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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: Minsterl on July 27, 2008, 04:12:19 PM
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I think it depend on the person I mean I no some people say u should were them in church but and girls do that but the dosent matter cuz gils do the things boys do baseball basketball and things like that I dont understand and when I got them done that said i waz back slid in stuff I waz mad at that but its all cool now i just want to here wat the fam got to say about it?
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mybad the guys that have ear rings but Im not knocking the sisters I would like to here wat u have to say to
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i wear my earrings all the time.
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In order to answer this correctly we have to see what the bible says about it, and forget what our own personal opinnion is. That is why a lot of churches have been currupted is because some churches go off self opinnion and not biblical truth. Check out the following scriptures:
Proverbs 25:12
Lev. 19: 28- I have 3 fraternity brands, and even this scripture hit home for me. But it is what it is is...
Rom. 12: 1-5
These are the only scriptures that I know about this subject matter, if you find that answer in the bible than let me know, and do according to his will (don't ever deny it, confess, correct, and move on).
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Job 42:11Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
Ex 32:2
Aaron answered them, "Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me."
Ezekiel 16:12-AV And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
Personally, I don't wear earrings, but if you can wear them with a clear conscious - go for it! But if your conscious isn't clear and you're looking for someone to help convince you or back you up on this topic - maybe you should think about it a little more.
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I wear mines all the time as well. Never had an impact on me spiritually and never stopped me from being able to hear God when he speaks.
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Job 42:11Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
Ex 32:2
Aaron answered them, "Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me."
Ezekiel 16:12-AV And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
Personally, I don't wear earrings, but if you can wear them with a clear conscious - go for it! But if your conscious isn't clear and you're looking for someone to help convince you or back you up on this topic - maybe you should think about it a little more.
Cosign!!! Good stuff.
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I've never worn ear rings and don't plan to but I don't see a problem if guys want to wear them in church.
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I've had an earing since my late teens...I wear it on occassion now, however, I don't wear it to church...just my personal preference. I don't have a problem with other men wearing earrings to church. I think earrings for men are more socially accepted at present day, so I don't see it as being an issue.
The reason I don't wear them in church is being the lead musician a lot of the young adults and children tend to look up to you. I don't want to influence any young person into doing what I may see as socially acceptable if the 'parents' of those children and young adults are telling them it is not acceptable while they are still living in the parents house. Just a personal choice for me...
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We had a workshop about how to make christians look cool (because they always appeared to be these dull folks :()..SO, although it's outside my character to wear earrings, I try by all means to look (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:j-NCAyFHB3jq3M:http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2008/03/20/23/438-DARRYL_TURNER.embedded.prod_affiliate.57.JPG)(http://thepopeofpentecost.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/man-earring.jpg)(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/151/42582~LL-Cool-J-Posters.jpg) at church..
My other friend is on the 2nd pic here: (http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h-images/Fig.41.jpg)
NEVER, jaux!!
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It's funny to me how certain styles are unheard of and then just a few years later, it's the hottest thing. In the early 80s, if a guy wore an earring, he'd have the stuffing beat out of him. Then guys started wearing just one, now many guys wear two. It's never been my thing however. I also remember when guys wouldn't be caught dead in public with their hair braided, now it's the thing to do.
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I'm sorry, but I'm just not a big fan of having any more holes in my ear. That's the ONLY reason why I won't wear one.
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Here in the dirty north/south, now that I've moved, people are finally starting to warm up to men wearing earings. ::)
GO FIGURE, we're always late to the party... :-\
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It's funny to me how certain styles are unheard of and then just a few years later, it's the hottest thing. In the early 80s, if a guy wore an earring, he'd have the stuffing beat out of him. Then guys started wearing just one, now many guys wear two. It's never been my thing however. I also remember when guys wouldn't be caught dead in public with their hair braided, now it's the thing to do.
When I first started wearing earrings, I told my mom and aunties I would never wear hoops (I thought they were gay)...I assured them that I would stick to diamonds. Now hoops are mainly what I wear.
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haha im glad somebody brought this up i went to a musician friends youth revival at a COGIC my friend asked me to help play the pastor is the guitarist and his son is openly gay in the church comminity state wide and after service the pastor pulled me aside and said "we dont allow the musicians to wear earrings" i was like WHAT THE :-X in my head told him back with all due respect sir how are you going to talk about me when your son is gay he had no comment i felt bad for saying it but it needed to be said people in the church put to much pressure on the musicians and allways got something bad to say to us but nothing good at least the churches i've been to
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Earrings shouldn't make a difference; after all, man looks at the outer appearance, but God looks at the heart. BUT, if the church you're at has a dress code, you should follow the order of that particular house.
