ummmm you expect me to smoke that, I don't know where your lips have been.
I hear y'all....
But one of Under13's comments kinda "got me" too (no offense, U13)!
Why is it that some musicians would not care to be seen with a musician who is "presumed" gay for fear of guilt by association...
But your "partna" (int) who has 9 children by 30 different women (int) all less than a year apart is ok as long as he has good chops?
Or...your "dude" (whoever thought we'd be living in a time where a man would call another man "my dude" and not be labeled) can smoke all the weed he wants, come to church high, and even though everybody in town knows it, he can still stay in pocket when he's playing...so he's cool to hang around?
WOW!
Dude ... you trying to tell us something? It's ok if you have gay friends BUT I think that under no circumstance does a straight man hang out with gay men. I said Hang out. Why? Because they are after different things. That might be your boy from back in the day and you might play at church together but if you hanging with them after church and on your free time that isn't a good idea. You SHOULD be ashamed to be hanging out with a church musician who is gay. IS gay and you know it. That's an abomination. There's nothing wrong with being cool with them. You keep leaving room open for if they are or are not gay. You have to watch them and decide. And you're right, people should also be ashamed to be spending time with promiscuous men or women, those with unsavory recreational habits ...
Dude ... you trying to tell us something? It's ok if you have gay friends BUT I think that under no circumstance does a straight man hang out with gay men. I said Hang out. Why? Because they are after different things. That might be your boy from back in the day and you might play at church together but if you hanging with them after church and on your free time that isn't a good idea. You SHOULD be ashamed to be hanging out with a church musician who is gay. IS gay and you know it. That's an abomination. There's nothing wrong with being cool with them. You keep leaving room open for if they are or are not gay. You have to watch them and decide. And you're right, people should also be ashamed to be spending time with promiscuous men or women, those with unsavory recreational habits ...
RuPaul is NOT gay. He just impersonates females and gets a phat check!
It's ok if you have gay friends BUT I think that under no circumstance does a straight man hang out with gay men. I said Hang out. Why? Because they are after different things. You SHOULD be ashamed to be hanging out with a church musician who is gay. IS gay and you know it. That's an abomination. There's nothing wrong with being cool with them. You keep leaving room open for if they are or are not gay. You have to watch them and decide. And you're right, people should also be ashamed to be spending time with promiscuous men or women, those with unsavory recreational habits ...Whoa! Sounds like you're saying it's okay to judge folks based on how things appear. There are also a lot of assumptions as well. Hey, why stop at gay dudes, don't hang out with fornicators, liars, idol worshipers, and just sinners in general.
Whoa! Sounds like you're saying it's okay to judge folks based on how things appear. There are also a lot of assumptions as well. Hey, why stop at gay dudes, don't hang out with fornicators, liars, idol worshipers, and just sinners in general.
I was gon say somethin' but I'm through with this one.I'm right behind you. Under13 has some competition! ;D
:-X LOL!
I'm right behind you. Under13 has some competition! ;D
I was gon say somethin' but I'm through with this one.
I was gon say somethin' but I'm through with this one.
"HEY...Nessa lives up the street from Las Vegas....sin city....and then she's COGIC!? That's a sin...she needs to move!"Is that true Nessa? You should be ashamed! And don't be hanging out with any of those questionable people there either. ;D
LOL!!!!
Is that true Nessa? You should be ashamed! And don't be hanging out with any of those questionable people there either. ;D
:o :o :o :o
I did NOT knewed u could get a whole jar of peanut butter on one craccer!!
I'll let that one marinate for a tic.
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:o :o :o :o
I did NOT knewed u could get a whole jar of peanut butter on one craccer!!
I'll let that one marinate for a tic.
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Themidiroom is an OWNER of a studio, yet so many people on LGM are trying to record and he has all the hookups but (to those who don't really know) he ain't trying to help nobody...put him out! He's selfish!
Is that true Nessa? You should be ashamed! And don't be hanging out with any of those questionable people there either. ;D
Dude ... you trying to tell us something? It's ok if you have gay friends BUT I think that under no circumstance does a straight man hang out with gay men. I said Hang out. Why? Because they are after different things. That might be your boy from back in the day and you might play at church together but if you hanging with them after church and on your free time that isn't a good idea. You SHOULD be ashamed to be hanging out with a church musician who is gay. IS gay and you know it. That's an abomination. There's nothing wrong with being cool with them. You keep leaving room open for if they are or are not gay. You have to watch them and decide. And you're right, people should also be ashamed to be spending time with promiscuous men or women, those with unsavory recreational habits ...
Now because I have known Nessa a long time, I know that she is a sweetheart (and she ACTS like she can't play, but whatever)! LOL!
But to the judgment crew, she lives in the state where people go to gamble and get married quick (instead of waiting on God to say when - in their opinion). So...it's bad enough that the service starts late, but then you have a lady there who lives in the state that serves as home to SIN CITY...guilt by association.
Sjon is a teacher...he works with kids....surely some of his co-workers have yelled at a child or put their hands on them (not necessarily in a sexual nature). So...the service starts late, there's a potential child abuser in the congregation. Whoa! We better not hang around him either. We might end up beating up children too (even though we have no proof that HE has ever, we just know that he works with kids and people who may have been abusive)!
NJ is an ELDER in the Apostolic church. But he has friends who don't "necessarily" believe as he does, yet he hangs with them, talks to them, prays for/with them, feels their hurt when they are going through (even when I was Baptist!!!). That's a shame. They should put him out of the church for mingling outside of his denomination too. Not to mention that the brother can dress T. D. Jakes DOWN when it comes to buying a suit! See? Now he's conceited and into fashion...it ain't about God. Put him out the church!
Themidiroom is an OWNER of a studio, yet so many people on LGM are trying to record and he has all the hookups but (to those who don't really know) he ain't trying to help nobody...put him out! He's selfish!
LOL...
NONSENSE!!!! But in the eyes of the judgment crew, it's fact...PSYCHO BABBLE...UNFOUNDED...but still fact, by their definition!
IGNORANCE RULZ!!!
*smh* :D :D :D
I wasn't gone say nothing because we have been on the subject sooo many times.
#1, talk about HIJACKED thread!! My goodness.
#2, we have no clue why certain people hang with certain people. Nor is it our business. WHATEVER!! How do we know that the so called straight man is not the so called gay persons prayer partner (unlikely but WE DON'T KNOW), and the so called gay person has confided in the so called straight person to try and help him and minster to him.
