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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: seemunny on June 14, 2008, 02:31:31 AM
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What?...why all the weapons? :D
I put this idea on my other ("humorous") thread titled: "Clever Way To Put A Transposer On Any Organ!!" But i thought that i would put it on it's own thread, for those who this hasn't occurred to yet.
Let me begin by saying that, it's true "Transposers Are The Devil" lol...HOWEVER, there IS one way you can trick the Devil by making the transposer "help REMOVE your need to transpose!". And this is what you do:
To practice "soloing" in keys that are difficult for you, or better yet "all keys", you can:
Find your favorite recording to solo to, and for example, it might be in the key of Ab, then you solo to it in Ab.
But then, use your transposer and change the key. At that point, in order for you to continue to solo to your favorite recording and "stay in key", your fingers now must play in a different KEY!! :o
Keep pressing that Devil Button in until you've practiced, gone through, and become a Beast in ALL KEYS with your soloing, and then you can stick ya chest out and proudly say: "Get thee behind me Satan!" - 12 times for every key! 8)
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By the way, i forgot to mention, i got this idea from "Jamal Hartwell". 8)
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I'm going to go get my kevlar suit because I'm sure the flames are going to spread quickly.
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What?...why all the weapons? :D
I'm going to go get my kevlar suit because I'm sure the flames are going to spread quickly.
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What?...why all the weapons? :D
I put this idea on my other ("humorous") thread titled: "Clever Way To Put A Transposer On Any Organ!!" But i thought that i would put it on it's own thread, for those who this hasn't occurred to yet.
Let me begin by saying that, it's true "Transposers Are The Devil" lol...HOWEVER, there IS one way you can trick the Devil by making the transposer "help REMOVE your need to transpose!". And this is what you do:
To practice "soloing" in keys that are difficult for you, or better yet "all keys", you can:
Find your favorite recording to solo to, and for example, it might be in the key of Ab, then you solo to it in Ab.
But then, use your transposer and change the key. At that point, in order for you to continue to solo to your favorite recording and "stay in key", your fingers now must play in a different KEY!! :o
Keep pressing that Devil Button in until you've practiced, gone through, and become a Beast in ALL KEYS with your soloing, and then you can stick ya chest out and proudly say: "Get thee behind me Satan!" - 12 times for every key! 8)
The musician would have to have a pretty strong ear to adapt to it.
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I think it is a silly idea. Just sit down and practice every key. You wanna develop your finger memory, so that you are used to the notes being in the same place every time you play.
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I agree with Under13
I responded to this idea before, and I contend that this is not a good way to learn to play in all keys. You have muscle memory in addition to head memory when it comes to music. I can NOT play in C and "hear" Eb, or any other key for that matter. When my hands are in "C" position, my ears expect to hear C. This method is counterproductive to effectively learning where a certain sound is!
I believe this sets you up to have a disconnect between your fingers and your ears. I know there is a more technical explanation, but I don't know how to explain it any clearer at the moment.
I suggest that you get the song in midi format then transpose the midi to the next key and play in that key. For example, I took a song There is a River and it is in F; I played it in F; then I transposed the midi file to Gb and played the song in Gb, A,Ab etc. No need to hear one key and play another.
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Under13, respectfully speaking, you may have missed this part:
Find your favorite recording to solo to....
...in order for you to continue to solo to your favorite recording and "stay in key"....
THAT'S the key here. IF you wanna play along "with your favorite recording", and practice soloing to it in every key.....the recording WON'T change keys for you - YOU have to PURPOSELY change the key, by using the transposer!
The recording will stay in ONE key. So if you enjoy playing along with that particular song, but simultaneously want to practice in EVERY key, there is no other way to do it, UNLESS you can make the song recording change keys. That way you won't have to use the transposer for THIS purpose.
Other than that, the original idea stated above is "THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT" (or to accomplish this paticular purpose with your favorite recording)
Now, obviously,
- If you want to simply practice soloing in every key "alone, to yourself" with no recording or any "accompaniment"....Or
- If you want to "shed" with one or more other musicians in all 12 keys....Or
- If you want to find 12 different favorite recordings, in all 12 keys to solo to....
all of that is fine. And all are different Options & ways of accomplishing the same thing.
