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Title: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: MrSteve on September 02, 2008, 12:45:55 PM
So the worship leader has been talking to me about how he loved the bassline on Anthony Evans' version of Blessed Be Your Name. He sent me the MP3 today so I could learn it for tomorrow's rehearsal and it cracked me up because I already learned this when I learned to play Larry Graham's line on If You Want Me to Stay. There are some small changes here and there but it's too close to be an accident, right? I mean, what bass player doesn't know this line?

Am I crazy?
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: Torch7 on September 02, 2008, 02:06:30 PM
Honestly, I have heard the song a million and 1 times, and Sly and Family Stone never came to mind, then when you pointed it out, I could totally hear it.

With that said, the feel of the song, could totally lend to that being an accident, and not intentional.  I won't make a decision one way of the other. 

I am often just playing around grooving with keyboard player after service, and people will say that was "Such and Such Song" -- And I am like, I have never heard that song in my life.  And I then get that look, like... You must've been in the club last night. LOL!

Anyhow, our keyboard player is so good at pointing out songs that we do that sound like another song...  I've gotten to the point where with 12 tones, you will get alot of repetition.

Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: MikeGee on September 02, 2008, 03:21:38 PM
The drummer in my non-church christian band. Hands me a cd and says. "do you think you can learn the bass line to track one". I am thinking to myself ohhh great and am terrible at this. I may be asking my father to help me with this. I turn it on and I hear the bass like to the Staple singers- I'll take you there. I happen to have been playing this run for about 6 months and play it at least once a week. I dont remember the name of the song but it was gospel.
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: malthumb on September 02, 2008, 04:03:01 PM
...I turn it on and I hear the bass like to the Staple singers- I'll take you there. I happen to have been playing this run for about 6 months and play it at least once a week. I dont remember the name of the song but it was gospel.

It's a Joe Pace song.  If I were near my iPod I could tell you the name.  I bought two Joe Pace CDs on iTunes this past week and one of them has the bassline to "I'll Take You There".  There's another Joe Pace selection (that an MoM has asked me to learn) that I'm tellin' you when I listened to it I clearly heard "That's The Way Of The World" by Earth Wind & Fire.  There's another song we do, "Holy Spirit" that sounds like "Keep Your Head To The Sky", but in a different key.  And let us NOT get started on Kirk Franklin.......

Peace,

James
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: jeremyr on September 02, 2008, 04:07:05 PM
It's a Joe Pace song.  If I were near my iPod I could tell you the name.  I bought two Joe Pace CDs on iTunes this past week and one of them has the bassline to "I'll Take You There". 


the name of that song is "I will bless the lord at all times".

It kind of tripped be me out a little when i heard it too..lol (even though the staples singers where a christian group it's pretty bold just to jack the beat like that).
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: BassbyGrace on September 02, 2008, 05:47:40 PM
  There's another Joe Pace selection (that an MoM has asked me to learn) that I'm tellin' you when I listened to it I clearly heard "That's The Way Of The World" by Earth Wind & Fire. 

Yo, when I heard that cut, I was like, are they serious?  :D  I mean, theres no mistaking either, esp. the little guitar part they try to twist into something else lol. 
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: Torch7 on September 02, 2008, 10:22:26 PM
There's another song we do, "Holy Spirit" that sounds like "Keep Your Head To The Sky", but in a different key.  And let us NOT get started on Kirk Franklin.......

Kirk does a song that is straight up "Keep your head to the sky" :)

the name of that song is "I will bless the lord at all times".