#3, so if I have a gay brother, am I not suppose to hang out with him because he is gay or appears to be gay? What in the world, does that make me gay to ahh NO. Hate the sin, and not the person.
Most of all love and pray for them.
And you say that people should be ashamed to hang out with people that do thus and so, WHO ARE YOU HANGING WITH? Do you know what they do 24/7? More over, do they know what you do? Just asking?
No I don't have to watch anybody and decide nothing, I have to watch MYSELF!
COSIGN
Calm down. I regret that I've given off the impression of being judgemental and unforgiving. I was molested by a girl at church when I was 12. I was on a one-way train to being a confused lesbian but God saved me. And my father was sleeping with men when he first got married and he also got deliverance which I didn't find out about his former lifestyle until I told him my big secret. All I'm saying is be proactive. The devil has already set you up before you can realize it. If we can get to people before he gets to them it will save them heartache. If anyone takes in people who are lost it's me, to a fault, but I influence them, not them influencing me.
Calm down. I regret that I've given off the impression of being judgemental and unforgiving. I was molested by a girl at church when I was 12. I was on a one-way train to being a confused lesbian but God saved me. And my father was sleeping with men when he first got married and he also got deliverance which I didn't find out about his former lifestyle until I told him my big secret. All I'm saying is be proactive. The devil has already set you up before you can realize it. If we can get to people before he gets to them it will save them heartache. If anyone takes in people who are lost it's me, to a fault, but I influence them, not them influencing me. Here is a lesson learned: Stick to the gospel keyboard/piano page. :(
Calm down. I regret that I've given off the impression of being judgemental and unforgiving. I was molested by a girl at church when I was 12. I was on a one-way train to being a confused lesbian but God saved me. And my father was sleeping with men when he first got married and he also got deliverance which I didn't find out about his former lifestyle until I told him my big secret. All I'm saying is be proactive. The devil has already set you up before you can realize it. If we can get to people before he gets to them it will save them heartache. If anyone takes in people who are lost it's me, to a fault, but I influence them, not them influencing me. Here is a lesson learned: Stick to the gospel keyboard/piano page. :(girl, no! you are just as entitled to your thoughts on the subject and the respectful expression of those thoughts (btw, you express yourself quite well) as anyone else.
Calm down. I regret that I've given off the impression of being judgemental and unforgiving. I was molested by a girl at church when I was 12. I was on a one-way train to being a confused lesbian but God saved me. And my father was sleeping with men when he first got married and he also got deliverance which I didn't find out about his former lifestyle until I told him my big secret. All I'm saying is be proactive. The devil has already set you up before you can realize it. If we can get to people before he gets to them it will save them heartache. If anyone takes in people who are lost it's me, to a fault, but I influence them, not them influencing me. Here is a lesson learned: Stick to the gospel keyboard/piano page. :(
Littlelamb,
Praise God for keeping you in the midst of Satan's ploys. Here at LGM we are a family. If your brother offends you then go to them, but please do not leave. Go sit down and let me warm up the cobbler so Kept can come over and apologize...
Can we ALL get some cobbler? ;D
Things I learned from LGM:
Redd's Cobbler squashes all disagreements
I may have to test the theory, but I assume that SisterT's gumbo has the same effect. LOL
I think it's a seasonal thing. Redd's cobbler for the fall and winter, and sjon's grill for the spring and summer.
WoW...The kid gets sick and misses all this. So where we at now?
Calm down. I regret that I've given off the impression of being judgemental and unforgiving. I was molested by a girl at church when I was 12. I was on a one-way train to being a confused lesbian but God saved me. And my father was sleeping with men when he first got married and he also got deliverance which I didn't find out about his former lifestyle until I told him my big secret. All I'm saying is be proactive. The devil has already set you up before you can realize it. If we can get to people before he gets to them it will save them heartache. If anyone takes in people who are lost it's me, to a fault, but I influence them, not them influencing me. Here is a lesson learned: Stick to the gospel keyboard/piano page. :(
Ok, I'm sorry. Here's an addendum everyone. A real man ... Knows how to build a bookshelf from scratch. Also he can kill roaches and bugs and spiders and change my flat tire.
Yo I can build a computer from the ground up does that make me a real man too? I cant build a bookshelf tho!! (Splinters are not for me!!)
Yo I can build a computer from the ground up does that make me a real man too? I cant build a bookshelf tho!! (Splinters are not for me!!)
Just to add a point... yes, they need to be in the church... to get saved/restored. They don't (as with any sin-practicing person) need to be FUNCTIONING in the church.
Just to add a point... yes, they need to be in the church... to get saved/restored. They don't (as with any sin-practicing person) need to be FUNCTIONING in the church.
Agreed! But you run a fine line with accusing someone of sin with no proof!!! God usually brings hidden sinners doing ministry to light and that's when you deal with them!!!!
We're on the same page, bruh. ;D
And even leading up to that point... know them that labor among you.
Things I learned from LGM:
Redd's Cobbler squashes all disagreements
I may have to test the theory, but I assume that SisterT's gumbo has the same effect. LOL
But could you ever really know them that labor among you!? ;D
goes to grab some snacks. :D
Just to add a point... yes, they need to be in the church... to get saved/restored. They don't (as with any sin-practicing person) need to be FUNCTIONING in the church.
That's how we do on LGM. Jesus and Food can solve all problems : ))
LOL...I'd rather have a man that can build me a computer...I can buy a book shelf for less money... :D
JUST EAT THE COBBLER!!!!! EAT THE COBBLER!!!!
*goes to the fridge for the ice cream*
Woman just eat the vegetables, COBBLER goes right to the hips!!!Boy, do you really wanna stand between my fork and this cobbler? Really?
In that is the case, then none of us are worthy to function in the church. We ALL have sins. Yes even your pastor is a sinner. Just because people hide thier sins, doesnt make them any better than someone whos sins are more aparent. If its not one sin its another. Yall negroes talk like yall dont ever sin.
Boy, do you really wanna stand between my fork and this cobbler? Really?
Hahahahaha! You eat girl!!! I love me a thick woman!!!
Ok ... is the person who started the post allowed to end it? That would be me. PLEASE!!!!!!! Lord A' Mercy! That's enough on the subject I think. We went around in a bunch of circles and came back to point A like in philosophy class.
No one made any points that I didn't expect them to make except the one about RuPaul not being gay, but nevermind. I also didn't expect there to be such a gray area about whether someone is gay or not. It's neither here nor there now.
