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Title: Leslie Switch
Post by: under13 on June 16, 2008, 10:39:24 AM
Witch switch do you have and which one do you prefer?  
I like the trek switches because they are easier to flip. But the one we have is nnow backwards. When its on chorale, it spins fast, but when it says tremolo, it spins slow. Anybody know how to change it back?


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Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: themidiroom on June 16, 2008, 10:44:39 AM
Half moon switch all day dude!  As far as changing the switch config, just take the switch off and I think you can reverse the wires.  Not 100% sure of that or how savy you are when it comes to electronics.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: themidiroom on June 16, 2008, 10:53:08 AM
Half moon switch all day dude!  As far as changing the switch config, just take the switch off and I think you can reverse the wires
Scratch that idea.  What kind of Leslie are you using?
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: under13 on June 16, 2008, 10:59:00 AM
Scratch that idea.  What kind of Leslie are you using?

Its a 147. I'd rather mess with thier organ. I remember once, the sound tech was moving the leslie, and the switch kept reversing, maybe I will try kicking it a few times :D . But this last time, the swich was reversing by itself. ?/?
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: themidiroom on June 16, 2008, 11:48:54 AM
Its a 147. I'd rather mess with thier organ. I remember once, the sound tech was moving the leslie, and the switch kept reversing, maybe I will try kicking it a few times :D . But this last time, the swich was reversing by itself. ?/?
When you say reversing, are you talking about the speed change or is the switch function actually reversing?  The Leslie 147 might have a mechanical relay and moving it around might cause the relay contacts bounce from one side to the other.  Just a shot in the dark.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: docjohn on June 16, 2008, 12:29:51 PM
for my 122 it's a footswitch! gives me an excuse not to pedal ha ha .seriously RMS,maybe talk to a tech@ trek ll;possible you have a short someplace.be blessed,where you been?
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: themidiroom on June 16, 2008, 01:05:25 PM
for my 122 it's a footswitch! gives me an excuse not to pedal ha ha .
Bad doc   ;D  I wouldn't ever trade in the old fashioned switch.  There's a local church we visit sometimes and they have the switch on the expression pedal and it can be cool but I often forget it's down there.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: t-jazz on June 16, 2008, 01:15:09 PM
I know whacha mean man! I used to play for a church that had a BX-3(don't waste your money on one)
and there was a switch on the pedal as well as a traditional half moon switch! But my foot would sometimes
involuntarily hit the switch! Maybe I'm just old school!! ;)
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: RMS2003 on June 16, 2008, 01:27:32 PM
under13: Has the switch always been that way? If so, it sounds like the wiring is reversed. Another possibility is the motor plugs on the Leslie amp were switched around. Check the Leslie amp. The fast motor plugs should be on the left and the slow motor plugs on the right (the fast motor plugs are brown and the slow are white). If they are in that order then it's very likely the wiring in the switch. A very simple workaround for this is to reverse the motor plugs so the slow motor plugs are on the left and fast to the right.

The wires from the switch that connect to the wires on the Leslie kit aren't polarized so it definitely sounds like to me the wiring inside the switch assembly isn't right.

As for switch preference, I like the good ol' halfmoon switches. I did play a C3 that had the TrekII switch and it was okay. I've also played a Hammond A100 that had a 6122 style switch (a small box mounted under the console rail, has 2 white knobs) and hated it. I bought a halfmoon for my Hammond CV.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: themidiroom on June 16, 2008, 01:33:43 PM
I know whacha mean man! I used to play for a church that had a BX-3(don't waste your money on one)
and there was a switch on the pedal as well as a traditional half moon switch! But my foot would sometimes
involuntarily hit the switch! Maybe I'm just old school!! ;)
Or maybe you got some big boats for feet.   ;D 
Anyways, what don't you like about the BX3?  I have a CX3 that I take to gigs sometimes and I love it.  Definately beats the organ sounds in the keyboards.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: divinemusician on June 16, 2008, 01:39:44 PM
ok, I know I am about to get ragged. but what is the switch for. I mean explain it to me if you can. I play keyz of course and in the near future may jump on the organ but that switch i have no idea wha it does o what it is about.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: under13 on June 16, 2008, 01:49:21 PM
ok, I know I am about to get ragged. but what is the switch for. I mean explain it to me if you can. I play keyz of course and in the near future may jump on the organ but that switch i have no idea wha it does o what it is about.


