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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: diverse379 on May 19, 2008, 12:47:50 PM
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has this happened to you?
you buy a dvd watch it once or twice learn a move or two then put it away never to watch it again
you were impressed with what you heard but somehow you just cant seem to play like them
well I have been there
I have every dvd and video sebastian and hear and play puts out
plus the worship extreme and gospel chops dvds as well
and many from homespun tapes
Here is a suggestion for those of you who have more than two dvds from wheat works
Sebastian formatted his tapes similarly
they all have 2 5 1 changes
they all have shouts
preacher chords
talk music
and worship moves
so use this to your advantage
maybe you are playing organ
so grab a few left hand chords from roger jean and a couple more from pj morgan
or grab a whole bunch from organ essentials
maybe
you want to learn a 2 5 1
learn how cassandra does it
then get pj version
and combine it with the eddie howard
you want runs
go to john peters and justin gilbert
my feeling on Dvds is that they are great
but lets face it you arent going to get great over night
and I think it takes tremendous discipline to stay with a dvd for the couple of years it may take you to become that fluid in all your keys
so take drops and tid bits
on the pertinent things that you need to develop
here are some specific examples
if you want traditional piano rag time devotional shout moves
justin gilbert
john peters
hear and play 300
for shouts
john peters
pj morgan
cassandra oniel
hear and play 500
for 25 1 's
any wheat works product except roger jeans brooklyn organ
(great dvd just no 2 5 1's
for more extended progressions
I like pj morgans tape chords
for runs pj also put out a tape called runs
justin has runs
and john peters has several runs
pj morgan has several runs
crazy chords and runs has several runs
phat voicings
cassandra oniel
justin gilbert
pj morgan
hymns
ethel caffie austin
gopsel piano homespun tapes
pamela davis wheat works
essentials series hymns and beyond wheat works
if you just want songs
you sometimes dont know all the songs on a dvd until you purchase it so here is a list of some of the songs
if you want me to put out a list of all the songs that are on the various dvd's then let me know and I will put a list together
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Ok, the high time has come for me to go with my (in)famous request:
Plz start a "diverse" S.(http://ctasa.freeforums.org/files/ctasa/smilies/hsnono.gif)..
I don't have 98% of those dvds, but I know gk300 & 600 will help me out tremendously & not just in the key of Ab.
Thank for another 5 star rated review..
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So where does Jamal Hartwell fit in?
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So where does Jamal Hartwell fit in?
Me thinks 'twas an unintended omission; but Jamal is certainly included in Diverse's list if you are doing tritones , worship & all the neo-soul stuff.
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Me thinks 'twas an unintended omission; but Jamal is certainly included in Diverse's list if you are doing tritones , worship & all the neo-soul stuff.
Me thinks 'twas an unintended omission; but Jamal is certainly included in Diverse's list if you are doing tritones , worship & all the neo-soul stuff.
sorry it was an unintended ommission
jamal hartwells project the extreme which is the one I have
is unequaled for quickly getting you up to speed on modern chord changes
it propelled me faster then any other project I own,
I would recommend it primarily for voicings and neo sould worship
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I have Jamal Hartwell's Urban Extreme and it is indeed a very COMPLEX dvd set to say the least. It is definitely not for beginners. I also agree with you diverse on the fact that you have to be willing to stick to something in order to get results.
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how does the progressions work I understand what they are but I don't understand how they work... I mean I can play a 2-5-1 progression in any key but what else do I do or just follow the number system...any tips...
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how does the progressions work I understand what they are but I don't understand how they work... I mean I can play a 2-5-1 progression in any key but what else do I do or just follow the number system...any tips...
progressions are just a way to get the harmony to support the melody
in any key if your melody sticks to the key you are in
the one chord will harmonize three notes
the five chord will harmonize two additional notes
and the four chord will harmonize the remaining two notes
so the one four five
chords will harmonize every note in a given melody providing it stays in key
you can replace the two chord for the four chord
so now we get the 2 5 1
you can expand the one chord
meaning if you are sitting on it for a while
you can play different bass notes under help create motion
that is where we get the 1 3 6 2 5 1
the 6 chord and the 3 chord fill in for the 1 chord
and the 7 fills in for the 5 chord
the 6 chord can also lead to the four chord
all this may seem confusing
but it all starts
with the one chord and the 5 chord
and the four
if you just use these three chords you can play with most songs
when you get more advance you can use the 2 5 1
as a little intro to each new chord you will play
so to introduce the one chord you play 2 5 and then 1
when you want to go to the four chord
you introduce it by
playing a 2 5 1 in the key of the 4 chord
so if you were in the key of
C and you want to go to the F
you introduce the F by playing g min7 C7
Fmaj
2 5 1
so now you have it 2 5 1 are derived from 4 5 1
and they have over time become embellishments
as well static chords to rest on to support the melody
I have Jamal Hartwell's Urban Extreme and it is indeed a very COMPLEX dvd set to say the least. It is definitely not for beginners. I also agree with you diverse on the fact that you have to be willing to stick to something in order to get results.