But the originally above mentioned way, is merely "another fun & very Convenient Option", because you're playing along with ANY of your personal FAVORITE songs...(and not just in that ONE key that the song was originally recorded in), but technology allows you to "Jam with it" in EVERY KEY which is the whole point!
You wanna develop your finger memory...
You have muscle memory...
...and that's exactly what this does if you properly understand it. You develop "muscle memory" for EVERY key that you practice in.
Your muscle memory is nothing more than "note finger shapes or configurations" played repeatedly until developed. So, the more your fingers play those shapes & configurations, the more it becomes "automatic" when you reach for them. This technique does nothing but take you through each key to help accomplish your "muscle memory".
So, if you accurately understand the premise, there is nothing silly about it. 8)
Here's a link of Jamal Hartwell demonstrating how he uses this transpose technique with his favorite recordings.
http://www.gospelmusicians.com/media/786/Transpose/ (http://www.gospelmusicians.com/media/786/Transpose/)
(fast forward to 5:50 for what is probably the best spot of demonstration)
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Dude with the bat looks like he's about to swinging at the black guy
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This is a "clever" idea C$, but that doesn't make it a good one. I understand completely what you are trying to accomplish though. I'd say this may work for people who don't have a good ear for music or specific key tones yet. ;)
The only "good" way, IMO, to use the transpose is either up or down an octave to get higher or lower tones when needed. This is for those of us who don't own an 88-key keyboard.
Dude with the bat looks like he's about to swinging at the black guy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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After seeing the video, I think its a stupid Idea. What I suggest is that you use this software called Karafun. It lets you transpose your MP3s. http://www.karafun.com/karaokeplayer/ (http://www.karafun.com/karaokeplayer/)
Yeah you may learn to play in every key, but you are NOT developing note/finger memory. If the notes are in a different location everytime you practice, your mind will never know where thy really should be.
When I sit at a piano I can start playing without searching for the right notes. When a singer switches keys on me, I can pick it up right away. I think that using the transpose would mess that up for me. If you wanna do that then fine, but I say you are doing more harm than good. I suggst that you transpose the songs, and not the keyboard
No Disrespect to jamal (I own many of his projects), but I think this time he is giving bad advice.
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I'd say this may work for people who don't have a good ear for music or specific key tones yet. ;)
I'm not sure i follow what you mean by that, Mr. T. As i stated before, i got this idea from "Jamal Hartwell", Mr. "Urban Xtreme" himself. The same guy who successfully created & sold "advanced instructional" keyboard DVDs. lol Are you suggesting that Jamal "doesn't have a good ear for music?" :o
Also, let me be clear just in case some don't quite understand. This method is not for "ear or pitch training". But rather "physical, soloing finger configuration" practice, WHEN YOU WANT TO ENJOY SOLOING TO YOUR FAVORITE JAM! (In all 12 keys)
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Example, T-block:
Imagine if you and i were at a keyboard, and your favorite fast cut was playing. Then i say to you: "T-block, let me see you solo to that!". You then start to solo (rippin' it up like an LGM BEAST on gamma ray! lol).
Then, i say: "Ok stop and close your eyes." I then change the key on the transpose button...then tell you "Ok T-block, open your eyes - NOW try it!....Then you notice that the keyboard is in a different key, so in about 1.38 seconds flat you find the NEW notes or "finger configurations" to play, in order to stay in key with the song!
I repeat this process with you over all 12 keys. Through this unique process, you probably found that some of those "transposed keys" were tougher to play in than others (that you have already fully mastered).
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The whole point is: you were able to "ENJOY JAMMING" to your favorite joint, and did so in every key FOR SINGLE NOTE SOLO PRACTICE!...and you never had to somehow change the key of the song track the entire time! You just let it Jam On! while you went through all 12 keys, gettin a GOOD Ole workout! (am i comin' through now?...can you see it? lol)
In this example, your use of technology is no different than what athletes do everyday, where some prefer antiquated old fashioned ways of "working out or training", while others prefer "new technological advances" in equipment that they like to use. BOTH accomplishes the same goal, except technology simply gives you "more conveniences" (treadmills with meters and info, machines that give you computerized feedback, etc...) that older technology just doesn't provide.
Both exist, neither is bad, because both ADDRESSES SPECIFIC AREAS.