I am actually the poster child and the biggest proponent of loving the sinner and disliking the sin and restoring each one. Anyway the original post was about order in the church. It morphed into this ugly discussion about fashion and style, a man's affectations, what's a real man, and I put my personal business out in the street to a bunch of people I don't know.
Slow down, man. READ my post. I said sin PRACTICERS. There IS a difference.
You are right "littlelamb", black people are OUT OF ORDER! Just look at this thread. :D j/k
Or am I not kidding? lol
You are right "littlelamb", black people are OUT OF ORDER! Just look at this thread. :D j/k
Or am I not kidding? lol
Not too much, now. :)
Why do we always have to be out of order? Case in point: I went to a gospel choir concert this past weekend. Where I'm from gospel choirs are like street gangs. They have concerts so they can out-sing each other and they actually have rivalry and everything.
Here's how it went:
1) It started late, of course. I got there when it was supposed to start. Actually got there late on purpose and sat for 45 minutes.
2) When it was time to start none of the choirs that were supposed to sing were there. So, the person in charge sang a solo to waste time. And then another person sang a solo and then another person sang a solo.
3) There was no sound guy. There was so much feedback it was ridiculous.
4) They had wayyyyy too many choirs on the schedule. For one, y'all behind because you started late and then there's like 10 different groups who are supposed to sing.
5) I kept seeing people snacks. I thought they were going to the corner store but when I left I saw a glass case with drinks in it and snacks.
6) One of the leaders got up and said "Some of my choir members are outside" so I'm gonna start anyway.
7) The choir members who were outside came in during the middle of the song and got up to sing like nothing. Tacky!!!
8) They kept changing out band members for each group which is fine. But they were coming up in the middle of someone else's song to set up. Y'all couldn't chip in to get 2 keyboards and a drums set that everyone could use for the night.
8) Why we gotta be so loud? Loud does not equal anointing. It doesn't even equal intensity. More people doesn't mean a better sound. It just means more LOUD. It also means that we can't understand what you're saying. Isn't the point of gospel music the message.
9) People kept adding stuff into their songs like, "I know y'all ready to go home but ..." and "I know it's getting late but ..." and then kept singing. If you know it's getting late then wrap the song up and sit down.
10) It looked like a RuPaul convention. I've never seen so many effeminate boys at one event. Why do they gravitate to the church choir?
My spirit was grieved. I don't know about anyone else. I'm sure God was either laughing or even worse crying.
Though this thread was hijacked, I believe that some strong points were made by brother Herm and littlelamb. First off much respect to the both of them for letting the lord use their delieverance as a testimony for others who are struggling with all manners of sexual sin. We must remember that satan loves that we segregate sexual sins because he can continue to lead other generations of people down that perverse path. I for one struggled with sexuality. I was propositioned by men and nearly fell among the thieves of homosexuality but thanks be to GOD!! I know all to well what Herm is saying... The world's definition of of man has been poorly defined in the church as well!! To get over the shame of being propositioned, I became a professional fornicator.... Let's tell the truth brothers. Many of us have used sex with women as a means to ease our minds of the confusion of why some "gay dude" wanted to get with us...Very insightful. Thanks for your words of encouragement for me and Herman. I think that my point (which I didn't bring across well) was, that we have to be really, really careful about who our young people are influenced by AT CHURCH. My biggest concern is the youth and the kids going out into the world unprepared and ill-equipped. I think we are ready for people that come out of the world into church because we see them as outsiders and already expect them to be sinning. We put our guards down when it comes to the evil that is at church already.
The black and world community still holds on to the black stud as the most desired sexual experience. The validation that people seek is preyed upon by the "recruiters" of homosexuality.(men and women) Instead of people finding our self-worth in God, Parents, and healthy community relationships, people find their self-worth in possessions, positions and sexual prowess. This especially reigns true in the black community. That's why JL king made so much money. It wasn't that he exposed anything. The gay community knew about the DL for years. The hook was that Black men who were believed to be so manly in sports, sex and other physical attributes could be gay!!! It is people like Herm and littlelamb who are highly coveted in GOD's kingdom!!!
Their words and sentiments can spark true change in people's lives. I pray that you two get in the flow of the lords anointing over your lives so that you may get about the business of driving demons!!!! I feel that bruh... I really do.. Transparency is what the Lord desires of us..... I'm so sick of these weak and sinful church leaders hiding behind their own sin thus blocking the true delieverance of the massess... I wish Jesus would hurry and comeback.. >:(
We put our guards down when it comes to the evil that is at church already.
Four pages and counting. Now that the whole gay issue has been brought into the conversation, i foresee this thread running 8 or more pages. :-\
I outgrew those concerts and musicals a long time ago. In Atlanta, I would go just to show my support and drop off my offering, then, I'd BOUNCE.
Why sow a seed in bad ground?
Its official...I am a prophet.
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Whoever makes the last post on this thread wins $1,000.
LOL!!! I swear I have been to this EXACT event, lol.
At least we got some dialogue going on the subject. It seems there's only one person who has a problem with what I said. I would be worried if everyone ignored the problem.WOW!!! This sounds like I wrote it. It's almost spooky. Power to you girl, you are going to get some guff and will most likely get your threads locked but power to you.
The truth is we're living in dangerous times. These are end times. Our youth and adults are dying and thinking they are going to heaven because they go to church and sing in the choir. Homosexuality is a spirit and not something to play with. If you let it linger it will take over. It's one thing which the "black" church allows so that we can have a great choir. I'm sorry, if that's what we have to put up with for a choir where everyone can "sang" then we just need to do without a choir.
To ignore a boy with lip gloss on would be to ignore the obvious. Aids and black men on the down-low is a problem in the black community period whether they look the part or not. I know the difference between a boy/man who is effeminate for whatever reason and one who is OUT and in the choir. The line is thin. If he/she continues on that path in their youth and is hanging around that spirit it won't be long before they get caught up. Guess what? If there is a church with a lot of gay activity it's either because the pastor allows it there or they are part of it. It's the pastor's job to watch over their flock and do some teaching on what the word says about it. What we have now is pastors who ignore it. Why? As I said, for the choir. If they need to take some service time to discuss, fornication, homosexuality, AIDS, the high rate of pregnancy, abortion then so be it. The funny thing is black people are generally homophobic in relation to whites but we'll allow it church and no one wants to talk about it.
