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Title: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: JFunky on February 27, 2008, 08:21:49 AM
Modern Drummer March 2008



Invert Your Rudiments

The Power Of The Paradiddle

By Jim Riley (Drummer/Bandleader - Rascal Flatts)


   I'm a big believer in the practical application of rudiments.  Rudiments are the building blocks of solid and creative drumming.  Of course, every drummer I've come in contact with can play a paradiddle.  But what about an "inverted paradiddle?"


   There are three ways to invert a paradiddle.  For this article, we're going to focus on one of those inversions.  Example 1 shows an inverted paradiddle that has the double strokes in the middle.  Take a moment to get the sticking under control.

Example 1:   (Use 16th Note Sub Division. 4/4 time sign.)   
 
                  R L L R   L R R L   R L L R   L R R L


   
   Example 2 adds an accent at the beginning of each grouping.  Remember to bring your stick up high for the accents, while keeping everything else low to the drum.


Example 2:    (Use 16th Note Sub Division. 4/4 time sign.) 

                          R L L R   L R R L   R L L R   L R R L

Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: mingusfingus on February 27, 2008, 08:55:22 AM
The second way is RRLR LLRL but what`s the 3-rd? :)
Hm, "stick control" begins with such basic stuff.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: JFunky on February 27, 2008, 09:07:50 AM
...I'm thinking its...


    R L L L   L R R R   L R R R   R L L L
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: Jedi3 on February 27, 2008, 02:29:03 PM
The third is R L R L  L R L R
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: mingusfingus on February 27, 2008, 02:52:52 PM
The third is R L R L  L R L R
ow... right
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: E.R. on February 27, 2008, 03:30:44 PM
Great Post. Great Article.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: JFunky on February 27, 2008, 04:42:44 PM
Great Post. Great Article.

...great article indeed.  I like the grooves.  Jim is definetly the truth.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: E.R. on February 27, 2008, 04:46:08 PM
...great article indeed.  I like the grooves.  Jim is definetly the truth.

Yeah, I was air drumming while reading along. haha.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: JFunky on February 27, 2008, 04:47:27 PM
Yeah, I was air drumming while reading along. haha.

...lol.  I was tapping it out on my lap at the office. lol  I know people thought I was crazy but oh well, I'm just a drummer. lol
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: E.R. on February 27, 2008, 05:03:29 PM
...lol.  I was tapping it out on my lap at the office. lol  I know people thought I was crazy but oh well, I'm just a drummer. lol

Lol. I get that alot. We have concrete floors, my desk mates get agitated when I practice my foot techniques. They say its loud, but with my noise cancellation head phones, I can't hear anything.  ;D
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: b_jizzle20 on February 27, 2008, 05:52:15 PM
Great info!! :)
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: dude-on-drums on February 27, 2008, 06:05:44 PM
Nice!  :)  Practicing right now, in front of the computer with my sticks and pad.    ;)
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: b_jizzle20 on February 27, 2008, 06:51:13 PM
Lol. I get that alot. We have concrete floors, my desk mates get agitated when I practice my foot techniques. They say its loud, but with my noise cancellation head phones, I can't hear anything.  ;D

LOL I always do that too. Im still learning my rudiments and I practice them everywhere I go... at church (during the preaching :-[), school, dinner table, in the bus shelter, on the bus....I dont know, :-\ Is this natural??
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: L.V.Drumma on February 27, 2008, 07:46:41 PM
LOL I always do that too. Im still learning my rudiments and I practice them everywhere I go... at church (during the preaching :-[), school, dinner table, in the bus shelter, on the bus....I dont know, :-\ Is this natural??

Yes, LOL.  I do that too.  Other students in my class look at me like im stupid when i beat on my desk with pencils.  The room could be dead silent then ill start a "groove" loudly and make faces sometimes, but when i realize what im doin' ill put my head down like>> :-[
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: min_amw on February 27, 2008, 09:11:16 PM
Excellent topic! Inverting rudiments.......but that would infer that one must KNOW rudiments before inverting them, right?. LOL!
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: JFunky on February 27, 2008, 09:57:03 PM
Excellent topic! Inverting rudiments.......but that would infer that one must KNOW rudiments before inverting them, right?. LOL!

...absolutely sir.  I'm only on #7.  Did you know that JoJo Mayer didn't know all of his rudiments when he came over here to the U.S. (N.Y.)  He was 26.  I'm 27.  I don't feel bad.  At least I know I'm headed in the right direction. lol
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: SabianKnight on February 27, 2008, 09:57:42 PM
...I'm thinking its...


    R L L L   L R R R   L R R R   R L L L

You are correct JFunky.

And yes Stick Control does begin with these.
The thing is that most of us have not mastered these basic sticking patterns called Rudiments let alone their Hybrids.