In the T-block example above, playing in the weaker keys clearly "addresses that area of concern", and allowed for you to "practice in the weak key(s)" TO YOUR FAVORITE JAM with the simple press of a button - only because of technology.
And again, this technique does "NOT" deal with "ear or pitch training" but rather "finger configuration solo improvement in every key", and also...this has ZERO to do with "performing live at a function" using the transpose button. This only serves as a "12 key solo practice mechanism" that happens to be fun as well, while you're jamming along with "Beyonce Got Back" that T-block just LOVESSSS to solo to! lol 8)
If i didn't make this abundantly clear this time (with all the nuances & details), i don't know what else to say! lol
Oh, and by the way, the "weak keys" example above, was purely fictional and strictly for illustration purposes. Because we all know that T-block HAS no weak keys!...He might have a weakness for Alicia Keys, but NO weak keys!...He might play the keys every week, but NOOO weak keys! lol
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After seeing the video, I think its a stupid Idea. What I suggest is that you use this software called Karafun. It lets you transpose your MP3s. [url]http://www.karafun.com/karaokeplayer/[/url] ([url]http://www.karafun.com/karaokeplayer/[/url])
Yeah you may learn to play in every key, but you are NOT developing note/finger memory. If the notes are in a different location everytime you practice, your mind will never know where thy really should be.
When I sit at a piano I can start playing without searching for the right notes. When a singer switches keys on me, I can pick it up right away. I think that using the transpose would mess that up for me. If you wanna do that then fine, but I say you are doing more harm than good. I suggst that you transpose the songs, and not the keyboard
No Disrespect to jamal (I own many of his projects), but I think this time he is giving bad advice.
Under13,
1) As i said before, there are many options to reaching one goal, and the Karafun may be one of them. But that still doesn't diminish the option of the transpose button in this paticular manner. BOTH require for your fingers to "adapt" to the note configurations of each key!
2) You say "you're not developing note finger memory". Well, it depends on your definition of that. It absolutely aids you in "knowing the note CONFIGURATIONS in every key" until your muscles start to do it automatically, just like on any acoustic piano. A run in Eb requires certain finger shapes. Those same shapes are applied in Jamals method. You learn all 12 shapes & thus, practice your runs in every key, and you can apply that to ANY KEYBOARD, whether electronic or acoustic! But, maybe you have a different definition of finger memory.
3) As for it it doing more harm than good, that's a matter of opinion. Because you already see a very talented guy in Jamal who loves this technique. So, evidently it comes down to "whatever floats YOUR boat", not whatever floats somebody elses boat. lol...
But again, it's merely ONE enjoyable option to learning and practicing your "runs" in 12 keys while playing along with your favorite Joint! 8)
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Like you said, "whatever floats your boat". What works for some doesent work for all. There are more than enough songs in all 12 keys that I can practice to. And you can always just turn off the CD take the song up a half step at a time.
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When I sit at a piano I can start playing without searching for the right notes. When a singer switches keys on me, I can pick it up right away. ...
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@ them "red squiggle symbol thangs"...8)
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@ them "red squiggle symbol thangs"...8)
dont know why my post came out like that.
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dont know why my post came out like that.
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"caught up in the spirit?" lol 8)
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Also, let me be clear just in case some don't quite understand. This method is not for "ear or pitch training". But rather "physical, soloing finger configuration" practice, WHEN YOU WANT TO ENJOY SOLOING TO YOUR FAVORITE JAM! (In all 12 keys)
This is exactly what I was talking about. Some people who have an ear for music tend to let their ear takeover, which makes this transposing idea ineffective. If you can do it and not worry about the sound, then go ahead. I've experimented with this technique myself on occasions, but eventually found it easier to just go to the regular key and learn it.
Oh, and by the way, the "weak keys" example above, was purely fictional and strictly for illustration purposes. Because we all know that T-block HAS no weak keys!...He might have a weakness for Alicia Keys, but NO weak keys!...He might play the keys every week, but NOOO weak keys! lol[/color]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I do have some "initial" weaknesses in some keys. But after playing in them for a minute, I retain my finger memory and I'm fine. ;) :D Time to go pop in that "Beyonce Got Back" song, LOL.