Of course, we need sinners of all kinds to come to church but they need to be in a state of conversion. In fact, if the pastor aint right they need to sit down for a while too. Any spirit, like fornication, not just homosexuality, will run through the church and before you know it take over. It would be best if some of them sat down for a while and got some deliverance. We could also talk about the catholic church and priests molesting young boys but I was talking about that particular concert. If you don't live in New Orleans you can't really comment. Not that we have a corner on the market but, in some ways we do. Any city that allows for something like Mardi Gras is going to have some serious spirits lingering. People come here, act a fool, leave their mess here and go home and we are paying for it. We've got tons of churches - one on every corner - and tons of people going to hell.
Wow. Only one person had a problem? Ok. And you actually SAW a man stand in the mirror and put on lip gloss? It must have thrilled you to some extent to stay and watch. God forbid if his lips were dry and that was lip BALM. Then you'd be a liar and a "false accuser of the bretheren". Wow.
In this world you're never going to win. You're always too gay, too black or too saved. They start gay churches (which i think is sick) but i kinda get why they do. In the REAL church they're hopeless outcasts. Da.......Dang!
I know im late but just out of curiousity
Consider boy Jay's from America's next top model
Is he gay...feminine?
Or maybe he is just as str8 as the rest of you wonderful men of God...and just didnt have a father...or maybe he did have a father... hmmm... by the looks of this thread... im sure this can be an option.... as well as for the rest of these guys....
If we couldn't, then the Word wouldn't tell us to do it. ;D
I know im late but just out of curiousity
Consider boy Jay's from America's next top model
Is he gay...feminine?
Or maybe he is just as str8 as the rest of you wonderful men of God...and just didnt have a father...or maybe he did have a father... hmmm... by the looks of this thread... im sure this can be an option.... as well as for the rest of these guys....
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Personally, I don't find it to be sick at all. Only a fool would continue to come to a place where they're being mocked, ridiculed, bashed, and abused, and where they aren't wanted. Consider this very thread. The OP started off by posing the question, "why do they flock to the church choirs" (indirect quote)? That question implies that they are not wanted in the church choirs because of their sexuality. Okay, so if they aren't wanted there, and they don't want to be straight, or are trying to be straight, but having a hard time becoming straight, what should they do? Stay home? Drop out of church?
I got news for ya: many of them do. Too many. And some pastors feel that burden, so they build open-door churches (usually called "inclusive") where gays and all other sinners are welcome. To me, there's nothing sick about that. In fact, it's healing. They are shown love and acceptance. Some of them are loved right out of their sin. Some are not.
You gotta remember that while many pastors do, with pure hearts, preach the word that God gave them, exactly as He gave it: with lovingkindness; there are many others who rant, bash, and abuse people who don't look or walk like them. These folks get all up in the flesh and use their pulpit as the perfect opportunity to say all the things they've been thinking all their lives, whether God told them to say it or not. So, where should these outcasts go? They're abused in the church (many of them), but they love the Lord. Most of them were born and raised in the church, and can't find a place there now. So, where should they go, Herman?
Is this your church's chior???
Its obvious that the 1st, 3rd, and last dudes are gay, just by thier clothes. Why would a straight man where a pink tank top or a ladies jacket? and Why does one of them have a purse by thier feet?
They really do have Gay churches, where everbody is gay, (even the pastor) and they have no intent of changing thier ways
They really do have Gay churches, where everbody is gay, (even the pastor) and they have no intent of changing thier ways
where do you want them to go? Should they just keep going to the churches that bash and tear them down? Should they stay home? Where should they go?Interesting question. Who has the answer?
Interesting question. Who has the answer?
Some super-holy straight person, I'm sure... LOL :D :D :DJesus? ;D
Jesus? ;D
If i'm not mistaken ( this picture )...this is the talk among black college students, especially AKA's. There is an organization called MIAKA's! They view themselves as male AKA's. Notice how majority of them have on pink and green! I can get ya more pics if you don't believe me, but it driving some people crazy!
If i'm not mistaken ( this picture )...this is the talk among black college students, especially AKA's. There is an organization called MIAKA's! They view themselves as male AKA's. Notice how majority of them have on pink and green! I can get ya more pics if you don't believe me, but it driving some people crazy!
I'm well aware of that. In fact, I've worked for a couple of them *gasp*!
Again, where do you want them to go? Clearly, most churches don't want them "prancing" around their sanctuaries, singing in their choirs, ushering on their usher boards, or even walking through their doors... so again, where do you want them to go?
You (not you specifically) don't want them in your church, but you don't want them to have their own church... you just want them to wake up and be straight. Well, it doesn't work that way for everyone, so until their "deliverance" comes, where do you want them to go? Should they just keep going to the churches that bash and tear them down? Should they stay home? Where should they go?
Where should they go? ?/? Maybe the should go to church as well counseling. I'm sure there has to be an organization that helps people overcome homosexuality
i had a best friend who all my life people constantly asked me if that man was gay... i knew he wasnt but they only thought that because he hung around girls and he matched.... he had no "gay" characteristics (notice the quotation marks for people who get easily roused) they just didnt like him around girls alot.. little did they know back then he was screwin all of them... but if he ever put on some lip glass,,,,or carried a purse... he would have heard from me because if u dont want anyone to think that about you ... dont do no nonsense like carring a clutch and wearing eye shadow.. some things (if u really were gay and wanted to be delivered) God has to work out of you but somethings u can easily just give up...ie ....throw away your make up...I heard some interesting talk at the barbershop this weekend. The guys were talking about this gay barber that works there and how his friends are all fine women. It was the first time I'd ever heard discussion about some gay guy and they weren't bashing him. They actually said they liked hanging out with him because he knew were all the girls were. I thought I was in the twilight zone.
Perhaps you missed something.
If they are being bashed, ridiculed, mocked, and torn down in the church, why would they go back to that church for more? Okay, so let's say they go to counseling to "overcome" their sexuality. Do you think any reputable psychologist in the world would recommend they go to the same church that bashes them, abuses them, teases them, ridicules them, mocks them, and tears them down?
Again I ask, where should they go?
Only a no-self-esteem-having fool would stay in a place where they're being consistently torn down.
I hear you loud and clear. They dont have to go to the same church. There is always another church they can go to to start over again. The only reason they are being ridiculed is beause of their femineme swagger and thier sexual reputation thoughout that church. If they change the way they dress, the way they walk and talk, and the way they act in church then they wont be harrassed at thier new church
LOL and SMH...
