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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: mdandrews on November 02, 2008, 01:21:59 AM
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IN YOUR OPINION, WHO HAS THE BEST INSTUCTIONAL DVD OUT THERE? AND WHY DO YOU SAY THAT.
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Depends on your skill level, and the style you wanna learn. Tell us info about your playing, and we can help you better. :)
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On every level
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I would say Jamel's DVDs dont look to bad ( i havnt purchased one yet) but from the trailers and clips, it makes u wanna go get them!!
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Dude, first of all decide what style you wanna learn and then find a DVD for that style. There is absolutely no DVD out there that i can say is "the best". I learn from every one that i have.
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Tru...
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Since your profile says you are a beginner, I would suggest Either Sebastian Wheat's Organ essentials pt 3 or Jammals new one for beginers called "play by ear". I dont have that one, but I think everybody here who has it, likes it. But I do have sebastian's, and though its done on organ, it has so much great info, not so much crazy and phat chords, but it has the basic things you need to know.
If you already know theory, you can try Urban Worship extreme. That has some very nice stuff, but the theory explanations are not very good.
I mostlty buy orga DVDs, so if you want more info on those, just ask
http://store.gospelmusicians.com/product.php?productid=16200&cat=302&page=1 (http://store.gospelmusicians.com/product.php?productid=16200&cat=302&page=1)
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Depends on your skill level, and the style you wanna learn. Tell us info about your playing, and we can help you better. :)
On every level
You're going to have to specify.
If you're a beginner, then as under13 said Both Urban Worships are nice.
If you're a BEGINNER beginner, I'd go with Gospel Keys 202. When I FIRST started that helped me.
Intermediate: Go for Wheatworks' Justin Gilbert DVD. Very nice.
Advanced: John Peters Next Level.
Organ (from Wheatworks):
Beginner: The Organ Essentials DVD's
Intermediate: PJ Morgan Master Class
Advanced: Eddie Howard or Quennel Gaskin.
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why does their have to be a best?
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that is true cs!!..there cant really be "the best dvd" if you ask me...it depends on how your style is and plus each one will help you...it doesnt have to be the best....why do u think that all of the pros say "i have to get back to the basics" ;)
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I'm not conparing who's the best but as someone said it depends on what level your on. I was refering to what dvd is best base on skill level from beginner to advance. I know many people here have purchased dvd so i wanted to get their input so when i purchase i would know which one to get and i know it depends on what style i would like to learn. That is why i said "why". Your input will help me decide because i don't like to give away money.
Thnks all
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why does their have to be a best?
because they cost too much to buy one, and be disapointed. Many of the older ones dont really teach you anything, ( ie: melvin Crispell and John peters organ tapes) so those wouldnt be best for someone just starting out, or anyone who doesent have a really good ear.
There may not be 1 thats the best, but some are better than others.
You're going to have to specify.
If you're a beginner, then as under13 said Both Urban Worships are nice.
If you're a BEGINNER beginner, I'd go with Gospel Keys 202. When I FIRST started that helped me.
Intermediate: Go for Wheatworks' Justin Gilbert DVD. Very nice.
Advanced: John Peters Next Level.
Organ (from Wheatworks):
Beginner: The Organ Essentials DVD's
Intermediate: PJ Morgan Master Class
Advanced: Eddie Howard or Quennel Gaskin.
I pretty much agree, though I think I stated before that Eddie's dvd really bridges the gap between Intermediate and advanced.
Now Quennel's, is beyond advanced, it BEAST level, I dont even know why I bought it. :D But I fount that even if you arent advanced yet, many of the advanced ones are still informative and fun to watch, plus you will always be able to come back to it as you grow.
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i agree i dont know what i was thinking buying that one either lol like pretty mucht he whole dvd went right over my head crazy thing is i STILL picked up some things. no matter what level you are at you can always pick up something. one thing i learned was that he said he learned all his basic chords which i never sat down and forced myself to do now. then in sebastions dvd he said "usually when i person is killing a song what they are really doing is taking the basics and milking it for everything theve got" after hearing that observation then hearing quennel say the same thing how he teaches his students and how he learned i realized there is no short cut you gotta just sit down and do it... god bless
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i agree i dont know what i was thinking buying that one either lol like pretty mucht he whole dvd went right over my head crazy thing is i STILL picked up some things. no matter what level you are at you can always pick up something. one thing i learned was that he said he learned all his basic chords which i never sat down and forced myself to do now. then in sebastions dvd he said "usually when i person is killing a song what they are really doing is taking the basics and milking it for everything theve got" after hearing that observation then hearing quennel say the same thing how he teaches his students and how he learned i realized there is no short cut you gotta just sit down and do it... god bless
I think someone said a while back that What makes Quennel's playing sound so advanced, is his Speed and the fact that he uses all 10 fingers on every chord.
