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Gospel Instruments => Bass Guitar => Topic started by: DWBass on April 11, 2008, 05:01:41 PM
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I just got my new Bass Player magazine and Marcus has a quick statement regarding the musicians. Maybe some of the young folks will respect a guy like Marcus' opinion! I won't post it here. Just read it on your own when you get a chance.
Just wanted to give a heads up.
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I just got my new Bass Player magazine and Marcus has a quick statement regarding the musicians. Maybe some of the young folks will respect a guy like Marcus' opinion! I won't post it here. Just read it on your own when you get a chance.
Just wanted to give a heads up.
I don't subscribe... what did he say... too busy or something like that?
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I don't subscribe... what did he say... too busy or something like that?
Something like that! :)
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Guess I will have to run by the music shop and thumb through it... cause they don't have the story online.
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......Remember...it's just an opinion. Marcus Millers world is entirely different from the world he commented on. Not that I dissagree.....but you cant just come playing the way you play and think it's gunna work. (no matter who you are) You have to dig deep and make it happen.
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Marcus said, that gospel was a great breeding ground, because it's one of the only places where musicians can open up without worrying about commercial format restrictions. As a result, new styles have emerged, that people are embracing. He said that, their are some great bassist out there, starting with the amazing Andrew Gouche & (Gouche) can play the heck out of the instrument. Then he goes on to say that, the only thing that he would like to see from some of the gospel bands at time, is to give a little more love to the vocalists. He says when he was coming up, if he was to overplay behind a singer, he would get his but kicked. He also gives props to some young & upcoming bassist, Brandon Rose, Joshua Crumbly & Dwayne Thomas, ages 15, 16 & 17 respectively. I think one of these cats is that young brotha that plays lefty, upside down. It's a good article.
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Ok Listen, I've seen time and time again certain people on this site negatively critiquing my playing. I try to ignore the negativity for the most part, but there seem be some people who make it their mission to speak badly about me, and I'm sick of it. First of all, let me say this, I've played on more records than any other MUSICIAN in Gospel (Check your history) , Starting in 1976 with Rev James Cleveland! When I started out there were no well known bassists in Gospel music, there were no precedents, no rules of how to play gospel on bass, because most churches didn't even want bass guitar, they thought the the only bass they needed was the organist bass pedals! I had to fight to convince people that the bass was a viable instrument in church. I was touring and recording long before the internet came along, so a lot of you only know about my work since that time. I've always followed my own path, I never tried to be or sound like anyone else. I really think you should check my resume a little more thoroughly before you decide what kind of player I am! Go to allmusic.com, type my name in, I know you know how to spell it, you'll get a PARTIAL list of my work. Spend a little more time perfecting YOUR craft, a little less posting, and a little more playing. Lastly, I LOVE Marcus Miller, He's one of my all time favorites, and a great guy, but Marcus don't play Gospel! You ask my opinion about a jazz musicians, I can't give an informed opinion, because I don't play jazz. You that always speak negatively about me (On this site and Talkbass.com), Guys that started out playing R&B and got a gig at some church and are new to THIS music, learn a little more about me before you open your mouths, Peace
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Gooch, this was not directed at you although I admit I have voiced my opinion of your playing previously. That's my hangup and I need to get over it. Didn't mean to offend. I was merely relaying another player's opinion through his observations. I thought it was interesting to read a well known players opinion. You are a great player, better than I'll ever be! I truly respect your resume (which I have researched in the past). Again, this was not directed at you!
