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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: JHJr on June 22, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
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This message is not a message of slander to anyone mentioned, it is just a thought about the content that we listen to. This weekend, i was at work in a conversation with an individual. This young man talked about his night with Lil Wayne in Houston, Tx. He happened to meet Wayne by way of his cousin . They had a conversation about the music industry and how dirty it is. He said that wayne spoke of cats "sellin thier soul to the devil to get rich in the rap game" For instance, Widly rumored artists are Jay Z, and his antichristian mentality and lyrics (some even say that you can play his music backwards to revel subliminal messages). Young Jezzy was rumored to have sold his soul marked by his wardrobe of all black. Snoop Dogg, Tupac, and DMX. How many cousins or people you know worship or live by the words of these rapppers. http://www.onehitwondercentral.com/forum/thread.cfm?threadid=8317 (http://www.onehitwondercentral.com/forum/thread.cfm?threadid=8317)
Remember this is for your own mental. I'm not telling u guys what to listen to but to make you aware because you have to remember that the bible says that the Devil was an angel that was outfitted with all kinds of hevenly instruments and he would walk the steps of God throne making beautiful music giving glory to God before his fall. The devil could make any kind of music he wanted.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6PDR7htzj90&feature=related (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6PDR7htzj90&feature=related)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3tPJQur-CPY&feature=related (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3tPJQur-CPY&feature=related)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mNpcencCpPc&feature=related (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mNpcencCpPc&feature=related)
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Why do you think Satan comes through music so hard? Why are the musicians attacked so much? He WAS music in every sense! Now he's jealous of what the believer has to look forward to in eternity rather than what his end is. Good read!
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MUSIC THAT IS BACKMASKED
*THIS CONTENT WILL SHOCK U & MIGHT CONTANT PARENTAL ADVISORY CONTENT*
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wuSs3XXs7rs&feature=related (http://youtube.com/watch?v=wuSs3XXs7rs&feature=related)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LWa-clWMZ7Q&feature=related (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LWa-clWMZ7Q&feature=related)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IpZ_CaoycVc&feature=related (http://youtube.com/watch?v=IpZ_CaoycVc&feature=related)
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That rihanna joint was scary. but that DJ unk had me rollin...lol
I understand wgere Tye was coming from, and that was really deep what he was talking about
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I'm kinda getting tired of this. Yes, there are some songs out there that are pure garbage when you run them forward, but they are not written with the intention of being ran backwards. First of all, why even run them backwards in the first place? I mean come on, if you're looking for something negative within something, you're gonna do all you can to find it and make others see it to try and prove your point. They always run the rap songs backwards to find something. Has anyione ever ran a "hot" gospel song backwards to see what they can find? Why even run "Umbrella" backwards? And with the adbent of recording software, you can easily manipulate things to make them do and say what you want. G. Craig Lewis should know about this very well after something I posted in reference to one of his sermons.
Yes, Tye made a point about the influence of music, but not all secular music is bad. But prosperity preachers also influence people negatively at times, but not all preachers/ministers are bad. Music is only powerful if you allow it to consume you. Music can and should inspire, but you shouldn't let it control you. You have to be smart enough to not let a mere amalgamation of notes and lyrics make you who you are.
I really wish that we would stop picking and choosing which aspects of the world that we are going to embrace and reject. Either way it goes, it's all of the world. Cars, TV's, Navigation/GPS, computers, electricity, filtered water, restaurants, watches, cell phones, pagers, MP3 players, CD's and players, etc or all things that are of the WORLD. They were not made with the sole intention of giving glory to God, yet the majority of us(Christians) own most, if not all of these things. It's ok for us to use them because of their convenience, but if you want to keep speaking of "the world" all of the time, then do like the Amish and live totally on the Earth and not embrace the world at all, or at least enjoy what you want to out of it. I love the Lord, and I thank Jesus Christ for giving his life for the forgiveness of my sins, but MAN, we really need to get a grip sometimes. In other words, let's keep it real. No I am not perfect or without sin. But I also doubt that any of us in here can cast the first stone either.
This is not directed at the poster or anyone in particular, but at the notion of how we bash this and that for the face value of it.
