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Gospel Instruments => General Music Hangout => Topic started by: B3Wannabe on September 28, 2008, 08:09:28 PM
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This is one that got dropped down on me over the weekend, causing my runs to sky-rocket. It's nothing that new, but I'm just now understanding how sweet it is.
Ok. Here is the secret: use the major scale that begins a whole step below the key you're in. Check out the example using the key of F.
Key: F
F / Eb-G-Bb-D-F
RUN: Ab, Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab - "Ab Lydian"
A / G-B-Db-F
RUN: A, Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, C - "Bb Mixolydian" with an extension to C
Bb / Ab-C-D-F
RUN: C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, C, D, Eb, F, Eb, D, C, Bb, Ab - "C Aeolian" with a decending F Dorian
You can also switch to the keys of Bb or Eb and use chords from each.
B / Ab-B-D-F
RUN (Decending): Bb, Ab, G, F, Eb, D, C, Bb, Ab - "Bb Mixolydian" extension to Ab
F-G / Ab-C-E-G
You can change the "E" to "Eb" if you want.
You can even run the two scales on top of each other. Try playing the Eb scale starting from Ab, while you play a normal F scale in the bass. Sweet!
I do some things extra, like running the scale up and down or throwing in chromatics, every now and then, but it all works around that Eb scale. To do the runs fast, your thumb has always land on C or F. If it touches any of the other keys, your speed will be limited.
I'll post a clip later. I have a working video camera now. :)
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Great stuff, bro. Can't wait to hop on my board and try it out. Thanks for sharing.
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WoW, I gots to try this at church :o :o :o!! One of my main desires is to be able to do my funs faster and to be able to learn new ones. THANKS B3, you're my HERO!! ;D
Remain blessed
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Hey man, i hate to nit-pick and all that but i totally don't understand. Do you mean that you taka chord, say F major, and play an E major scale over that (a half step down from the key you are in)?
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Hey man, i hate to nit-pick and all that but i totally don't understand. Do you mean that you taka chord, say F major, and play an E major scale over that (a half step down from the key you are in)?
He actually said a whole step from the key you're in.
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He actually said a whole step from the key you're in.
Right. So it'd be an Eb major scale.
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Right. So it'd be an Eb major scale.
In your second scale (A/G-B-Db-F), you have a Db in it. Why?
Also, are these chords, then the runs spelled out?
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The Db is just part of the chord. It's a common preacher chord.
I typed the run under the chord. I looked confusing to me, when it was on the same line.
In the run for that particular chord, I started it out of key with an A.
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I hate reading these posts at work, I gotta comment so I can find it when I get home, lol.
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The Db is just part of the chord. It's a common preacher chord.
I typed the run under the chord. I looked confusing to me, when it was on the same line.
In the run for that particular chord, I started it out of key with an A.
Ok, I don't know about anyone else, but I completely don't get it.
If you're doing the run starting a whole step from the KEY you're in, then wouldn't all of the runs, since you're in the KEY of F, be in Eb?
Now, if you're using your runs a whole step below the particular CHORD you're using (let's go back to the A/G-B-Db-F chord), then are you saying that one could use some sort of run using the G major scale?
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Ok, I don't know about anyone else, but I completely don't get it.
If you're doing the run starting a whole step from the KEY you're in, then wouldn't all of the runs, since you're in the KEY of F, be in Eb?
Now, if you're using your runs a whole step below the particular CHORD you're using (let's go back to the A/G-B-Db-F chord), then are you saying that one could use some sort of run using the G major scale?
No. It's still Eb. That A is a passing tone. I think that's what it's called. The actual scale starts on Bb (Mixolydian).....for that particular chord.
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No. It's still Eb. That A is a passing tone. I think that's what it's called. The actual scale starts on Bb (Mixolydian).....for that particular chord.
Ok, I think I get it now. Thanks.
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Here is a video I was just looking at from Kevin Conley. It's about the same as what I was describing. Instead of using the Dorian scale. He uses Ionian scales built off the the relative Major and 4 degree of the bass note.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB30HPwRo7I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB30HPwRo7I)
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I can't see the video, so maybe the question was answered...
Anyway I understand your original post to an extent, using the Eb scale in different modes, being in the key of F, but my question is...What theory are you using to select what mode you are using for each chord (ie, mixolydian, aeolian, dorian descending, etc.)? or Did you use whatever mode/run sounds good for the chord?
I'm little confused on this, I'm no expert on modes... ?/?
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Here is a video I was just looking at from Kevin Conley. It's about the same as what I was describing. Instead of using the Dorian scale. He uses Ionian scales built off the the relative Major and 4 degree of the bass note.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB30HPwRo7I[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB30HPwRo7I[/url])
Kevin Conley is RIDICUFIED!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
If that's what a beginner is spoda do then that makes me a pre-schooler...LOL *just kidding* I love this clip. Thanks again for the chords B3, I actually used them this week when I finally got the hank of em. ;)
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Kevin Conley is RIDICUFIED!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
If that's what a beginner is spoda do then that makes me a pre-schooler...LOL *just kidding* I love this clip. Thanks again for the chords B3, I actually used them this week when I finally got the hank of em. ;)
Cosign!!!
Yeah i agree. I have his DVD and its is so simple and very applicable. I loved it. Plus he has a distinct style i dig a lot.
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I can't see the video, so maybe the question was answered...
Anyway I understand your original post to an extent, using the Eb scale in different modes, being in the key of F, but my question is...What theory are you using to select what mode you are using for each chord (ie, mixolydian, aeolian, dorian descending, etc.)? or Did you use whatever mode/run sounds good for the chord?
I'm little confused on this, I'm no expert on modes... ?/?
The mode you use doesn't really matter, but in the examples, I started the scale either a half or whole step from the bass note. Using that, an A bass note would yield a G Phrygian, Ab Lydian, or Bb Mixolydian. I could even start on B (outside of the Eb Major scale) and lead into a C Aeolian.
This lead me to try using other Eb scales over an F bass, like I pointed out in the other post. http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,60924.0.html (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,60924.0.html)
I'm trying out other intervals now, like the Kevin Conley example, using 3rds, 4ths, and 5ths based intervals. I do this while going through different types of scales. (modes, blues, and arpeggios) I'm not that good with the arpeggios. I can do linear scales better.
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that's very cool B3,I think Jimmy Smith and the jazz cats do that where the bass line is in F,chord is Eb 7 or 9 and running in Ab (3 keys)? am i getting this right? So,what 4 -5 chord progression would you use from the F ? pretty awesome stuff,you and Diverse have some natural teaching talent
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Thanks. People say that I'm a good teacher. I actually thought about becoming one when I was younger.
A friend talked me out of it, and I went into construction instead.