I won't even bother to respond to that. We're not on the same level, hon.
If i'm not mistaken ( this picture )...this is the talk among black college students, especially AKA's. There is an organization called MIAKA's! They view themselves as male AKA's. Notice how majority of them have on pink and green! I can get ya more pics if you don't believe me, but it driving some people crazy!
can someone tell me what smh means?shaking my head
There is a dude at my home church, who is gay. I sure most of the church doesnt even know he's gay (yet) He doesnt dress like a girl, he doesnt talk like a girl, he doesnt act like a girl (that I know of). Honestly I'd be less bothered by someone like him as opposed to someone who is Flashing his gayness all over the place. When they do that, they show that they are proud to be gay, and for some reason that just bothers me more.
These dudes have twisted what MIAKA was truly created for. I've read things where these idiots were saying that they planned to show up at the National Conference. They're gonna mess around and catch a beat down from a bunche of women.
Plus I don't see why they have to claim AKA. From my understanding there are plenty of gay frats, and sororities out there that they could become members of. I don;t neccessarly endorse being gay, but don't try to force it on the mainstream. If you're going to do it, then do your own thing.
shaking my headI prefer to use this
LOL and SMH...
I won't even bother to respond to that. We're not on the same level, hon.
Personally, I don't find it to be sick at all. Only a fool would continue to come to a place where they're being mocked, ridiculed, bashed, and abused, and where they aren't wanted. Consider this very thread. The OP started off by posing the question, "why do they flock to the church choirs" (indirect quote)? That question implies that they are not wanted in the church choirs because of their sexuality. Okay, so if they aren't wanted there, and they don't want to be straight, or are trying to be straight, but having a hard time becoming straight, what should they do? Stay home? Drop out of church?
I got news for ya: many of them do. Too many. And some pastors feel that burden, so they build open-door churches (usually called "inclusive") where gays and all other sinners are welcome. To me, there's nothing sick about that. In fact, it's healing. They are shown love and acceptance. Some of them are loved right out of their sin. Some are not.
You gotta remember that while many pastors do, with pure hearts, preach the word that God gave them, exactly as He gave it: with lovingkindness; there are many others who rant, bash, and abuse people who don't look or walk like them. These folks get all up in the flesh and use their pulpit as the perfect opportunity to say all the things they've been thinking all their lives, whether God told them to say it or not. So, where should these outcasts go? They're abused in the church (many of them), but they love the Lord. Most of them were born and raised in the church, and can't find a place there now. So, where should they go, Herman?
Re: Jay, I don't know whether he's gay. You'd have to ask him. I've never been in his bedroom, and I doubt anyone here has. I could speculate, but why?
And uh, do you know those gentlemen whose pictures you posted here? Just curious. It's a small world, sis.
A completely gay church seems like a refuge of comfort rather than a place of deliverance.
A completely gay church seems like a refuge of comfort rather than a place of deliverance. I admit, I am not knowledgable on the matter and would like some insight.
Then a year ago I was looking at musician job classifieds on craigslist, and there was an ad by a gay church looking for musician. Of course I did not reply to the ad. but before that I never knew that they existedSo would you have to be gay in order to play at a gay church? How would they screen you? rhetorical questions of course.
So would you have to be gay in order to play at a gay church? How would they screen you? rhetorical questions of course.
Perhaps you missed something.That quote should not be only for gay people, but anybody.
If they are being bashed, ridiculed, mocked, and torn down in the church, why would they go back to that church for more? Okay, so let's say they go to counseling to "overcome" their sexuality. Do you think any reputable psychologist in the world would recommend they go to the same church that bashes them, abuses them, teases them, ridicules them, mocks them, and tears them down?
Again I ask, where should they go?
Only a no-self-esteem-having fool would stay in a place where they're being consistently torn down.
So would you have to be gay in order to play at a gay church? How would they screen you? rhetorical questions of course.
I don't agree with churches that bash sinners. I've had a pastor that corrected me as soon as they realized I was sinning. As soon as I was corrected, the matter was left alone. Noone bashed me. Had that happened, I would have left. On the the other hand, I found comfort amongst friends because I knew they would accept my sin but it did not warrant my deliverance. A completely gay church seems like a refuge of comfort rather than a place of deliverance. I admit, I am not knowledgable on the matter and would like some insight.
No, you wouldn't. I know of many, many gay churches; two of them have straight musicians. They screen potential musicians the same way any other church would. They want to know about your skill, work ethic, relationship with God, spiritual beliefs, experience, and personality.At these churches, are the openly gay people allowed to work in ministry? Or do they only allow the ones who are trying to change?
Indeed, many inclusive churches provide refuge for gay people. If there were more straight churches that provided that refuge, the inclusive churches wouldn't need to exist. The reality is that many, many "straight" churches do indeed bash and abuse gay people. The opinion that U13 shared is commonly held among many pastors: if they just stop walking and talking so feminine, maybe they won't get harassed in church. Well, to that, I'd say: if WE start walking and talking like Jesus, NOBODY would be harassed in church regardless of what they look like, smell like, act like, sound like, or regardless of who they sleep with.
NOBODY should be harassed or abused in church. Nobody. And as long as we continue harassing people, inclusive churches will continue to be built, providing safety and refuge for the abused.
For the record, the churches I'm familiar with are not "completely gay" churches, as you referenced. They are inclusive churches that basically accept EVERYONE as they are, and make a commitment not to bash or ridicule anyone for whatever lifestyle they live. Most of them do preach deliverance from sin, and provide counseling services for those who want freedom from whatever sin they struggle with. Their goal is not to make anyone feel GOOD about their sexuality, but to provide a place of safety in a church setting. Every single inclusive church I know of has an abundance of heterosexual members, although the majority is gay. In fact, the most prominent inclusive church in Atlanta has an assistant pastor who is straight, married, with children.
Well, to that, I'd say: if WE start walking and talking like Jesus, NOBODY would be harassed in church regardless of what they look like, smell like, act like, sound like, or regardless of who they sleep with.Isn't that how it should be at church in general?
Isn't that how it should be at church in general?
At these churches, are the openly gay people allowed to work in ministry? Or do they only allow the ones who are trying to change?
The opinion that U13 shared is commonly held among many pastors: if they just stop walking and talking so feminine, maybe they won't get harassed in church. Well, to that, I'd say: if WE start walking and talking like Jesus, NOBODY would be harassed in church regardless of what they look like, smell like, act like, sound like, or regardless of who they sleep with.