He admited to doing hanon exercises, so this just shows that he is really serious with his music. Aint no way to get to his level unless you really practice your craft.
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I think someone said a while back that What makes Quennel's playing sound so advanced, is his Speed and the fact that he uses all 10 fingers on every chord.
He admited to doing hanon exercises, so this just shows that he is really serious with his music. Aint no way to get to his level unless you really practice your craft.
Thats the truth.
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Jason White has one of the best dvd's....I finally got my copy!!! It iz da BOMB!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o 8)
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i agree i dont know what i was thinking buying that one either lol like pretty mucht he whole dvd went right over my head crazy thing is i STILL picked up some things. no matter what level you are at you can always pick up something. one thing i learned was that he said he learned all his basic chords which i never sat down and forced myself to do now. then in sebastions dvd he said "usually when i person is killing a song what they are really doing is taking the basics and milking it for everything theve got" after hearing that observation then hearing quennel say the same thing how he teaches his students and how he learned i realized there is no short cut you gotta just sit down and do it... god bless
That is good stuff right there. That is what makes a pro a pro: he knows what he knows and how to use it. Plus practice. Playing music in church is not practice. Going home and sitting down alone and going over stuff is practice.
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Im getting ready to get the Contemporary Chord Finder from Greg Hannon at www.giftedplayer.com (http://www.giftedplayer.com)
He is one of the only strictly theory based instructer with a style I like that I know of.
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My advice is dont get the ccf. I would get the jason white dvd and tie it with jamal soloing techniques.
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Im getting ready to get the Contemporary Chord Finder from Greg Hannon at [url=http://www.giftedplayer.com]www.giftedplayer.com[/url] ([url]http://www.giftedplayer.com[/url])
He is one of the only strictly theory based instructer with a style I like that I know of.
I highly recommend Greg Hannon's materials!! I have one of his dvd sets and I'm getting the CCF next also. ;)
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My advice is u r going to be disappointed. I bought it and i was disappointed.
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My advice is u r going to be disappointed. I bought it and i was disappointed.
Why was it disapointing?
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I bought it too, and was Not disappointed. It comes with 2 dvds as well. It explains alot of theory!
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Im getting ready to get the Contemporary Chord Finder from Greg Hannon at [url=http://www.giftedplayer.com]www.giftedplayer.com[/url] ([url]http://www.giftedplayer.com[/url])
He is one of the only strictly theory based instructer with a style I like that I know of.
I have the ccf. Im using it as a base to build upon. Then i plan on moving to the organ essential 2 dvd by wheatworks. That is partically where i got that long practice routine. It was between the ccf and kevin conleys "unlocking the keys"
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Purchasing the CCF is strictly based on one's ability level and/or the type of sound they want.
Hanon is for those who are searching for the chords from basic to somewhat intermediate.
Jason White is for those who want to, for lack of a better term, take what Hanon (or Griggs) offers and add "depth" and "color".
Purchasing a DVD comes down to what one needs at any given moment. That's all.
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I have the ccf. Im using it as a base to build upon. Then i plan on moving to the organ essential 2 dvd by wheatworks. That is partically where i got that long practice routine. It was between the ccf and kevin conleys "unlocking the keys"
OK i have that DVD and i can safely say;
1) It is NOT for beginners in any way. He goes really fast and covers stuff on teh surface.
2) if you are moving away from beginner level and know your theory, then it is a very very good DVD IMO. The alternate ways you can use to end a song and the runs and chords he teaches are so applicable right off the bat.
In the end its a great DVD.
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Purchasing the CCF is strictly based on one's ability level and/or the type of sound they want.
Hanon is for those who are searching for the chords from basic to somewhat intermediate.
