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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: DiligentHands on October 17, 2008, 12:19:49 AM
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I play alone sometimes with our singers and I have to use the preset beats in my Roland EXR-5s.
I am looking to upgrade, what are good suggestions for keyboards to travel with. I prefer a 61 key , will get a 76 key if needed.
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since you travel a lot, I'd suggest a mo6. I think it has great sounds for gospel music and its light weighht. I'd also consider a pre owned roland xp-80 or 50.
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Yeah U13 is right, the MO6 is a great lightweight board and very portable.
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If you want the BEST board...why not go with the Motif XS6?
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If you want the BEST board...why not go with the Motif XS6?
It all depends on what he will be using it for. If you are going to use it as a studio, and a sampler and all that extra stuff, then go for the XS, but if you just plan on playing, then there isnt a need to spend twice as much for stuff you might not ever use. What is your budget?
And i really hate the screen on the XS, its very hard to scroll through sounds.
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It all depends on what he will be using it for. If you are going to use it as a studio, and a sampler and all that extra stuff, then go for the XS, but if you just plan on playing, then there isnt a need to spend twice as much for stuff you might not ever use. What is your budget?
And i really hate the screen on the XS, its very hard to scroll through sounds.
Yes, I agree it does depend on what he'll be using it for.
But he DID say he plays alone and uses the preset beats on his Roland.
That makes me think he might want to take advantage of the XS and it's greater Polyphony and create his own stuff.
I agree on the XS screen. The screen on the Roland G however..... :o
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oh yeah man i feelc you on the G we just got a fantom g8 at church! That Screen is huge but once you get used to it...it seems little...??? lol
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I would even nominate the MM6, over the MO6.
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I would even nominate the MM6, over the MO6.
I wouldnt. It doesent even have sliders, which is very important for organ sounds and layering, which are essential to the gospel musician
Yes, I agree it does depend on what he'll be using it for.
But he DID say he plays alone and uses the preset beats on his Roland.
That makes me think he might want to take advantage of the XS and it's greater Polyphony and create his own stuff.
I agree on the XS screen. The screen on the Roland G however..... :o
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I wouldnt. It doesent even have sliders, which is very important for organ sounds and layering, which are essential to the gospel musician
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Disagreed.
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Disagreed.
Maybe he shouldn't have used the word 'essential'.
Important is probably a better word. I had an MO8 and layering was very helpful during live services (using the sliders to raise and lower strings/piano to add atmosphere, etc.)
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I wouldnt. It doesent even have sliders, which is very important for organ sounds and layering, which are essential to the gospel musician
This is why i LOATHE the Fantom in church and, given the choice, i would not play it. The Fantom, to me, is a good controller board, but i would not use it as my primary board unless i had no choice.
Funny enough the ES8 we had had been sitting in church and no one knew (or bothered to find out) how to layer and split until i came along.
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Ok. I'll take back my MM6 nomination. I don't like Roland boards, so when he said "preset beats", I assumed it was a crappy board. Even though I STILL think Roland is crappy, maybe the MO would be better or the XS. It depends on what he wasn't to do.
I don't need a workstation, so the MM6 is good enough for me.
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Disagreed.
What else is new?
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Disagreed.
What else is new?
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What else is new?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm just sayin....
I could say that the sky is blue, and He will post a picture of a little man saying 'NO'!
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I'm just sayin....
I could say that the sky is blue, and He will post a picture of a little man saying 'NO'!
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I'm just sayin....
I could say that the sky is blue, and He will post a picture of a little man saying 'NO'!
LOL!!!!! :D :D
That is true.
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I'm just sayin....
I could say that the sky is blue, and He will post a picture of a little man saying 'NO'!
