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Title: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: shall176 on April 21, 2008, 07:36:54 AM
Hey guys....here is the deal.  I play drums at the church....unpaid.  I have missed the last three choir rehearsals....with permission......due to having a three week stint playing a gig at a restaurant.  The restaurant has decided that they would like to pick us up weekely, for the same night in which we have choir/praise team rehearsal.  Now I have a decision....play the gig, and make $100+ a week, and not play at church (policy is no rehearsal, no play), or give up the gig to another guy and remain the church drummer.  Since the church does not pay me, and I need the cash with gas prices and day care costs the way they are, I am inclined to do that.  But I want to help the church, and I don't want to give up the spot.  Now, we do have band rehearsal on Saturday's, but still...I need to be at choir /praise team rehearsal to play.  What do you guys think.

Also I fear this.  I go on the gig, cuz I need the money, cuz the church does not pay me...then they go and HIRE someone to replace me.  I think that is a definite posibility, however stupid it may sound.  Just seems at time the church will pay for mediocrity outside, rather than take care of their own inside (and my opinion of myself is not mediocrity).....not saying my church will, but I have seen it many many times elsewhere, and just hope it does not happen in mine.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: under13 on April 21, 2008, 07:49:26 AM
This is your home church? Why is it that home churches always do us dirty?

If I were you I'd try again to get that $100 a week from the church. How big is the church? They are probaly just being cheap. I'd also tr to find some other gig on another night that wont interfere with church. It all comes down to your priorities. What is more important to you? $100 or playing at church.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: sjonathan02 on April 21, 2008, 08:12:42 AM
a. What did God say to you about this?

b. Go to the church and tell them what you've told us; they don't seem to care and/or aren't going to change how they deal with you, then you must provide for your family.

c. What do you want to do?
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: stiksnmypocket on April 21, 2008, 08:29:43 AM
waht up bro? hey I really think this is a test bro, I'm not gonna preach to you or attempt to but stay faithful and true to yourself and you will come out the Victor, trust me its worth it,

p.s. Pass the test wit flying colors and your reward will be waaay greater than an extra $100 a wk ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: stiksnmypocket on April 21, 2008, 08:31:16 AM
and when I said faithful I meant to God and not to a "building" or "human being".....
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: under13 on April 21, 2008, 08:35:09 AM
waht up bro? hey I really think this is a test bro, I'm not gonna preach to you or attempt to but stay faithful and true to yourself and you will come out the Victor, trust me its worth it,

p.s. Pass the test wit flying colors and your reward will be waaay greater than an extra $100 a wk ;D ;D ;D

+1.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: JFunky on April 21, 2008, 09:25:22 AM
waht up bro? hey I really think this is a test bro, I'm not gonna preach to you or attempt to but stay faithful and true to yourself and you will come out the Victor, trust me its worth it,

p.s. Pass the test wit flying colors and your reward will be waaay greater than an extra $100 a wk ;D ;D ;D

...end thread. 8)
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: sugabear on April 21, 2008, 09:27:34 AM
A lot of times what I've found out is that a lot of church musicians have not because the ask not. Before you make any major move such as this pray and see what God says, then speak to the necessary person at church to see how they feel about paying you. You would have to be very careful how you handle that conversation though. If they feel like they're being approached the wrong way or forced you won't get any results. For that reason, I wouldn't mention the other gig situation. At the very least, you can get an idea how of they feel about paying you and partly base your decision on that factor.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: Cherri on April 21, 2008, 10:38:14 AM
A lot of times what I've found out is that a lot of church musicians have not because the ask not. Before you make any major move such as this pray and see what God says, then speak to the necessary person at church to see how they feel about paying you. You would have to be very careful how you handle that conversation though. If they feel like they're being approached the wrong way or forced you won't get any results. For that reason, I wouldn't mention the other gig situation. At the very least, you can get an idea how of they feel about paying you and partly base your decision on that factor.

Especially... The subject avenue of money.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: blesedone1 on April 21, 2008, 11:41:05 AM
waht up bro? hey I really think this is a test bro, I'm not gonna preach to you or attempt to but stay faithful and true to yourself and you will come out the Victor, trust me its worth it,

p.s. Pass the test wit flying colors and your reward will be waaay greater than an extra $100 a wk ;D ;D ;D
yeah...i believe you already know the answer within yourself.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: QCdrummer on April 21, 2008, 11:54:48 AM
If it were me, I would be highly upset, going to my home church and having to watch somebody else play songs I know I would straight kill. And having to watch it every Sunday would hurt me. But I would say sit out for the time being, and when the restaurant thing is over see about getting back in the church rotation.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: stiksnmypocket on April 21, 2008, 12:39:06 PM
If it were me, I would be highly upset, going to my home church and having to watch somebody else play songs I know I would straight kill. And having to watch it every Sunday would hurt me. But I would say sit out for the time being, and when the restaurant thing is over see about getting back in the church rotation.

Yea what he said, put Gods work on hold to play at some restaurant for some chump change, that sounds like great advice... ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/?

"Red" sounds like flesh to me doc, at any rate if the spirit is there you wouldn't let the lousiest drummer hinder your worship or praise... or is it about "Killing" songs now, IDK, trust me I know it would suck but I wouldn't be upset or hurt, more so at the decision I made to bounce in the 1st place to let somebody take my sit, but Ill be quiet cuz I'm known for having locked threads....lol
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: SabianKnight on April 21, 2008, 01:49:49 PM
Pray and directly ask God if He gave you the Restaurant gig.

