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Gospel Instruments => General Music Hangout => Topic started by: jjjoe on June 08, 2008, 07:29:05 PM
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why do some musicians have a problem with the key of B?
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cuz they dont practice in it.
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I know some professional musicians who says that the hardest key for them to play in is the
key of B and I was trying to figure out why should they have a problem with it.
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Thats just my theory. I dont even practie in b, but I can still hold it down. Its easy for me cuz I like playing with the black keys.
NOw put me in Keys with all or mostly white notes(c g f), and I wont pkay as fancy and eloquent as I do in any other key. Probaly because of the fingering. and the fingering is probaly hard for me because I dont play in those keys. and thats probaly because most black music is not writtin in those keys.
there is a song by vanessa carlton called "a thousand miles". I'm sure you heard of it. Its in B. Every body and they baby mama is killin that song on youtube, so The key of B cant be that hard. I even have a version of that song on youtube, but I mesed up so ima hafta to redo it. (see my sig)
I say that any key i easy if you practice in it, know the fingering, know what notes belong, and dont belong etc.
But then again, all muscians are different so...........
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I watch the video and who ever playing the piano or keyboard sounds good
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I dont know I think that crazy too cuz if u play in Ab u pretty much play in B.....the biggest thing for me was learning closely related keys and theory.
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Yeah B is a fairly awkward key. Its primarily because the primary chords are awkwardly placed. Playing an E major to an F# major is not the easiest thing to do (for me). I am pretty good in B cuz i practiced using the circle of fifths, but i would rather ust not play in B.
Now E on the piano is a VERY awkward key for me. I would rather skip it too except our church does all these Israel songs and i have to play in E.
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I watch the video and who ever playing the piano or keyboard sounds good
Thanks.
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Yeah B is a fairly awkward key. Its primarily because the primary chords are awkwardly placed. Playing an E major to an F# major is not the easiest thing to do (for me). I am pretty good in B cuz i practiced using the circle of fifths, but i would rather ust not play in B.
Now E on the piano is a VERY awkward key for me. I would rather skip it too except our church does all these Israel songs and i have to play in E.
I used to hate B. Now, it's not bad at all. Quite a few Stevie Wonder songs are in B major and it shares some of the same chords with Ab minor. Soloing in B minor is similar to soloing in Gb/F# major.
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what do you mean soloing?
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what do you mean soloing?
Playing melodic phrases, sometimes referred to as runs.
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is there anyway you can help me with soloing please
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Playing melodic phrases, sometimes referred to as runs.
is there anyway you can help me with soloing please
TMR, if you start teaching him, you HAVE to start teaching me.
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TMR, if you start teaching him, you HAVE to start teaching me.
And me
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is there anyway you can help me with soloing please
You probably want to work on your scales. Learn them in each key and start of slow and do them faster as you get more familiar with them.
Guys, I'm no teacher. T-block is the go to guy for that. ;D
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You probably want to work on your scales. Learn them in each key and start of slow and do them faster as you get more familiar with them.
Guys, I'm no teacher. T-block is the go to guy for that. ;D
Yeah, whatever. Just give us a time you want to meet up in the chatroom and i'll be there.
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Yeah, whatever. Just give us a time you want to meet up in the chatroom and i'll be there.
I'll be there too
Yeah B is a fairly awkward key. Its primarily because the primary chords are awkwardly placed. Playing an E major to an F# major is not the easiest thing to do (for me). I am pretty good in B cuz i practiced using the circle of fifths, but i would rather ust not play in B.
Now E on the piano is a VERY awkward key for me. I would rather skip it too except our church does all these Israel songs and i have to play in E.
The key of E is very unpleasant to me too. :-[ :-[ :'( :'(
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The reason why so many people have problems with playing in unfamiliar keys is because they are scared of getting out of their comfort zone. It's gonna require them to slow down and really take time to focus to get better at that particular key. I hear excuses like "Why do I have to practice in that key when I can just hit a button? It's much faster." That is pure pyscho-babble!!!