Jason White is for those who want to, for lack of a better term, take what Hanon (or Griggs) offers and add "depth" and "color".
Purchasing a DVD comes down to what one needs at any given moment. That's all.
Nuff said!!!! ;)
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I'm thinking about investing in a piano DVD. I'm trying to avoid the beginner DVDs because I don't want to spend $30 on stuff I already know. However, since I'm mostly self taught, I don't know the theory behind what I'm playing. Should I get the beginner DVDs for the theory or should I get a more advanced DVD for piano and another instructional something for theory?
I would say that I'm at a beginner level, but I'm not a total neophyte.
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I'm thinking about investing in a piano DVD. I'm trying to avoid the beginner DVDs because I don't want to spend $30 on stuff I already know. However, since I'm mostly self taught, I don't know the theory behind what I'm playing. Should I get the beginner DVDs for the theory or should I get a more advanced DVD for piano and another instructional something for theory?
I would say that I'm at a beginner level, but I'm not a total neophyte.
I'd just recommend you get Jermaine Griggs' Gospel Keys 202. Its not bad at all and will help a lot, especially of you are not used to the gospel sound. Like me for instance, i am no beginner in piano, but i spent almost all my playing life doing CCM stuff and gospel was way over my head. When i got Jermain Griggs' DVD, it really helped me understand gospel progressions and chords. I highly recommend it. Plus he uses songs that anyone can identify with to help you along with using the chords. Go out and get a copy or two today.
...and no, he is not paying me to say all that. ;D
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I'd just recommend you get Jermaine Griggs' Gospel Keys 202. Its not bad at all and will help a lot, especially of you are not used to the gospel sound. Like me for instance, i am no beginner in piano, but i spent almost all my playing life doing CCM stuff and gospel was way over my head. When i got Jermain Griggs' DVD, it really helped me understand gospel progressions and chords. I highly recommend it. Plus he uses songs that anyone can identify with to help you along with using the chords. Go out and get a copy or two today.
...and no, he is not paying me to say all that. ;D
Sure he's not. We could all use a little cash during this time of year...just sayin' ::)
Keep on plugin'...I mean pluckin'...the strings of your guitar that is...erm paino...pressin' keys...uh...yeah. :-\
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I reccomend getting Jason White Dvd first because He applied alot of technique and he teaches you different arrangement in your playing. next I would suggest getting Mike Bereal dvd for additional stuff to add and last I get Jamals Soloing Technique for the licks runs and as well as shouts.
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Sure he's not. We could all use a little cash during this time of year...just sayin' ::)
Keep on plugin'...I mean pluckin'...the strings of your guitar that is...erm paino...pressin' keys...uh...yeah. :-\
Funny enough i really SO badly want to move into full-time guitar playing and just leave keys alone. It just ain't happenin' though. :-\
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My advice is u r going to be disappointed. I bought it and i was disappointed.
Well, sell it to me then
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this is just my 2 cents.......I highly recommend the GK 202 DVD. you will learn ALOT! trust me
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Well, sell it to me then
Or, better yet, give it to you for free. ;) :D :D :D :D
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You're going to have to specify.
If you're a beginner, then as under13 said Both Urban Worships are nice.
If you're a BEGINNER beginner, I'd go with Gospel Keys 202. When I FIRST started that helped me.
Intermediate: Go for Wheatworks' Justin Gilbert DVD. Very nice.
Advanced: John Peters Next Level.
Organ (from Wheatworks):
Beginner: The Organ Essentials DVD's
Intermediate: PJ Morgan Master Class
Advanced: Eddie Howard or Quennel Gaskin.
this is just my 2 cents.......I highly recommend the GK 202 DVD. you will learn ALOT! trust me
Yep!
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The one thats helped me the most is the HYMNS and beyond and also the Jamal tritone cuz it gave me a foundation.