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Ok Listen, I've seen time and time again certain people on this site negatively critiquing my playing. I try to ignore the negativity for the most part, but there seem be some people who make it their mission to speak badly about me, and I'm sick of it. First of all, let me say this, I've played on more records than any other MUSICIAN in Gospel (Check your history) , Starting in 1976 with Rev James Cleveland! When I started out there were no well known bassists in Gospel music, there were no precedents, no rules of how to play gospel on bass, because most churches didn't even want bass guitar, they thought the the only bass they needed was the organist bass pedals! I had to fight to convince people that the bass was a viable instrument in church. I was touring and recording long before the internet came along, so a lot of you only know about my work since that time. I've always followed my own path, I never tried to be or sound like anyone else. I really think you should check my resume a little more thoroughly before you decide what kind of player I am! Go to allmusic.com, type my name in, I know you know how to spell it, you'll get a PARTIAL list of my work. Spend a little more time perfecting YOUR craft, a little less posting, and a little more playing. Lastly, I LOVE Marcus Miller, He's one of my all time favorites, and a great guy, but Marcus don't play Gospel! You ask my opinion about a jazz musicians, I can't give an informed opinion, because I don't play jazz. You that always speak negatively about me (On this site and Talkbass.com), Guys that started out playing R&B and got a gig at some church and are new to THIS music, learn a little more about me before you open your mouths, Peace
All I know is that they MAKE me try to play your music in church and I'm scared of it. It would MANY years down the road before I can come close to critique your music, much less play it.
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Excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand why folk got mad? Again excuse my ignorance, but who's yogooch?
Browntree
And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren to be the singers with instruments of music, psalteries and harps and cymbals, sounding, by lifting up the voice with joy. I Chronicles 15:16
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Ok, I found out yogooch's real name... never mind... :-[
Browntree
And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren to be the singers with instruments of music, psalteries and harps and cymbals, sounding, by lifting up the voice with joy. I Chronicles 15:16
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Yeah, "overplaying" is definitely a loaded term and it's a judgement that's solely in the eye of the beholder. In fact, I really don't like the term overplaying because it implies that there's something negative about stretching out and trying to fill up a song with inventive playing. Some of my favorite basslines are, by some standards, completely overplayed. People on this very board have accused James Jamerson of overplaying, but no one can deny that he's the foundation of so much of what we do. Players like Gooch can make it work just as well in the gospel world. Basically "overplaying" is just a critical label for a style of bass playing that can be done well and, when it is done well, never fails to impress other musicians.
I think the problem with overplaying is that so many intermediate and advanced players use it in immaturity merely to show off their technique and not in service of the song. I think that's the important point of what Marcus Millier is saying; that if we're playing so much that it distracts from the lyric, then we're not really serving the song.
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I played Quartet Music for years, but one day I realize Quartet music locked me into one style of playing, there is only so much you can do with 1-5 1-6-2-5-1 progression. I wanted to extend my style so I started learning different scales and modes and appregios. one day my wife played Hidden Beach Unwrapped Allstars CD and I moded my practice after Mr Gouche.
My brother is a Jazz guitarist and one Jam at church all the time. I only play Praise and Worshipped, because of the room to explorer.
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Lastly, I LOVE Marcus Miller, He's one of my all time favorites, and a great guy, but Marcus don't play Gospel!
My sentiments exactly. Thats the first thing I thought when I read the article. I think if you dont follow a genre that closely, you may not understand or feel where the music is. Thats the reason I laugh at alot of comments (esp. on TB) about choice of basses, amps, and comments on genre. For example alot of ppl on TB WORSHIP the P bass, but for us on the gospel front, we know that a P bass aint really happening for modern gospel. Its a matter of being up with the genre.
OT, I saw Marcus in concert last week in Annapolis, MD. I'll keep my comments to myself.
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I say Play how U Play and be thankful that God has blessed us with the skills to play. It's all good .
peace
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I say Play how U Play and be thankful that God has blessed us with the skills to play. It's all good .
peace
No doubt. Didn't mean to stir up the masses. I just thought folks would think it interesting to hear a 'veteran pro's' thoughts. I made my thoughts known a long time ago and have left it alone. I'm sorry Gooch feels singled out as I didn't even have him in my thoughts when I posted this thread. I apologize to all I've offended who have adopted the style of playing. I do feel the playing is excellent and it sounds really good. No doubt you all are great players. A lot better than I will ever be. I defend myself by saying I'm old school and still play by 'old school' standards. That includes Gospel and R&B/Pop music. I grew up in the church. My stepfather is a Methodist Minister and my mother is a Diaconal Minister so my experience is church music first albeit traditional hymns. No modern music or instruments have been adopted by a good majority of the Methodist churches. Things are changing though. I'm not new to the game. I actually like 99% of the musicality of the genre. Not a big fan of the hip hop style gospel though and that is probably the 1%. You young players (and older cats.....Gooch) amaze me everyday! I would never want you all to ever stop doing what you do. Just to see and hear young people playing and enjoying themselves giving back the gifts that have been bestowed upon them is pure joy!