Approach the decision making hiearchy at your church. Explain the financial situation and the opportunity. You faithfulness to the church and your daily walk will speak for itself. If they are paying any musician they should be paying all the musicians to at least show their appreciation for the gift God has provided in you and the others. If they consider and understand the place of the minstrel/musicians in the Levitical order then they should be providing for that. Giving to a visiting minister/music minister is considered protocol but the same type protocol should stand for  the servants of the house. God put people in place to administer to His will but all to often in regards to this subject man does what man thinks he should do/man thinks is right. No work/labor should go unrewarded.

You traveling to the Drum Collective to study on your own, establishing a music and clinic program for kids/aspiring musicians - bring in high profile Christian artist to inspire/teach speaks volumes. What will be revealed is the value that your local church home places in you and stewardship and Christian mentorship.

If they pay someone to come in and take you place then that tells you something. Don't get bitter, simply continue to be a music minister and work as unto the LORD to create you own opportunities. Find your true covering to mentor and support that endeavor. For EVERYTHING there is a season. Could be that your season there or at least in that music dept or ministry is up.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: shell06 on April 21, 2008, 02:03:32 PM
Hey guys....here is the deal.  I play drums at the church....unpaid.  I have missed the last three choir rehearsals....with permission......due to having a three week stint playing a gig at a restaurant.  The restaurant has decided that they would like to pick us up weekely, for the same night in which we have choir/praise team rehearsal.  Now I have a decision....play the gig, and make $100+ a week, and not play at church (policy is no rehearsal, no play), or give up the gig to another guy and remain the church drummer.  Since the church does not pay me, and I need the cash with gas prices and day care costs the way they are, I am inclined to do that.  But I want to help the church, and I don't want to give up the spot.  Now, we do have band rehearsal on Saturday's, but still...I need to be at choir /praise team rehearsal to play.  What do you guys think.

Also I fear this.  I go on the gig, cuz I need the money, cuz the church does not pay me...then they go and HIRE someone to replace me.  I think that is a definite posibility, however stupid it may sound.  Just seems at time the church will pay for mediocrity outside, rather than take care of their own inside (and my opinion of myself is not mediocrity).....not saying my church will, but I have seen it many many times elsewhere, and just hope it does not happen in mine.

Oh no it's not stupid, it's actually the God honest truth (shame isn't it?) Thats how many churches roll nowadays, simply taking advantage of their own because they know you will play regardless.... >:( I've had to deal with this until recently so I know) Best thing I can say is PRAY and meditate. The Lord will lead you to what He wants you to do. Just make sure you open up your ears and be willing to listen. :) God bless
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: shell06 on April 21, 2008, 02:08:00 PM





Hey guys....here is the deal.  I play drums at the church....unpaid.  I have missed the last three choir rehearsals....with permission......due to having a three week stint playing a gig at a restaurant.  The restaurant has decided that they would like to pick us up weekely, for the same night in which we have choir/praise team rehearsal.  Now I have a decision....play the gig, and make $100+ a week, and not play at church (policy is no rehearsal, no play), or give up the gig to another guy and remain the church drummer.  Since the church does not pay me, and I need the cash with gas prices and day care costs the way they are, I am inclined to do that.  But I want to help the church, and I don't want to give up the spot.  Now, we do have band rehearsal on Saturday's, but still...I need to be at choir /praise team rehearsal to play.  What do you guys think.

Also I fear this.  I go on the gig, cuz I need the money, cuz the church does not pay me...then they go and HIRE someone to replace me.  I think that is a definite posibility, however stupid it may sound.  Just seems at time the church will pay for mediocrity outside, rather than take care of their own inside (and my opinion of myself is not mediocrity).....not saying my church will, but I have seen it many many times elsewhere, and just hope it does not happen in mine.

Sorry highlighted the wrong part... ;D

Oh no it's not stupid, it's actually the God honest truth (shame isn't it?) Thats how many churches roll nowadays, simply taking advantage of their own because they know you will play regardless....  I've had to deal with this until recently so I know) Best thing I can say is PRAY and meditate. The Lord will lead you to what He wants you to do. Just make sure you open up your ears and be willing to listen.  God bless
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: shall176 on April 21, 2008, 02:42:23 PM
Thanks for the responses guys.  If I didn't love my church so much and care about the quality of the music, and the ministry, and was out to chase the money, it would not have been so hard to make a decision.  Someone told me today that the fact that I play for free, and deal with the frustrations, etc, and still struggle with this says a lot about my commitment.  At the same time, the extra $ would come in handy.  I will continue to pray and will fast on this.  The negotiations are not complete so I have a bit of time and eventually this will probably fix itself.  I will also approach the decision makers in the church as suggested.  I have already spoken with the band leader who offered no help, cuz seems to me, he thinks its a no brainer.  take the money.  The church like many others is going through financal pains, so I don't want to appear to give an ultematum.  But from reading ou guys responses....I really feel it will all work itself out.  Thanks guys.  I appreciate it.

Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: dude-on-drums on April 21, 2008, 03:45:11 PM
Simply explain to your church that youre taking another job and you wont be available to play there.  You dont have to tell them what it is youre doing or where youre going.  Tell them youre just doing it cause you need the money.  Its the truth.  Then they will say either "good luck" or "how can we help?"  Then you go from there. 

I'm tellin you guys this.  If you can afford to play for free and thats what you want to do, then do it.  But if you cant, then dont.  Simple.  Dont get caught up in the "but this is my church home" mentality.  Your church home will always be your church home.  That has nothing to do with what you do for them and what they do or dont do for you.  Work first.  Church second.

And another thing.  The longer you guys play for free, the harder it will be for someone to actually pay you good money because youre not building any value in your works.  When you go from one job to the next, they always want to know how much your last job paid.  If you have to tell them you worked for free, where do you think your pay will start out?  It could start out at $25 a week cause thats a heck of alot more than what you were getting before.