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I'm not sure i follow what you mean by that, Mr. T. As i stated before, i got this idea from "Jamal Hartwell", Mr. "Urban Xtreme" himself. The same guy who successfully created & sold "advanced instructional" keyboard DVDs. lol Are you suggesting that Jamal "doesn't have a good ear for music?" :o
Just because Jamal says jump off a cliff, doesn't mean people should follow. :) I have much respect for Jamal, but I'm not feeling that idea at all. I don't like any type of short cuts because it end up costing you more time. in the future.
I'm going to call him up right now, and get him to defend himself, so we can see what he was thinking.
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Just because Jamal says jump off a cliff, doesn't mean people should follow. :)
U can say that again.
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Hehehe..A very interesting post..I thought twice before I posted this!
I'm not taking any sides here...all I want to say is that whatever is fun & effective in helping 1 to play in 12 keys, by all means, follow that method.
Personally, I don't use the transpose when practicing..I'd rather hit 12 notes in 50 seconds until I can get it down to the required pace than transpose & get it right in a snap.
I do modulate by half steps, whole steps, 4ths or 5ths backward or forward...This is both fun & effective for me.
I also think the idea C$$ shares would be fun & somehow effective in achieving relative pitch in the long run..The shortfall with the system is that it does much injustice to improving 1's development to achieve perfect pitch (yes, I'm aware this thread has nothing to do with pitch etc ;) ;D
But guys, I don't think that this is a way C$$ would recommend for any1 to learn all the keys, he was merely sharing an idea of how the transpose button can be used (more than suggesting how 1 can effectively learn all the 12 keys :))..
So I say we call on Jamal & interrogate him about all this, instead of C$$ being crucified for his sins ;D ;D
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First off, if you have followed any of my DVD's and lessons, I do not advocate the transpose for cheating. If you look at the video clip in which I spoke about using the tranpose, I demonstrated, how I was playing along with one of my jazz favorites Jeff Lorber and how I was playing along with him on the iTunes. I then demonstrated that my weakest key to solo in was B minor and how I used the transpose button to (read carefully): PRACTICE SOLOING IN THE KEYS THAT I AM NOT AS STRONG IN.
If you think about it, you never get a chance to EFFECTIVELY practice in all of your keys when playing gospel music, because all gospel songs are in the same black keys, and sometime F, G, and C. In my experience, just practicing other keys, by yourself, with no band, and no live feel, really is a crippling way to learn (IMHO), because you don't get that live feel. So the only way I have found to get that REAL LIVE, BAND FEEL, is to play alongside some really tough gospel, or jazz and transpose the keyboard into keys that you don't know.
And yes...I'm not the god of teaching. It was just ONE SMALLLLLLL technique to use along with all of the other techniques, ie the number system. If I meant all musicians to use the tranpose in this way, then I never would have come out with a DVD to teach the number system and highly stress knowing your numbers to play in all keys.
So with all that said....I just wrote this so that everyone knows where I stand on the transpose side and that there are no mistakes:
1. I don't approve of using the transpose to cripple yourself.
2. I only use the transpose to practice in keys I am not as strong in and to get that live feel.
3. I use plethora of other techniques as well to play in all keys and the method I suggested was only a small technique to be used sparingly and not as GOSPEL.
4. MOST IMPORTANT: THE NUMBER ONE WAY THAT I SUGGEST TO LEARN TO PLAY IN ALL OF YOUR KEYS IS KNOWING THE NUMBER SYSTEM!
So I hope this sets the record straight on how I feel about transpose!
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Another caveat to this is that YES....If you have perfect pitch or relative pitch, then it is a little weird playing in D, when your ears say it's in Ab. Very good point and yes that is the downside to this practice regime. So if this really throws you off, like it does with me sometime, then don't use it, or use it sparingly.
All I know is that it's much easier to transpose a key on the keyboard and with iTunes, then to get musicians together to shed in the keys you don't know or to find a song where they are really jamming out in B minor or A major. Thank God for Israel and New Breed for doing songs in D and E.
But as you know about me......My learning process and the way my brain works is in live feel. I'm more of feeling and I have to create that live feel for e to really, really get it. This is just me!
Everyone doesn't have to do it this way. Yes, there are pros and cons to it. Just a little trick....you can add or or not.