As for myself, I am human (as we all are) and am still a work in progress. So keep doing what y'all do and play for him!
Be blessed.
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Alot of people do thing great or feel that they are great cause people tell them and expect people to bow down. Alot of things people think is good mostly is over hyped. There is a few gospel songs that you grab on to and say yeah I like that! But in gospel its alot of hype. I feel DW Bass The tradational will out last the busy stuff. Alot of regular listeners dont care about the musicians.They care about the song.
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Alot of people do thing great or feel that they are great cause people tell them and expect people to bow down. Alot of things people think is good mostly is over hyped. There is a few gospel songs that you grab on to and say yeah I like that! But in gospel its alot of hype. I feel DW Bass The tradational will out last the busy stuff. Alot of regular listeners dont care about the musicians.They care about the song.
I wouldn't want the musicians to not be cared about. They are just as important as the vocalists. as long as they are all singing and playing with the spirit, I'm happy!
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No I not saying that at all ! What I am saying lets say Gouche who happen to be on of my tops low end players. Lets take Mary Mary Thank you for example Gouche plays on he simply murders that and me and my dad was listening to it and iwas going crazy over how he was killing and my dad was looking at me like son are you all right. And then the regular version comes on at the end of the song and my dad is going crazy and I was like dad are you alright everyonesdifferent cuz!
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I just got my new Bass Player magazine and Marcus has a quick statement regarding the musicians. Maybe some of the young folks will respect a guy like Marcus' opinion! I won't post it here. Just read it on your own when you get a chance.
Just wanted to give a heads up.
What did dWbass say about Gooch? Did I miss something? Miller can say what he like about Gospel musicians. Gospel music can be hard to play at time mostly doing Pray And Worship. For as Gooch, I think his problem is with someone else and not DWbass.
He just took this time to throw a cheap shoot at Dwbass for no reason. Sure,Gooch did this and Gooch did that. But who inside this forum have helped so many here Dwbass or Gooch.
I'll tell you who, DWBASS..And Gooch what have you done to help anyone inside of this forum?
YOu need us man we don't need you. Only time I ever see your post here inside of this forum is to brag or vent.
I am a Christain and will not roll over for wrong from anyone,Gooch you're wrong and little selfish with your skill when it comes to helping people here at LGM.
Oh by the way after Church 3 week ago I ran across a gas station worker. That can cut any of these well known Bass players head in Memphis, another unknown gifted player.
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What did dWbass say about Gooch? Did I miss something? Miller can say what he like about Gospel musicians. Gospel music can be hard to play at time mostly doing Pray And Worship. For as Gooch, I think his problem is with someone else and not DWbass.
He just took this time to throw a cheap shoot at Dwbass for no reason. Sure,Gooch did this and Gooch did that. But who inside this forum have helped so many here Dwbass or Gooch.
I'll tell you who, DWBASS..And Gooch what have you done to help anyone inside of this forum?
YOu need us man we don't need you. Only time I ever see your post here inside of this forum is to brag or vent.
I am a Christain and will not roll over for wrong from anyone,Gooch you're wrong and little selfish with your skill when it comes to helping people here at LGM.
Oh by the way after Church 3 week ago I ran across a gas station worker. That can cut any of these well known Bass players head in Memphis, another unknown gifted player.
i forgot to add with all of those albums Gooch played on for all of those years,I bet if you ask 10 people that heard them all they can't tell you who played bass on any of them.
Face it Bass players are only good and great to themself and up and coming bass players.
Sure we can have a style hard to figure out at first but when that up and coming bass player figure it out he makes it better. Kinda like plassing the torch.
Gooch maybe it time to pass your torch or axe because time do catch up with us all.