On another subject, Im sick of everyone sharing this dream that one day their pastor is gonna have 10,000 members and as a musician, you wont have to work anymore!  Thats so weak!  The church is not a crutch for lazy musicians!  And stop letting your church talk you in to something like that.  They will have you missing all kinds of oportunities because of their selfishness.  Follow your own heart.  Dont let anyone sway you from making moves that are logical and financially smart.  Take God with you...He's not just at church every sunday.  If He's in you, then He's everywhere you are.  Make moves my people.   :)
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: under13 on April 21, 2008, 03:47:41 PM
Simply explain to your church that youre taking another job and you wont be available to play there.  You dont have to tell them what it is youre doing or where youre going.  Tell them youre just doing it cause you need the money.  Its the truth.  Then they will say either "good luck" or "how can we help?"  Then you go from there. 

 

WoW. I dare you to post that in the lounge
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: fretai03 on April 21, 2008, 04:52:19 PM
WoW. I dare you to post that in the lounge

Pfft... What makes you think we don't post like this in the lounge? ::)
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: under13 on April 21, 2008, 05:36:36 PM
Pfft... What makes you think we don't post like this in the lounge? ::)

Cuz they will throw verses at you about submitting to the church so fast, it'll make your head spin.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: fretai03 on April 21, 2008, 06:00:17 PM
Meh... dude-on-drums been in there a few times & they couldn't handle him then. Wouldn't change now.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: Audiocr381ve on April 21, 2008, 06:07:12 PM
Cuz they will throw verses at you about submitting to the church so fast, it'll make your head spin.

If that's the case in the lounge, it sounds like they're the type to pick up the stones. I don't submit to the church.

With people, you're always 50/50.

With God, you're always 100 percent. Ask Him.

Somebody recently told me, be completely honest with yourself. What do you want to do. Forget all the politics of the situation.

Simply explain to your church that youre taking another job and you wont be available to play there.  You dont have to tell them what it is youre doing or where youre going.  Tell them youre just doing it cause you need the money.  Its the truth.  Then they will say either "good luck" or "how can we help?"  Then you go from there. 

I'm tellin you guys this.  If you can afford to play for free and thats what you want to do, then do it.  But if you cant, then dont.  Simple.  Dont get caught up in the "but this is my church home" mentality.  Your church home will always be your church home.  That has nothing to do with what you do for them and what they do or dont do for you.  Work first.  Church second.

And another thing.  The longer you guys play for free, the harder it will be for someone to actually pay you good money because youre not building any value in your works.  When you go from one job to the next, they always want to know how much your last job paid.  If you have to tell them you worked for free, where do you think your pay will start out?  It could start out at $25 a week cause thats a heck of alot more than what you were getting before.

On another subject, Im sick of everyone sharing this dream that one day their pastor is gonna have 10,000 members and as a musician, you wont have to work anymore!  Thats so weak!  The church is not a crutch for lazy musicians!  And stop letting your church talk you in to something like that.  They will have you missing all kinds of oportunities because of their selfishness.  Follow your own heart.  Dont let anyone sway you from making moves that are logical and financially smart.  Take God with you...He's not just at church every sunday.  If He's in you, then He's everywhere you are. Make moves my people.   :)

Here's your answer.

Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: bigblackdrummer on April 21, 2008, 08:30:05 PM
Hey guys....here is the deal.  I play drums at the church....unpaid.  I have missed the last three choir rehearsals....with permission......due to having a three week stint playing a gig at a restaurant.  The restaurant has decided that they would like to pick us up weekly, for the same night in which we have choir/praise team rehearsal.  Now I have a decision....play the gig, and make $100+ a week, and not play at church (policy is no rehearsal, no play), or give up the gig to another guy and remain the church drummer.  Since the church does not pay me, and I need the cash with gas prices and day care costs the way they are, I am inclined to do that.  But I want to help the church, and I don't want to give up the spot.  Now, we do have band rehearsal on Saturday's, but still...I need to be at choir /praise team rehearsal to play.  What do you guys think.

Also I fear this.  I go on the gig, cuz I need the money, cuz the church does not pay me...then they go and HIRE someone to replace me.  I think that is a definite possibility, however stupid it may sound.  Just seems at time the church will pay for mediocrity outside, rather than take care of their own inside (and my opinion of myself is not mediocrity).....not saying my church will, but I have seen it many many times elsewhere, and just hope it does not happen in mine.
Ok forget all the Holy Spirit stuff and lets look at this practically!!! You need money bottom line.. Go to the Pastor and tell him what you told us, tell him whats going on and that you need the money but would like to be dedicated to the Church..Tell him all that you are asking for is 100 a week...Be straight up about it.

Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: L.V.Drumma on April 21, 2008, 08:38:42 PM
Ok forget all the Holy Spirit stuff and lets look at this practically!!! You need money bottom line.. Go to the Pastor and tell him what you told us, tell him whats going on and that you need the money but would like to be dedicated to the Church..Tell him all that you are asking for is 100 a week...Be straight up about it.



 :P
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: under13 on April 21, 2008, 08:43:40 PM
Ok forget all the Holy Spirit stuff and lets look at this practically!!! You need money bottom line.. Go to the Pastor and tell him what you told us, tell him whats going on and that you need the money but would like to be dedicated to the Church..Tell him all that you are asking for is 100 a week...Be straight up about it.