I appreciate the dialogue...
Now let me go on YouTube and try to explain why the tritone interval is not owned by the devil....:-p
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Another caveat to this is that YES....If you have perfect pitch or relative pitch, then it is a little weird playing in D, when your ears say it's in Ab. Very good point and yes that is the downside to this practice regime. So if this really throws you off, like it does with me sometime, then don't use it, or use it sparingly.
All I know is that it's much easier to transpose a key on the keyboard and with iTunes, then to get musicians together to shed in the keys you don't know or to find a song where they are really jamming out in B minor or A major. Thank God for Israel and New Breed for doing songs in D and E.
But as you know about me......My learning process and the way my brain works is in live feel. I'm more of feeling and I have to create that live feel for e to really, really get it. This is just me!
Everyone doesn't have to do it this way. Yes, there are pros and cons to it. Just a little trick....you can add or or not.
I appreciate the dialogue...
Now let me go on YouTube and try to explain why the tritone interval is not owned by the devil....:-p
C$$$, U should be gr8ful I got U off the frying pan man ;D
Interesting entry by Jamal, just when every1 thot it was a no contest.
I've always heard it being said that the 1 that dances last dances the best.
We'll have to wait & see what the opponents have to say to this ;D
I just can't wait to see that youtube post..plz provide a link Jamal..thanks sir (so much for a coming 35th bday!..hehehe)
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Just because Jamal says jump off a cliff, doesn't mean people should follow. :)
Come on 4hisglory! Jumpin off a cliff ain't even CLOSE to the point! lol
The real point is: Jamal Hartwell is a fantastic keyboard player that has already proven himself to a BUNCH of people who pay their hard earned money to learn from him. So since he "shared" this fun neat little technique or use of the tranpose button, EVIDENTLY it hasn't "messed him up".
So if it "messes Ray Ray up", that don't mean that it's not valid, because June Bug said he's benefiting MUCH from it! One size don't fit all!
And by the way, i don't think anyone has said that "this is THE WAY to learn how to play in all 12 keys". All this is, is ONE "fun" way of putting the transpose button to probably the only beneficial use it has. This by no means STOPS or PREVENTS you from practicing any & everything the in what is considered the "normal" way.
Anyway, i see the Jamal, man himself, hath already spoken! lol
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Hehehe..A very interesting post..I thought twice before I posted this!
I'm not taking any sides here...all I want to say is that whatever is fun & effective in helping 1 to play in 12 keys, by all means, follow that method.
"BINGO!!"...couldn't've said it better myself! lol
But guys, I don't think that this is a way C$$ would recommend for any1 to learn all the keys, he was merely sharing an idea of how the transpose button CAN BE USED (more than suggesting how 1 can effectively learn all the 12 keys :))..
Just ONE fun thing out of many, that can aid in "finger configuration muscle memory" for soloing or "running" 12 keys.
See there Musallio, i KNEW you were GREAT! :D :D :D
Shout it from the rooftops! "The Great Musallio!" lol...'preciate it brotha! 8)
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Shout it from the rooftops! "The Great Musallio!" lol...'preciate it brotha! 8)
Hey man, told U not to call me great...U realize I could mess things up for you in a snap & make this thread go on & on ;D
Remember what U told Mintdakid--it's a matter of playing around with the words & being ACCURATE...sometimes I just love reading the stuff guys write..U can see all the sweat & effort vested into the posts..hehehe:D
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Come on 4hisglory! Jumpin off a cliff ain't even CLOSE to the point! lol
The real point is: Jamal Hartwell is a fantastic keyboard player that has already proven himself to a BUNCH of people who pay their hard earned money to learn from him. So since he "shared" this fun neat little technique or use of the tranpose button, EVIDENTLY it hasn't "messed him up".
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A "Bunch" of people are:
-Going to Hell
-Living paycheck to paycheck
-sinning
Does that mean you should do it also? This is not a knock on Jamal because I think he's been putting out some good stuff for years but I still think tranposing even to practice some soloing is a bad idea.
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A "Bunch" of people are:
-Going to Hell
-Living paycheck to paycheck
-sinning
Does that mean you should do it also? This is not a knock on Jamal because I think he's been putting out some good stuff for years but I still think tranposing even to practice some soloing is a bad idea.