I believe you feel out-dated and may not getting the Gigs you use to, because of the up and coming players doing your old style so much better.
And took it out on Dwbass for no reason you should tell him you're sorry.if I were the Moderator here with all Dwbass have done to help us all here. I would BAN your account if you did not say sorry to DWbass
Later
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hey idont think no one took it personal it we cannot speak what we feel freely then this formn is not what i think it is and yoogrooch is truely a graet basses and i thank him for what he has done and also dw for always having guts to tell the truth hey if it was not for all the bass players on this site i would have stopped playing a long time ago and special thanks to saint that post all those free video sorry that saint name is uriah god bless you all and dw thanks alot man for your wisdom and yoogrooch for opening the door to along line of grest gospel basses may god bless all of you ;)
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i was just sittin here readin, but i just had to chime in after the topic got a bit heated.
everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it all comes down to the fact that its an opinion and those are always subjective to the person giving it.
i have heard playing that was busy and tasteful and elegant as well as it being outright annoying. I've also seen the opposite spectrum where reserved playing is dont very well as well as when its done and its bland and lacking. But this isnt specific to bass playing. We've all experienced this regarding keyboardists, drummers, organists, singers, preachers, etc. And what my experience might be regarding something may be totally different for someone else.
Ive heard some of yogooch's playing on songs and sometimes i was like "man i need to get my skills up to get at the song like that" and other times i was like "i dont wanna play the song like that". my opinion, my choice. ive heard some of marcus miller's playing on songs and sometimes i was like "im nowhere near that, i need to practice" and other songs im like "geez does he gotta slap on everything?". my opinion, my choice. and while both of these players are great and well respected in their own right, Charles is not Gouche, and Charles is not Miller, and Charles needs and has to play like Charles. so i use what i want, leave what i dont. and those things are different for each player.
i find myself saying i dont care for this or that, simply because its just not my style of doing things. we've all done it. each and every one of us. at work, at church, at home, etc. but i cant criticize what someone does and my first line of thinking is trying to understand why they do what they do. it may be a reason, a choice that you would make as well if the circumstances and mindset were the same. and if i understand why, i can respect it and maybe look at it in a different way. but at the end of the day, i still gotta find my own style, just as every player, well known and unknown, has to do.
i pray that things stay peaceful here. we are all family in christ. and both dwbass and yogooch have been helpful, just in different capacities because they are in different places regarding experience, expertise, skill, and insight. its a blessing that either one of them take time to be here. and just like a real family, we're not gonna agree with everything. as long as we show love and respect each other we'll be fine.
god bless.
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That was well said, floaded. Jesus calls us to be peacemakers and you're living up to that calling.
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Let my start by saying that I want apologize to everyone for blowing up on here. I didn't mean to create a firestorm! But I would ask that you all try to look at this through my eyes. I'm human just like anyone else, I can be hurt by the things people say, just like anyone else. Imagine seeing several people talking negatively about you all the time. I think that after so much, anyone would be adversely affected. I've seen post on here about guys being offended because someone they look up to didn't respond to their emails or calls, and they were hurt. But I must tell you, I hurt too. I'm not going to respond to the last posts on here, I will say that that anyone who has ever met & knows me, knows that all I've ever done is try to help people. So peace & blessings to ALL you,
Andrew Gouche
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I have been out for most of the evening. Just wanted to let everyone know all is well. Mr. Gouche and I have chatted through PM and everything is cool. I understand a lot more clearly his frustrations and I have been guilty of 'slamming' him in the past. Not thinking about how hurtful comments can be a times. Mr. Gouche is one of the most giving individuals as well as being a gifted musician. To give your all and still get criticized for just being yourself.....yes, it can be frustrating.
Now to lighten things up a bit..........I had quite an enlightening this evening at band rehearsal! I found myself doing the very thing I spoke against! You guessed it....'overplaying'! But guess what? It sounded good and it fit! And I realized, I had been playing like this for quite some time! Probably the last 10 years or so! I guess Mr. Gouche's playing has rubbed off on me, huh?
Be blessed, everyone!