Most people want things done NOW NOW NOW, hardly anyone wants to wait anymore. I just can't figure out why keyboardists can't take time to learn every key when every other instrument player (besides the capo guitarist) has no other choice. It's really a shame b4 God that this is happening.
You can't expect to be a great player in a month, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. You can't even expect to be a great player in a year, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Most of the so-called "great" musicians have at least 10 years of experience under their belt, it didn't happen overnight. You will not see the results of all your hard work until much later down the road, so why not take time out now and learn everything you can?
The sooner we stop making excuses like "that key has awkward fingering" or "that takes too long" and MAN UP, the better off we as musicians will be. Yes, I'm talking to myself as well. It's time out for this foolishness, this is serious business and we should start taking it seriously. God has given us musical gifts & talents that we should be expanding & not sitting down on. Just like it took time to get good in one key, it's gonna take the same (and even more) time to get good in the other ones as well.
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The reason why so many people have problems with playing in unfamiliar keys is because they are scared of getting out of their comfort zone. It's gonna require them to slow down and really take time to focus to get better at that particular key. I hear excuses like "Why do I have to practice in that key when I can just hit a button? It's much faster." That is pure pyscho-babble!!!
Most people want things done NOW NOW NOW, hardly anyone wants to wait anymore. I just can't figure out why keyboardists can't take time to learn every key when every other instrument player (besides the capo guitarist) has no other choice. It's really a shame b4 God that this is happening.
You can't expect to be a great player in a month, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. You can't even expect to be a great player in a year, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Most of the so-called "great" musicians have at least 10 years of experience under their belt, it didn't happen overnight. You will not see the results of all your hard work until much later down the road, so why not take time out now and learn everything you can?
The sooner we stop making excuses like "that key has awkward fingering" or "that takes too long" and MAN UP, the better off we as musicians will be. Yes, I'm talking to myself as well. It's time out for this foolishness, this is serious business and we should start taking it seriously. God has given us musical gifts & talents that we should be expanding & not sitting down on. Just like it took time to get good in one key, it's gonna take the same (and even more) time to get good in the other ones as well.
Why did you stop talking? I was about to start an offering line man. Real good. ?/? ?/?
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Why did you stop talking? I was about to start an offering line man. Real good. ?/? ?/?
Someone is on their soapbox today. ;D
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Why did you stop talking? I was about to start an offering line man. Real good. ?/? ?/?
Cuz I was done, LOL. Besides, I would have just been repeating myself and I hate doing that. By the way, u can still start da offering line, he he he he.
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Cuz I was done, LOL. Besides, I would have just been repeating myself and I hate doing that. By the way, u can still start da offering line, he he he he.
Offering line for T-Block starts here: $100 minimum.
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The reason why so many people have problems with playing in unfamiliar keys is because they are scared of getting out of their comfort zone. It's gonna require them to slow down and really take time to focus to get better at that particular key. I hear excuses like "Why do I have to practice in that key when I can just hit a button? It's much faster." That is pure pyscho-babble!!!
Most people want things done NOW NOW NOW, hardly anyone wants to wait anymore. I just can't figure out why keyboardists can't take time to learn every key when every other instrument player (besides the capo guitarist) has no other choice. It's really a shame b4 God that this is happening.
You can't expect to be a great player in a month, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. You can't even expect to be a great player in a year, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Most of the so-called "great" musicians have at least 10 years of experience under their belt, it didn't happen overnight. You will not see the results of all your hard work until much later down the road, so why not take time out now and learn everything you can?
The sooner we stop making excuses like "that key has awkward fingering" or "that takes too long" and MAN UP, the better off we as musicians will be. Yes, I'm talking to myself as well. It's time out for this foolishness, this is serious business and we should start taking it seriously. God has given us musical gifts & talents that we should be expanding & not sitting down on. Just like it took time to get good in one key, it's gonna take the same (and even more) time to get good in the other ones as well.
Tight but its right!!!!