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Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: yamahaboy on April 21, 2008, 09:46:22 PM
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As Flavor Flav would say: " WOWWWWWW" :(


Your walking a tad thin there sir. :( ?/?
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: diligent-hands on April 21, 2008, 10:24:08 PM
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lmboooo!!!! now that was funny....  As a man of GOD i would pray and believe that HE will provide..remember we take care of Gods house and he will build ours..now most of us that say  " man go for the money,forget that..100 dollars thats alot God understands u need gas"...are usally the ones whose faith is tiny and thin.. FOLLOW YOUR HEART...BUMP WHAT LGM SAY... but hey thats just me..


DiligenT....
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: dude-on-drums on April 21, 2008, 10:29:28 PM
Say what you guys want but BBD is telling the truth.  There are a lot of saved idiots out there who are no earthly good to anyone.  Bottom line is this.  You can't look at everything from a spiritual standpoint because everything is not spiritual.  Sometimes its just plain common sense.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You need money.  Go make it.  Simple.  
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: JonathanLR on April 21, 2008, 10:36:05 PM
i would just tell the pastor of the church...listen i could have a job doin this and gettin this much money. but it interferes with this and this. and becuase it interferes then i cannot be the drummer at church. i really wanna stay the drummer here, but i also need money. if you think you could pay me what theyre offering me then im defiantly stayin here. but if not then i need money to provide for myself and family. let me know when you have a decision cuz the next thing is coming up on this date.

you really gota be straight up about things
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: yamahaboy on April 21, 2008, 10:41:19 PM
Say what you guys want but BBD is telling the truth.  There are a lot of saved idiots out there who are no earthly good to anyone.  Bottom line is this.  You can't look at everything from a spiritual standpoint because everything is not spiritual.  Sometimes its just plain common sense.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You need money.  Go make it.  Simple. 



Sheen I agree, some people are almost to deep. Sometimes you have to use common sense. " Man don't work, Man don't eat". The way BBD stated it was kind of surprising I guess :-\
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: under13 on April 21, 2008, 10:43:46 PM
Say what you guys want but BBD is telling the truth.  There are a lot of saved idiots out there who are no earthly good to anyone.  Bottom line is this.  You can't look at everything from a spiritual standpoint because everything is not spiritual.  Sometimes its just plain common sense.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You need money.  Go make it.  Simple.  


I dont look at everythng from a spiritual standpoint either, but as a christian musician, you should aproach your music ministry on a (holy)spiritual level. IMO
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: fretai03 on April 21, 2008, 11:36:20 PM
I dont look at everythng from a spiritual standpoint either, but as a christian musician, you should aproach your music ministry on a (holy)spiritual level. IMO

Unfortunately most local churches don't see it that way...

For the amount of healing & restoration a music ministry provides on its own or as support to the Holy Spirit - local churches still make all attempts to give as close to 1 cent as possible.

And yet the bible clearly shows that churches look after their ministers (ALL their ministers).
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: Audiocr381ve on April 22, 2008, 01:17:08 PM
Say what you guys want but BBD is telling the truth.  There are a lot of saved idiots out there who are no earthly good to anyone.  Bottom line is this.  You can't look at everything from a spiritual standpoint because everything is not spiritual.  Sometimes its just plain common sense.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You need money.  Go make it.  Simple. 


Sheen, shorten this down into a couple of sentences, so I can make a quote out of it and put it in bold next to avatar.  :P
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: blesedone1 on May 22, 2008, 09:17:19 AM
Simply explain to your church that youre taking another job and you wont be available to play there.  You dont have to tell them what it is youre doing or where youre going.  Tell them youre just doing it cause you need the money.  Its the truth.  Then they will say either "good luck" or "how can we help?"  Then you go from there. 

I'm tellin you guys this.  If you can afford to play for free and thats what you want to do, then do it.  But if you cant, then dont.  Simple.  Dont get caught up in the "but this is my church home" mentality.  Your church home will always be your church home.  That has nothing to do with what you do for them and what they do or dont do for you.  Work first.  Church second.

And another thing.  The longer you guys play for free, the harder it will be for someone to actually pay you good money because youre not building any value in your works.  When you go from one job to the next, they always want to know how much your last job paid.  If you have to tell them you worked for free, where do you think your pay will start out?  It could start out at $25 a week cause thats a heck of alot more than what you were getting before.

On another subject, Im sick of everyone sharing this dream that one day their pastor is gonna have 10,000 members and as a musician, you wont have to work anymore!  Thats so weak!  The church is not a crutch for lazy musicians!  And stop letting your church talk you in to something like that.  They will have you missing all kinds of oportunities because of their selfishness.  Follow your own heart.  Dont let anyone sway you from making moves that are logical and financially smart.  Take God with you...He's not just at church every sunday.  If He's in you, then He's everywhere you are.  Make moves my people.   :)
Wow...I'm just APPALLED that you would say WORK FIRST. CHURCH SECOND. Have you gone mad...! I mean just mad! What church are you attending? Who is your pastor? Let me guess..You're doing that now. DON'T EVER GIVE ADVICE LIKE THAT. That's ridiculous. That is the problem we are having now in today church's church musicians are not committed to there own church too busy always trying to make a fast buck. Learn how to pray more, seek more of God and be more involved in your church. You're not going to get blessed by blessing your ownself! YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND PRAY AGAIN.  ?/?
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: Blitcenary on May 22, 2008, 09:58:23 AM
Dude, straight up truth, God's gunna provide for you if you follow him.  I'm pretty sure he wants you to drum for your church.  This really could all be a test meant to strengthen your faith.

Let's look at possible scenarios:  let's say you keep drumming with your church and a newcomer sees your drumming and offers you an even better deal at an even better time.

If you trust in God he will always provide.  ALWAYS.

Plus...it would just suck watching someone else drum in your place man.  Worship would be...well...tedious.