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Sure,Gooch did this and Gooch did that. But who inside this forum have helped so many here Dwbass or Gooch.
I'll tell you who, DWBASS..And Gooch what have you done to help anyone inside of this forum?
Wow. That was some response. But, ah, if we put things into perspective, Gouche have helped a lot of people, including all of us directly/indirectly. No, he's not here saying "put your finger here, hit that..." No. He's putting out cds. Many other advanced guys are checking him out, incorporating what he's doing, and playing on cds, too (I think he's incorporating, as well). Then we listen to these other guys, and so on. All this stuff is trickling down, man. You know, I'd put on some Morton, Trotter, or Dillard, slow that stuff down, and guess what? I have a bass lesson directly from the top of the music industry. I think that's pretty direct.
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But I would ask that you all try to look at this through my eyes. I'm human just like anyone else, I can be hurt by the things people say, just like anyone else. Imagine seeing several people talking negatively about you all the time. I think that after so much, anyone would be adversely affected. I've seen post on here about guys being offended because someone they look up to didn't respond to their emails or calls, and they were hurt. But I must tell you, I hurt too.
i totally understand. i said what i said to show that we're all alike and go through similar things regardless of where we are. hurt is one of those things that none of us is immune to. we are to encourage each other and build each other up. even though each one of us are in the same business (God's business), it takes mature people in God to understand that we are not in competition with one another, but rather cooperation.
yogooch and dwbass, whether or not you feel this way, but i believe that the interaction between you two and the reconciliation thereafter that displayed the spiritual maturity possessed by you both has touched someone. something in my spirit is telling me there is someone that sits here and reads everything we write, but is silent and doesnt speak on here, but are "watching" nonetheless, and this has brought deliverance to them in their life.
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i totally understand. i said what i said to show that we're all alike and go through similar things regardless of where we are. hurt is one of those things that none of us is immune to. we are to encourage each other and build each other up. even though each one of us are in the same business (God's business), it takes mature people in God to understand that we are not in competition with one another, but rather cooperation.
yogooch and dwbass, whether or not you feel this way, but i believe that the interaction between you two and the reconciliation thereafter that displayed the spiritual maturity possessed by you both has touched someone. something in my spirit is telling me there is someone that sits here and reads everything we write, but is silent and doesnt speak on here, but are "watching" nonetheless, and this has brought deliverance to them in their life.
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I like to say, I'm sorry also for going off. Glad everything is cleared up.
Now I can go back to my crappy bass playing.
Peace Everyone
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Let my start by saying that I want apologize to everyone for blowing up on here. I didn't mean to create a firestorm! But I would ask that you all try to look at this through my eyes. I'm human just like anyone else, I can be hurt by the things people say, just like anyone else. Imagine seeing several people talking negatively about you all the time. I think that after so much, anyone would be adversely affected. I've seen post on here about guys being offended because someone they look up to didn't respond to their emails or calls, and they were hurt. But I must tell you, I hurt too. I'm not going to respond to the last posts on here, I will say that that anyone who has ever met & knows me, knows that all I've ever done is try to help people. So peace & blessings to ALL you,
Andrew Gouche
Thank you for your many fine contributions to the music industry! You make me love and hate bass at the same time :D.
Why? Because you are sooooooooooo good, and I am such a beginner!
I have come to really appreciate musicians (whatever instrument they play) since coming to realize the time and effort it takes to master their craft.
May the Lord continue to Bless and keep All of Us!
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i totally understand. i said what i said to show that we're all alike and go through similar things regardless of where we are. hurt is one of those things that none of us is immune to. we are to encourage each other and build each other up. even though each one of us are in the same business (God's business), it takes mature people in God to understand that we are not in competition with one another, but rather cooperation.
yogooch and dwbass, whether or not you feel this way, but i believe that the interaction between you two and the reconciliation thereafter that displayed the spiritual maturity possessed by you both has touched someone. something in my spirit is telling me there is someone that sits here and reads everything we write, but is silent and doesnt speak on here, but are "watching" nonetheless, and this has brought deliverance to them in their life.