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I need yall help............it seems like a lot of the dvd's that I watch dont really show me anything...:-/....like for example, I have Jamall Hartwells Urban Worship Extreme. And like every thing he was doin I had done at one point in time.......Not sayin im super beast or nothin im just sayin sometimes the dvd's let me down a little bit...you go in expected some real off the wall stuff then when you watch it its not like that. I cant even really watch them no more, I have to sit under my friends who I played drums with....PLEASE somebody explain myself to me......lol if that makes sense
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I need yall help............it seems like a lot of the dvd's that I watch dont really show me anything...:-/....like for example, I have Jamall Hartwells Urban Worship Extreme. And like every thing he was doin I had done at one point in time.......Not sayin im super beast or nothin im just sayin sometimes the dvd's let me down a little bit...you go in expected some real off the wall stuff then when you watch it its not like that. I cant even really watch them no more, I have to sit under my friends who I played drums with....PLEASE somebody explain myself to me......lol if that makes sense
I guess you can get Quennel Gaskin's Organ, or John Peters next level piano. Those are probaly the most advanced ones I have.
Since you are already on the advanced level, you might not need a dvd to teach you. In that case I would get some of the older ones Like John peters organ and Melvin Crispell organ. They dont really break down too many chords, but they have a nice style that you may wanna incorporate into your playing. Besides, they are only like 20 bucks each, well worth it if you havent been exposed to the "brooklyn" sound.
Speaking of the Brookyln sound, you may also wanna check out Roger Jean's dvd. he goes in depth into the rythms and how they relate to the right, left hands and the pedels.
(I have a clip of it on my youtube page, see my sig)
Also Check Jammal's website, I was watching some clips of his new project, and they were doing some crazy shouts.
You may also wanna check Jason White. I dont have it, but everyone seems to like it.
If I were you, I would pass on mike bereal, it wasnt anything special
You may aslo like Eddie Howard organ. He does a lot of classic churchy stuff
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Got some new Stuff coming out:
Take a look at: http://GospelPianoChords.com/ (http://GospelPianoChords.com/) for Gospelly Sounding Chords and
For People just wanting some new stuff to play: http://store.gospelmusicians.com/gospel/learn-neosoul-urban-piano-chords/ (http://store.gospelmusicians.com/gospel/learn-neosoul-urban-piano-chords/)
If I were to personally say what I think my top Best DVD's are, I would say:
- All around Best DVD with tons of stuf would be: Urban Worship Xtreme
- Best DVD for beginners: Play by Ear
- For Licks and Tricks: Soloing Techniques 1 and 2
- For Neo-Soul, R&B and super urban chords: Urban Phatness Gumbo
- For Gospel Sounding Chords: Church Service Essentials.
But Urban worship Xtreme was probably my best as far as produciton and how much material and it would be tied with the Soloing Techniques, because the Soloing Techniques is like a Shed Session full of licks and tricks with a perspective from two keyboard players at the same time, so it's like getting a double DVD in one.
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Got some new Stuff coming out:
Take a look at: [url]http://GospelPianoChords.com/[/url] ([url]http://GospelPianoChords.com/[/url]) for Gospelly Sounding Chords and
For People just wanting some new stuff to play: [url]http://store.gospelmusicians.com/gospel/learn-neosoul-urban-piano-chords/[/url] ([url]http://store.gospelmusicians.com/gospel/learn-neosoul-urban-piano-chords/[/url])
If I were to personally say what I think my top Best DVD's are, I would say:
- All around Best DVD with tons of stuf would be: Urban Worship Xtreme
- Best DVD for beginners: Play by Ear
- For Licks and Tricks: Soloing Techniques 1 and 2
- For Neo-Soul, R&B and super urban chords: Urban Phatness Gumbo
- For Gospel Sounding Chords: Church Service Essentials.
But Urban worship Xtreme was probably my best as far as produciton and how much material and it would be tied with the Soloing Techniques, because the Soloing Techniques is like a Shed Session full of licks and tricks with a perspective from two keyboard players at the same time, so it's like getting a double DVD in one.
When are you gonna make an organ dvd? I'm boycotting you until you give us one :D
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When are you gonna make an organ dvd? I'm boycotting you until you give us one :D
Take that requestfor that wretched instrumentto it's proper forum.
Please and thank you. :D
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Take that requestfor that wretched instrumentto it's proper forum.
Please and thank you. :D
We gotta catch him when (and where) we can bro. :P
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- For Neo-Soul, R&B and super urban chords: Urban Phatness Gumbo
Wait...there is actually a DVD named "Phatness Gumbo"? LOL!! :D :D :D
Oh and why is no one coming out with a CCM DVD? I mean c'mon ya'll, we CCM folks are getting left behind on stuff.