Also, I can't even imagine asking my church for money.  It's backwards.  Don't we give money into the offering?  You're basically stopping with your tides if you ask for money back (I dunno the specifics of your tiding so this is probably really off).

Anyway, pray and read the Bible.  Talk to your pastor, be honest.  Hopefully, he'll lead you the way God want, not the way he himself wants.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: sjonathan02 on May 22, 2008, 11:14:09 AM
a. What did God say to you about this?

b. Go to the church and tell them what you've told us; they don't seem to care and/or aren't going to change how they deal with you, then you must provide for your family.

c. What do you want to do?


Ok forget all the Holy Spirit stuff and lets look at this practically!!! You need money bottom line.. Go to the Pastor and tell him what you told us, tell him whats going on and that you need the money but would like to be dedicated to the Church..Tell him all that you are asking for is 100 a week...Be straight up about it.

Looks familiar.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: pastor j sands on May 22, 2008, 11:50:58 AM
Get a Real Job :(
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on May 22, 2008, 11:52:45 AM
Get a Real Job :(

AMEN!!!
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: min_amw on May 22, 2008, 06:55:02 PM
Wow...I'm just APPALLED that you would say WORK FIRST. CHURCH SECOND. Have you gone mad...! I mean just mad! What church are you attending? Who is your pastor? Let me guess..You're doing that now. DON'T EVER GIVE ADVICE LIKE THAT. That's ridiculous. That is the problem we are having now in today church's church musicians are not committed to there own church too busy always trying to make a fast buck. Learn how to pray more, seek more of God and be more involved in your church. You're not going to get blessed by blessing your ownself! YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND PRAY AGAIN.  ?/?

     There are a couple things that need to be addressed. "Work First. Church Second." This comment can be taken various ways. Don't be so quick to take the worst viewpoint. Alot of people tend to mix up "Body of Christ" and "Church" (gathering place). Too many people are caught up in "going to the church BUILDING". Who cares where a person plays or worships? The worship and praise goes to God. A "church" isn't needed to experience God. The committment is to GOD 1st, not a group of people.
     As far as the money aspect, maybe more churches should get real and INVEST into the music department and not be SLOoooooow about it. The "church" experience has become too political. Way too many hoops to jump through. Folks want good music. Folks want the musicians to be on their "A" game. They want 7 rehearsals before Sunday. People expect all of this without realizing that musicians have expenses and BILLS just like everyone else. If "the church" was doing what it was suppossed to be doing in this case, someone would have seen the need and helped this person in their time of need. The need for finances doesn't equate to a lack of a relationship with God.
     Too many people are TOO involved with "church" and not involved enough with GOD! You can't blame all of the "church's" problems on the musician's needs and/or priorities.
     As far as "Blessing oneself"...... A person won't get blessed by sitting there and doing nothing. A person can have all the faith in the world. But it amounts to ZERO until you put it into action.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: bigblackdrummer on May 22, 2008, 09:27:09 PM
Wow...I'm just APPALLED that you would say WORK FIRST. CHURCH SECOND. Have you gone mad...! I mean just mad! What church are you attending? Who is your pastor? Let me guess..You're doing that now. DON'T EVER GIVE ADVICE LIKE THAT. That's ridiculous. That is the problem we are having now in today church's church musicians are not committed to there own church too busy always trying to make a fast buck. Learn how to pray more, seek more of God and be more involved in your church. You're not going to get blessed by blessing your ownself! YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND PRAY AGAIN.  ?/?


Be appalled!!!! No matter how you look at it its work, straight up!!! 1 Timothy 5:18 (King James Version):For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. Wage in other translations!

1 Timothy 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

A good read...  http://fm2.forministry.com/Article.asp?Channel=Home&SubChannel=Main&Record=2908





Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on May 22, 2008, 09:57:04 PM
     There are a couple things that need to be addressed. "Work First. Church Second." This comment can be taken various ways. Don't be so quick to take the worst viewpoint. Alot of people tend to mix up "Body of Christ" and "Church" (gathering place). Too many people are caught up in "going to the church BUILDING". Who cares where a person plays or worships? The worship and praise goes to God. A "church" isn't needed to experience God. The committment is to GOD 1st, not a group of people.
     As far as the money aspect, maybe more churches should get real and INVEST into the music department and not be SLOoooooow about it. The "church" experience has become too political. Way too many hoops to jump through. Folks want good music. Folks want the musicians to be on their "A" game. They want 7 rehearsals before Sunday. People expect all of this without realizing that musicians have expenses and BILLS just like everyone else. If "the church" was doing what it was suppossed to be doing in this case, someone would have seen the need and helped this person in their time of need. The need for finances doesn't equate to a lack of a relationship with God.
     Too many people are TOO involved with "church" and not involved enough with GOD! You can't blame all of the "church's" problems on the musician's needs and/or priorities.
     As far as "Blessing oneself"...... A person won't get blessed by sitting there and doing nothing. A person can have all the faith in the world. But it amounts to ZERO until you put it into action.