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haha im glad somebody brought this up i went to a musician friends youth revival at a COGIC my friend asked me to help play the pastor is the guitarist and his son is openly gay in the church comminity state wide and after service the pastor pulled me aside and said "we dont allow the musicians to wear earrings" i was like WHAT THE :-X in my head told him back with all due respect sir how are you going to talk about me when your son is gay he had no comment i felt bad for saying it but it needed to be said people in the church put to much pressure on the musicians and allways got something bad to say to us but nothing good at least the churches i've been to
Lol!! That was a good one!!
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haha im glad somebody brought this up i went to a musician friends youth revival at a COGIC my friend asked me to help play the pastor is the guitarist and his son is openly gay in the church comminity state wide and after service the pastor pulled me aside and said "we dont allow the musicians to wear earrings" i was like WHAT THE :-X in my head told him back with all due respect sir how are you going to talk about me when your son is gay he had no comment i felt bad for saying it but it needed to be said people in the church put to much pressure on the musicians and allways got something bad to say to us but nothing good at least the churches i've been to
WoW..LOL.
I have played at churches that dont accept the males wearing ear rings. I could get bent out of shape about it but I just take them out and do what I do.
When I first started wearing earrings, I told my mom and aunties I would never wear hoops (I thought they were gay)...I assured them that I would stick to diamonds. Now hoops are mainly what I wear.
I can't do the hoops. I stick to the diamonds.
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i wear earrings. I feel anything that pertains to your dress code should not distract folks from focusing on God and his spirit. It's cool with me, but we must present ourselves as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God. So its based on your conviction and your conscious.
How come women can wear hats and men can't s the better question :-[
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How come women can wear hats and men can't s the better question :-[
Its an old testament thing i think. Women should cover their heads as a sign of respect to God. Men should not cover their head for the same reason.
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I wear my ear rings......I wont stop or hinder me from being a child of god ( plus im just dat cool)
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This guy. :D :D :D :D
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Why people think the church should accept anything from the world? I am tired of the "God is only looking at your heart" quote. How can your heart be right, and the body or mind is not in order. Uncle Sam has a dress code for the Navy, Army, Air Force, Marines and etc. We do not question him near as fast. God's people
always has to question everything that doesn't fit what they want to do. This is a good topic because I know some sad people that would rather go to another church than obey the rules of God's house. If I can walk into your church and i can't distinguish the SHEEP from the GOATS I know that I am in the wrong place.
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Why people think the church should accept anything from the world? I am tired of the "God is only looking at your heart" quote. How can your heart be right, and the body or mind is not in order. Uncle Sam has a dress code for the Navy, Army, Air Force, Marines and etc. We do not question him near as fast. God's people always has to question everything that doesn't fit what they want to do. This is a good topic because I know some sad people that would rather go to another church than obey the rules of God's house. If I can walk into your church and i can't distinguish the SHEEP from the GOATS I know that I am in the wrong place.
1. What does wearing an earring have to do with not having one's body and mind in order? If wearing earrings make your body or mind not in order, then there are a lot of females that are in trouble???
2. Yes, the military does have a dress code, while in "uniform" military members cannot wear earrings, however I've never read in the Bible a dress code from God stating in church "uniform" (I still awaiting for them to issue my uniform...lol) a man cannot wear an earring...Note: If the pastor/"church happens to enforce a dress code within the walls of the church, I would still however abide by their rules maintaining respect for authority within the church...but outside of that, I still understand that, whether I wear an earring or not, it has nothing to do with my salvation or my walk with God...
3. I you walked into a church and "Noone" was wearing earrings...You still couldn't distinguish any better the SHEEP from the GOATS...only God truly knows someone's heart...
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1. What does wearing an earring have to do with not having one's body and mind in order? If wearing earrings make your body or mind not in order, then there are a lot of females that are in trouble???