Well 4hisglory, you offered up 3 things, so i'll offer up 3 things:
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So if it "messes Ray Ray up", that don't mean that it's not valid, because June Bug said he's benefitting MUCH from it! One size don't fit all!
Meaning: You can't paint everybody with the same brush. If some people find this "messes them up", then they shouldn't do it. But if it doesn't mess you up, but rather helps you out, then "Whoomp! There it is!"
2) Just ONE fun thing out of many, that can aid in "finger configuration muscle memory" for soloing or "running" 12 keys.
All this is, is ONE "fun" way of putting the transpose button to probably the only beneficial use it has. This by no means STOPS or PREVENTS you from practicing any & everything the in what is considered the "normal" way.
Meaning: It would be silly to "exclusively" use this as the ONLY method of "key learning" of ANY form! Athletes know that you can't continuously do the same exercises over & over, IF you want optimum results! You must change up to shock your muscles back to life for continued improvement. This is merely "ONE" fun thing included as an aid to forcing your fingers muscle memory to do what it CAN'T quite do yet.
You will STILL practice this process in the "normal" keys, when you don't wanna play this game with your favorite jam without the transpose button! This method was only meant for practicing soloing along with your favorite jams (which simply makes it Fun!) - Not The Only Way!
3) I'm not taking any sides here...all I want to say is that whatever is fun & effective in helping 1 to play in 12 keys, by all means, follow that method.
Meaning: "if it works for you & you're getting positive results from it, it would actually be foolish NOT to do it!"
As you can see, all these things have already been mentioned...i.e. the "quotes".
So the bottom line is, if you like it, or if you lump it, you've been adequately covered in this post. But AT LEAST there will be no erroneous confusion as to the "thinking" behind this process or technique. 8)
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yo, for real you are wack! How old are you 12. If you are able to help the struggling then help but if not just shut up and keep your "bright ideas" to yourself. It's cats, I mean clowns like you that damage good websites like this. sorry for the attitude but my God I'm sinking, Thanks for throughing me a brick.
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It's cats, I mean clowns like you that damage good websites like this.
As Sjon would say, Pot meet kettle.
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you are absolutly right sorry no need for all that!
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you are absolutly right sorry no need for all that!
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Is this in agreement with C$$'s lashback? :-\
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THERE IS NOTHING GOOD ABOUT TRANSPOSING AT ALL if you dont know certain keys for example you know how to play in C but you cant play in E tranposing C to sound like E is not gonna teach you to play in E its just going to make C sound like E thats all. I say pick up a book and learn how to form the scales b/c serously once you learn one key you learned them all its the formula you need to know root, whole step,WS,Half step,WS,WS,WS,HS
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I THINK THERE ARE SOME GOOD POINTS TO TRANSPOSING! THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF IS WHEN YOU IN A SERVICE/REHEARSAL/PLAYING OUT. AND A SONG IS IN Ab AND YOU KNOW IT IN Ab BUT WANT TO PRACTICING IT IN Bb WITHOUT DISTURBING OTHERS BY NOT PLAYING IN THE RIGHT KEY!
IF YOU TRANSPOSE THE ORGAN/KEYBOARD/WHATEVER TO THE KEY YOU WANT TO LEARN IT YOU WILL END UP LEARNING IT IN Bb TOO!!! :)
HOLLA
CATRON/TheReturn
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I THINK THERE ARE SOME GOOD POINTS TO TRANSPOSING! THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF IS WHEN YOU IN A SERVICE/REHEARSAL/PLAYING OUT. AND A SONG IS IN Ab AND YOU KNOW IT IN Ab BUT WANT TO PRACTICING IT IN Bb WITHOUT DISTURBING OTHERS BY NOT PLAYING IN THE RIGHT KEY!
IF YOU TRANSPOSE THE ORGAN/KEYBOARD/WHATEVER TO THE KEY YOU WANT TO LEARN IT YOU WILL END UP LEARNING IT IN Bb TOO!!! :)
HOLLA
CATRON/TheReturn
& how exactly is this so if I may ask :-\ ::) :-\
From what you are saying, I understand it to mean that the person will be accustomed to hearing the song in Bb but will merely be using Ab to figure the patterns so that they can play the patterns directly in Bb :-\
Well, I can say that maybe 2 or less% of all the people that play ever do that.
