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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: organman88 on September 06, 2008, 10:57:59 PM
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Today the M.O.M. asked me to come to church today and learn a song for church tommorow I get to church and find out the pastor asked some ppl to move the leslie behind the choir stand toward the exit door and the drums are directly behind me and the guitar amp is behind the drums and the digital piano monitor is moved to the other side of the church. The fire ppl came in and said the music pit was too small and is a fire hazard before but it hasn't been changed for years but is it right for the pastor to move the music equipment without asking the musicians first.... would i be wrong for confronting him.... an if he does'nt move it back would me taking a leave of absence would be over the top can someone answer these for me thx cuz im real peeded off >:(
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Yes, he or the MOM should have asked you first - but then again they had to obey the fire marshal.
Try to reach some sort of compromise....
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Yes, he or the MOM should have asked you first - but then again they had to obey the fire marshal.
Try to reach some sort of compromise....
Yeah the church also been complianing that the music is too loud i think that may be a reason but the sound engineers control that but anyway you right
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I'm dealing with a similar situation at my own church. For years, the organ has been on the opposite side of the sanctuary (away from the piano, drums and bass rig). After much lobbying, I convinced them to move it on the same side as all the other instruments. It didn't take long before someone complained to the board about it being fire hazard, and then I was asked to put the organ back.
It's very frustrating, but if the fire department came in and said it needed to be moved, the pastor can't say, "Okay, hold on while I call my musicians to see what they think." He's got to move it or the church faces an expensive fine.
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Today the M.O.M. asked me to come to church today and learn a song for church tommorow I get to church and find out the pastor asked some ppl to move the leslie behind the choir stand toward the exit door and the drums are directly behind me and the guitar amp is behind the drums and the digital piano monitor is moved to the other side of the church. The fire ppl came in and said the music pit was too small and is a fire hazard before but it hasn't been changed for years but is it right for the pastor to move the music equipment without asking the musicians first.... would i be wrong for confronting him.... an if he does'nt move it back would me taking a leave of absence would be over the top can someone answer these for me thx cuz im real peeded off >:(
you may not like me after this, but what makes you think that your that important that the you would require the Pastor to consult you about rearranging the church no matter what the reason is?
my answer to you questions would be
Q: Should you confront him?
A: you should stay in your place
Q: Would you taking a leave be over the top
A: if you confront the pastor you might be getting a leave, nevermind taking one.
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Today the M.O.M. asked me to come to church today and learn a song for church tommorow I get to church and find out the pastor asked some ppl to move the leslie behind the choir stand toward the exit door and the drums are directly behind me and the guitar amp is behind the drums and the digital piano monitor is moved to the other side of the church. The fire ppl came in and said the music pit was too small and is a fire hazard before but it hasn't been changed for years but is it right for the pastor to move the music equipment without asking the musicians first.... would i be wrong for confronting him.... an if he does'nt move it back would me taking a leave of absence would be over the top can someone answer these for me thx cuz im real peeded off >:(
Confronting? I wouldnt "confront" the Pastor, but I would tell him whats on your mind. But My advice to you is to have a conversation with the MOM, and let him take it to the Pastor.
I think that the Pastor should work alongside with the MOM so that you guys have a proper place to play. I dont think that the Pastor should move instruments without the Mom's help, Especially if he knows nothing about music.
As for a "leave of absence", Thats sounds unproffesional and childish. Is it that big of a deal?
you may not like me after this, but what makes you think that your that important that the you would require the Pastor to consult you about rearranging the church no matter what the reason is?
my answer to you questions would be
Q: Should you confront him?
A: you should stay in your place
Would all of the above apply to The Minister of Music too?
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Confronting? I wouldnt "confront" the Pastor, but I would tell him whats on your mind. But My advice to you is to have a conversation with the MOM, and let him take it to the Pastor.
I think that the Pastor should work alongside with the MOM so that you guys have a proper place to play. I dont think that the Pastor should move instruments without the Mom's help, Especially if he knows nothing about music.
As for a "leave of absence", Thats sounds unproffesional and childish. Is it that big of a deal?