Its to change the speed of the rotors in the leslie speaker.  When it is spinning slow, It looks something like this. It kinda thows the sound around the room. So if you are playing in a small room with good acoustics, you will heard the sound bounce off the walls.

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Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: divinemusician on June 16, 2008, 01:59:36 PM
Its to change the speed of the rotors in the leslie speaker.  When it is spinning slow, It looks something like this. It kinda thows the sound around the room. So if you are playing in a small room with good acoustics, you will heard the sound bounce off the walls.

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oh ok... thats whats up... so let me ask you this.. (Organ 101) that switch that goes from slow to fast that is attached to the speed of the leslie... when do you swtch it from fast to slow, i see organist like switch it 20 tiems in a song... when do you know to switch it.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: t-jazz on June 16, 2008, 02:07:01 PM
Or maybe you got some big boats for feet.   ;D 
Anyways, what don't you like about the BX3?  I have a CX3 that I take to gigs sometimes and I love it.  Definately beats the organ sounds in the keyboards.

lol ;D Well I used to love it! but then I moved away and played on a C3 for a couple of years then came back to visit and realized how electronic it sounds!!
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: under13 on June 16, 2008, 02:17:38 PM
oh ok... thats whats up... so let me ask you this.. (Organ 101) that switch that goes from slow to fast that is attached to the speed of the leslie... when do you swtch it from fast to slow, i see organist like switch it 20 tiems in a song... when do you know to switch it.

You really just gotta feel it. Sometimes If I'm playing a hymn, I will use tremelo for the verses and use slow for the refrain.

After you have been playing for a while, You will just knda know when to change.

I've been guilty of changing speeds quite a bit. I didnt even notice it until I was watching my youtube video
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: jdightman on June 16, 2008, 02:19:01 PM
Most musicians switch it when ever they feel that they need to but most of the time it sounds better when you hold out a chord and switch it form either fast-slow or slow-fast .
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: themidiroom on June 16, 2008, 02:33:54 PM
lol ;D Well I used to love it! but then I moved away and played on a C3 for a couple of years then came back to visit and realized how electronic it sounds!!
I don't think I'd want to use one for doing a church service but it's nice for doing blues, reggae, jazz, etc.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: t-jazz on June 16, 2008, 02:46:37 PM
I don't think I'd want to use one for doing a church service but it's nice for doing blues, reggae, jazz, etc.

I agree ;)
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: 3rd-Day on June 16, 2008, 02:51:17 PM
Witch switch do you have and which one do you prefer?  
I like the trek switches because they are easier to flip. But the one we have is nnow backwards. When its on chorale, it spins fast, but when it says tremolo, it spins slow. Anybody know how to change it back?


([url]http://www.tonewheelgeneral.com/images/les-cts.jpg[/url])
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([url]http://www.trekii.com/image-bin/jpgs/TS-2.jpg[/url])[/right]



THe Half Moon Switch! Im old school. Plus they are easier to fix.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: musallio on June 17, 2008, 08:53:25 PM
Most musicians switch it when ever they feel that they need to but most of the time it sounds better when you hold out a chord and switch it form either fast-slow or slow-fast .