2. Yes, the military does have a dress code, while in "uniform" military members cannot wear earrings, however I've never read in the Bible a dress code from God stating in church "uniform" (I still awaiting for them to issue my uniform...lol) a man cannot wear an earring...Note: If the pastor/"church happens to enforce a dress code within the walls of the church, I would still however abide by their rules maintaining respect for authority within the church...but outside of that, I still understand that, whether I wear an earring or not, it has nothing to do with my salvation or my walk with God...
3. I you walked into a church and "Noone" was wearing earrings...You still couldn't distinguish any better the SHEEP from the GOATS...only God truly knows someone's heart...
Sounds right to me.
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Why people think the church should accept anything from the world? I am tired of the "God is only looking at your heart" quote.
My question is "who makes the rules as to what is worldly or not?" If it's worldly for a man to wear earrings, why isn't it worldly for him to wear a gold chain or a bracelet? Who say the earrings are worldly but bracelets aren't. If I wear the same Stacy Adams suit that some R&B singer had on TV, does that make my suit worldly. Enlighten a brother!
If I can walk into your church and i can't distinguish the SHEEP from the GOATS I know that I am in the wrong place.
My Bible reads "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another. John 13:35”
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THIS IS MY REPLY TO ALL OF YA WHO REPLIED TO MY QUESTIONS ON THE SUBJECT OF EARRINGS...
FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS AND BIBLICAL ANSWERS. I HAV ONE SCENARIO FOR THOSE WHO USED A SCRIPTURE OR BIBLICAL ANSWER...THIS IS Y I BELIEVE IT IS PERFECTLY FINE TO WEAR EARRINGS AS A CHRISTIAN BECAUSE IF I WALKED INTO CHURCH WEARIN USHER COLOGNE, WOULD I B SAT DOWN FOR WEARIN HIS COLOGNE? ALL BECAUSE USHER ISNT ACCEPTED IN YOUR EYES DOESNT MEAN THAT ME WEARIN HIS COLOGNE MAKE ME THE SAME AS HIM. I KNOW I AM WITH GOD, SO AS LONG AS THE EARRINGS DONT INTERFERE WITH MY WALK I CAN STILL WEAR THEM.
THE REASON Y I POSTED THIS EARRING SITUATION IS BECUASE CHURCH PEOPLE BASE THEIR DECISONS ON THE OUTCOME OF THE SIN. CUZ IF A PERSON WERE TO LIE, CHEAT, OR STEAL THEY WOULD NOT BE SAT DOWN OR IN A POSITION. BUT IF THEY WERE TO HAVE AN ABORTION, A BABY FROM AN AFFAIR, OR DO DRUGS THEY WOULD BE SAT DOWN OR NOT A POSTION. BECAUSE THE OUTCOME CAN BE SEEN AND NOTICED. BUT THE THING IS THAT IT IS STILL A SIN NO MATTER THE SIN OR THE OUTCOME.
WAT I NEED TO KNOW IS WAT DID THE PIERCINGS DAT JESUS RECECEIVED ON THE CROSS SIGNIFY?
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I believe as the other individual below. I believe the scripture says i wil trust the Lord with all my heart, all my might. Acknowledge Him all thy ways and He shall direct thy path. If you want the truth; search the scriptures. If you want to do, what you want to do then don't ask the question. Music is a ministry and we should represent Jesus in all that we do, afterall, it is His house that we attend on a weekly basis. On a more personal note, i believe God has dealt with you about the issue because you are asking questions. Ask the Man who's opinion count. Ask God. He will not lie to you.
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I believe as the other individual below. I believe the scripture says i wil trust the Lord with all my heart, all my might. Acknowledge Him all thy ways and He shall direct thy path. If you want the truth; search the scriptures. If you want to do, what you want to do then don't ask the question. Music is a ministry and we should represent Jesus in all that we do, afterall, it is His house that we attend on a weekly basis. On a more personal note, i believe God has dealt with you about the issue because you are asking questions. Ask the Man who's opinion count. Ask God. He will not lie to you.
What does this mean...sure, everyone should consult, pray and ask God first about their convictions, but what does any of this have to do with wearing an earring, in the day and time of the Bible most wealthy men wore earrings...
Anyway...on another note, Welcome to LGM Mzliz :D
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This all goes back to havin the HOLY GHOST. You cant be holy without it, You can try but not for so long.
The holy ghost shall lead you into all truth. Listen/obey them that have rule over you.
My questions is not should musicians/church folk wear ear rings, my question is why-no condemation!