Floaded27, 5 thumbs up for your posts on this topic.You really showed a lot of maturity on all fronts.
And to Gouche and DWBass,you got one more reason why young musicians will keep admiring you. This is what our faith should be about.Knowing when to vent your hurt and when to say sorry.
Peace.God bless us all
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Man, I leave for a day & a half, and come back to some fireworks. I'm glad that Gouche & DW, kissed & made up, as Christian brothas should do. I just want to say, to Gouche is that, if it weren't for you and a few other gospel cats, LGM would probably have only 5 members on the bass section. You have inspired many young & older players, to pick up the bass & we all "Thank You" for that. I know I can personally say you have inspired me to pick the bass back up after 13yrs, I started back about 5yrs ago. Graham, Joel, Bootzy, Johnson, Leon Sylvers, etc, inspired me to first pick it up. But, Yourself(Gouche), Fitzgerald, Palmer etc, inspired me to pick it back up. When I heard you cats play, I just said, thats what I want to do again. Yes I get frustrated sometimes, trying to cop you fellas chops, but it has definetly made me a far better bass player, than I was in the past. I really believe everyone here admires & respects you. It's definetly not to often that the muscians that you look up to and you've stayed up many of nights trying to learn there bass lines, actually takes time out to sit down & chat with us. That itself speaks volumes of the kind of person that you are. Thank You also DW, for your unselfishness on passing along the knowledge that you have obtained over the yrs & to all of you that take part in posting & answering questions. I know I have learned so much from you brothas.
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i forgot to add with all of those albums Gooch played on for all of those years,I bet if you ask 10 people that heard them all they can't tell you who played bass on any of them.
Face it Bass players are only good and great to themself and up and coming bass players.
Sure we can have a style hard to figure out at first but when that up and coming bass player figure it out he makes it better. Kinda like plassing the torch.
Gooch maybe it time to pass your torch or axe because time do catch up with us all.
I believe you feel out-dated and may not getting the Gigs you use to, because of the up and coming players doing your old style so much better.
And took it out on Dwbass for no reason you should tell him you're sorry.if I were the Moderator here with all Dwbass have done to help us all here. I would BAN your account if you did not say sorry to DWbass
Later
You know I stayed out of this for a while, but you've gone to far.
You sir are COMPLETELY out of order.
We all know the reason you have the name LowBass now is because of your previous bumping of heads with Mr. Gouche, but i suggest you let this personal Vandetta go NOW.
With that being said lets get a few things straight.
#1. I will NOT stand or allow for you talking down to anyone here. Wether it be Mr. Gouche or anyone I don't care. If you have a problem with someone you take it to a PM. We all know your gripes about Gouche and guess what....WE COULD CARE LESS!!!
So either you:
a) Let it go
OR
b) find another forum to post to because this is VERY uncalled for.
#2. I suggest you tone down your bitter comments before I seek getting your IP banned or any other screen name that comes up that seems to have your personality behind it. There is no room on LGM for this craziness and as long as I'm here on the bass forum it will NOT be tolerated.
This is why we can't keep any seasoned Vets dropping in and giving us a few key words of wisdom.
Consider yourself on the "being watched list".
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You know I stayed out of this for a while, but you've gone to far.
You sir are COMPLETELY out of order.
We all know the reason you have the name LowBass now is because of your previous bumping of heads with Mr. Gouche, but i suggest you let this personal Vandetta go NOW.
With that being said lets get a few things straight.
#1. I will NOT stand or allow for you talking down to anyone here. Wether it be Mr. Gouche or anyone I don't care. If you have a problem with someone you take it to a PM. We all know your gripes about Gouche and guess what....WE COULD CARE LESS!!!
So either you:
a) Let it go
OR
b) find another forum to post to because this is VERY uncalled for.
#2. I suggest you tone down your bitter comments before I seek getting your IP banned or any other screen name that comes up that seems to have your personality behind it. There is no room on LGM for this craziness and as long as I'm here on the bass forum it will NOT be tolerated.
This is why we can't keep any seasoned Vets dropping in and giving us a few key words of wisdom.