Personally, I don't find it to be sick at all. Only a fool would continue to come to a place where they're being mocked, ridiculed, bashed, and abused, and where they aren't wanted. Consider this very thread. The OP started off by posing the question, "why do they flock to the church choirs" (indirect quote)? That question implies that they are not wanted in the church choirs because of their sexuality. Okay, so if they aren't wanted there, and they don't want to be straight, or are trying to be straight, but having a hard time becoming straight, what should they do? Stay home? Drop out of church?
I got news for ya: many of them do. Too many. And some pastors feel that burden, so they build open-door churches (usually called "inclusive") where gays and all other sinners are welcome. To me, there's nothing sick about that. In fact, it's healing. They are shown love and acceptance. Some of them are loved right out of their sin. Some are not.
You gotta remember that while many pastors do, with pure hearts, preach the word that God gave them, exactly as He gave it: with lovingkindness; there are many others who rant, bash, and abuse people who don't look or walk like them. These folks get all up in the flesh and use their pulpit as the perfect opportunity to say all the things they've been thinking all their lives, whether God told them to say it or not. So, where should these outcasts go? They're abused in the church (many of them), but they love the Lord. Most of them were born and raised in the church, and can't find a place there now. So, where should they go, Herman?
Re: Jay, I don't know whether he's gay. You'd have to ask him. I've never been in his bedroom, and I doubt anyone here has. I could speculate, but why?
And uh, do you know those gentlemen whose pictures you posted here? Just curious. It's a small world, sis.
I agree with the fact that they'll have nowhere to go. My problem is when they start these gay churches and start teaching that the lifestyle is RIGHT when God clearly says it's not.
That's the sick part.
It's like the gays lose either way.
I agree with the fact that they'll have nowhere to go. My problem is when they start these gay churches and start teaching that the lifestyle is RIGHT when God clearly says it's not.
That's the sick part.
It's like the gays lose either way.
EXACTLY!!! Just calling it a gay church is demeaning enough, it just implies that they believe being gay is right.
So do you agree? yes or no please
If you dont act femineme or tell people your orientation, people wont even know you are gay. These people want everyone to know that they are gay.
Those who harass them arent any better than the gays. "They will know we are christians by our love" by harassing them you arent acting very christian. I think that a lot of church folks are homophobic and feel that if they defend gays, then people might question thier sexuality.
2. I've yet to hear an inclusive church refer to itself as a "gay" church. Usually that designation comes from people who don't belong to that church.
Oh, my bad. We accept gay people in our church. They just can't hold a position unless they change their lifestyle, as well as any other person who openly confesses to committing sin.
I don't care if a man walks around with spiral curls, a Mac face, 4 inch heels and a patent leather pocketbook full of sugar.
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None of that matters, though. The bottom line is that you can teach, correct, and instruct in LOVE, or you can do it in a way so that people feel beat down, abused, ridiculed, mocked, and teased. Christians should teach the way Jesus did, and that's really all there is to it. I don't care if a man walks around with spiral curls, a Mac face, 4 inch heels and a patent leather pocketbook full of sugar. There is NO EXCUSE for a Christian to harass or ridicule him at all. There is no excuse for a Christian to do anything over than instruct him in the Word, teach him the ways of Jesus Christ (in word AND in deed) and minister restoration to him in love and meekness. We should not take the "why are they flocking to our choirs" attitude, nor should we make them feel so unwanted that they leave, and then get mad when they join a fellowship where they feel loved.
That is my argument, that has always been my argument, and it will always be my argument.
Oh, my bad. We accept gay people in our church. They just can't hold a position unless they change their lifestyle, as well as any other person who openly confesses to committing sin.
It seems that churches only punish those whose sins they know about.
You, sir, have hit my point square on the head. If "church in general" was doing what it should be doing, nobody would be harassed in church, and needing to go find a different one where they could feel safe.
Three of the inclusive churches I know of have gay pastors, so yeah, they're definitely allowed to work in ministry in those three churches. LOL
The other ones that have heterosexual pastors, I believe they also allow openly gay people to work in ministry. I don't think they really ask questions about the candidates' sexuality before putting them in position... when I worked for those churches, I never asked about people's sexuality before determining whether they were qualified to be a leader. And because I was an outside consultant, I didn't know who was "openly gay" and who wasn't. I had no choice but to fill positions based on merit, resume, experience, spirit/attitude, spiritual maturity, work ethic, etc. I suspect the other churches do it that way as well.
Is it just me or do most (of us) assume there's some lifestyle or activity that all gay people must engage in? What if you're just gay because of the attraction to the same sex but you don't act on it.
Let the flames begin.
Again, a series of posts that are missing the POINT. Of course sinners of all kinds who are still in their sin need to be at church BUT HOW MUCH INFLUENCE DO THEY HAVE AT THE CHURCH????????????? They should have very little. How much influence do they have on the other people around them at church? They should have very little. How much influence do they have on your children? They should have very little. If they have so much influence that we are are tip-toeing around their sin so they will stay at church then it's wrong. There will always be a church that will let them stay in their sin. Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay.Good points. And thats what i think it boils down to. Nobody wants themselves or thier children to be influenced by active homos in church. There is enough of that kinda stuff in "the world", why should someone have to go to church and have to put up with this kinda crap?
There is a difference between someone who came OUT of the world INTO the church and has already been in that lifestyle. Then there are those who started IN church are now gay because they picked up that spirit at church. I'm talking about the latter. AND if someone comes out of the world who is gay and into the church and sees that they can fit right in without changing there is a problem.
Then there are those who started IN church are now gay because they picked up that spirit at church.Does anybody know somebody that was straight and saw a gay person at church and thought it would be cool to convert?
Does anybody know somebody that was straight and saw a gay person at church and thought it would be cool to convert?
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No one in their right mind would choose to "convert" to homosexuality. Who would knowingly subject themselves to rejection from their families, society, workplace, and church? Who would knowingly subject themselves to the humiliation, scorn, ridicule, and teasing? Who would knowingly subject themselves to the spiritual conflict and emotional turmoil gay believers face every day of their lives?
Does anybody know somebody that was straight and saw a gay person at church and thought it would be cool to convert?
She's saying that it's a SPIRIT that straight people can "pick up" without knowing they've picked it up. So, they're not thinking it'd be cool to convert, they're waking up suddenly one day with uncontrollable urges and they got the spirit from someone at church.Ummmm yeah. Next thread please
Does anybody know somebody that was straight and saw a gay person at church and thought it would be cool to convert?