I play in all keys but some of them are not as easy as others. It took me a while to get the concept of transposing on paper and not with a button. But I took a song I loved and I manually transposed that song every key and I practiced everyday until I learned that song in every key. Now I am able to hold my own in ever key. Like U13, I don't play fancy or comfortably in each key but I do play in every key...I even modulate my songs now. It can be done but it take an incredible amount to time and patience. Thanks T-block for your help...I wouldn't have cared about learning in every key if it wasnt for you.
BTW, I really enjoyed hearing you play at our Midnight Madness.....YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!
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BTW, I really enjoyed hearing you play at our Midnight Madness.....YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!
Yeah, him and CJ were killin it.
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Yeah, him and CJ were killin it.
You were there too????
Man i missed out. :(
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Tight but its right!!!!
I play in all keys but some of them are not as easy as others. It took me a while to get the concept of transposing on paper and not with a button. But I took a song I loved and I manually transposed that song every key and I practiced everyday until I learned that song in every key. Now I am able to hold my own in ever key. Like U13, I don't play fancy or comfortably in each key but I do play in every key...I even modulate my songs now. It can be done but it take an incredible amount to time and patience. Thanks T-block for your help...I wouldn't have cared about learning in every key if it wasnt for you.
BTW, I really enjoyed hearing you play at our Midnight Madness.....YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!
That's exactly the way to do it, if you can't do it automatically in you mind...it takes time, but you eventually learn to play in every key.
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The reason why so many people have problems with playing in unfamiliar keys is because they are scared of getting out of their comfort zone. It's gonna require them to slow down and really take time to focus to get better at that particular key. I hear excuses like "Why do I have to practice in that key when I can just hit a button? It's much faster." That is pure pyscho-babble!!!
Most people want things done NOW NOW NOW, hardly anyone wants to wait anymore. I just can't figure out why keyboardists can't take time to learn every key when every other instrument player (besides the capo guitarist) has no other choice. It's really a shame b4 God that this is happening.
You can't expect to be a great player in a month, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. You can't even expect to be a great player in a year, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Most of the so-called "great" musicians have at least 10 years of experience under their belt, it didn't happen overnight. You will not see the results of all your hard work until much later down the road, so why not take time out now and learn everything you can?
The sooner we stop making excuses like "that key has awkward fingering" or "that takes too long" and MAN UP, the better off we as musicians will be. Yes, I'm talking to myself as well. It's time out for this foolishness, this is serious business and we should start taking it seriously. God has given us musical gifts & talents that we should be expanding & not sitting down on. Just like it took time to get good in one key, it's gonna take the same (and even more) time to get good in the other ones as well.
AMEN!!!!!
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AMEN!!!!!
Words but no action?
As T-Block's official armor-bearer, we demand a $100 offering for every cosign.
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That's exactly the way to do it, if you can't do it automatically in you mind...it takes time, but you eventually learn to play in every key.
When you can transpose in your head without much thinking, it will make your life a lot easier. I couldnt imagine practicing every song in every key.
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When you can transpose in your head without much thinking, it will make your life a lot easier. I couldnt imagine practicing every song in every key.
Troof...but one must learn how to crawl before one can walk... ;)
At this point I can modulate without to much thought in all keys, just from recognizing the progression, but there was a time when I had to take the time and write it down to get comfortable with certain keys.
Although, I will admit, I still prefer to play in certain keys more than others...
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When you can transpose in your head without much thinking, it will make your life a lot easier. I couldnt imagine practicing every song in every key.
CO-SIZZLE!!!
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When you can transpose in your head without much thinking, it will make your life a lot easier. I couldnt imagine practicing every song in every key.
What worked for me was going through a series of chords (major, minor, dominant, augmented, diminished, etc) and play them up and down chromatically.
If I find a chord I like, I'll learn to play it in every key.
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What worked for me was going through a series of chords (major, minor, dominant, augmented, diminished, etc) and play them up and down chromatically.
If I find a chord I like, I'll learn to play it in every key.
I do this too. I remember when i learnt m11 chords. I learnt them in every key and wanted to put them in any song i was playing. ;D
Words but no action?
As T-Block's official armor-bearer, we demand a $100 offering for every cosign.
