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Title: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: Wuboiorganistpianist on June 20, 2008, 10:57:04 PM: Hello,
I'm a musician. I've been playing keyboard and piano since I was 5. I've always did single bass notes in the left hand, I've rarely played with a bass player. how do you play such things such as shouting music and up tempo praise and worship songs with a bass player? Do i need to chord in both hands or continue to do single bass notes?
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: PIANOPRO2008 on June 20, 2008, 11:02:06 PM: U CAN PLAY CHORDS IN BOTH HANDS IF U LIKE ITS EASY BECAUSE IT ALOWS THE KEYBOARD PLAYER TO DO MORE RUNS AND THINGS AND RIFFS AND FILLERS... BUT ME PERSONALLY I WOULD RATHER PLAY SOLO BUT WITH A BASS IS COOL WATS YOUR TYPE LIKE WHAT YOUR GOSPEL STYLE?
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: Wuboiorganistpianist on June 20, 2008, 11:05:33 PM: I do alot with William Murphy, Donald lawrence, Jonathan Nelson, Israel and New Breed, The Clark Sisters, Freda Battle and stuff like that and I do some traditional. I need to know how to work my shouting music with a bass player as wel.
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: PIANOPRO2008 on June 20, 2008, 11:10:20 PM: DO U HAVE ANY JERMAINE GRIGGS PRODUCTS? DO U HAVE AN ORGAN PLAYER?
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: Wuboiorganistpianist on June 20, 2008, 11:12:47 PM: no i don't have any of his products i've seen a couple of his lessons. I've been practicing some. i also do a lot more jazz chords. I play organ but most of the times it is just me on keyboard
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: musallio on June 20, 2008, 11:48:15 PM: Playing keys with a bass player requires that you do not clash with the bassist.
This means that you leave the bass parts to him & focus more on the other parts: harmonic & melodic side of the game.

1) 1stly, you'll most likely have to play further down the keys/piano.
2) You will most likely be playing lots of rootless voicings or "shells" in your LH.

If you are looking at DVDs to help you with that stuff, I would advise you start with GK600 Urban Pro..

This topic has been extensively discussed here:

I strongly recommend you read all of the stuff on the 1st link: http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,50235.0.html

http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,53318.0.html (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,53318.0.html) (look @ the 2nd post).

http://www.gospelmusictrain.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=53 (http://www.gospelmusictrain.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=53) ( The C has been substituted with the E-Bb tritone in all the instances.)
So another way of approaching it is by playing 2nds, 3rds & 7ths in your LH. You could also opt to play the iii chord of the root or any other thing other than the root.

http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,29956.0.html (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,29956.0.html) (something on organ).
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: musallio on June 21, 2008, 12:06:27 AM: Here are perfect examples of the most popular progressions..you have 7-3-6 progressions & 2-5-1 progressions here, so it's really a silver platter delivered right in your face :) 8)

remember that a 2-5-1 in a minor key is merely a 7-3-6 of the relative major key ;)
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,736.0.html

& then a 2-5-1 in a major key :

http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,747.0.html
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: Maestro87 on June 22, 2008, 02:52:54 PM: If you play jazz then you are at an advantage. Often jazz voicings use both hands to play the chords and then delay the bass note for effect. With the the bass player, use both hands and just omit the bass or you can play the chords in your left hand and vamp in your right hand. If you and your bass player know how to follow each other and you trust him/her then you should be able to gel in know time
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: momuzik on June 23, 2008, 06:09:43 AM: This is similar to a discussion we were just having in Bass Guitar - about keyboardists stepping on the bassists toes.

I don't play with a bassist (yet), but if I did, I would just move my left hand up an octave and let the bassist have the low end. In the mean time, I would start learning to chord with my left and ad-libbing with my right.
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: themidiroom on June 23, 2008, 09:34:58 AM: I played left handed bass for years and you just have to start practicing using the left hand for chords. This will allow you to play more complex chords with both hands and also free up your right hand to play melodies and smooth transitions between chords.
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: under13 on June 23, 2008, 10:45:19 AM: I totaly forgot that I uploaded a video onto my youtube page, that demonstrates how to play with a bass player without stepping on him.