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I'm kinda getting tired of this. Yes, there are some songs out there that are pure garbage when you run them forward, but they are not written with the intention of being ran backwards. First of all, why even run them backwards in the first place? I mean come on, if you're looking for something negative within something, you're gonna do all you can to find it and make others see it to try and prove your point. They always run the rap songs backwards to find something. Has anyione ever ran a "hot" gospel song backwards to see what they can find? Why even run "Umbrella" backwards? And with the adbent of recording software, you can easily manipulate things to make them do and say what you want. G. Craig Lewis should know about this very well after something I posted in reference to one of his sermons.
Yes, Tye made a point about the influence of music, but not all secular music is bad. But prosperity preachers also influence people negatively at times, but not all preachers/ministers are bad. Music is only powerful if you allow it to consume you. Music can and should inspire, but you shouldn't let it control you. You have to be smart enough to not let a mere amalgamation of notes and lyrics make you who you are.
I really wish that we would stop picking and choosing which aspects of the world that we are going to embrace and reject. Either way it goes, it's all of the world. Cars, TV's, Navigation/GPS, computers, electricity, filtered water, restaurants, watches, cell phones, pagers, MP3 players, CD's and players, etc or all things that are of the WORLD. They were not made with the sole intention of giving glory to God, yet the majority of us(Christians) own most, if not all of these things. It's ok for us to use them because of their convenience, but if you want to keep speaking of "the world" all of the time, then do like the Amish and live totally on the Earth and not embrace the world at all, or at least enjoy what you want to out of it. I love the Lord, and I thank Jesus Christ for giving his life for the forgiveness of my sins, but MAN, we really need to get a grip sometimes. In other words, let's keep it real. No I am not perfect or without sin. But I also doubt that any of us in here can cast the first stone either.
This is not directed at the poster or anyone in particular, but at the notion of how we bash this and that for the face value of it.
It goes both ways... You do not know that for sure or a persons thoughts, bliefs, or why they wrote what they did... For all we know they could have... You don't know what spirit a person has in them. "Try the spirit to see if it is of God" any spirit that is not of God... is questionable..... So to say that they didn't intent to do something without hearing it from the horse's mouth..... :-\
i mean for all we know they could be like those songs you hear in the store that hav the underline message of shop more, spend more, etc.
I get what you are saying but its a spiritual thing. if you wnat a clear answer on this (because it seems like you getting upset a little about pple "picking and choosing" I urge you to seek God for a clear answer if you can listen to "secluar music" and it sits well with your spirit and your relationship with God then hey... Highfive... that is you but like wise you can't get mad at ppl that see this music as a danger and trying to warn their brothers and sisters in and out of christ
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I really wish that we would stop picking and choosing which aspects of the world that we are going to embrace and reject. Either way it goes, it's all of the world. Cars, TV's, Navigation/GPS, computers, electricity, filtered water, restaurants, watches, cell phones, pagers, MP3 players, CD's and players, etc or all things that are of the WORLD.
I don't think being "of the world" is referring to using modern day gadgets. I believe "of the world" is talking about the way we think (in other words - a thought pattern that is not influenced by the Word of God.)
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Ay, who does "reason's" belong to, anyway??? ;D
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I'm kinda getting tired of this. Yes, there are some songs out there that are pure garbage when you run them forward, but they are not written with the intention of being ran backwards. First of all, why even run them backwards in the first place?
Good point, you can just play most of this rap music forward and get a negative message from their lyrics. They just put it out there with no shame. So why run it backwards?... Just play it forward...
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Not sure if this has been posted but this brother has been used of god to expose the devil...check it out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDnqZxTWeU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDnqZxTWeU&feature=related)
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Not sure if this has been posted but this brother has been used of god to expose the devil...check it out...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDnqZxTWeU&feature=related[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDnqZxTWeU&feature=related[/url])
:o wow :o
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Not sure if this has been posted but this brother has been used of god to expose the devil...check it out...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDnqZxTWeU&feature=related[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDnqZxTWeU&feature=related[/url])
And you need to check this out in response to that. He is way off base with this. Outright reaching. His clip is seriously doctored. Please check both links.
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,56538.0.html (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,56538.0.html)
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And you need to check this out in response to that. He is way off base with this. Outright reaching. His clip is seriously doctored. Please check both links.
[url]http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,56538.0.html[/url] ([url]http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,56538.0.html[/url])
I ran that Lucifer track backwards for myself and it certainly was manipulated!