We played a bit of it once during rehearsal, and folks started trippin'... like what are yall doing.
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: dhagler on September 03, 2008, 08:32:11 AM
Shall we start a thread called "Gospel Songs That Borrow From Secular Songs"? I'll start... :)

Mary Mary's "Heaven" is straight from Honey Cone's "Want Ads"
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: BassbyGrace on September 03, 2008, 08:43:49 AM
Mary Mary's "Heaven" is straight from Honey Cone's "Want Ads"
:o Say it aint so!  Awww man!  I sho thought that was original. *sigh* :-[
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: floaded27 on September 03, 2008, 08:51:51 AM
my mentor/teacher can tell all of that with any song. most of them have parts from something and he taught me how to listen for it. i can tell if i hear it, but my old-school secular catalog is very limited so i cant do it off the top of my head.
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: cordney on September 03, 2008, 09:00:17 AM
That Joe Pace song had the audience lookin puzzled when we played that.  We had a guy do a gospel rap; he wanted us to learn "Just to get By" by Talib Kweli. We played that and the youth at the church went wild.  I thought we were in the club...lol.
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: malthumb on September 03, 2008, 11:38:10 AM
Shall we start a thread called "Gospel Songs That Borrow From Secular Songs"? I'll start... :)

Mary Mary's "Heaven" is straight from Honey Cone's "Want Ads"

Kirk Franklin "Stomp" = Parliament Funkadelic "One Nation Under A Groove"

Kirk Franklin "I've Been Looking For You" = Patrice Rushen "Haven't You Heard"

Bishop Paul Morton "Let It Rain" borrows a lot from Prince "Purple Rain"

I'm sure I'll think of a few more
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: dhagler on September 03, 2008, 12:15:18 PM
C'mon, now...  The rest of the 40-somethings need to chime in! ;D

Kirk Franklin's "This Is It" = Kenny Loggins' "This Is It"

One thing about Kirk, he makes no bones about liberally sampling secular music.
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: MikeGee on September 03, 2008, 03:44:46 PM
That Joe Pace song had the audience lookin puzzled when we played that.  We had a guy do a gospel rap; he wanted us to learn "Just to get By" by Talib Kweli. We played that and the youth at the church went wild.  I thought we were in the club...lol.


I am 27 and black and have no idea who you are talking about. (Talib Kweli)
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: Torch7 on September 03, 2008, 04:32:10 PM
My br'er pointed out on rendition of "Trading my Sorrows" sounds just like Fine Young Cannibals, "She Drives me Crazy"....  I was crushed... LOL!
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: cordney on September 04, 2008, 09:06:08 AM

I am 27 and black and have no idea who you are talking about. (Talib Kweli)

Type his name in google...download the song; actually the beat is pretty nice.
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: Shribs on September 11, 2008, 11:16:27 AM
this is kinda funny, because I just wrote a song a couple of weeks ago that borrows from that larry graham funk line. I actually used flea's (From the RHCP) version/style to write it, its different, but thats where I got the idea, I play it F# F# F# F# F# F# F# F# E E E E E E E E A A A A A A A A B B B B B B B B same rhythm and everything lol
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: bassksun on September 11, 2008, 05:11:12 PM
this is kinda funny, because I just wrote a song a couple of weeks ago that borrows from that larry graham funk line. I actually used flea's (From the RHCP) version/style to write it, its different, but thats where I got the idea, I play it F# F# F# F# F# F# F# F# E E E E E E E E A A A A A A A A B B B B B B B B same rhythm and everything lol

Funny...I'm writing a song "Desert People" but Jaco's "River People" keeps slipping in...maybe I'll just do a Kirk Franklin and use the same line... :-\

oh well
be blessed
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: kevmove02 on September 11, 2008, 05:22:01 PM
Did you know that the early hymns that were written following the Protestant Reformation used beer pub songs as the backing track? John or Chrles Wesley said it made it easier to teach theology when set to music that the people already knew....who would have thought that we would be doing the same thing 300 years later!
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: phbrown on September 22, 2008, 12:05:51 AM
When I'm warming up sometimes I like to do a little finger funk. Today my mother happens to be close enough to hear me and she wanted me to stop. Needless to say I find it amusing when someone can sing Heaven or any of those songs and not have any problems with where some parts of the song come from. Oh well like I say the only way to differentiate a gospel song and a secular song is by listening to the words.
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: malthumb on September 22, 2008, 01:03:51 PM
.....like I say the only way to differentiate a gospel song and a secular song is by listening to the words.