Now GOD's People are suppose to have/look good/be bless but that isnt the purpose of why we accepted christ into our lives. We accepted him bc we ant to live a better life (GO TO HEAVEN TOO) by turning away from what we use to do, say, act to something pleasing in the sight of GOD.
I think it is up to the individual to decide his fate (Workin out his own salvation with fear and trembling)
Thats why we must sarch the scripture daily
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This all goes back to havin the HOLY GHOST. You cant be holy without it, You can try but not for so long.
The holy ghost shall lead you into all truth. Listen/obey them that have rule over you.
My questions is not should musicians/church folk wear ear rings, my question is why-no condemation!
Now GOD's People are suppose to have/look good/be bless but that isnt the purpose of why we accepted christ into our lives. We accepted him bc we ant to live a better life (GO TO HEAVEN TOO) by turning away from what we use to do, say, act to something pleasing in the sight of GOD.
I think it is up to the individual to decide his fate (Workin out his own salvation with fear and trembling)
Thats why we must sarch the scripture daily
I'm still lost in what is being said?...what does any of this have to do with wearing an earring...What condemnation should there be 'cause you wear an earring??!!
...When you speak of turning away from what we use to do, are you speaking of un-Christ like ways or "everything" we use to do, (including things that are in no way bad)? 2nd question...what makes a man wearing an earring un-Christ-like or bad?
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I'm still lost in what is being said?...what does any of this have to do with wearing an earring...What condemnation should there be 'cause you wear an earring??!!
...When you speak of turning away from what we use to do, are you speaking of un-Christ like ways or "everything" we use to do, (including things that are in no way bad)? 2nd question...what makes a man wearing an earring un-Christ-like or bad?
its up to u to decide, its ur life, its ur way how you want to take it
I dont mean everthing bc we are in the world but not of the world
I believe the bible talks about piercing/cuts But maybe I dont have understanding on it!
But as for me I have no plans for ear-rings and tatoos or Long Hair Even though I need a hair cut RIGHT NOW!
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Sounds like some people have been Brain Washed. Yeah I said it!
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Ex 32:2
Aaron answered them, "Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me."
Aaron said this so he could use the gold to make the calf idol not as instruction to God's people to do something God call them to do.
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But as for me I have no plans for ear-rings and tatoos or Long Hair Even though I need a hair cut RIGHT NOW!
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To each their own Bruh...
...Sampson had long hair and was told not to cut it... ;)
If if convicts you not to wear or do such things, so be it, who am I to say different...you still my brother!...
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Sounds like some people have been Brain Washed. Yeah I said it!
True that, or they allow the cares of the world to change them!
Aaron said this so he could use the gold to make the calf idol not as instruction to God's people to do something God call them to do.
this is correct but Aaron was defying something God already said (I forgot the story) but someone was on the mountain gettin instruction and Aaron was down from the mountain weary.
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To each their own Bruh...
...Sampson had long hair and was told not to cut it... ;)
If if convicts you not to wear or do such things, so be it, who am I to say different...you still my brother!...
I Agree! With That Bruh
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I am a worship leader and i have earrings, and two tattoos on my wrist but God still uses me to minister!
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Ooh I know about some dress codes. White folk holiness standards are something else!! I've been to churches where no one on the platform was to wear any form of jewelry. I've also heard of preachers preaching against ties (they pointed downwards), levi's (the label was by the butt and drew attention to men's heinies, hairbows, curls in the front of your face, and thongs (sandals AND underwear). The junk people come up with!!
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1) I've also heard of preachers preaching against ties (they pointed downwards), l
2) levi's (the label was by the butt and drew attention to men's heinies,
3) hairbows, curls in the front of your face,
4) and thongs (sandals AND underwear).
1) ...ok? So I'm guessing they were big fans of Dilbert.
2) That's not a problem with the jeans. That's a problem with the person looking. If it goes from simply reading what's on the pants to checking the dude out then that's the problem and that's what they should have preached on.
3) Lol. Why?
4) As long as it's not visible then I don't see the problem. When it's visible it's just tacky.
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Ooh I know about some dress codes. White folk holiness standards are something else!! I've been to churches where no one on the platform was to wear any form of jewelry. I've also heard of preachers preaching against ties (they pointed downwards), levi's (the label was by the butt and drew attention to men's heinies, hairbows, curls in the front of your face, and thongs (sandals AND underwear). The junk people come up with!!