I didnt see it as complex
but hat is because I realized that a lot of what he was saying didnt make real sense
the chords were beautiful
but a lot of the terminology was incorrect
like the major chord on steroids was in reality a minor 11 chord not a major chord at all
and could not be used a s a major chord
the di tone was really an altered seventh chord
what I did was just watch and practice along with the dvd
from the beginning everytime I watched it until I was playing along with him note for note everything he did
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... all this may seem confusing ...
May??
I believe I read that Jamal is coming out with a new DVD that explains this number system. I'd like to get it so I can keep up with what you all are talking about.
I can tell you that when I play some of the chords from his "Urban Worship", I always get an "ooh I like that" response.
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May??
I believe I read that Jamal is coming out with a new DVD that explains this number system. I'd like to get it so I can keep up with what you all are talking about.
I can tell you that when I play some of the chords from his "Urban Worship", I always get an "ooh I like that" response.
I'm going to assume that you drive. With that said, there are TWO ways of getting from Point A (say, you're house) to Point B (say, you're job).
Way #1: The direct route (fewer lights, nothing to see, no traffic, etc)
This way gets you to basic core of a song: The 1, 4, 5, 1 of a song. MOST songs have this direct route.
Way #2: The scenic route (may be some lights, not in a rush to get to work, pretty sights along the way, etc)
This way gets you to the core of a song, it's just a more interesting way of getting there.
That's what the 2-5-1 is; a more interesting way of getting to Point B (the end of a song).
So, instead of say going DIRECTLY from the 1 (the first chord of a song) to the 4 (let's say it's the second chord of the song) you decide to take the scenic route (using the 2-5-1).
Now, I can imagine your question: From where am I getting the 2-5-1 chords? That's where your knowledge of scales comes in; and, if you don't have THAT knowledge: STOP. RIGHT. HERE!
If you do, then I'll be back later to try to expound simply, but, further.
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I have made it a point not to buy anymore DVDs until i finish teh ones i am working on. IN fact, i am not buying anymore music books until i am through with the ones i have. There was a time i would buy a book, skim through, buy another, skim through...i was getting nowhere fast.
Right now i have a book on scales, chord progressions and the Hanon. I also bought Donnie McClurkin's "The Essential D.MClurkin" and i am currently playing through the songs so i can get a feel for playing in different keys.
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I'm going to assume that you drive. With that said, there are TWO ways of getting from Point A (say, you're house) to Point B (say, you're job).
Way #1: The direct route (fewer lights, nothing to see, no traffic, etc)
This way gets you to basic core of a song: The 1, 4, 5, 1 of a song. MOST songs have this direct route.
Way #2: The scenic route (may be some lights, not in a rush to get to work, pretty sights along the way, etc)
This way gets you to the core of a song, it's just a more interesting way of getting there.
That's what the 2-5-1 is; a more interesting way of getting to Point B (the end of a song).
So, instead of say going DIRECTLY from the 1 (the first chord of a song) to the 4 (let's say it's the second chord of the song) you decide to take the scenic route (using the 2-5-1).
Now, I can imagine your question: From where am I getting the 2-5-1 chords? That's where your knowledge of scales comes in; and, if you don't have THAT knowledge: STOP. RIGHT. HERE!
If you do, then I'll be back later to try to expound simply, but, further.
I can follow your example, but I'm not sure what the 1 chord consists of, the 2 etc...
See I've been playing for my church going on 5 years now. I'm sure I've played some of these progression not knowing which was the 1-4-5 or the 2-5-1 or whatever.
I was taught to play mostly from learning certain patterns that are common to a lot of gospel music. I'm pretty sure these patterns were 1-4-5-, 2-5-1, and so forth but my instructor didn't teach me the number part (maybe he didn't know).
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Kevin Conley (K.C.) probaly has the best all-around wheatworks dvd ever made as there is something any player, at any level can get something out of it
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May??
I believe I read that Jamal is coming out with a new DVD that explains this number system. I'd like to get it so I can keep up with what you all are talking about.
I can tell you that when I play some of the chords from his "Urban Worship", I always get an "ooh I like that" response.
I agree I have the extreme and I get the same thing
if you use them sparingly it is always a surprise
reaction
or a knowing nod.
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I can follow your example, but I'm not sure what the 1 chord consists of, the 2 etc...
See I've been playing for my church going on 5 years now. I'm sure I've played some of these progression not knowing which was the 1-4-5 or the 2-5-1 or whatever.
I was taught to play mostly from learning certain patterns that are common to a lot of gospel music. I'm pretty sure these patterns were 1-4-5-, 2-5-1, and so forth but my instructor didn't teach me the number part (maybe he didn't know).
What do you mean by, 'consists of'? If you're saying you don't know what notes or type of chord is to be played with the 1 chord, then that's easy enough.