Ugh, I don't know about that one. I can't speak for everywhere, but I know for a fact that in many of my surrounding schools, homosexuality is actually considered "cool". Why it's considered cool, I don't know, but a lot of people (mainly students) flaunt it as if it's the equivalent of a master's degree. :-\
Perhaps what you're witnessing is "gay pride." That's not the same as thinking it's "cool." That's more along the lines of developing pride in who you are... kinda like working with what you have... making lemonade out of lemons.In 'mainstream' culture it is no longer taboo to be gay.(or not like it used to be) They even have thier own Cable channel, and believe it or not, they as a group are respected more than African Americans by Politicians and other organiztions.
I can only take your word for it, since I'm not at your school, but that's my take on it.
In 'mainstream' culture it is no longer taboo to be gay.(or not like it used to be) They even have thier own Cable channel, and believe it or not, they as a group are respected more than African Americans by Politicians and other organiztions.Perception is really something isn't it folks.
Perception is really something isn't it folks.
*walks into thread and begins to read....slowly looks at themidiroom's post about str8 folk convertin to.....*Hey, don't blame this mess on me.
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Perception is really something isn't it folks.
Hey, don't blame this mess on me.
Alls I know is if you're str8 and you convert, then you probably weren't all that str8 to begin with. Just my take on it.
Have you guys seen the commercials telling us to be sensitive and not to discriminate towards gays, or something like?Well I was never a gay kid, but I'd suspect that the kids that are gay were already gay but now they don't feel as ashamed about it as they would have been. A lot of people think that a person would be inclined to participate in gay behavior just because it's out there and somewhat accepted by some. I'm not one of those people.
The media is telling kids that nothing is wrong with being gay, and you know how much power they have over young people.
The Bible still teaches that it's wrong. Kids are to be taught with balance.Right you are and that teaching needs to come from the parents, not the media. The media really doesn't care who's gay or not, only where their money is coming from. If a child is confused about his or her sexuality or if they think they are gay, they should have a good enough relationship with the parents to discuss it.
Right you are and that teaching needs to come from the parents, not the media. The media really doesn't care who's gay or not, only where their money is coming from. If a child is confused about his or her sexuality or if they think they are gay, they should have a good enough relationship with the parents to discuss it.
I agree, but I dont think too many young people would be comfortable telling thier parents something like that. Well I know I wouldnt
A real man...Why is that? Do tell. ;D
I hate that phrase.
Hate it.
Why is that? Do tell. ;DI would guess, because, There are many differnent deffinitions of what a 'man' is. Just because a guy looks like a man on the outside, doesnt mean he is a 'real man'. The are plenty of men who dress like a 'man', talk like a 'man' and act like a 'man'. And that same dude will go home and beat his wife, curse his mother and not pay his child support. There are many femineme men who are more of a man than a lot of the dudes walkin 'round acting masculine.
Why is that? Do tell. ;D
Maybe a bad choice of words on my part but y'all know what I mean right? A "confident and secure" man. Better?I assumed that your use "real man" is referring to the content of his character. That's all that matters anyway for real IMO.
Or you could approach your pastor, hmm.... on second thought, I dunno about that after reading the "calling out" thread. Imagine from the pulpit "I got a visit from Deacon Pettegrew's son last week, he was crying and told me he thought he may be gay, somebody say gay ..."
PLEASE DONT KILL ME FOR ASKING
....But has there ever been any LGM members who have openly expressed if they were homosexual? Just curious.... We can obiviously tell by the diversity of opinions that everybody believes something different in reference to this issue and how it should be handled in the body of Christ... So i was just wondering... not that i want to know who they are... I just thought it would be interesting to see what their thoughts would be regarding this topic...
2 young men have, and they were both delivered. Do a search if you care that much. (dont pm me askin who it was)
PLEASE DONT KILL ME FOR ASKING
....But has there ever been any LGM members who have openly expressed if they were homosexual? Just curious.... We can obiviously tell by the diversity of opinions that everybody believes something different in reference to this issue and how it should be handled in the body of Christ... So i was just wondering... not that i want to know who they are... I just thought it would be interesting to see what their thoughts would be regarding this topic...
I knew i put that in there somewhere.....
I remember saying curious as welll... I guess i should proof read more often
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PLEASE DONT KILL ME FOR ASKING
....But has there ever been any LGM members who have openly expressed if they were homosexual? Just curious.... We can obiviously tell by the diversity of opinions that everybody believes something different in reference to this issue and how it should be handled in the body of Christ... So i was just wondering... not that i want to know who they are... I just thought it would be interesting to see what their thoughts would be regarding this topic...
LGM Family,
Many of us were sincere in our opinions about this complex issue of sexuality in the church. Biblically, sexual immorality was a huge challenge in the early church. Pagan influence ran rampant in many of the fellowships. In today's times, sexual immorality has again reared its ugly head because we haven't been wise enough to have open dialouge about our successes, failures, fears, predjudice and ignorance. We have accepted a secular approach to the ordained principles of the spirit of God. We have a Talladega nights type of approach to how we view Jesus. For the benefit of those who aren't movie buffs consider this...
There is a scene where Will Ferrell prays to Jesus at the different stages of his life. He argues with his family at the dinner table which Jesus they should pray to. This mentality is a microcosm of how we have reduced the power of the Holyghost in the BOC. WE love the Jesus who releases us from sin but we forget about the Jesus who challenged the religious leaders of his day to repent. The same Jesus that could spit on the ground and make a salve that would open a man's eyes could also take a whip and drive some people out who weren't worthy of being in the church. I'm not saying that we take that approach for this issue but I am saying that we must remember Jesus in his quest to gather people also scattered those who didn't want to change.