Didnt Jesus Wear thongs?
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At my church no MEMBER is permitted to where jewelry. That means no necklaces,no earings,anklechains and the like. The men are not permitted to have have braids or long hair. No weave or wigs for the women. Women have to wear a headcovering on their head. We also follow another very controversial part of dress code, am sure you guys know what that is, o and know make-up. I have scripture why we do these things if your wondering.
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. I have scripture why we do these things if your wondering.
yeah we're wondering :D
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I know! I even have a pair of Jesus thongs! Lol. Ha. The reason why the guy preached against tvs is because the pointed towards the male special part
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I wanted yall to see a sample of the church I attend, NO EAR RINGS, AND NO HOLD BACKS !
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So where are those Bible verses tha said thatAt my church no MEMBER is permitted to where jewelry. That means no necklaces,no earings,anklechains and the like. The men are not permitted to have have braids or long hair. No weave or wigs for the women. Women have to wear a headcovering on their head. We also follow another very controversial part of dress code, am sure you guys know what that is, o and know make-up. I have scripture why we do these things if your wondering.
What Bible verses support those views?
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I said that we have scriptures why practice these things. It all comes down to the matter interpretation, but these are some
Isaiah 3:16-24
Jeremiah 4:30
Leviticus 19:28
I Timothy 2:9
I Peter 3:3
I Corinthians 11:14
I Corinthians 11:5
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Isaiah 3:16-24
in that same passage it says that The Lord will also take away undergarments and money purses. So do your women not carry purses? Do Yall not wear undergarments?
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Which verse are you refering to ?
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Which verse are you refering to ?
Isaiah 3:16-24 (New American Standard Bible)
Judah's Women Denounced
16Moreover, the LORD said, "Because the (A)daughters of Zion are proud
And walk with heads held high and seductive eyes,
And go along with mincing steps
And tinkle the bangles on their feet,
17Therefore the Lord will afflict the scalp of the daughters of Zion with scabs,
And the LORD will make their foreheads bare."
18In that day the Lord will take away the beauty of their anklets, headbands, (B)crescent ornaments,
19dangling earrings, bracelets, veils,
20(C)headdresses, ankle chains, sashes, perfume boxes, amulets,
21finger rings, (D)nose rings,
22festal robes, outer tunics, cloaks, money purses,
23hand mirrors, undergarments, turbans and veils.
24Now it will come about that instead of sweet (E)perfume there will be putrefaction;
Instead of a belt, a rope;
Instead of (F)well-set hair, a (G)plucked-out scalp;
Instead of fine clothes, a (H)donning of sackcloth;
And branding instead of beauty.
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I use to wear earrings like a yr ago..I stopped wearing them because I felt a conviction. Not about wearing them period but I knew that there were so many churches that hadn't gotten to the point that they could swallow something like that..especially when you're in a leadership position, so I took them off. When I go to churches to minister, I don't want them to be staring at my earrings, I want them to hear my message. Now, one could say, "if they don't receive you then that's them," that's true, but I try to always keep in mind that it is not about me AT ALL, but it's all about Jesus. I felt like God was telling me, you're not getting rid of them for you. You're doing it for My Glory. It was a sacrifice I was willing to make for the Glory of the Lord. Like someone said a few pages ago..if you are feeling a conviction about it then maybe you should pray and ask God for direction. I however, am not against wearing earrings, I don't discriminate!
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I said that we have scriptures why practice these things. It all comes down to the matter interpretation, but these are some
Isaiah 3:16-24
The items were taken away BECAUSE the daughters were "haughty", arrogant.
Jeremiah 4:30
The Prophet Jeremiah(as God's mouthpiece) was addressing the people, as if to say "look at you!" not to an individual
Leviticus 19:28
Now THERE is a command. Could be open for interpretation, but it's more clear
I Timothy 2:9
huh?
I Peter 3:3
nothing to do with apparel.
I Corinthians 11:14
Up for discussion and interpretation.
I Corinthians 11:5 HUH?
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Isaiah 3:16-24 (New American Standard Bible)
Judah's Women Denounced
16Moreover, the LORD said, "Because the (A)daughters of Zion are proud
And walk with heads held high and seductive eyes,
And go along with mincing steps
And tinkle the bangles on their feet,
17Therefore the Lord will afflict the scalp of the daughters of Zion with scabs,
And the LORD will make their foreheads bare."