CO-SIZZLE!!!
T, pay yourself a $100 for a cosign. Thems the rules man. :-\
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What worked for me was going through a series of chords (major, minor, dominant, augmented, diminished, etc) and play them up and down chromatically.
If I find a chord I like, I'll learn to play it in every key.
Cool!!! How does that help you learn songs, may I ask?
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Cool!!! How does that help you learn songs, may I ask?
It doesn't help to learn songs but it gets you used to playing different chords in every key. Once you learn the intervals of a particular song, then it's easy to transpose that to whatever key you like.
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It doesn't help to learn songs but it gets you used to playing different chords in every key. Once you learn the intervals of a particular song, then it's easy to transpose that to whatever key you like.
Oh oK...COOL!! You are very well educated when it comes to music. I look forward to hearing more of your insight my friend!!! ;) ;) ;)
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What worked for me was going through a series of chords (major, minor, dominant, augmented, diminished, etc) and play them up and down chromatically.
If I find a chord I like, I'll learn to play it in every key.
I find this to be easier than the much appraised circle of 4ths..so that's how I quickly get a chord I like into my system in all the keys..It's the inversions that take time. >:(
The pro's have spoken, now I can give my beginner's opinion:
A key is as bad as you want it to be...I've never struggled with B (so far..& don't intend to! ;D :D)..I can remember late last year when I was given that rare chance to play at church..I could only play a bit in F#..I remember accidentally going into the key of B whilst the song was in F# :P :-[ :-[ Hitting the E felt "weird" because I was used to the F.
But with some months' work, I can say that it's just like U13 said...I can play the commonly played songs here with relative ease in all the keys..I admit that a key I've been lagging in of late is F..hence the reason I practice in it more than the others.
But I make sure that in a day, I have practiced at least once in all the keys..
It really wouldn't take 10years to master all the keys, it's more based on the hours & methods you create for yourself to practice..
I spend a handful of hours a week practicing in them all,so I have managed to get reasonably comfortable with all of them in a time most people would consider "too quick"..but it's really not magic..it's doing what I ought to do & with familiarity comes comfort.
Of course I still have some way to go before I can play "all that sweet stuff"..
Ok, nuff bout me...
tip:
If you don't have time to practice in all keys (or you think you don't), instead of playing a 3 minute song in 1 key, pick a certain 10 second verse & play it in all the keys..
Alternatively, you can modulate by half steps at certain intervals to ensure that you do each part of the song in a different key until you've covered the song...Of course more time/ longer parts should be invested in keys that you are uncomfortable with.
Dwelling more on the keys you already master & depriving the keys you dislike only serves as entertainment for you & your audience if any, but doesn't improve much on your shortfalls..
Ok, I know you all know this, but I just had to say it ;D
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Oh oK...COOL!! You are very well educated when it comes to music. I look forward to hearing more of your insight my friend!!! ;) ;) ;)
That's nothing. You should hear him talk about music equipment.
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Oh oK...COOL!! You are very well educated when it comes to music. I look forward to hearing more of your insight my friend!!! ;) ;) ;)
That's nothing. You should hear him talk about music equipment.
Thanks guys. I really appreciate the kind words. I know a few things. I'm more of a technician than I am a musician but I do what I can.
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate the kind words. I know a few things. I'm more of a technician than I am a musician but I do what I can.
***Chanting***
BEAST, BEAST, BEAST...
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That's nothing. You should hear him talk about music equipment.
hehehe..that's what I was thinking..
I know who to consult before I purchase any music equipment..
Of course there is U13 & DD for me to verify everything TMR has recommended :)
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The key of B is fairly easy. Just take the time out to practice, make a few mistakes here and there, and learn from them. ;) :)
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The key of B is fairly easy. Just take the time out to practice, make a few mistakes here and there, and learn from them. ;) :)
Check you out in the Key of B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aCtN-Y5zhw Just awesome :D
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Check you out in the Key of B: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aCtN-Y5zhw[/url] Just awesome :D
Couldn't have said it better myself Val!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Thats just my theory. I dont even practie in b, but I can still hold it down. Its easy for me cuz I like playing with the black keys.