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rk0dbxeIzg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rk0dbxeIzg)

Sorry for the picture quality
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: musallio on June 23, 2008, 02:01:23 PM: WBOP, I think it's well worth taking note of all these good points given here

Hey U13, how do I get those cassettes & videos because I really need them?
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: under13 on June 23, 2008, 02:09:32 PM: Quote from: musallio on June 23, 2008, 02:01:23 PM
Hey U13, how do I get those cassettes & videos because I really need them?

The one above I got from a friend, I dont think its still for sale. He didnt really teach, but its still one of my favorites to watch.

All the others I get from gospelmusicians.com and showmethat.com
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: musallio on June 23, 2008, 02:44:20 PM: Quote from: under13 on June 23, 2008, 02:09:32 PM
The one above I got from a friend, I dont think its still for sale. He didnt really teach, but its still one of my favorites to watch.

All the others I get from gospelmusicians.com and showmethat.com
I felt like saying "Duh!" to that 1 :D

I know U have some really ancient stuff..Do you mind forwarding me the old stuff U have that's not at gospelmusicians.com or showmethat.com ?

Thanks for the considerations man..
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: Fenix on June 23, 2008, 02:48:37 PM: Quote from: under13 on June 23, 2008, 10:45:19 AM
I totaly forgot that I uploaded a video onto my youtube page, that demonstrates how to play with a bass player without stepping on him.

Here it is:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rk0dbxeIzg[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rk0dbxeIzg[/url])

Sorry for the picture quality

So that's how bootleg stuff is made. :D :D :D
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: under13 on June 23, 2008, 02:54:04 PM: Quote from: musallio on June 23, 2008, 02:44:20 PM
I felt like saying "Duh!" to that 1 :D

I know U have some really ancient stuff..Do you mind forwarding me the old stuff U have that's not at gospelmusicians.com or showmethat.com  ?

Thanks for the considerations man..

I got quite a few mp3s I can send. remind me if I forget

In the meantime, Here is the link to my gallery

http://www.learngospelmusic.com/media/thumbnails.php?album=344 (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/media/thumbnails.php?album=344)

This one is from the same tape as the clip above: http://www.learngospelmusic.com/media/displayimage.php?album=344&pos=6 (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/media/displayimage.php?album=344&pos=6)
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: musallio on June 23, 2008, 03:00:38 PM: ^^^

Thanks man, Now I 'll be very busy..
I really do need a 1TB mp3 player after all!
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: Wuboiorganistpianist on July 03, 2008, 10:05:17 PM: thanks. I've actually been working on it. I've played with bass players before and sometimes we clashed but then i just began to chord with my left hand
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: Wuboiorganistpianist on July 03, 2008, 10:19:39 PM: Quote from: Wuboiorganistpianist on July 03, 2008, 10:05:17 PM
thanks. I've actually been working on it. I've played with bass players before and sometimes we clashed but then i just began to chord with my left hand

Here are some vids of me on the keys

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2DVE60SdnlE (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2DVE60SdnlE)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N-ENCJAQ8_Q&feature=user (http://youtube.com/watch?v=N-ENCJAQ8_Q&feature=user)
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: chevonee on July 03, 2008, 11:07:30 PM: Heyyyyyy now I know who you are...you are the guy who sings "I really love the Lord". I didn't recognize you until I went to your Youtube page. Dude you can really play and sing well. God bless you my friend. BTW, I am learning how to play with a guitarist without stepping on his toes. :-[ :-\ :'(
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: Wuboiorganistpianist on July 03, 2008, 11:09:33 PM: to God Be the Glory. I wish you the best
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: under13 on July 03, 2008, 11:13:00 PM: Quote from: Wuboiorganistpianist on July 03, 2008, 11:09:33 PM
to God Be the Glory. I wish you the best

Sounds good. I'm a suscriber!
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: Wuboiorganistpianist on July 05, 2008, 10:35:41 PM: Quote from: under13 on July 03, 2008, 11:13:00 PM
Sounds good. I'm a suscriber!

to God be the Glory
Title: Re: how to play keyboard with bass player?
Post by: musallio on July 07, 2008, 07:54:37 AM: Quote from: Wuboiorganistpianist on July 05, 2008, 10:35:41 PM
to God be the Glory

May He lift you higher & higher..

I was playing with the bass player yesterday..But I noticed that the other keys player was playing as he would play when he's alone. The combo sounded great! reason: the guy was playing soft electric pianos & even the pianos & the bass was set really deep..I was playing the horns ;D