How does one do this on the keyboard?
I sometimes play around with the modulation wheel & drawbar settings to create that sound I always hear from organs.
Does that have the same effect as the Leslie effect?
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: BimmerFan99 on June 17, 2008, 09:15:23 PM
Under13:  This is not uncommon.  You simply should make sure that the switch is configured correctly on the inside.  For a 147, a closed switch (both wires connected) is for slow and open for fast.  This site should help: http://www.mosweb.com/knowledgebase/leslie/id11.htm (http://www.mosweb.com/knowledgebase/leslie/id11.htm)

Musallio:  The slow-fast setting differs from keyboard to keyboard.  On the Motif and MO boards, I know it's usually the wheel on the left side of the board.  On other boards, it can be a slider.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: musallio on June 18, 2008, 12:02:03 AM
Under13:  This is not uncommon.  You simply should make sure that the switch is configured correctly on the inside.  For a 147, a closed switch (both wires connected) is for slow and open for fast.  This site should help: [url]http://www.mosweb.com/knowledgebase/leslie/id11.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.mosweb.com/knowledgebase/leslie/id11.htm[/url])

Musallio:  The slow-fast setting differs from keyboard to keyboard.  On the Motif and MO boards, I know it's usually the wheel on the left side of the board.  On other boards, it can be a slider.


Ok thanks, that makes it the mod wheel 8)
Some boards do come with the digital drawbar settings, but 1 can also make use of the mod wheel in them if they have.
thanks for clearing matters :)
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: themidiroom on June 18, 2008, 09:12:41 AM
Musallio:  The slow-fast setting differs from keyboard to keyboard.  On the Motif and MO boards, I know it's usually the wheel on the left side of the board.  On other boards, it can be a slider.
This is why I probably won't use my Roland for organ because the modulation turns off when you take your hand off the lever.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: under13 on June 18, 2008, 09:17:17 AM
This is why I probably won't use my Roland for organ because the modulation turns off when you take your hand off the lever.

wich roland do you have? my xp does the same thing, but the modulation sounds crappy anyway. I think the roalnd RD's have proper slow/fast modulation

Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: themidiroom on June 18, 2008, 01:31:58 PM
wich roland do you have? my xp does the same thing, but the modulation sounds crappy anyway. I think the roalnd RD's have proper slow/fast modulation


I have the Juno-G.  With the Extreme Keys expansion card, the organs are just a bit better than the stock sounds but they still kinda suck.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: musallio on June 18, 2008, 06:49:01 PM
This is why I probably won't use my Roland for organ because the modulation turns off when you take your hand off the lever.
wich roland do you have? my xp does the same thing, but the modulation sounds crappy anyway. I think the roalnd RD's have proper slow/fast modulation


I have the Juno-G.  With the Extreme Keys expansion card, the organs are just a bit better than the stock sounds but they still kinda suck.

WoW ::) :-\
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: under13 on June 18, 2008, 06:49:37 PM
WoW ::) :-\

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Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: themidiroom on June 19, 2008, 01:47:24 PM
WoW ::) :-\
yeah I know.  I reallly didn't buy it for organ sounds but it would have been nice.  It has some good synths, good bass, nice rhodes/EPs, and decent brass, oh and it also samples and has a sequencer so I can't complain.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: musallio on June 19, 2008, 06:01:17 PM
yeah I know.  I reallly didn't buy it for organ sounds but it would have been nice.  It has some good synths, good bass, nice rhodes/EPs, and decent brass, oh and it also samples and has a sequencer so I can't complain.

good package then..
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: chevonee on June 19, 2008, 06:19:54 PM
I remember when I was guilty of over using the Leslie switch... :-[ :-[ :-[ BTW, the MO8 has some phat organ sounds and it has slidders and a modulation switch. Thanks U13 for introducing me to this great board.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: under13 on June 19, 2008, 06:25:17 PM
no prob. Glad I could be of help. I'll try to have a video explaining how I use the sliders, when I get a chance

I remember when I was guilty of over using the Leslie switch... :-[ :-[ :-[ BTW, the MO8 has some phat organ sounds and it has slidders and a modulation switch. Thanks U13 for introducing me to this great board.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: musallio on June 19, 2008, 08:28:55 PM
I remember when I was guilty of over using the Leslie switch... :-[ :-[ :-[ BTW, the MO8 has some phat organ sounds and it has slidders and a modulation switch. Thanks U13 for introducing me to this great board.