NOw put me in Keys with all or mostly white notes(c g f), and I wont pkay as fancy and eloquent as I do in any other key. Probaly because of the fingering. and the fingering is probaly hard for me because I dont play in those keys. and thats probaly because most black music is not writtin in those keys.
there is a song by vanessa carlton called "a thousand miles". I'm sure you heard of it. Its in B. Every body and they baby mama is killin that song on youtube, so The key of B cant be that hard. I even have a version of that song on youtube, but I mesed up so ima hafta to redo it. (see my sig)
I say that any key i easy if you practice in it, know the fingering, know what notes belong, and dont belong etc.
But then again, all muscians are different so...........
*imagines those scenes from "White Chicks"*
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*imagines those scenes from "White Chicks"*
:D
That was too funny. I'm just glad I'm not the only black man who loves that song
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That was too funny. I'm just glad I'm not the only black man who loves that song
That's my jam too. In fact, I love most of Vanessa Carlton's music, I have 2 of her CDs. I be killing "1000 Miles" in every key man, well the the little melody of it at least.
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That's my jam too. In fact, I love most of Vanessa Carlton's music, I have 2 of her CDs. I be killing "1000 Miles" in every key man, well the the little melody of it at least.
Yeah, I'm gonna really try to break that song down and learn it. After rewatching the video I was missing quite a few important parts of the song. I just hope my friend lets me record with her again, I had to practically beg her to sing along.
I might check out one of her cds. I'm also feeling Norah Jones right now. Nothing hotter than A woman playing the piano while singing. :D
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I might check out one of her cds. I'm also feeling Norah Jones right now. Nothing hotter than A woman playing the piano while singing. :D
Man, what u talking back. Norah Jones is straight FIRE, I got her CD too, LOL.
I own a whole bunch of pop stuff, the music is so simple & relaxing. I bet if yall saw my music collection, yall would be like "T-Block, WHY? SMH."
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Man, what u talking back. Norah Jones is straight FIRE, I got her CD too, LOL.
I own a whole bunch of pop stuff, the music is so simple & relaxing. I bet if yall saw my music collection, yall would be like "T-Block, WHY? SMH."
I see you done got the jungle fever. :D
Do you think Chrissette Michelle is on thier level? she plays too.
lol @ white print, as long as it sounds good I'll listen to it. wether it be pop, dance, trance, soft rock. whatever. Since you from florida, I know you be listening to "booty bass" :D That stuff makes me wanna learn drums.
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I see you done got the jungle fever. :D
Do you think Chrissette Michelle is on thier level? she plays too.
lol @ white print, as long as it sounds good I'll listen to it. wether it be pop, dance, trance, soft rock. whatever. Since you from florida, I know you be listening to "booty bass" :D That stuff makes me wanna learn drums.
Jungle fever? I guess u can call it that, LOL. I just see the beauty in the different types of music, not necesarrily who's singing or playing.
I haven't really given her a serious listen yet. I'll have to check her out.
As for your small print, shameful yeah. :( :D
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No how yall gone oughta go and hijack dis thread like dis. I have a very big music collection too, particularly a little rock, a little soul, a little jazz, some kuntree, and errrr ummmm a little LOVE MRUZIK... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Check you out in the Key of B: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aCtN-Y5zhw[/url] Just awesome :D
That was sick!!!
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No how yall gone oughta go and hijack dis thread like dis. I have a very big music collection too, particularly a little rock, a little soul, a little jazz, some kuntree, and errrr ummmm a little LOVE MRUZIK... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cuz thats what we do!
I can get down with everything except for "kuntree" and heavy metal stuff. I think its important for musicains to have a wide range of styles in which we can incorporate into our playing.
As for your small print, shameful yeah. :( :D
As long as it isnt "Luke", there is no reason to be ashamed :D.
I haven't really given her a serious listen yet. I'll have to check her out.
I didnt like her at first, but after listening to her album twice, I was hooked. All her songs are on youtube.