:D
Ok, I'm actually laughing out loud now. :D
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I wouldnt. It doesent even have sliders, which is very important for organ sounds and layering, which are essential to the gospel musician
Not true at all.....a "real" (as some people would put it) gospel musician does not play keyboard organ......ever (NOTE: Not saying that i havent seen it done, but its not as popular as some people make it sound). You should know how to play a whole service on a keyboard. Churchy, worshippy, urban, it all. Layering yes, as you can get a FAT sound if you know what you doin, but organ??? Thats a no-no lol
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Not true at all.....a "real" (as some people would put it) gospel musician does not play keyboard organ......ever (NOTE: Not saying that i havent seen it done, but its not as popular as some people make it sound). You should know how to play a whole service on a keyboard. Churchy, worshippy, urban, it all. Layering yes, as you can get a FAT sound if you know what you doin, but organ??? Thats a no-no lol
Yo, my mother loves the Organ, so whenever we travelled to a church without an Organ and she was going to sing she'd ask me to use the organ voice on my MO8.
I'd always tell her "Ma. It's NOT THE SAME!" >:(
There are exceptions though. I've heard the KB3 mode on the Kurzweil PC3 and it's pretty awesome. The Nord Electro 2 can also sound pretty sweet. If you have one of those and pair it with Midi Base Pedals and an Expression Pedal most people wouldn't know the difference.
That's if you're travelling to another church that does NOT have an Organ though. We have an A100 and I wouldn't DARE play an Organ voice on a keyboard with an A100 sitting there. :-\
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Not true at all.....a "real" (as some people would put it) gospel musician does not play keyboard organ......ever (NOTE: Not saying that i havent seen it done, but its not as popular as some people make it sound). You should know how to play a whole service on a keyboard. Churchy, worshippy, urban, it all. Layering yes, as you can get a FAT sound if you know what you doin, but organ??? Thats a no-no lol
Thank you. Even though that wasn't my reason for disagreeing.
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I'm just sayin....
I could say that the sky is blue, and He will post a picture of a little man saying 'NO'!
For the kicks and giggles of it all:
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p316/sjonathan02/asimpleno.gif?t=1224697086)
The sky IS blue; therefore, there'd be no reason for me to disagree.
However, since your use of logic in many a thread is as rare as the Detroit Lions winning the Super Bowl, we wind up on opposite sides of the fence. :-\
Back to topic; Your use of the word, 'essential' was unwarranted, unfounded and unnecessary putting it right up there with your opinion.
It ends, here.
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Not true at all.....a "real" (as some people would put it) gospel musician does not play keyboard organ......ever (NOTE: Not saying that i havent seen it done, but its not as popular as some people make it sound). You should know how to play a whole service on a keyboard. Churchy, worshippy, urban, it all. Layering yes, as you can get a FAT sound if you know what you doin, but organ??? Thats a no-no lol
Thats your opinion, I respect it, but disagree. If you are in a situation where there is no organ, I see nothing wrong with playing organ on a keyboard. Most people wont know the difference or even care, unless they are a musician. A good musician can make anything sound good.
Yo, my mother loves the Organ, so whenever we travelled to a church without an Organ and she was going to sing she'd ask me to use the organ voice on my MO8.
Thats my point, most people dont really care if its a real organ or not. Of course I'd prefer to use a hammond, but When I had to choose between playing pipe organ and using the Motif ES organ, I chose the Motif, and the people loved it.
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**Instigating trouble**
U-13, in case you missed it, Sjon dissed you big time in his post above. Man i can't let nobody talk about my momma that way. :-\
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**Instigating trouble**
U-13, in case you missed it, Sjon dissed you big time in his post above. Man i can't let nobody talk about my momma that way. :-\
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You have learned well. :'(
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I know what you mean, U13. I don't have sliders on either of my boards, but when I went to a guest church and had a chance to tinker with the sliders on their board...it was like heaven. I finally got a chance to see how these cats be switching from a Rhodes sound to that nasty synth within seconds of a song.
Ya boy GOTS to get one.
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I know what you mean, U13. I don't have sliders on either of my boards, but when I went to a guest church and had a chance to tinker with the sliders on their board...it was like heaven. I finally got a chance to see how these cats be switching from a Rhodes sound to that nasty synth within seconds of a song.
Ya boy GOTS to get one.