Otherwise the other 98% would have got over the habit now...
Anyways guys, before LGM is divided into transpose advos & transpose rebuking camps, let's drop these transpose threads :D :D :D
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yo, for real you are wack! How old are you 12. If you are able to help the struggling then help but if not just shut up and keep your "bright ideas" to yourself. It's cats, I mean clowns like you that damage good websites like this. sorry for the attitude but my God I'm sinking, Thanks for throughing me a brick.
Uhhh, i'm not quite sure who Calandra is referring to, or what statement or point Calandra objects to. (http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/7.gif)
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THERE IS NOTHING GOOD ABOUT TRANSPOSING AT ALL If you dont know certain keys, for example: you know how to play in C, but you cant play in E - tranposing C to sound like E is not gonna teach you to play in E, its just going to make C sound like E thats all. I say pick up a book and learn how to form the scales b/c serously once you learn one key you learned them all its the formula you need to know root, whole step,WS,Half step,WS,WS,WS,HS
Organman88, everything you just said is correct (especially the part i put in red).
However, that's not what this thread is about. This thread originally was not about "using the transpose button to switch the key to another key that you can easily play in". We all understand that we should learn all 12 keys, so that we don't NEED to use the transpose button in that manner.
If you correctly read the original idea of the thread, it's actually using the transpose button to purposely make things "HARDER", when jammin' (WHILE PRACTICING AT HOME) to one of your favorite cuts.
All that means is: One of your favorite jams is playing in the key of A. Then you practice soloing to it in A. After that, you tranpose the keyboard to a different key, then continue soloing to that same song. Your fingers have to play different notes now, because you transposed the keyboard. That's where the practice comes in, because you take it through EVERY KEY!
You can go through all 12 keys practicing to that same song, and keep in mind, the song stays in the key of A, you just change the keyboard's key to MAKE IT HARDER, so you fingers can practice soloing in ALL 12 keys.
This was never meant to be the ONLY way to practice all 12 keys. This is simply ONE method that you can use ONLY BECAUSE IT'S FUN! And you can play with your favorite recordings in 12 different keys, not just one!.
So, as you can see, this is NOT the classic use of the transpose button that you were referring to, where musicians use it only because they can't play in a certain key IN A LIVE PERFORMANCE. This thread is only talking about PRACTICE, at home, in 12 keys!, not using the transpose button LIVE cause you can't play in certain keys!
I first heard of this from Jamal Hartwell, who says he enjoys doing this for "key practice", as ONE fun way. NOT the only way.
I trust that once again, i have adequately explained the thinking behind this, so anyone else who reads this, shouldn't be confused about it.
This subject in this thread has been thoroughly sorted through. So like of lump it, there should be no confusion about "what it is". It's NOT "transposing LIVE due to the fact that you can't play in a certain key". It's the exact opposite. 8)
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So like OR lump it...
Forgive the typo. 8)
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this topic is getting old now...........................let them do wat they want it will catch up with them one day
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OK why is this argument in the Organ room? Last time i checked, organs don't have a transpose button so why bring it up here?
I am heading over to the drum room. I bet that's the only forum that won't have this argument. ;D
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my reply is to the whole subject. Yall guys come down hard on those musicians who are not as gifted and don't really have the time or resources to sit down and learn all 12 keys. My point is, why does that topic matter on this site. If you can help someone then help them. If you can encourage then encourage but yall go hard and put people down. That's my whole tude about every thing. I do apologize for the attitude.
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Hmmmmm Just thought of something......
I am with all the Anti-Tranposers but this is how you CAN use The transpose as a great practice tool.
Want to challenge your mind a little try this on a song you know like the back of your hand.
Go ahead and transpose your keyboard up or down a couple of notes.
Now play the CD/MP3 of the song and play along with the song. This is a different form of ear training but it will force you play the song in different keys. Expand your mind discover new things about a song and patterns.
This would def help when learning the Devotion songs. You know them Deacons love to Start in Crack Flat. Then again nothing can help them :D.
After you've went through a song a couple of times in the new keys. Transpose it back to the original Key and play the song in the new key.
Again DO THIS IN YOUR PRACTICE TIME. :D
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i think some of you are mad