Let me know. Kevin Conley (K.C.) probaly has the best all-around wheatworks dvd ever made as there is something any player, at any level can get something out of it
COSIGN. I recently purchased it and my summer shall be spent digesting the SNOT outta this DVD.
I do wish, when he does a second DVD, he'd spend more time breaking things down and breaking them DOWN, SLOWLY.
The trouble with creative folks: When they start to "feel" what they're teacing they take off and run and leave us novices behind. :-\
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The trouble with creative folks: When they start to "feel" what they're teacing they take off and run and leave us novices behind. :-\
Thats not a bad thing to me, cuz in the future when you are at an advanced level, you can go back to the dvd and learn something new. You also have to work on learning the things that arent broken down, because we cant always rely on people breaking stuff down. Yeah, it may be hard and it wont sound exactly like the player, but it will help your development. Thats one the differences between Intermediates and advanced players.
Kevin Conley (K.C.) probaly has the best all-around wheatworks dvd ever made as there is something any player, at any level can get something out of it
I'm ordering this right now. I'm not much of a theory guy, but I have to admit, the number system makes it a lot easier to learn.
I can follow your example, but I'm not sure what the 1 chord consists of, the 2 etc...
See I've been playing for my church going on 5 years now. I'm sure I've played some of these progression not knowing which was the 1-4-5 or the 2-5-1 or whatever.
I was taught to play mostly from learning certain patterns that are common to a lot of gospel music. I'm pretty sure these patterns were 1-4-5-, 2-5-1, and so forth but my instructor didn't teach me the number part (maybe he didn't know).
Check these out
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,53939.0.html
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php?action=search2
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some really good advice in this post
Sjonathon does a great job of providing a great analogy
fenix says he will buy no more Dvd's or books
I cant say I blame him
but I will say dont be so hard on yourself
I utilize all my books at one time or another
and I dont regret buying any of them
because there is so much to this music thing
there is always something new to learn
as we get older we grow wiser
and maybe as your advance your needs change and so your library has to expand to grow with you
but I am not trying to throw you off your game
study hard but if you find your self geting to a rut
by all means buy a new book or dvd
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some really good advice in this post
Sjonathon does a great job of providing a great analogy
fenix says he will buy no more Dvd's or books
I cant say I blame him
but I will say dont be so hard on yourself
I utilize all my books at one time or another
and I dont regret buying any of them
because there is so much to this music thing
there is always something new to learn
as we get older we grow wiser
and maybe as your advance your needs change and so your library has to expand to grow with you
but I am not trying to throw you off your game
study hard but if you find your self geting to a rut
by all means buy a new book or dvd
Yeah thanks. It started to get a bit discouraging. I think i just have to settle on a practice routine.
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Thats not a bad thing to me, cuz in the future when you are at an advanced level, you can go back to the dvd and learn something new. You also have to work on learning the things that arent broken down, because we cant always rely on people breaking stuff down. Yeah, it may be hard and it wont sound exactly like the player, but it will help your development. Thats one the differences between Intermediates and advanced players.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. ;)
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Yeah thanks. It started to get a bit discouraging. I think i just have to settle on a practice routine.
You and me both, chief.
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Yeah thanks. It started to get a bit discouraging. I think i just have to settle on a practice routine.
pm me If I can I may be able to help you get a practice routine together
practice is my specialty
just let me know your goals and where you are now in terms of style voicings etc
I will tailor a program for you
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. ;)
Have you tried Je.. I mean Teachers?
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Thats not a bad thing to me, cuz in the future when you are at an advanced level, you can go back to the dvd and learn something new. You also have to work on learning the things that arent broken down, because we cant always rely on people breaking stuff down. Yeah, it may be hard and it wont sound exactly like the player, but it will help your development. Thats one the differences between Intermediates and advanced players.
I'm ordering this right now. I'm not much of a theory guy, but I have to admit, the number system makes it a lot easier to learn.
Check these out
[url]http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,53939.0.html[/url]
[url]http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php?action=search2[/url]
good point I have revisited some of my dvds that I purchased 6 years ago and I can now get a lot out of them where as before I was stuck on stupid
we have to remember that these guys on the dvds are selected because they are monsters on the boards
so as intermediate and beginners we are going to get left behind
but each year we grow a little more
our abilities increase
look at it like they are planting seeds
and each year we grow stronger and stronger
and our roots get deeper and deeper
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Is there a book store in NYC that sells wheatworks DVDs?
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Is there a book store in NYC that sells wheatworks DVDs?
not that I know of but if you live in nyc
sebastian travels with his dvds
when he does his repairs
he may just meet you at a church near you
when he is in your area
pm him
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not that I know of but if you live in nyc
sebastian travels with his dvds
when he does his repairs
he may just meet you at a church near you
when he is in your area
pm him
Thanks for the info. I'm right by Queens, i'm sure he's around there all the time