AMEN TO THAT!!! :)
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: NINOdaDRUMMA on May 22, 2008, 09:57:16 PM
IDK man jus remember god works in misterious ways.. This gig could be a way for him to get you discovered and move onto much bigger things in praising god or it could be jus a temporary gig.. But really when it comes down to it its all about wat u think the purpose of it is cuz ultimately no one thing someone says here is going to completely make up your mind so the best thing for us to truly do is jus support u in w.e decision u decide to make. good luck an were here for u fam...
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: JHJr on May 23, 2008, 10:33:36 PM
I had a simular situation in that i realized that the home church wasn't willing to pay, but wanted me to travel, buy supplies and attend practices and EXTRA services for free/with my own expenses. However, they had enough money to pay the organist. So i kicked rocks!! {This was my decision}, they definatly suffured from my absence and i suffered very little too because i didn't leave under God's timing. Moreover. I did feel good because i went to a COGIC church and played there for free, the difffrence is that they invested gratitude and appreciation and I no longer felt used and abused from the old church. So it's not always about money but what you value and what GOd says. 
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: blesedone1 on May 27, 2008, 02:48:24 PM
     There are a couple things that need to be addressed. "Work First. Church Second." This comment can be taken various ways. Don't be so quick to take the worst viewpoint. Alot of people tend to mix up "Body of Christ" and "Church" (gathering place). Too many people are caught up in "going to the church BUILDING". Who cares where a person plays or worships? The worship and praise goes to God. A "church" isn't needed to experience God. The committment is to GOD 1st, not a group of people.
     As far as the money aspect, maybe more churches should get real and INVEST into the music department and not be SLOoooooow about it. The "church" experience has become too political. Way too many hoops to jump through. Folks want good music. Folks want the musicians to be on their "A" game. They want 7 rehearsals before Sunday. People expect all of this without realizing that musicians have expenses and BILLS just like everyone else. If "the church" was doing what it was suppossed to be doing in this case, someone would have seen the need and helped this person in their time of need. The need for finances doesn't equate to a lack of a relationship with God.
     Too many people are TOO involved with "church" and not involved enough with GOD! You can't blame all of the "church's" problems on the musician's needs and/or priorities.
     As far as "Blessing oneself"...... A person won't get blessed by sitting there and doing nothing. A person can have all the faith in the world. But it amounts to ZERO until you put it into action.

yeah, still doesn't make sense. Go back and pray again! ?/?
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: min_amw on May 27, 2008, 04:04:26 PM
Makes plenty of sense. Get out of the deep and pray for UNDERSTANDING!
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: HeavenlyBeat08 on May 27, 2008, 04:10:28 PM
waht up bro? hey I really think this is a test bro, I'm not gonna preach to you or attempt to but stay faithful and true to yourself and you will come out the Victor, trust me its worth it,

p.s. Pass the test wit flying colors and your reward will be waaay greater than an extra $100 a wk ;D ;D ;D
I agree
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: BigFoot_BigThumb on May 27, 2008, 05:06:58 PM
I don't think that God will condemn you for playing at a restaurant.  It could be a path to an even bigger blessing.  Follow your own heart.  Don't let any of us sway you either way.  Some people think you will go to Hell for not using the word God in every sentence.  That happens in this forum as well.  But the church will play you quicker than the outside world.  Ask me how I know.  I would say

I mean it's one thing to live on faith, but a check filled out with faith on the "pay to the order of" line will still bounce waiting on faith to pay the bill.  It's not dirty money, so there's nothing wrong with the opportunity.  Yall act like he said he was going to play for Iron Maiden. 
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: JHJr on May 27, 2008, 07:12:02 PM
i got one thing to say to that and it's going to offend someone but i don't care because this strikes a huge nerve #1 " u don't see the pastor getting his check filled out on faith. yet they question your position in the body of christ and your gift. BUT!, he's is going to make sure he doesn't go hungry via tites and offering. #2 I'm really sick of the greed in the church on account of SOME of the church leadership for example i don't know if you realize this but why do they always have these mega church (wealthy) pastors on TBN speaking about give me 7, 70, 700, or 7,000 dollars for TBN and GOD will bless you. Don't get me wrong there are some genuine people speaking on there. but i get appaled when the speaker has million dollar homes, cars and money from thier church salary, that will make your head spin and they ask u for the money when collectivelly, they can raise the needed money. I believe that greedy capitalist spirts are on the leaders of most of these influentual churches. however this statement does not include ministers that make ther own money with books, consulting and ,etc. Like I said i don't like what i see stemming from my own personal eperiences with these snakes.

But in your case, ask God, have patience and he will direct your path
 
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: NINOdaDRUMMA on May 27, 2008, 08:56:22 PM
I don't think that God will condemn you for playing at a restaurant.  It could be a path to an even bigger blessing.  Follow your own heart.  Don't let any of us sway you either way.  Some people think you will go to Hell for not using the word God in every sentence.  That happens in this forum as well.  But the church will play you quicker than the outside world.

... thats exactly what i meant.. i guess u jus worded it a lil better lol
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: bigblackdrummer on May 27, 2008, 10:49:57 PM
i got one thing to say to that and it's going to offend someone but i don't care because this strikes a huge nerve #1 " u don't see the pastor getting his check filled out on faith. yet they question your position in the body of christ and your gift. BUT!, he's is going to make sure he doesn't go hungry via tites and offering. #2 I'm really sick of the greed in the church on account of SOME of the church leadership for example i don't know if you realize this but why do they always have these mega church (wealthy) pastors on TBN speaking about give me 7, 70, 700, or 7,000 dollars for TBN and GOD will bless you. Don't get me wrong there are some genuine people speaking on there. but i get appaled when the speaker has million dollar homes, cars and money from thier church salary, that will make your head spin and they ask u for the money when collectivelly, they can raise the needed money. I believe that greedy capitalist spirts are on the leaders of most of these influentual churches. however this statement does not include ministers that make ther own money with books, consulting and ,etc. Like I said i don't like what i see stemming from my own personal eperiences with these snakes.

But in your case, ask God, have patience and he will direct your path
 

Theres nothing wrong with Pastors being multi millionares and having nice things IF everybody else in his ministry is being taken care of right (money) !!!
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: JFunky on May 28, 2008, 08:12:23 AM
Theres nothing wrong with Pastors being multi millionares and having nice things IF everybody else in his ministry is being taken care of right (money) !!!