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Good point, you can just play most of this rap music forward and get a negetive message from their lyrics. They just put it out there with no shame. So why run it backwards?... Just play it forward...
Perfect place to hide a message! But that's more like a message for people who were told to look for one. Remember when "Work It" by Missy came out? She said, "put my think down flip it and reverse it" backwards. That was no big deal but I'm guessing that started a trend for bored people everywhere. Lol! When I was in high school this guy in one of my classes was telling me about 3 six mafia and about their messages. (1) Their record label name is "hypnotize minds" (2) Their name in long hand is 666 Mafia (3) In their song "stay fly" or whatever it was called the little voice you hear during the chorus are saying, "you are god, you are king lucifier". He said he slowed down the track one day cause he was wondering what they were singing.
Just thought I'd share.
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Perfect place to hide a message! But that's more like a message for people who were told to look for one. Remember when "Work It" by Missy came out? She said, "put my think down flip it and reverse it" backwards. That was no big deal but I'm guessing that started a trend for bored people everywhere. Lol! When I was in high school this guy in one of my classes was telling me about 3 six mafia and about their messages. (1) Their record label name is "hypnotize minds" (2) Their name in long hand is 666 Mafia (3) In their song "stay fly" or whatever it was called the little voice you hear during the chorus are saying, "you are god, you are king lucifier". He said he slowed down the track one day cause he was wondering what they were singing.
Just thought I'd share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az3dqtCAGiU
yes sir you right
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And you need to check this out in response to that. He is way off base with this. Outright reaching. His clip is seriously doctored...
[url]http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,56538.0.html[/url] ([url]http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,56538.0.html[/url])[/url]
BFBT,
Do you think there's any truth at all to back-masking?
I was checking out this website that was talking about it - http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm (http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm)
This subject became popular in the 80's with shows like the 700 club talking about heavy metal groups putting subliminal messages in their music.
I don't know if back-masking is technologically possible, but it would make me wonder "why would someone hide a message in their music?" Or if it's a fluke that you happen to hear something when spinning the record backwards "why does it sound like some sort of dark message?" ... that would make me wonder even more.
I think that some music may be more than just notes on a staff. If you can have godly music that can carry an anointing with it that will minister to your inner man, I don't see why the devil won't have his counterfeit.
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BFBT,
Do you think there's any truth at all to back-masking?
I was checking out this website that was talking about it - [url]http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm[/url] ([url]http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm[/url])
This subject became popular in the 80's with shows like the 700 club talking about heavy metal groups putting subliminal messages in their music.
I don't know if back-masking is technologically possible, but it would make me wonder "why would someone hide a message in their music?" Or if it's a fluke that you happen to hear something when spinning the record backwards "why does it sound like some sort of dark message?" ... that would make me wonder even more.
I think that some music may be more than just notes on a staff. If you can have godly music that can carry an anointing with it that will minister to your inner man, I don't see why the devil won't have his counterfeit.
That's sooooo true....when you think about it, Satan works in deception...he knows that most people, particularly african americans, won't just out right whorship him (sing his praises/lift up their hands,etc) but if he can get someone that has rejected Jesus or even taken the step to literally call themselves equal with god, he will use their voice...Jay Z and Wu-Tang are just two examples that I know, but there are many more!!
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I don't think being "of the world" is referring to using modern day gadgets. I believe "of the world" is talking about the way we think (in other words - a thought pattern that is not influenced by the Word of God.)
so profound.....
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I'm kinda getting tired of this. Yes, there are some songs out there that are pure garbage when you run them forward, but they are not written with the intention of being ran backwards. First of all, why even run them backwards in the first place? I mean come on, if you're looking for something negative within something, you're gonna do all you can to find it and make others see it to try and prove your point. They always run the rap songs backwards to find something. Has anyione ever ran a "hot" gospel song backwards to see what they can find? Why even run "Umbrella" backwards? And with the adbent of recording software, you can easily manipulate things to make them do and say what you want. G. Craig Lewis should know about this very well after something I posted in reference to one of his sermons.
Yes, Tye made a point about the influence of music, but not all secular music is bad. But prosperity preachers also influence people negatively at times, but not all preachers/ministers are bad. Music is only powerful if you allow it to consume you. Music can and should inspire, but you shouldn't let it control you. You have to be smart enough to not let a mere amalgamation of notes and lyrics make you who you are.