Yeah, the sliders make it easy to have horns and piano in the right hand, and bass in the left, its a lot easier when you can do it on the fly
**Instigating trouble**
U-13, in case you missed it, Sjon dissed you big time in his post above. Man i can't let nobody talk about my momma that way. :-\
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I'd rather not stoop down to insult my brother in Christ.
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Not true at all.....a "real" (as some people would put it) gospel musician does not play keyboard organ......ever (NOTE: Not saying that i havent seen it done, but its not as popular as some people make it sound). You should know how to play a whole service on a keyboard. Churchy, worshippy, urban, it all. Layering yes, as you can get a FAT sound if you know what you doin, but organ??? Thats a no-no lol
I have seen it done once but there was a whole band supporting the keyboard player. If the keyboard player is by themselves, it sounds cheesy. ( Im not saying it cant be done.)
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I have seen it done once but there was a whole band supporting the keyboard player. If the keyboard player is by themselves, it sounds cheesy. ( Im not saying it cant be done.)
When rickey smiley was doing comicvieiw, his band was using the motif es, and the organ sounded very real when mixed with the other instruments
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When rickey smiley was doing comicvieiw, his band was using the motif es, and the organ sounded very real when mixed with the other instruments
I play the Organ primarily. So when I hear someone on a keyboard playing an Organ voice It's like...What in God's name are you doing? :-\
But then again a Sax player would probably say the same thing if the guy on the keyboard played a Sax voice. Because he knows the sound of the instrument.
BUT.
MOST people can't really tell and don't really CARE. My wife and I visited a church on Friday and we were in the Balcony. We couldn't see the musicians. They started playing and my wife looked at me and said "They have an Organ". I said "No they don't". :D
It was a Motif XS8 (and the Organ voice was believable).
So as long as you're not playing for the musicians but the congregation, you can definitely get away with it...I'd rather not do it, but you can get away with it.
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I Want a MO6
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I play the Organ primarily. So when I hear someone on a keyboard playing an Organ voice It's like...What in God's name are you doing? :-\
But then again a Sax player would probably say the same thing if the guy on the keyboard played a Sax voice. Because he knows the sound of the instrument.
BUT.
MOST people can't really tell and don't really CARE. My wife and I visited a church on Friday and we were in the Balcony. We couldn't see the musicians. They started playing and my wife looked at me and said "They have an Organ". I said "No they don't". :D
It was a Motif XS8 (and the Organ voice was believable).
So as long as you're not playing for the musicians but the congregation, you can definitely get away with it...I'd rather not do it, but you can get away with it.
I'd rather not do it either, It really limits you you, but when a B3 isnt practical, i'd rather play motif organ, than piano.
Here is a video I made a while back, using the organ sounds on the ES8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CxSrjcvdb8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CxSrjcvdb8)
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That Does Sound Like An Organ
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Musicians are a finicky bunch. I remember when i wasn't playing and the other dude was using the guitar patch on our Motif. I kept thinking to myself "Dude, stop. It just sounds so corny." Turns out the congregation thought it was a real guitar playing.
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I'd rather not do it either, It really limits you you, but when a B3 isnt practical, i'd rather play motif organ, than piano.
Here is a video I made a while back, using the organ sounds on the ES8....
Hey, you play good. You also played the organ sound on weighted keys? Doesn't that hurt your fingers. :D
Yeah I don't care about a real B3. As long as the keyboards sound similar or like a B3 is fine with people.
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IDK......maybe its just me..but im kinda weird lol. Where I come from you HAVE to learn how to be effective no matter what. If you go to a small baptist church with an upright...you better bring ya 'A' game. Thats what i mean when i say keyboard organ is not as serious as some make it sound. I cant really think of a time when i would need it. EVER. Not at a concert (organ is 99% there), 2nd board (strings, synth, lead, acoustic guitar), or main board with no bass player.
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Hey, you play good. You also played the organ sound on weighted keys? Doesn't that hurt your fingers. :D
Thanks.