Would all of the above apply to The Minister of Music too?
i wrote that leave of absence out of anger i thought about it a couple hours later it wasn't that big
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you may not like me after this, but what makes you think that your that important that the you would require the Pastor to consult you about rearranging the church no matter what the reason is?
my answer to you questions would be
Q: Should you confront him?
A: you should stay in your place
Q: Would you taking a leave be over the top
A: if you confront the pastor you might be getting a leave, nevermind taking one.
Im not talking about moving the church im talking about the organ he doesnt play it i do even though he is the pastor he cant just use the church money without meeting with the trustees can he?
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i wrote that leave of absence out of anger i thought about it a couple hours later it wasn't that big
I could feel that anger in your post. In situations like this you should definetley cool off before you talk to your pastor or Supervisor, or anybody like that. Once you say something, you cant take it back.
I Pray that you guys can work togather to find a solutuion.
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Would all of the above apply to The Minister of Music too?
it sure does, no musician is above authority
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Im not talking about moving the church im talking about the organ he doesnt play it i do even though he is the pastor he cant just use the church money without meeting with the trustees can he?
i know what your talking about and if the pastor decided to put the organ in the basement you can deal with it with class or dont play.
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A quick question:
Have you tried playing it with the set-up as is?
If so, what was wrong, in your opinion?
How did the congregation react/feel/like/dislike about the new set-up?
The problem with musicians, in my opinion, is that they feel it's all about them when it should be all about God and His people.
Music is there to enhance NOT distract.
Loud music = distraction (for some people)
Depending on the size of your church that some is relative.
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it sure does, no musician is above authority
Just because someone has authority, doesent mean that they should not let the person do thier job. They hired someone as a MOM, so let them be MOM. Some Pastors need to Stay in thier place.
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Just because someone has authority, doesent mean that they should not let the person do thier job. They hired someone as a MOM, so let them be MOM. Some Pastors need to Stay in thier place.
what does the location of a leslie have to do with anyone doing their job? thats like going to work for for company and telling that your office has to be in specific location for you to do your job effectively.
The Pastor is in HIS PLACE and whoever the MOM is under him to take care of the Vision the Pastor sets in place. as the original author of this thread posted the fire dept had an issue with the setup so the pastor subjected himself and the church to the authority of the fire dept.
this is just a case of a musician acting like a baby because the church had the audacity to make changes and not consult him first
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what does the location of a leslie have to do with anyone doing their job? thats like going to work for for company and telling that your office has to be in specific location for you to do your job effectively.
The Pastor is in HIS PLACE and whoever the MOM is under him to take care of the Vision the Pastor sets in place. as the original author of this thread posted the fire dept had an issue with the setup so the pastor subjected himself and the church to the authority of the fire dept.
this is just a case of a musician acting like a baby because the church had the audacity to make changes and not consult him first
I concur.
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Wow........i see what he's sayin. I've played @ his church about 1,000,000 times. I dont think hes mad about it being moved..hes tight because of WHERE they moved it. Form what he said it makes noooooooooooooo sense...He's going to have people between him and the leslie, on top of the drums and the guitar player.
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Yo dude...........thats whack kid........I see the fire marshall stuff.thats law. Why would they move the leslie by the door??? And ya sound engineers do need to be on point..only thing i can say is meet with Pastor and try to get everything mic'd....so then the members cant complain about it being to loud to you.....everything will fall on the engineers.
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what does the location of a leslie have to do with anyone doing their job? thats like going to work for for company and telling that your office has to be in specific location for you to do your job effectively.
The Pastor is in HIS PLACE and whoever the MOM is under him to take care of the Vision the Pastor sets in place. as the original author of this thread posted the fire dept had an issue with the setup so the pastor subjected himself and the church to the authority of the fire dept.
this is just a case of a musician acting like a baby because the church had the audacity to make changes and not consult him first
TOTALLY off base.....
1) I KNOW about the fire thing....that has nothing to do with what he stated..how would you like if if ya leslie was 25 feet away with no mic and people standing and running around it...blocking the sound the whole service?????