I really wish that we would stop picking and choosing which aspects of the world that we are going to embrace and reject. Either way it goes, it's all of the world. Cars, TV's, Navigation/GPS, computers, electricity, filtered water, restaurants, watches, cell phones, pagers, MP3 players, CD's and players, etc or all things that are of the WORLD. They were not made with the sole intention of giving glory to God, yet the majority of us(Christians) own most, if not all of these things. It's ok for us to use them because of their convenience, but if you want to keep speaking of "the world" all of the time, then do like the Amish and live totally on the Earth and not embrace the world at all, or at least enjoy what you want to out of it. I love the Lord, and I thank Jesus Christ for giving his life for the forgiveness of my sins, but MAN, we really need to get a grip sometimes. In other words, let's keep it real. No I am not perfect or without sin. But I also doubt that any of us in here can cast the first stone either.
This is not directed at the poster or anyone in particular, but at the notion of how we bash this and that for the face value of it.
Good points bruh! Might I add to this as far as rap is concerned, I grew up listening to it; just as it is labeled, it is what it is, now. There was a time it was all about fun. Now it's all about anything but fun. "Parental Discretion is Advised" is put on the cover for a reason; as for playing it backward, as it was posted, playing it forward is enough.
Last, lets's keep it real; the devil has many devices he uses to attack us. Rap music in negative content is just one of them.
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BFBT,
Do you think there's any truth at all to back-masking?
I was checking out this website that was talking about it - [url]http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm[/url] ([url]http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm[/url])
This subject became popular in the 80's with shows like the 700 club talking about heavy metal groups putting subliminal messages in their music.
I don't know if back-masking is technologically possible, but it would make me wonder "why would someone hide a message in their music?" Or if it's a fluke that you happen to hear something when spinning the record backwards "why does it sound like some sort of dark message?" ... that would make me wonder even more.
I think that some music may be more than just notes on a staff. If you can have godly music that can carry an anointing with it that will minister to your inner man, I don't see why the devil won't have his counterfeit.
I would say that thers is more irony than truth to it because sure, there may be some questionable messages to them, but you also can't find it unless you look for it. But as far as it affecting someone depends on the mindset of the listener. I own "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen, and yes it says, "I love marijuana" when ran backwards, or at least that what I got from it. But I have never tried drugs of any kind or had any desire. I don't even drink. It's a choice that I made. If a weak-minded person can be influenced that strongly by music, the immoral preacher can get that same person to send in all of their money and not pay the rent because they said it will come back because God called THAT one preacher to bless the world.
It aint the music, it's the mind that determines a person's actions. You've seen how people have tried to say that music made them murder someone or commit a crime. Well, the music didn't go to prison, the person that committed the crime did. If gospel music is suppossed to influence you in a positive way, it can't do so unless you allow it to. Some folks reject gospel music just as some reject secular music. It is a choice, not an uncontrollable power. I listen to all types of music, and it has had no adverse affect on me except for teaching me about what it should and should not be. I say this coming from a producer's mindset because that is my true career pursuit.
As far as the clip that G. Craig Lewis presented, it is a blatantly deceptive presentation. He's pretty much lying in the pulpit with the help of technology. I can't respect that one bit. If you're going to call yourself telling the truth, then tell the ACTUAL truth.
I'm sure that many are disagreeing with me, but that's OK. We need to stop letting people mislead because they profess to be ministers. There are truths, half-truths, and outright lies. I've seen and heard it all over the years. Don't believe the first thing you hear just because it came from a preacher. Do you own research and find out what's really going on.
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I wednor how the mnid can doedce this mgesase I'm wntriig rhigt now. Mybae it's sehnmtoig denfrefit tahn dndoceig a macuisl mesgsae in the scuosbnocuis. I'd have to do more research about that. ::)
Music can't make anybody do anything but it can influence a listener. That's why people feel hot when they listen to some types music, empowered when you listen to others, etc.
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lol.