Consider yourself on the "being watched list".
I already adress my action 4 post before yours.Here it is again if anyone missed it.
I like to say, I'm sorry also for going off. Glad everything is cleared up.
Now I can go back to my crappy bass playing.
Peace Everyone
I may also maybe why I when off. I have ask some fellow bass players things who have made it big,and most times they look down their nose at you and many have forgotten where they came from the stuggles and hills to climb.
I Know I'm a no name bass player may not be liked by many here. But I still try to help fellow bass players here or who ask me and don't look down on them or brush them off.
I'm human also,do what you feel is right brother. I have no beef with you.
For as season bass players, we all are season bass players,we just have not been discovered yet.
This thread is dropped by me. I said I'm sorry and have moved on
Peace brother
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I could make alot of comments on what has been posted by all but what good would that do. Instead I just pray that this has been a lesson learned by all, whether your well known or not, God doesn't grade us on that but what it is we do with our talents, great or small. Do we play for HIM or to be Discovered? For some that may come and for others that is not what God has planned for us. Satan is hard at work trying to divide and conquer. We as Christians have to stay the course and not let him divide what God has assembled. I have learned so much for each and every one on the LGM and I have said many times how blessed and greatful I feel to be a part of this family. I have never been made to feel like any of my questions were stupid or silly and someone has always given me sound advice on equipment, playing techniques, improving listening techniques and the list goes on. I have played brass instruments for over 20 years and I never had the "passion" I have for playing bass in only 7 years. I love playing bass, I love studying various people and styles. To me, it is kind of like golf, it seems you can't do anything right and then when you finally hit that one shot or you learn that one lick you have been struggling with you get the inspiration to go on and work harder. I know that Gooche has spend millions of hours perfecting his craft over the years and I know if I were to just watch some of his videos or listen to his cd's that I could easily say "well let me put my bass down" but I know that if I want to get to that level I have to put in the time. Many people wanted to be like Michael Jordan but not many people realize that hours he spent in the gym during the week to do what he did on sundays. God has blessed us all, we are all brothers and sisters in Christ first. We as God's children are to show love and compassion even when we don't want to sometimes. This site is a wonderful resource.
"The power of Christ within you is greater than the power of evil around you."
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Quebass Has spoken!!! Thanks for those delicate words of wisdom.In the words of Rodney King "cant well get along"? Lets sincerely try to avoid any dichotomy amongst us cos its exactly wot the enemy wants.We all disagree to agree not vice-versa.Ive been blessed greatly by You Guys and I look forward to Learning and sharing more.This is an atmosphere for a lovely camaraderie and i'll love 2 see that Continue.God bless y'all
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I could make alot of comments on what has been posted by all but what good would that do. Instead I just pray that this has been a lesson learned by all, whether your well known or not, God doesn't grade us on that but what it is we do with our talents, great or small. Do we play for HIM or to be Discovered? For some that may come and for others that is not what God has planned for us. Satan is hard at work trying to divide and conquer. We as Christians have to stay the course and not let him divide what God has assembled. I have learned so much for each and every one on the LGM and I have said many times how blessed and greatful I feel to be a part of this family. I have never been made to feel like any of my questions were stupid or silly and someone has always given me sound advice on equipment, playing techniques, improving listening techniques and the list goes on. I have played brass instruments for over 20 years and I never had the "passion" I have for playing bass in only 7 years. I love playing bass, I love studying various people and styles. To me, it is kind of like golf, it seems you can't do anything right and then when you finally hit that one shot or you learn that one lick you have been struggling with you get the inspiration to go on and work harder. I know that Gooche has spend millions of hours perfecting his craft over the years and I know if I were to just watch some of his videos or listen to his cd's that I could easily say "well let me put my bass down" but I know that if I want to get to that level I have to put in the time. Many people wanted to be like Michael Jordan but not many people realize that hours he spent in the gym during the week to do what he did on sundays. God has blessed us all, we are all brothers and sisters in Christ first. We as God's children are to show love and compassion even when we don't want to sometimes. This site is a wonderful resource.
"The power of Christ within you is greater than the power of evil around you.