Nope, they have a nice balance for both piano and synth/organ styles. I'd rather use that for organ than a non weighted motif
IDK......maybe its just me..but im kinda weird lol. Where I come from you HAVE to learn how to be effective no matter what. If you go to a small baptist church with an upright...you better bring ya 'A' game. Thats what i mean when i say keyboard organ is not as serious as some make it sound. I cant really think of a time when i would need it. EVER. Not at a concert (organ is 99% there), 2nd board (strings, synth, lead, acoustic guitar), or main board with no bass player.
The Bigger churches usually have it like that. But we dont always play in church. Sometimes we have to play outdoors, or in a fellowship hall, or a prison etc, and an organ is out of the question.
I know what you mean about them old uprights, you gotta play it even if its out of tune by 2 or 3 whole steps :D
But you are correct, our job is to make do, with whatever we have
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Thanks.
Nope, they have a nice balance for both piano and synth/organ styles. I'd rather use that for organ than a non weighted motif
I see.
Wait? What? WTHeck? Really? Why?
Non-weighted keys make playing organ easier,
plus real organs have waterfall keybeds,
meaning they weight nothing at all.
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I see the thread has been hijacked :D
SO let me drop my unimportant opinion:
A board is a quick utility product, and based on it's capabilities along with the user's abilities, the board can imitate the original instrument 100%...
Of course sometimes (if not most of times, imho) the board seems to sound better than the original instrument (again, that depends on the conditions under which the board is used, by whom & which board it is).
I understand what everyone else above has said about whether it's appropriate to use keyboards or not...
I think it's just a question of orthodoxy, but as far as I'm concerned, the keyboard is the best musical invention/ imitator..
anyday, given a choice of learning 1 instrument, I would choose a keyboard because of all the flexibility.
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Have you ever played the Hammond xk-1? i was thinking about getting one for traveling b/c keyboard organ sounds are horrible.
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Have you ever played the Hammond xk-1? i was thinking about getting one for traveling b/c keyboard organ sounds are horrible.
I have never played one, but if you want it get it.
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anyday, given a choice of learning 1 instrument, I would choose a keyboard because of all the flexibility.
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And, there it is. ;)
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Have you ever played the Hammond xk-1? i was thinking about getting one for traveling b/c keyboard organ sounds are horrible.
I've played the XK3, and I heard that they sound simular
I was considering getting it. I still havent made up my mind yet between the MO8, the XK1 or the XK3c.
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I see the thread has been hijacked :D
SO let me drop my unimportant opinion:
A board is a quick utility product, and based on it's capabilities along with the user's abilities, the board can imitate the original instrument 100%...
Of course sometimes (if not most of times, imho) the board seems to sound better than the original instrument (again, that depends on the conditions under which the board is used, by whom & which board it is).
I understand what everyone else above has said about whether it's appropriate to use keyboards or not...
I think it's just a question of orthodoxy, but as far as I'm concerned, the keyboard is the best musical invention/ imitator..
anyday, given a choice of learning 1 instrument, I would choose a keyboard because of all the flexibility.
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Oh boy. :D
Bro, if you listen to a Saxophone, being played by a true sax player, I don't care WHO you put on WHAT board, it won't sound as good.
If you listen to a Violin, being played by a true violinist, I don't care WHO you put on WHAT board, it won't sound as good.
How can a digital sample of an instrument sound better than the actual instrument?
That's like saying the Nord Electro 2/Roland VK-8/Korg CX3/whatever sound BETTER than a good old B3.
How can it sound better than the real thing? The thing it's emulating? ?/?
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Oh boy. :D
Bro, if you listen to a Saxophone, being played by a true sax player, I don't care WHO you put on WHAT board, it won't sound as good.
If you listen to a Violin, being played by a true violinist, I don't care WHO you put on WHAT board, it won't sound as good.
How can a digital sample of an instrument sound better than the actual instrument?
That's like saying the Nord Electro 2/Roland VK-8/Korg CX3/whatever sound BETTER than a good old B3.
How can it sound better than the real thing? The thing it's emulating? ?/?
completely agree.
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A B3 emulates a pipe organ--which is does a very bad job doing, but by your definition a pipe organ should sound better.