Thanks all..I'm really convinved that this should be my next board.
I'll rely on you guys to help me ship this board to SA once I'm financially ready for it.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: boogiesibley on July 20, 2008, 08:41:39 PM
Does it matter what settings you have your organ on to use the Leslie switch, because on the C3 at my church when you flip the switch to Chorale or Tremolo it doesn't change.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: under13 on July 20, 2008, 08:59:03 PM
Does it matter what settings you have your organ on to use the Leslie switch, because on the C3 at my church when you flip the switch to Chorale or Tremolo it doesn't change.

Nope, the settings dont matter. Make the leslie as well as the switches are connected properly. If it still doesent work, call your tech and have him (or her) service it
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: Mysteryman on July 20, 2008, 10:16:37 PM
Those leslie switches with the white knobs break easy. I know a dude that went to radio shack and bought a flip switch to turn the leslie on and off. :D Hey is worked.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: docjohn on August 04, 2008, 04:18:12 PM
yo Marcus-that's why you need a FOOTSWITCH  for leslie fast/slow!!! shame on me ;also;that's where my voce v3 comes in handy,1 rack space,great sound 4 lbs(maybe 5 in the rack)
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: ddw4e on August 05, 2008, 02:59:00 PM
I remember when I was guilty of over using the Leslie switch... :-[ :-[ :-[ BTW, the MO8 has some phat organ sounds and it has slidders and a modulation switch. Thanks U13 for introducing me to this great board.
Hey!! I help you get that too! :D
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: GSM on August 07, 2008, 04:07:50 PM
OVERUSE OF THE LESLIE SWITCH??

I'd imagine similar to others of you, as a younger player 1. when nervous in front of large crowds 2. with a unfamiliar song 3. a key that I was uncomfy with....you can bank that that I would hit that switch 50 times a minute, let alone the 50 times a song,as previously mentioned.  But today it still kinda irks me to see seasoned players hitting the switch without purpose...to often I see guys switching back to fast, without even letting it get to slow, nervous habit I guess

On my live recording rig, I've recently switched to using a one speed leslie (model 45), and I love it, because by the time you hit the fast switch, after a pronounced time of being off, it has such a sweet effect.  Thank you Don & Bob
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: RMS2003 on August 07, 2008, 04:16:52 PM
OVERUSE OF THE LESLIE SWITCH??

I'd imagine similar to others of you, as a younger player 1. when nervous in front of large crowds 2. with a unfamiliar song 3. a key that I was uncomfy with....you can bank that that I would hit that switch 50 times a minute, let alone the 50 times a song,as previously mentioned.  But today it still kinda irks me to see seasoned players hitting the switch without purpose...to often I see guys switching back to fast, without even letting it get to slow, nervous habit I guess

On my live recording rig, I've recently switched to using a one speed leslie (model 45), and I love it, because by the time you hit the fast switch, after a pronounced time of being off, it has such a sweet effect.  Thank you Don & Bob


It's not nerves or anything else for me. I just switch a lot because I like the sound. I switch from chorale to tremolo then back again because I like the transition. I usually stay in chorale longer than I do tremolo.

I also like on the single speed Leslies how the rotors are both completely stopped and you switch to tremolo. It has a nice effect.
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: GSM on August 07, 2008, 04:41:47 PM

 I just switch a lot because I like the sound. I switch from chorale to tremolo then back again because I like the transition. I usually stay in chorale longer than I do tremolo.



The above is understandable, I was referring more to those who switch withoug leaving even time for the transitioning, such an immediate switching that the motors have not fully engaged, or disengaged.  The only difference in sound is the clicking of the organist fingers against the switch.  I very much enjoy seeing a player who understands the use of drawbars, and switching for effect operate the hammond, it truly is an art
Title: Re: Leslie Switch
Post by: nessalynn77 on August 07, 2008, 04:54:37 PM
I've only ever used the half moon switch.