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We gotta catch him when (and where) we can bro. :P
:D :D :D
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What you talkin 'bout? Organ is where its at!
Wait...there is actually a DVD named "Phatness Gumbo"? LOL!! :D :D :D
Oh and why is no one coming out with a CCM DVD? I mean c'mon ya'll, we CCM folks are getting left behind on stuff.
I started a thread on the Gumbo dvd a while back
As for a ccm dvd, I doubt that most of thier clientele would buy a ccm dvd. They would probaly have to market to a whole new segment. Urban worship extreme had many CCM songs, but they were played with a neo soul style, which is what gospel cats (and churches) want. And if there was a ccm dvd it would probaly end up as guitar dvd (that wretched instrument) :D
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What you talkin 'bout? Organ is where its at!
He ain't convertin'. :D
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He ain't convertin'. :D
And, you KNOW that's right.
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I like the piano too, dont get me wrong.... I told the band that I would play the piano for alter call this sunday, but I think I may back out....
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Yeah the organ is tight...except for the fact that there is no sustain pedal. Wassup with that? ?/?
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You dont jump around on the organ, so you dont need a sustain pedel
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Wait...there is actually a DVD named "Phatness Gumbo"? LOL!! :D :D :D
Oh and why is no one coming out with a CCM DVD? I mean c'mon ya'll, we CCM folks are getting left behind on stuff.
Doesn't Jamal's DVD "Uban and Contemporary Worship Play by Ear" refer to the CCM style? How 'Bout hnsmusic.org too?
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That Phatness Gumbo DVD has released? I was meaning to check it out.
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That Phatness Gumbo DVD has released? I was meaning to check it out.
I dont think so. I was on the site last night and I think it said you could pre order it.
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I still cannot believe he would name a DVD "Gumbo"! :D :D
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Now that's funny :D
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I still cannot believe he would name a DVD "Gumbo"! :D :D
Haha...I thought you would be more laughing at the Bobble Head Cartoon Image of my head. That's even funnier...lol
(http://store.gospelmusicians.com/images/P/Phatness_Gumbo.jpg)
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Haha...I thought you would be more laughing at the Bobble Head Cartoon Image of my head. That's even funnier...lol
([url]http://store.gospelmusicians.com/images/P/Phatness_Gumbo.jpg[/url])
Thats supposed to be you? I thought that was JJ evans from goodtimes :D
I'ma get this a soon as I finish Urban Worship Extreme.
When you having another 50% off sale like you did last year?
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Jamal's Church Essential is very good for beginner to intermediate fpr that real Church Sound. Some nice riffs and progressions!!!
The Soloing techniques helps develop the left and builds right hand runs.
Those two complement each other.
Bear in mind that no DVD can teach everything.
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Jamal's Church Essential is very good for beginner to intermediate fpr that real Church Sound. Some nice riffs and progressions!!!
The Soloing techniques helps develop the left and builds right hand runs.
Those two complement each other.
Bear in mind that no DVD can teach everything.
I was thinking about getting the church essentials. Do you think it will help if I suck at progressions on the play by ear? I understand the number system but i cant remember the chords to go with his bass. Will the essentials be okay to look at from where I stand now?
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I was thinking about getting the church essentials. Do you think it will help if I suck at progressions on the play by ear? I understand the number system but i cant remember the chords to go with his bass. Will the essentials be okay to look at from where I stand now?
I strongly suggest you go here:
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,42768.0.html (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,42768.0.html)
'Favorite' that link and soak up everything before you buy a DVD (or any other DVD). Even if you bought the DVD now you wouldn't get a lot out of it until you learn the basics.
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I already have gospelkeys 202 and play by ear. I just havent mastered learning all the chords that go with the bass notes. I am very familiar with that link too! ;D
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I already have gospelkeys 202 and play by ear. I just havent mastered learning all the chords that go with the bass notes. I am very familiar with that link too! ;D
How do you play by ear and not know what chords go with what bass notes? ?/?
In GK202 Jermaine tells you what chords go with the 1, what chords go with the 2, etc, etc.
Maybe taking those examples and applying them in every key will help.
In any event this link should be very helpful:
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,54763.0.html (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,54763.0.html)