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I'll submit that as time passes, what we find pleasurable changes; so, in fact, a keyboard might just sound better, in some cases. ;)
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Oh boy. :D
Bro, if you listen to a Saxophone, being played by a true sax player, I don't care WHO you put on WHAT board, it won't sound as good.
If you listen to a Violin, being played by a true violinist, I don't care WHO you put on WHAT board, it won't sound as good.
How can a digital sample of an instrument sound better than the actual instrument?
That's like saying the Nord Electro 2/Roland VK-8/Korg CX3/whatever sound BETTER than a good old B3.
How can it sound better than the real thing? The thing it's emulating? ?/?
Agreed.
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A B3 emulates a pipe organ--which is does a very bad job doing, but by your definition a pipe organ should sound better.
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I'll submit that as time passes, what we find pleasurable changes; so, in fact, a keyboard might just sound better, in some cases. ;)
There's a difference between Digital Keyboard Samples that are intended to sound EXACTLY like their real life counterparts, and a B3 which was never intended to sound exactly like a Pipe Organ, but rather serve as a less expensive alternative (or the Rhodes which is an alternative to the Piano).
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There's a difference between Digital Keyboard Samples that are intended to sound EXACTLY like their real life counterparts, and a B3 which was never intended to sound exactly like a Pipe Organ, but rather serve as a less expensive alternative (or the Rhodes which is an alternative to the Piano).
While the second part of that sentence is true, the first part is not.
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While the second part of that sentence is true, the first part is not.
True. Laurens Hammond wanted the Hammond to replace the pipe organs in churches as well as large Cathedrals. He never intended or liked for his organ to be used in Jazz, rock, and soul music, or for it to be used with a leslie.
But honestly, without those mixture stops, it could never come close to replacing a pipe organ.
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True. Laurens Hammond wanted the Hammond to replace the pipe organs in churches as well as large Cathedrals. He never intended or liked for his organ to be used in Jazz, rock, and soul music, or for it to be used with a leslie.
But honestly, without those mixture stops, it could never come close to replacing a pipe organ.
The drawbars were part of the original design of the B3.
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While the second part of that sentence is true, the first part is not.
True. Laurens Hammond wanted the Hammond to replace the pipe organs in churches as well as large Cathedrals.
I already said that the Hammond was intended to replace Pipe Organs. It was intended as an alternative...meaning it was in direct competition with Pipe Organs. I agree it was meant to replace them.
But he would be a fool to think that the accoustics of his Organ would sound EXACTLY like the accoustics of a Pipe Organ.
We could argue this all day though. :P
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So as long as you're not playing for the musicians but the congregation, you can definitely get away with it...I'd rather not do it, but you can get away with it.
...Well...technically we're playing for neither. ;)
But you're sooooo right. Half of the time the congregation seems to think nothing of the stuff we worry about.
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...Well...technically we're playing for neither. ;)
You KNOW what I mean. :P
But you're sooooo right. Half of the time the congregation seems to think nothing of the stuff we worry about.
True.
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Oh boy. :D
Bro, if you listen to a Saxophone, being played by a true sax player, I don't care WHO you put on WHAT board, it won't sound as good.
If you listen to a Violin, being played by a true violinist, I don't care WHO you put on WHAT board, it won't sound as good.
How can a digital sample of an instrument sound better than the actual instrument?[/u]
That's like saying the Nord Electro 2/Roland VK-8/Korg CX3/whatever sound BETTER than a good old B3.
How can it sound better than the real thing? The thing it's emulating? ?/?
I dont think that a digital instrument can sound better but I do think that most human ears, even musicians, cannot tell the difference. If a test were conducted and people had to depend on their ear only to recognize a real b3 from the diversi, Nord, or xk series, I think many would not be able to tell the difference.
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I dont think that a digital instrument can sound better but I do think that most human ears, even musicians, cannot tell the difference. If a test were conducted and people had to depend on their ear only to recognize a real b3 from the diversi, Nord, or xk series, I think many would not be able to tell the difference.
If you're an Organist who spends hours a week on a B3, you'd probably be able to tell.