I often wonder if I were to launch into a riff from Aeroplane (RHCP) if anybody would even notice.  I guarantee you NO ONE at my church has ever heard that song.  Super funky bass line, but the lyrics......  :o   :o   :o

....and yes, I do know that He would know what was on my mind and in my heart at the time, but the point is, sometimes people don't know when they should or should not be critical of what comes out of the choir stand.

Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: baggettcindy on June 17, 2014, 04:27:17 PM
Kirk Franklin "Stomp" = Parliament Funkadelic "One Nation Under A Groove"

Kirk Franklin "I've Been Looking For You" = Patrice Rushen "Haven't You Heard"

Bishop Paul Morton "Let It Rain" borrows a lot from Prince "Purple Rain"

I'm sure I'll think of a few more

Oh wow...I just listed to Stomp and I've been looking for you....by the secular artists on Youtube. I never heard of those groups/artists...it was very interesting to hear those songs and see how Kirk used those beats/music for his songs. I though he wrote those all on his own or with his song writers....just wow!!
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: IotaNet on June 21, 2014, 11:30:51 PM
the name of that song is "I will bless the lord at all times".

It kind of tripped be me out a little when i heard it too..lol (even though the staples singers where a christian group it's pretty bold just to jack the beat like that).
i will Bless The Lord At All Times is a P&W favorite at my church. One Sunday we played it and then the vocalists segued into singing "I'll Take You There" (we planned and rehearsed it this way) ... The congregation went wild!

Remember ... I'll take you there is basically a gospel tune anyway.  It worked out nicely.
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: malthumb on June 22, 2014, 08:06:59 AM
i will Bless The Lord At All Times is a P&W favorite at my church. One Sunday we played it and then the vocalists segued into singing "I'll Take You There" (we planned and rehearsed it this way) ... The congregation went wild!

Remember ... I'll take you there is basically a gospel tune anyway.  It worked out nicely.

We play it from time to time at my church with my older son on guitar and my younger son on bass.  They totally rip it apart.  I'll have to see if I can find a video somewhere.

****CORRECTION****  I WILL NOT be posting a video....found one....the singing is horrid.  My praise team would hang me from the ceiling fans by my thumbs if I put that one up. 
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: phbrown on June 30, 2014, 10:31:14 PM
my church used to sing this song at the end of service

Diana Ross - Reach Out And Touch (Somebody's Hand) (1970) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=629_vLbgv7g#ws)

just not with the verse
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: SavnBass on July 26, 2014, 09:57:42 PM
The drummer in my non-church christian band. Hands me a cd and says. "do you think you can learn the bass line to track one". I am thinking to myself ohhh great and am terrible at this. I may be asking my father to help me with this. I turn it on and I hear the bass like to the Staple singers- I'll take you there. I happen to have been playing this run for about 6 months and play it at least once a week. I dont remember the name of the song but it was gospel.

That must be "I will Bless The Lord at All Times" ... ;)
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: malthumb on July 27, 2014, 08:22:17 AM
That must be "I will Bless The Lord at All Times" ... ;)

We're doing this song this morning.
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: jlgadson on May 01, 2015, 10:04:58 PM
coming in late with my opinion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emK7fbUY2g0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emK7fbUY2g0)
i hear "Cooling Water"
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: SavnBass on May 10, 2015, 11:58:36 PM
I have been known to slip "Let's get it started " in the beginning of a service as folks are walking in... real soft ... 
Title: Re: The Family Stone in the church?
Post by: oldcleveakabig on May 27, 2015, 09:40:32 AM
I was going to ask another question here and saw this post.
The today gospel bass players are their worst enemies. Meaning, you bass players of today are just holding yourselves back by thinking
there is only gospel music to play like.
Before gospel shout runs and so on.
There was Jazz, Blues,Ragtime and other style,where the gospel music of today came from.As a bass player you should learn to play rock,blues,jazz,and all style music.
Then in church when the time come put it all together and make your own style or borrow from others style.
Learn all styles of music bass runs and style and you will grow as a bass player.
I always tell bass players to grow
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