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I would say that thers is more irony than truth to it because sure, there may be some questionable messages to them, but you also can't find it unless you look for it. But as far as it affecting someone depends on the mindset of the listener. I own "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen, and yes it says, "I love marijuana" when ran backwards, or at least that what I got from it. But I have never tried drugs of any kind or had any desire. I don't even drink. It's a choice that I made. If a weak-minded person can be influenced that strongly by music, the immoral preacher can get that same person to send in all of their money and not pay the rent because they said it will come back because God called THAT one preacher to bless the world.
It aint the music, it's the mind that determines a person's actions. You've seen how people have tried to say that music made them murder someone or commit a crime. Well, the music didn't go to prison, the person that committed the crime did. If gospel music is suppossed to influence you in a positive way, it can't do so unless you allow it to. Some folks reject gospel music just as some reject secular music. It is a choice, not an uncontrollable power. I listen to all types of music, and it has had no adverse affect on me except for teaching me about what it should and should not be. I say this coming from a producer's mindset because that is my true career pursuit.
As far as the clip that G. Craig Lewis presented, it is a blatantly deceptive presentation. He's pretty much lying in the pulpit with the help of technology. I can't respect that one bit. If you're going to call yourself telling the truth, then tell the ACTUAL truth.
I'm sure that many are disagreeing with me, but that's OK. We need to stop letting people mislead because they profess to be ministers. There are truths, half-truths, and outright lies. I've seen and heard it all over the years. Don't believe the first thing you hear just because it came from a preacher. Do you own research and find out what's really going on.
I totally agree with you!!! Those who know me know that I dont even deal with alot of secular stuff like that, but thats me. Point blank, some stuff you could listen and some stuff you shouldn't. It totally depends on you. I can understand kind of the Jay-Z thing and stuff, but there are people singing gospel thats just as bad as some people in the world!!! How do you know that you can't run a gospel song backwards and find something in the lyrics???? Have you tried.....probaly not....why??? Maybe because you trust it. There are alot of gospel artist that are full of alot of mess also, things some of you may know, and some of you may not!!! My point is, it is not limited to just secular the devil can influence you anywhere, even at your own church and you may not know it. Its all about reading the word for yourself and understanding and applying it, so you know what to do at those time where you need the word to cover you!!!!
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just to clarify my stance on this and the reason i put it on. This was just a reminder to just watch your steps and wether(sp) your play or listen to secular music. Because i listen and play secular music. Just watch what you listen to and your steps!! We are brothers and sisters on this forum we look out for each other. Hypothetically, this message was the same as if your older brother came to you and said for instance, watch out for so called friends that appeal to your ego and constantly talk to you about doing something that you know is wrong. If you keep those friend around you might fall and they will not be there to help. You will be alone outta luck.!!
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just to clarify my stance on this and the reason i put it on. This was just a reminder to just watch your steps and wether(sp) your play or listen to secular music. Because i listen and play secular music. Just watch what you listen to and your steps!! We are brothers and sisters on this forum we look out for each other. Hypothetically, this message was the same as if your older brother came to you and said for instance, watch out for so called friends that appeal to your ego and constantly talk to you about doing something that you know is wrong. If you keep those friend around you might fall and they will not be there to help. You will be alone outta luck.!!
I feel ya!!! So true, this is a message for everyone!!
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A simple end to this thread is this... My People Perish For a Lack Of Knowledge...
for others renew your mind...
for others... come out you def and dumb spirit....
If music were the culprit a song, a hym, a melody would not be in the heart of the believer. Satan is not a creator man is because man is made in God's image. The gift that Satan wants is that of creativity. Satan's trick is to keep man from properly using that gift of life.
We cannot walk in fear of music but we should be concerned about our ignorance in stewardship of the gift(s) God has given us. Wisdom is the stability of our times and the strength of our salvation. We have enough trouble being slackers in the music ministry dept... we turn rehearsals into practice and worship services ministry of music into auditions. We show up late and leave early. We someone better prepared/better serving is rewarded/promoted "our part" because we didn't do all that we could in excellence. We make these decisions and we will have to answer for them. Question is whats works of excellence, to God's glory will we actually have in our accounts - besides chasing conspiracies of the "world" while allowing in our houses of worship dedicated to God.
Learn Music
Learn the Gospel (and the entire Word)
Learn to properly apply these things through wise council and diligence
Study to show your selves approved... because they harvest is plenty BUT THE LABOURERS ARE FEW