...And yes, I completely agree that MOST people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Some boards have very realistic sounds.
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Funny, I was sitting in a church that I often visit. and they started singing a song, and I thought to myself, that the piano patch shure does sound REAL!! Then I look over and saw the Pastor playing the Grand Piano..... Just thought I'd share that
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Funny, I was sitting in a church that I often visit. and they started singing a song, and I thought to myself, that the piano patch shure does sound REAL!! Then I look over and saw the Pastor playing the Grand Piano..... Just thought I'd share that
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That's old school! :D
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If you're an Organist who spends hours a week on a B3, you'd probably be able to tell.
...And yes, I completely agree that MOST people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Some boards have very realistic sounds.
How many people in a congregation could tell this isn't a Hammond:
http://www.gospelmusicians.com/media/2616/Organ_Practice_on_Nord_Electro/ (http://www.gospelmusicians.com/media/2616/Organ_Practice_on_Nord_Electro/)
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^^^ Yea. That makes me upset that I sold mine.
I may get another one though.
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How many people in a congregation could tell this isn't a Hammond:
[url]http://www.gospelmusicians.com/media/2616/Organ_Practice_on_Nord_Electro/[/url] ([url]http://www.gospelmusicians.com/media/2616/Organ_Practice_on_Nord_Electro/[/url])
As long as its used with a leslie, musicians wouldnt even know the difference. Most
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^^^ Yea. That makes me upset that I sold mine.
I may get another one though.
Question: Could you midi out the upper manual and have a dual manual setup?
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Yea. But the electro only supports 2 manuals, so you'd have to sacrifice bass pedals. The XK3 supports all 3...but then it doesn't have piano sounds, and is about 3x heavier.
The electro is only 11lbs!
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Yea. But the electro only supports 2 manuals, so you'd have to sacrifice bass pedals. The XK3 supports all 3...but then it doesn't have piano sounds, and is about 3x heavier.
The electro is only 11lbs!
Doesent the XK1 have a piano sound? I wouldnt expect it to be great, but its better than nothing
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Doesent the XK1 have a piano sound? I wouldnt expect it to be great, but its better than nothing
I played on the XK1 two days ago (guitar center).
Bro, just act like that piano sound isn't even there. For real. UNUSABLE. :-X
The stock piano on the Nord isn't much better, but there are Grand Pianos available for download at Nord's website. I've heard they're a little better.
I was playing the Rhodes and Clav almost as much as the Organ. Right out of the box the Rhodes on the Nord is as good as you'll find on many high-level synths, and the Clav is head and shoulders ABOVE them!!!
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The Electro piano is actually not that bad. It also has those eq knobs that you referred to before.
You can't really get too much of an impression of the sound on a 61-key keyboard.
I heard that the download piano is better too.
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I played on the XK1 two days ago (guitar center).
Bro, just act like that piano sound isn't even there. For real. UNUSABLE. :-X
The stock piano on the Nord isn't much better, but there are Grand Pianos available for download at Nord's website. I've heard they're a little better.
I was playing the Rhodes and Clav almost as much as the Organ. Right out of the box the Rhodes on the Nord is as good as you'll find on many high-level synths, and the Clav is head and shoulders ABOVE them!!!
I just wish they had real drawbars and the cabinet was wood; not red plastic. And why is the leslie switch in the wrong place?
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^^^ It's wood on the sides.
Anyway, the case has nothing to do with the sound. :P
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I just wish they had real drawbars and the cabinet was wood; not red plastic. And why is the leslie switch in the wrong place?
Don't worry about the leslie switch...you can use a sustain pedal to change leslie speeds. ;)
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^^^ It's wood on the sides.
Anyway, the case has nothing to do with the sound. :P
Yes it does. Why do you think B3s sound beter than C3s and a100s? :D
Seriousely, I just like that classic look of the wood veneer. Thats a deal breaker if I'm gonna spend that kinda money. But I do like the versatility if the nord. I guess you cant have it all....
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Don't worry about the leslie switch...you can use a sustain pedal to change leslie speeds. ;)
Then what will I do with my left hand? :D