Another lesson to be learned is that music is a form of expression. Regardless of whether or not we like somebody elses style of playing, that doesn't make their style any less valid. We can all learn from each other, even if it's what not to do (which is a very important lesson in and of itself).
As Christians, we shouldn't make people feel that their way of expressing themselves is less appealing or wrong because the truth of the matter is none of us have perfected it. God looks at the heart. And if your heart is in it, he'll except your form of worship. God is more concerned with our motives than he is with how many notes or choice of notes.
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DFW/Gooche, You brothers are the foundations for many of us on this site and each in your own way. I pray that God will continue to Bless you and use you in His way that you may continue to be a blessing to us and many others. Your knowledge and insight is priceless and you have a far greater impact on bass players and musicians than you may know. God Bless you and keep you.
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Sorry, correction....I meant DWbass/Gooche not DFW....No disrespect DFW! LOL!!
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Thank goodness, Gooch allowed the Lord to speak to him and reconciled with his brother. Now only he would listen to the Lord about switching to Ken Smiths ;) :D ;D ;D ;D Come back home, Gooch, Come back home, Never mind I understand, it's MTD4LYFE ;) Admittedly, I'm about to join the family real soon. ;)
Anyways, Gooch don't leave us. Don't let the negativity get to you. Your pedigree is unmatched and you are a mentor to countless bassists in Gospel. However, DW's point is well-taken and this is not the first time I encountered this thought. Unfortunately, gospel bassists are considered the 'red-headed step-child' when it comes to other genres of music b/c of this sensitive issue. Gospel music is unlike any other form of music-it's so wide-open. So let me put this question straight to you Gooch. What do you think about the 'modern bassist' in Gospel music. I think that this a topic that bears discussion and would like your viewpoint. BTW, I'm not trying to call you out. I have no ulterior motive. You are one of my mentors. Plus, I will be sending this request to other bassists in the industry (without dropping names) and ask them to expound as well. As you rightfully stated there is not a class on playing bass in Gospel, but your perspective and overall experience would be helpful. Lastly, let's critique in love and disagree w/o being disagreeable. Peace and MTD4LYFE (or Ken Smith if you want to really rock ;D ;D ;D) Just kidding.
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This is the last time, I go out of town for the weekend... :-\
I'm glad to have came back and saw things have calmed, down... so that I can stir it up some more.... just kiddin.
Thanks for sharing Gooch, I think its great that you shared your vulnerability. People sometimes lose site of other's human-ess, when your extremely gifted. I for one, appreciate your ability and fortitude to pioneer, Bass Guitar in Gospel music. No doubt, many of us have no clue what you have been through over the past 30+ years. Most who will comment, can't handle any pressure themselves, but are free to dish out the OPINIONS.... I am amazed that I haven't seen a post of this sort earlier, for the past 3 years that I have been playing to bass, and spending time on the net, at the forums mentioned above. And people do tend to voice their opinion often about Gouche.
I don't care what nobody says, when you played "Change" with Tremaine Hawkins on TBN.... I fell in love with your playing.
Keep doing what you are doing... some may not like it, but there are others of us who do... and ultimately is Christ is Glorified, and you are focusing on Jesus, the rest of us really don't matter.
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THANK YOU GOOCH FOR ALL YOU DO!
I remember when you broke down 'Amazing Grace' and your shout music last year for bass player mag. I still can't play it like you but I'm striving to incorporate your style with my style. Be encourage!
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I just read the article and did not find anything negative directed at Mr. Gouche. If anything I saw a compliment. Both of these great musicians have made their mark on the industry. When they hire Mr. Gouche, they know what they are going to get, so I don't think overplaying would be an issue.I find inspiration from both Mr. Gouche and Mr. Miller, yet I don't try to play like either. I have been following both since the early eighties and they both have played with my favorite singer-Chaka Khan. I really found out who MM was when he played on Chaka's "Naughty". And I will never forget the 1st time I saw Mr. Gouche live, playing a Stingray with Andre Crouch at the Chicago GospelFest at the South Shore Country Club in 1985.