Once we invert a rudiment we should starting adding various ruff/diddle grace notes and randomly placed grace notes to create flams. Both of the upgrades tend to point out a weakness in our control of stick heights. Through in some accents and we never pick up the Book Stick Control,  ;D.
VICIOUS CYCLE TO GREATNESS OR MEDIOCRITY
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: SabianKnight on February 27, 2008, 10:00:21 PM
...absolutely sir.  I'm only on #7.  Did you know that JoJo Mayer didn't know all of his rudiments when he came over here to the U.S. (N.Y.)  He was 26.  I'm 27.  I don't feel bad.  At least I know I'm headed in the right direction. lol

BTW I picked up my tix yesterday for his (Jojo's) clinic this Friday!
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: E.R. on February 27, 2008, 10:47:47 PM
BTW I picked up my tix yesterday for his (Jojo's) clinic this Friday!
Hallelujah!!! I will be with you in Spirit!!!
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: b_jizzle20 on February 27, 2008, 11:55:06 PM
Yes, LOL.  I do that too.  Other students in my class look at me like im stupid when i beat on my desk with pencils.  The room could be dead silent then ill start a "groove" loudly and make faces sometimes, but when i realize what im doin' ill put my head down like>> :-[

lol whenever I start "grooving" on the desk all the black people start bobbin their heads and it usually leads to a cypher. Then the teacher gets  >:(, and we all get sent out into the hallway or the office  :-[ :D
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: mingusfingus on February 28, 2008, 01:59:02 AM
That idea of inverting paradiddles can be useful to make some cool licks like this one in 3/4
RLFFRFLRFFLR (could be arranged as snare, rack, kick, kick, floor, kick, snare, floor, kick, kick, rack, floor for example).
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: fretai03 on February 28, 2008, 02:23:01 AM
Hmmm... I've never really like paradiddles. Now I do.

Its been my achilles heel, I've now found a way to learn this & enjoy this rudiment.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: min_amw on February 28, 2008, 05:26:51 AM
BTW I picked up my tix yesterday for his (Jojo's) clinic this Friday!

That's gonna be a hot one! Wish I could be there.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: JFunky on February 28, 2008, 08:45:24 AM
BTW I picked up my tix yesterday for his (Jojo's) clinic this Friday!


...MENDOZA went to the one in New Jersey.  He was in Fla. last night.  :'(

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Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: depondrums on February 28, 2008, 10:14:13 AM
I'm loving the knowledge being passed around here.  You brothers are great.    I'm starting to get my fire back and it's thanks to these informational post that you guys put up. 

Thanks brethren.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: smarkland38 on February 28, 2008, 11:16:03 AM
What's up JFUNKY!  great post bruh! Man do i love the rudiments practicing them last night.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: JFunky on February 28, 2008, 01:32:23 PM
I'm loving the knowledge being passed around here.  You brothers are great.    I'm starting to get my fire back and it's thanks to these informational post that you guys put up. 

Thanks brethren.

What's up JFUNKY!  great post bruh! Man do i love the rudiments practicing them last night.


...I'm going to put up one more thread about a few killer exercises from John Riley.  You guys will dig 'em. ;) 
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: j_kay on February 28, 2008, 02:39:46 PM
...MENDOZA went to the one in New Jersey.  He was in Fla. last night.  :'(

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See, I didn't know about that - had I known, I would have attended, since my in-laws stay in SoFl.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: JFunky on February 28, 2008, 03:13:45 PM
See, I didn't know about that - had I known, I would have attended, since my in-laws stay in SoFl.

...dude, I found out late. :'(
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: SabianKnight on February 28, 2008, 06:04:35 PM
Hmmm... I've never really like paradiddles. Now I do.

Its been my achilles heel, I've now found a way to learn this & enjoy this rudiment.

Drum Set Control and Paradiddle Power by Ron Spagnardi will really give you some stuff to work out as well on all the possibilities of using paradiddles around the kit. These books cost $12.95 each.
I own Drum Set Control and it is like Stick Control for the kit with various snare - tom variations for the stickings. It also takes you from 8th note stickings through 32nd note stickings similar to the way Mike Johnston demonstrates. Great book. Helps you get clean! You play 4 on the floor (quarters on the kick) with 2 and 4 on the hi-hat foot while performing the sticking patterns. Great for looking in timing.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: soul_drummer on February 29, 2008, 12:01:45 AM
lol whenever I start "grooving" on the desk all the black people start bobbin their heads and it usually leads to a cypher. Then the teacher gets  >:(, and we all get sent out into the hallway or the office  :-[ :D

LOL....I would do that too when I was in High School....there was this other drummer in one of my classes.....we would start making beats with our feet, hands and pencils while the teacher was writing something on the board and right when she would turn around to see who it was we would stop and she would get angry because she didn't know who it was.........LOL....but we caught one time and got a refferal...lol...and we got sent to the office...they asked us why we were sent...we just said we were making beats...it was awekard...like who gets sent to the office for making beats?...lol :D :D
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: soul_drummer on February 29, 2008, 12:03:32 AM
Thanks for the post JFunk....very helpful....GB
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: L.V.Drumma on February 29, 2008, 04:25:20 PM
LOL....I would do that too when I was in High School....there was this other drummer in one of my classes.....we would start making beats with our feet, hands and pencils while the teacher was writing something on the board and right when she would turn around to see who it was we would stop and she would get angry because she didn't know who it was.........LOL....but we caught one time and got a refferal...lol...and we got sent to the office...they asked us why we were sent...we just said we were making beats...it was awekard...like who gets sent to the office for making beats?...lol :D :D

I love doin' that lol.
Title: Re: Invert Your Rudiments (M.D. excerpt)
Post by: soul_drummer on March 01, 2008, 02:36:57 AM
I love doin' that lol.


 :D :D :D ;D.....lol