2) Hes the only keyboardist @ the church.what happens if they wanna go from heavy church to striaght worship...is he gonna run across the pulpit or altar (which are the only ways really to switch from piano to organ since the move)
3) if he wants to do it right.he goes to the trustee board....the pastor does not run that particular church
4) He is a valuable asset to the ministry.........this church thrives and or suffers around musicians....im not saying that is right or wrong im just saying its a fact. And by us living inn such a small, corny city they not gonna really be able to find someone to fill his spot to an adequate degree
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TOTALLY off base.....
1) I KNOW about the fire thing....that has nothing to do with what he stated..how would you like if if ya leslie was 25 feet away with no mic and people standing and running around it...blocking the sound the whole service?????
2) Hes the only keyboardist @ the church.what happens if they wanna go from heavy church to striaght worship...is he gonna run across the pulpit or altar (which are the only ways really to switch from piano to organ since the move)
3) if he wants to do it right.he goes to the trustee board....the pastor does not run that particular church
4) He is a valuable asset to the ministry.........this church thrives and or suffers around musicians....im not saying that is right or wrong im just saying its a fact. And by us living inn such a small, corny city they not gonna really be able to find someone to fill his spot to an adequate degree
a. If there's more to the story, then the OP should've provided said information.
b. If he understands the protocol, then he should follow it.
c. Getting mad will NOT solve anything (that's to the OP).
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a. If there's more to the story, then the OP should've provided said information.
b. If he understands the protocol, then he should follow it.
c. Getting mad will NOT solve anything (that's to the OP).
Agreed....he can still talk to the leaders of the church though....just because he wants to talk to them doesnt mean hes gotta come off mad
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Agreed....he can still talk to the leaders of the church though....just because he wants to talk to them doesnt mean hes gotta come off mad
Tis all I'm sayin', mane. ;)
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oh my bad lol
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2) Hes the only keyboardist @ the church.what happens if they wanna go from heavy church to striaght worship...is he gonna run across the pulpit or altar (which are the only ways really to switch from piano to organ since the move)
I'm getting a visual. I don't mean to laugh, but that is pretty funny!! :D :D :D
That situation sucks, but like everyone said. There is always a professional way for dude to handle it.
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Agreed....he can still talk to the leaders of the church though....just because he wants to talk to them doesnt mean hes gotta come off mad
Correct but he wanted confront the pastor and threaten to leave
to answer your other questions
not everyone has the luxury of playing in the best situations but they make the best of it or the go somewhere else
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Correct but he wanted confront the pastor and threaten to leave
to answer your other questions
not everyone has the luxury of playing in the best situations but they make the best of it or the go somewhere else
Hey man I think you coming off wrong with your comments I never said I was going to do that i made suggestions thats all SUGGESTIONS I did say i was peeded off BUT i never said i wanted to or felt like doing that
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Hey man I think you coming off wrong with your comments I never said I was going to do that i made suggestions thats all SUGGESTIONS I did say i was peeded off BUT i never said i wanted to or felt like doing that
Im sorry you feel that way, maybe from now on you should keep your emotions in check.
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Im sorry you feel that way, maybe from now on you should keep your emotions in check.
WOW!
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A quick question:
Have you tried playing it with the set-up as is?
If so, what was wrong, in your opinion?
How did the congregation react/feel/like/dislike about the new set-up?
The problem with musicians, in my opinion, is that they feel it's all about them when it should be all about God and His people.
Music is there to enhance NOT distract.
Loud music = distraction (for some people)
Depending on the size of your church that some is relative.
1.yes i played with it like that the problem is its behind the drums and the guitar amp i cant hear it.
2.There isn't that big of a problem from what i saw but the most important person cant hear it.
3.First of all the bible says things need to be done decent and in order the musicians jobs is to minister with his/her craft thru song if your not comfortable in any way how can you minister has nothing to do with musicians thinking of themselves
4.Loud music = distraction because of an unbalance of the sections (choir and the music)because of improper placement and/or lack of equipment