...well someone needs to take care of me so that I can too join the Elite Spiritual Club and drive these to church and live here..... (sarcasm)

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Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: bigblackdrummer on May 28, 2008, 09:35:23 AM
...well someone needs to take care of me so that I can too join the Elite Spiritual Club and drive these to church and live here..... 

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I already have all of that my spanish ni**@
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: Blitcenary on May 28, 2008, 10:24:36 AM
Yo...this is getting really messed up.  I'm not going to point any names but...are we all chirstians here?
Another thing I want to say is that every church is different.  I don't know how corrupt or uncorrupt your pastors are, but I believe mine to be strong and humble men of God.  They never tell us how much we should give into the offering...EVER.  The only advice we ever get on that is, "Pray to God and ask him to guide you in how you should approch this."
When we needed money for a new building, that's exactly what they said, "Go to God and ask him how you should approch this."

Back to the original question; I stand by what I said before and add this,
 "What would you enjoy more?  Worshiping with your instrument?  Or playing your instrument."
I believe playing in my church band to be payment in itself.  It's SO much fun!  And I'm in two other bands so it's not like it's my only chance to 'jam'.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: JFunky on May 28, 2008, 10:51:52 AM
I already have all of that my spanish ni**@

...whatever man.  Yall dudes are hustling the Gospel like that, huh? 

Yo...this is getting really messed up.  I'm not going to point any names but...are we all chirstians here?

...I'm not a "chirstians".  I don't even know what that is.  I think bigblack is though.lol
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on May 28, 2008, 12:00:14 PM
I already have all of that my spanish ni**@

Curtis, we stop using the n-word in Black America years ago bruh. Well, some of us did. It ain't cute, nor cool. Whenever I've talked to you on the phone, you sound real proper, like a valley boy with Burkenstocks on with the heal and the toe out... Chill out man.
 Plus, you drive a Chevy SUV, just like me, stop frontin'..
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: min_amw on May 28, 2008, 01:10:48 PM
Curtis, we stop using the n-word in Black America years ago bruh. Well, some of us did. It ain't cute, nor cool. When ever I've talked to you on the phone, you sound real proper, like a valley boy with Burkenstocks on with the heal and the toe out... Chill out man.
 Plus, you drive a Chevy SUV, just like me, stop frontin'..

Why are you gettin' on his accent? He can't help that. LOL!
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: bigblackdrummer on May 28, 2008, 01:26:42 PM
Yo...this is getting really messed up.  I'm not going to point any names but...are we all christians here?
Another thing I want to say is that every church is different.  I don't know how corrupt or uncorrupt your pastors are, but I believe mine to be strong and humble men of God.  They never tell us how much we should give into the offering...EVER.  The only advice we ever get on that is, "Pray to God and ask him to guide you in how you should approach this."
When we needed money for a new building, that's exactly what they said, "Go to God and ask him how you should approach this."

Back to the original question; I stand by what I said before and add this,
 "What would you enjoy more?  Worshiping with your instrument?  Or playing your instrument."
I believe playing in my church band to be payment in itself.  It's SO much fun!  And I'm in two other bands so it's not like it's my only chance to 'jam'.

Worshiping with your instrument?  Or playing your instrument." I like to do both, again its biblical that one gets paid for his work in the Church!!!! You cant condemn anyone because they want to be paid!!! If you don't then that your opinion and I respect and commend you for that. Me personally my Church doesn't pay me a cent! I wish they would, I get paid when I play at everybody else's Church (and good too!) so why should mine be different!? I  have mouths and bills too just like the music Pastor and the Pastors!!!!
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: Audiocr381ve on May 28, 2008, 04:21:47 PM
b_jizzle20 I need a breakdown of what's been going on here. I'm to lazy to read through 3 pages. . .
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on May 28, 2008, 06:48:44 PM
Why are you gettin' on his accent? He can't help that. LOL!
He doesn't have an accent. He talks like a  American caucasian from Kansas, not French or a hood thug. He's not from the hood, and that's ok. But don't act like you hard online. Keep it real. He's actually a good person, and I like him. He's a good dude. He needs to stop using the N-word on this website. Some folks will probably say "Oh BBD is keeping it real, he hard", but I don't think so and plus he's say's he can't rep Luen with that type of talk. I got his heads... :-\
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: b_jizzle20 on May 28, 2008, 07:33:34 PM
b_jizzle20 I need a breakdown of what's been going on here. I'm to lazy to read through 3 pages. . .

Current Thread summary:

-shall176 has a dilema....
-A weekly resturant gig for 100+/week on one of his church rehersal days
-He needs the extra gwop but he wants to play for church but the church dont pay him.
-What should he do????
-Get pay, and not play, on Sunday.... or make money, another way, and play, on Sunday??
-Some say....."Get the pay, and ask the church if its....Okay." others say, "Play on Sunday and God will make another way."
-Some churches like to take advantage of their musicians
-Follow your convictions
-Nothing wrong with Pastors being millionars if everyones taken care of
-JFunky wants to be taken care of (sarcastic)
-The use of the N-word aint cute nor cool
-Audiocr381ve is lazy
-BBD is a good person
-b_jizzle20 gives a breif summary....
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: j_kay on May 28, 2008, 07:53:16 PM
Ay, b_jizzle20 - you should put "LGM's own Cliff's Notes" under your avatar, instead of "Dont worry.....Be happy!"

For real, doc.  Make it happen, cap'n!
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: CJKeyboardPlaya on May 28, 2008, 08:02:44 PM
thanks...
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: j_kay on May 28, 2008, 08:04:21 PM
thanks...