18In that day the Lord will take away the beauty of their anklets, headbands, (B)crescent ornaments,
19dangling earrings, bracelets, veils,
20(C)headdresses, ankle chains, sashes, perfume boxes, amulets,
21finger rings, (D)nose rings,
22festal robes, outer tunics, cloaks, money purses,
23hand mirrors, undergarments, turbans and veils.
24Now it will come about that instead of sweet (E)perfume there will be putrefaction;
Instead of a belt, a rope;
Instead of (F)well-set hair, a (G)plucked-out scalp;
Instead of fine clothes, a (H)donning of sackcloth;
And branding instead of beauty.
Nothing in this scripture has anything at all to do with whether it is proper for today's people of God to wear the things mentionjed in the verse. It was specifically addressed to the pride and haughtiness to JUDAH'S WOMEN at a particular time in history. Now do the women of the churches that follow this doctrine have scabs on their scalps. Do they smell putrefied? (Like rotten meat)
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Sir, if you read what I wrote the scriptures I gave were not just for earings, they were for other things as well(if you didnt know,not trying to be smart but humble). As a far a the scripture in Leviticus being a commandment and not being up for disscusion, that is disscussable by it self. The book of Leviticus is a book of the law, which is something that a lot of preachers do not like to mess with because a lot of them do not know to obey it or not because of scriptures like this: Gal. 3:10-13,19,24,25,4:4-5 and others(I am tired right now,and do not feel like typing). Yes it was a commandment to the children of Israel just like Deuteronomy 22:11 and the other scriptures like the ones concerning the diet of and Israelite,but most belivers dont follow Deut.22:11 and many other things of the law, for example Deuteronomy 14:3-8, but when you come over to the New Testament you gey this: Colossians 2:16, I Tim. 4:3-5. So when you get or give Old Testament scripture it is best to give New Testament to balance the two passages out(I belive this particulair passage(Lev.19:28) is still in full effect. I belive that men,and women alike are to adorn themselves in modest apparel, not getting dress to showoff for others, but to be presentable to others as they present their bodies before GOD(Rom.12:1). As for Isaiah 3 if you look at the 16 verse two key words in their are MOREOVER(in addition to what has been said) and BECAUSE(due to the fact that)so due to the fact that they are haughty these things will be taken away from them and somethings will be replaced with things of discomfort,and pain.In this passage the things are not being replaced because what they are, it because of the attitude,character,and ego of the individuals wereing these things. I belive that sometimes these things(I am talking about Jewlery here) can add to the battle of staying humble,modest,and temperate, as well as MANY other things. I belive that a part church world is taking the grace that Jesus brought comparied to the bondage of the law, and turned it into a excuse,and validated explination to do basiclly whatever they want,and have took the scripture where the spirt of the Lord is there is liberty and misused and interpeted it. I belive that it's time for the Body of Christ to get up, stop compromising, and fulfill our position that God has called us into. So finally, MODEST AND HUMBLE IS THE WAY. Me I dont want holes in the church house and I dont want holes in my tabernacle(or temple of God both are used in scripture to compare the human body as a dwelling place of the Spirit of God).If we look at what Jesus said about the Holy Ghost(St. John 16:7-11,12-15), then receive it, then obey it. Heaven will be our home. Sorry for mistakes I am tired :P Thanks if you read this, and God Bless(oh and guys I am only 15 so most of you have more experience than me in the word so thank God for what i know and pray for me)
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What about Leviticus 19: 20'(X)Now if a man lies carnally with a woman who is a slave acquired for another man, but who has in no way been redeemed nor given her freedom, there shall be punishment; they shall not, however, be put to death, because she was not free; 23'When you enter the land and plant all kinds of trees for food, then you shall count their fruit as forbidden. Three years it shall be forbidden to you; it shall not be eaten.
24'But in the fourth year all its fruit shall be holy, an offering of praise to the LORD.
25'In the fifth year you are to eat of its fruit, that its yield may increase for you; I am the LORD your God.
26'You shall not eat anything (Z)with the blood, nor practice (AA)divination or soothsaying.
27'(AB)You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard.
30'You shall (AD)keep My sabbaths and (AE)revere My sanctuary; I am the LORD. (Does your church worship on Sunday instead of the Sabbath (Sat.)
32'(AG)You shall rise up before the grayheaded and honor the aged, and you shall revere your God; I am the LORD.