The first three chapters of revelations deal with the spirit of GOD judging the seven churches. One church in particular was permitting Jezebel to teach in the church inspite of her sexual immorality. Notice it didn't say what the immorality was. It didn't say whether it was gay or straight. It said sexual immorality. Yes we can accept people into our fellowships as they are however the danger is in us not warning our people of the threat of judgement that hovers over our heads. To many times we are so focused on the day to day operations of our "ministries" as if we all have made it in already... MEN may agree with sexual deviants serving in the church but the SPIRIT OF GOD who speaks to the churches doesn't..... Read the first three chapters of Revelations if you dare... That really puts alot of our reasoning to bed.. GOD HATES SEXUAL SIN OF ANY KIND!!!!!!! IT MAKES HIM SICK.. Procreation is the closet representation of his nature that man can get in the earth realm... More on that later... peace fam
LGM Family,
Many of us were sincere in our opinions about this complex issue of sexuality in the church. Biblically, sexual immorality was a huge challenge in the early church. Pagan influence ran rampant in many of the fellowships. In today's times, sexual immorality has again reared its ugly head because we haven't been wise enough to have open dialouge about our successes, failures, fears, predjudice and ignorance. We have accepted a secular approach to the ordained principles of the spirit of God. We have a Talladega nights type of approach to how we view Jesus. For the benefit of those who aren't movie buffs consider this...
There is a scene where Will Ferrell prays to Jesus at the different stages of his life. He argues with his family at the dinner table which Jesus they should pray to. This mentality is a microcosm of how we have reduced the power of the Holyghost in the BOC. WE love the Jesus who releases us from sin but we forget about the Jesus who challenged the religious leaders of his day to repent. The same Jesus that could spit on the ground and make a salve that would open a man's eyes could also take a whip and drive some people out who weren't worthy of being in the church. I'm not saying that we take that approach for this issue but I am saying that we must remember Jesus in his quest to gather people also scattered those who didn't want to change.
The first three chapters of revelations deal with the spirit of GOD judging the seven churches. One church in particular was permitting Jezebel to teach in the church inspite of her sexual immorality. Notice it didn't say what the immorality was. It didn't say whether it was gay or straight. It said sexual immorality. Yes we can accept people into our fellowships as they are however the danger is in us not warning our people of the threat of judgement that hovers over our heads. To many times we are so focused on the day to day operations of our "ministries" as if we all have made it in already... MEN may agree with sexual deviants serving in the church but the SPIRIT OF GOD who speaks to the churches doesn't..... Read the first three chapters of Revelations if you dare... That really puts alot of our reasoning to bed.. GOD HATES SEXUAL SIN OF ANY KIND!!!!!!! IT MAKES HIM SICK.. Procreation is the closet representation of his nature that man can get in the earth realm... More on that later... peace fam
You are Definatley the Best poster on this site.
You are entitled to your own opinion... SJon, care to comment? :D :D
I really can't believe this thread has gone on this... *pauses* You know what, I'm NOT surprised about it. What I AM surprised about is the fact that I'm 'bout to give a reply.
Anywho, I think the problem we have here is the understanding the difference in having homosexuals attend your church verses having the "spirit of homosexuality" prevalent within your church.
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LGM Family,
Many of us were sincere in our opinions about this complex issue of sexuality in the church. Biblically, sexual immorality was a huge challenge in the early church. Pagan influence ran rampant in many of the fellowships. In today's times, sexual immorality has again reared its ugly head because we haven't been wise enough to have open dialouge about our successes, failures, fears, predjudice and ignorance. We have accepted a secular approach to the ordained principles of the spirit of God. We have a Talladega nights type of approach to how we view Jesus. For the benefit of those who aren't movie buffs consider this...
There is a scene where Will Ferrell prays to Jesus at the different stages of his life. He argues with his family at the dinner table which Jesus they should pray to. This mentality is a microcosm of how we have reduced the power of the Holyghost in the BOC. WE love the Jesus who releases us from sin but we forget about the Jesus who challenged the religious leaders of his day to repent. The same Jesus that could spit on the ground and make a salve that would open a man's eyes could also take a whip and drive some people out who weren't worthy of being in the church. I'm not saying that we take that approach for this issue but I am saying that we must remember Jesus in his quest to gather people also scattered those who didn't want to change.
The first three chapters of revelations deal with the spirit of GOD judging the seven churches. One church in particular was permitting Jezebel to teach in the church inspite of her sexual immorality. Notice it didn't say what the immorality was. It didn't say whether it was gay or straight. It said sexual immorality. Yes we can accept people into our fellowships as they are however the danger is in us not warning our people of the threat of judgement that hovers over our heads. To many times we are so focused on the day to day operations of our "ministries" as if we all have made it in already... MEN may agree with sexual deviants serving in the church but the SPIRIT OF GOD who speaks to the churches doesn't..... Read the first three chapters of Revelations if you dare... That really puts alot of our reasoning to bed.. GOD HATES SEXUAL SIN OF ANY KIND!!!!!!! IT MAKES HIM SICK.. Procreation is the closet representation of his nature that man can get in the earth realm... More on that later... peace fam
LGM Family,
We have a Talladega nights type of approach to how we view Jesus. For the benefit of those who aren't movie buffs consider this...
There is a scene where Will Ferrell prays to Jesus at the different stages of his life. He argues with his family at the dinner table which Jesus they should pray to. This mentality is a microcosm of how we have reduced the power of the Holyghost in the BOC. WE love the Jesus who releases us from sin but we forget about the Jesus who challenged the religious leaders of his day to repent. The same Jesus that could spit on the ground and make a salve that would open a man's eyes could also take a whip and drive some people out who weren't worthy of being in the church. I'm not saying that we take that approach for this issue but I am saying that we must remember Jesus in his quest to gather people also scattered those who didn't want to change.
You are definitely the best poster on this site.
Its because he THINKS before posting. I am also trying my hand at this "thinking" concept. It is quite novel to me. :)
I like his post cuz he's not afraid to speak his mind even when it might not be well recieved.
I think everyone would apreciate if I were to think more b4 I post :D
I agree. I also admire FS because he is usually quite informed on what he's posting about, he takes the time (usually) to read through the thread before posting, and he doesn't really care who agrees with him and who doesn't.
Well since you mentioned it... :-\
I can't speak for everyone, but I certainly would appreciate that. :)
I think everyone would apreciate if I were to think more b4 I post :DAwww c'mon, thinking is highly overrated.
I knew either you or sjon was gonna reply to that
I am a beginer on playing the drums and i dont know where to start but i kinda make up my own beats and they sound nice but i would like to know how to start! Can some one help please...thanks! :) :)
I am a beginer on playing the drums and i dont know where to start but i kinda make up my own beats and they sound nice but i would like to know how to start! Can some one help please...thanks! :) :)You might try the drum forum. At the top of your screen on the right side, click on the drums icon, that should take you there. A word of caution, enter humbly, the drum room can get a little er... rambunctious, but those fellas (and a few ladies) know their stuff and can teach you a lot.
wha happened to LilLamb anyway?