See, b_jizzle20?  You have about three happy customers.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: b_jizzle20 on May 28, 2008, 09:24:31 PM
thanks...

No problem bruh

Ay, b_jizzle20 - you should put "LGM's own Cliff's Notes" under your avatar, instead of "Dont worry.....Be happy!"

For real, doc.  Make it happen, cap'n!


Sure, but I require a $5/hour maintenance fee.

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Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: NINOdaDRUMMA on May 28, 2008, 10:01:21 PM
Current Thread summary:

-shall176 has a dilema....
-A weekly resturant gig for 100+/week on one of his church rehersal days
-He needs the extra gwop but he wants to play for church but the church dont pay him.
-What should he do????
-Get pay, and not play, on Sunday.... or make money, another way, and play, on Sunday??
-Some say....."Get the pay, and ask the church if its....Okay." others say, "Play on Sunday and God will make another way."
-Some churches like to take advantage of their musicians
-Follow your convictions
-Nothing wrong with Pastors being millionars if everyones taken care of
-JFunky wants to be taken care of (sarcastic)
-The use of the N-word aint cute nor cool
-Audiocr381ve is lazy
-BBD is a good person
-b_jizzle20 gives a breif summary....
i gotta laugh out of this.. il donate lol
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on May 28, 2008, 10:23:36 PM
Current Thread summary:

-shall176 has a dilema....
-A weekly resturant gig for 100+/week on one of his church rehersal days
-He needs the extra gwop but he wants to play for church but the church dont pay him.
-What should he do????
-Get pay, and not play, on Sunday.... or make money, another way, and play, on Sunday??
-Some say....."Get the pay, and ask the church if its....Okay." others say, "Play on Sunday and God will make another way."
-Some churches like to take advantage of their musicians
-Follow your convictions
-Nothing wrong with Pastors being millionars if everyones taken care of
-JFunky wants to be taken care of (sarcastic)
-The use of the N-word aint cute nor cool
-Audiocr381ve is lazy
-BBD is a good person
-b_jizzle20 gives a breif summary....

LOL!!! That's it in a nutshell :D!!!
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: Blitcenary on May 29, 2008, 10:06:33 AM
...I'm not a "chirstians".  I don't even know what that is.  I think bigblack is though.lol

This is a Gospel music site right? I'm not hating, honest, and I believe I said I wasn't pointing at anyone either.
Whatever, just please explain what you meant by 'I don't even know what that is'.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: Audiocr381ve on May 29, 2008, 12:05:28 PM
Thanks, that clears it up. I saw all of Jfunkys pictures and I was like "what the heck is happening in this thread?" Then I saw 3 pages of reading....
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: JFunky on May 29, 2008, 12:45:28 PM
...well someone needs to take care of me so that I can too join the Elite Spiritual Club and drive these to church and live here..... (sarcasm)


Yo...this is getting really messed up.  I'm not going to point any names but...are we all chirstians here?


... I'm not a "chirstians".   I don't even know what that is.  I think bigblack is though.lol


This is a Gospel music site right? I'm not hating, honest, and I believe I said I wasn't pointing at anyone either.
Whatever, just please explain what you meant by 'I don't even know what that is'.



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Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: bigblackdrummer on May 29, 2008, 02:45:50 PM
Curtis, we stop using the n-word in Black America years ago bruh. Well, some of us did. It ain't cute, nor cool. Whenever I've talked to you on the phone, you sound real proper, like a valley boy with Burkenstocks on with the heal and the toe out... Chill out man.
 Plus, you drive a Chevy SUV, just like me, stop frontin'..

Its funny eh, I do talk different on here I dont know why and I drive a Ford!!! LOL!!!!
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: BigFoot_BigThumb on May 29, 2008, 03:49:26 PM
Its funny eh, I do talk different on here I dont know why and I drive a Ford!!! LOL!!!!

You are truly Canadian.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on May 29, 2008, 04:02:39 PM
You are truly Canadian.
Truly he is,  :D LOL
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: docjohn on May 29, 2008, 04:49:40 PM
hey bro,have you considered asking the other gig if they could switch days? that way you could do both.if this gig is only couple weeks;can the church switch  days for a few sessions? if you have been faithful;can't they cut you some slack?explain to the rest of team this is a rare exeception for a brief time  for a FAITHFUL steward.do you REAALY need or just WANT a few bucks? be praying for you
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: JFunky on May 29, 2008, 06:21:39 PM
You are truly Canadian.

...and a chirstian that drives a Ford. lol  It's true though...Curtis and bigblack are nothing alike.  They're like two totally different people.lol 
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: Blitcenary on May 30, 2008, 09:52:21 AM
Oh, I spelled it wrong.  Now I get it.  Sorry, I just read it as a bold statment, not a joke.  I never checked for such a simple thing as spelling.  Obviously, I meant to say 'Christian', not Chirstion.  My bad, I type too fast sometimes.
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on May 30, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
Oh, I spelled it wrong.  Now I get it.  Sorry, I just read it as a bold statment, not a joke.  I never checked for such a simple thing as spelling.  Obviously, I meant to say 'Christian', not Chirstion.  My bad, I type too fast sometimes.


Now you are apart of the fam. I was thinking to myself " this dude is gonna be eaten alive in here, he just doesn't get it" You got to have thick skin in here man.
Welcome to the Drum room.  :)
Title: Re: Got a dilemma....would like suggestions
Post by: bigblackdrummer on May 30, 2008, 02:01:16 PM
...and a chirstian that drives a Ford. lol  It's true though...Curtis and bigblack are nothing alike.  They're like two totally different people.lol 

I find it funny that my BBD IS such a different person, LOL maybe I ned to see a shrink!