33'(AH)When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.
34'The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and (AI)you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the LORD your God.
What about all of the other commandments in the chapter. Why do some churches pick and choose the scriptures they enforce, if it all applies to us?
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Gal. 3:10-13,19,24,25,4:4-5 Read This and tell me what you think about the other verses, and also Col.2:14-16.
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Sir, if you read what I wrote the scriptures I gave were not just for earings, they were for other things as well(if you didnt know,not trying to be smart but humble). As a far a the scripture in Leviticus being a commandment and not being up for disscusion, that is disscussable by it self. The book of Leviticus is a book of the law, which is something that a lot of preachers do not like to mess with because a lot of them do not know to obey it or not because of scriptures like this: Gal. 3:10-13,19,24,25,4:4-5 and others(I am tired right now,and do not feel like typing). Yes it was a commandment to the children of Israel just like Deuteronomy 22:11 and the other scriptures like the ones concerning the diet of and Israelite,but most belivers dont follow Deut.22:11 and many other things of the law, for example Deuteronomy 14:3-8, but when you come over to the New Testament you gey this: Colossians 2:16, I Tim. 4:3-5. So when you get or give Old Testament scripture it is best to give New Testament to balance the two passages out(I belive this particulair passage(Lev.19:28) is still in full effect. I belive that men,and women alike are to adorn themselves in modest apparel, not getting dress to showoff for others, but to be presentable to others as they present their bodies before GOD(Rom.12:1). As for Isaiah 3 if you look at the 16 verse two key words in their are MOREOVER(in addition to what has been said) and BECAUSE(due to the fact that)so due to the fact that they are haughty these things will be taken away from them and somethings will be replaced with things of discomfort,and pain.In this passage the things are not being replaced because what they are, it because of the attitude,character,and ego of the individuals wereing these things. I belive that sometimes these things(I am talking about Jewlery here) can add to the battle of staying humble,modest,and temperate, as well as MANY other things. I belive that a part church world is taking the grace that Jesus brought comparied to the bondage of the law, and turned it into a excuse,and validated explination to do basiclly whatever they want,and have took the scripture where the spirt of the Lord is there is liberty and misused and interpeted it. I belive that it's time for the Body of Christ to get up, stop compromising, and fulfill our position that God has called us into. So finally, MODEST AND HUMBLE IS THE WAY. Me I dont want holes in the church house and I dont want holes in my tabernacle(or temple of God both are used in scripture to compare the human body as a dwelling place of the Spirit of God).If we look at what Jesus said about the Holy Ghost(St. John 16:7-11,12-15), then receive it, then obey it. Heaven will be our home. Sorry for mistakes I am tired :P Thanks if you read this, and God Bless(oh and guys I am only 15 so most of you have more experience than me in the word so thank God for what i know and pray for me)
Hey travis, I hope you aren't taking this the wrong way. I agree with much of what you said here about humility and modesty. I disagree that followers of Christ are obliged to keep all of the Old Testament rules. that is why I listed some of the other verses in Lev. 19. No church today, that i know of, follows those rules.
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I understand, thanks for clearing that up. ;)
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Leviticus 19:28
Now THERE is a command. Could be open for interpretation, but it's more clear
I misread this just for a thumbs up.
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Gal. 3:10-13,19,24,25,4:4-5 Read This and tell me what you think about the other verses, and also Col.2:14-16.
Gal. 3:10-13
10And all who depend on the Law [who are seeking to be justified by obedience to the Law of rituals] are under a curse and doomed to disappointment and destruction, for it is written in the Scriptures, Cursed (accursed, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment) be everyone who does not continue to abide (live and remain) by all the precepts and commands written in the Book of the Law and to practice them.(C)
11Now it is evident that no person is justified (declared righteous and brought into right standing with God) through the Law, for the Scripture says, The man in right standing with God [the just, the righteous] shall live by and out of faith and he who through and by faith is declared righteous and in right standing with God shall live.(D)
12But the Law does not rest on faith [does not require faith, has nothing to do with faith], for it itself says, He who does them [the things prescribed by the Law] shall live by them [not by faith].(E)
13Christ purchased our freedom [redeeming us] from the curse (doom) of the Law [and its condemnation] by [Himself] becoming a curse for us, for it is written [in the Scriptures], Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree (is crucified);(F)
Gal. 3:19
19What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added [later on, after the promise, to disclose and expose to men their guilt] because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made. And it [the Law] was arranged and ordained and appointed through the instrumentality of angels [and was given] by the hand (in the person) of a go-between [Moses, an intermediary person between God and man].
Gal. 3:24-25
24So that the Law served [a][to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith.
25But now that the faith has come, we are no longer under a trainer (the guardian of our childhood).
Gal. 4:4-5
4But when the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born subject to [the regulations of] the Law,
5To purchase the freedom of (to ransom, to redeem, to [a]atone for) those who were subject to the Law, that we might be adopted and have sonship conferred upon us [and be recognized as God's sons].
Bottomline, those scriptures mean that neither the Jews who followed Christ nor us are subject to the law by works, but are free in Christ through faith. (Read the bold print)
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Gospelstar 21 has got it right!! Holiness is not a doctrine, its not a message your pastor preaches, its a lifestyle of convictions and the results of a relationship of God. One thing I can't stand about people dicussing holiness is the fact that EVERYTIME we end up arguing about scriptures.
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I don't think it matters because God judges the heart of man and not what there outward appearance looks like. God bless :)
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I don't think it matters because God judges the heart of man and not what there outward appearance looks like. God bless :)
Fantastic!!
I was looking for an excuse to wear saggy pants and wife beaters to church.
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Fantastic!!
I was looking for an excuse to wear saggy pants and wife beaters to church.
Saggy pants, wife beater or leopard-print loin cloth, God is still looking at the heart. :D
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All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. I Corinthians 6:12
As Christians we must understand that God provides choice He will never step over our will. What he would like is for our wills to align with His. This being said no its not a sin to where them but doesnt mean its not a stumbling block. Thats where the above scripture comes in.
It is difficult to not follow worldly practices, however, we must be careful in what we imitate. Cologne type was not a good example to use in comparison with image. The physical church must be honest in acknowledging the impact and influence the world has on us. We imitae the world, they appear to disciple us. (Im not just talking about outward adorning). Lets be real if the world wasnt doing it, neither would we. It wouldnt be an issue.
For those individuals who continue to speak of God knowing the heart. Lets look at scripture and discover what God actually says about the heart. Jer 17:9/Ec 9:3 to name a few. A study of proverbs will enrich your understanding of trusting in your own heart. Its foolishness. We dont know our hearts, the LUST OF THE WORLD appeal to our hearts. For this reason God had to give us a new heart. You dont know your heart, stop trying to think you do. God does and He declares its wickedness. Look at the world-- thats the heart of man. If not for the grace of God there we go. This being said. We must remind ourselves of the scripture I John 2:16-17. The world appeals to the flesh. Thats why God says dont love it, sometimes left unchecked your desires fall in line with the very occurrances of the world.
When did it every become do what you want? You may not mean it in this manner, but many take it dont judge (we are living epistles read of men im not judging just reading--) the question may be what are people reading. We will know them by their fruit-time for fruit inspection.
Modesty in all is key. Again I dont say its a sin to wear ear rings, some look nice; but I do know it can be a distraction. We can state its someone elses problem, but lets go to scripture:if eating meat offends --- dont do. Im not saying dont wear them what I am saying is seek God, check your real reasons for wanting to wear them, seek scriptures, the epistles are filled with advice on christian living.
Didnt mean to be this long got carried away. Love God with your HEART< MIND & SOUL.
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I think people are taking this subject way too far.
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yeah thats the one thing I will say about holiness/standards/modesty is that people will take it way toooooo far. just pray and ask God what He wants.
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I think people are taking this subject way too far.
WAAAAAY too far.
...Jer 17:9/Ec 9:3 to name a few. A study of proverbs will enrich your understanding of trusting in your own heart. Its foolishness. We dont know our hearts, the LUST OF THE WORLD appeal to our hearts. For this reason God had to give us a new heart. You dont know your heart, stop trying to think you do. God does and He declares its wickedness. Look at the world-- thats the heart of man...
I think the above scripture is referring to those who don't know God (i.e. the world). I don't think this applies to those who have accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior with the Holy Spirit living inside us. If we have the Holy Spirit, our hearts shouldn't be desperately wicked and full of evil. If it is, earrings are your least concern.
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I like this topic. I'll be back.
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thanks for all the replay about this topic some i didnt look some i did so thanks for givin me or input again......