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I only felt this was appropriate because of the date.
I am YES on 8.
Why are you? God forbid around here, but why aren't you? I think it would be very beneficial for us to discuss this as a body of Christ and gain some real wisdom and knowledge to discuss this subject when it arises.
So what is your "why" on Prop 8?
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I'm yes on Prop.8. I believe in traditional, good ole fashion marriage between a man and a woman. Even if the divorce rate is all jacked up. Now, I'm all for what they call "civil unions" if that's what they want to do.
I hate it when people compare racial discrimination against Blacks/people of color to being gay and their decisions to do what ever they do. It's no comparision in being Black and being gay.
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If marriage rights are given to homosexuals, every one who lives an alternative lifestyle will seek to have their lifestyle validated by the United States. If gays can get married, then why can't a man/woman have more than one spouse? I mean, really? Why can't brother and sister get married? Oh, the kids will come out screwed up? Why about two same sex siblings, then? No possibility of screwed up children there? Why can't an old lady marry all of her cats? Why can't I marry my piano? We make sweet love, and I want to validate my relationship in the eyes of the state...
....who are we hurting? :(
Nope. Not. Stop it.
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didnt you guys notice when you guys voted that the question they gave out about same sex marraige was a double negative it kinda threw you off i didnt know to write yes or no! good thing my pastor cleared it up for us before we went out and voted. i just found that strange...
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If marriage rights are given to homosexuals, every one who lives an alternative lifestyle will seek to have their lifestyle validated by the United States. If gays can get married, then why can't a man/woman have more than one spouse? I mean, really? Why can't brother and sister get married? Oh, the kids will come out screwed up? Why about two same sex siblings, then? No possibility of screwed up children there? Why can't an old lady marry all of her cats? Why can't I marry my piano? We make sweet love, and I want to validate my relationship in the eyes of the state...
....who are we hurting? :(
Nope. Not. Stop it.
And you know all that mess will end up on someones ballot, picket lines, commercials etc,. Pandora's Box will be open and in full effect.
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If marriage rights are given to homosexuals, every one who lives an alternative lifestyle will seek to have their lifestyle validated by the United States. If gays can get married, then why can't a man/woman have more than one spouse? I mean, really? Why can't brother and sister get married? Oh, the kids will come out screwed up? Why about two same sex siblings, then? No possibility of screwed up children there? Why can't an old lady marry all of her cats? Why can't I marry my piano? We make sweet love, and I want to validate my relationship in the eyes of the state...
....who are we hurting? :(
Nope. Not. Stop it.
Good stuff. Keep it going ya'll.
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What is Prop 8?
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What is Prop 8?
Gay marriage. Vote yes and you disapprove of it. Vote no then you approve of it.
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THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE ONE SIN THAT DOES NOT WANT TO BE A SIN. EVERYONE LIVING THIS LIFESTYLE DOES NOT WANT IT TO BE HOWEVER PEOPLE IT IS AND YES GOD STILL LOVES YOU BUT YOU MUST PAY A PRICE. JUST BECAUSE WE AS HETEROSEXUALS/FORNICATORS OR PEOPLE THAT JUST DO NOT GET, IT DOES NOT MAKE US GAY BASHERS. TOLERANCE AND ACCEPTANCE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. HELL I BEEN FORNICATING FOR A LONG TIME AND ADMIT IT AND STRUGGLE EVERYDAY TO RIGHT THE WRONG BUT I KNOW IT IS UNACCEPTABLE IN HIS EYESIGHT FOR OUR WAYS ARE NOT HIS WAYS. I DO NOT KNOW FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHY PEOPLE DO NOT JUST SAY, "HEY I AM A FREAK AND I LIKE IT ALL I AM GREEDY AND HEY I WILL CROSS THAT HEAVEN/HELL BRIDGE WHEN IT GETS HERE.
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Prop 8 was not even an issue in Pennsylvania. It was not on the ballot. Stay Blessed, Nate J.
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Some people say to vote No to prop 8 because later on
this may be used as justification to take away religious freedom
have any of you heard that?
(I don't agree with that by the way....religious freedom is going to be taken away later anyway)
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Some people say to vote No to prop 8 because later on
this may be used as justification to take away religious freedom
have any of you heard that?
(I don't agree with that by the way....religious freedom is going to be taken away later anyway)
Yeah, I agree, that one day religious freedom will be taken away... We can't prevent the wrong that will be done on this earth... But we can do the right thing now... I believe one day gay marriage will be legal in all states, and states that ban it will be denied federal assistance/funding; they will be economically sanctioned (Not SOLELY BECAUSE of a gay marriage ban, of course there will be other reasons, i.e; failure to conform to national standards)
Technically it is "discrimination" to deny homosexuals the right to marry, but spiritually its immoral to engage in homosexual activity.
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Prop 8 was only in Cali. Even if the issue was on your ballot, it would probably be called something else. I'm glad you guys passed the ban.
They always word them funny to try and throw people off, but fortunately, the campaigns were so big that nobody was tricked by that, the "Yes" on 8 and "No" on 8 people were everywhere. I was even able to follow it from here in Nevada.
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If marriage rights are given to homosexuals, every one who lives an alternative lifestyle will seek to have their lifestyle validated by the United States. If gays can get married, then why can't a man/woman have more than one spouse? I mean, really? Why can't brother and sister get married? Oh, the kids will come out screwed up? Why about two same sex siblings, then? No possibility of screwed up children there? Why can't an old lady marry all of her cats? Why can't I marry my piano? We make sweet love, and I want to validate my relationship in the eyes of the state...
....who are we hurting? :(
Nope. Not. Stop it.
You make a good point. That's probably where we're headed, eventually. Thank God there are enough people willing to take a stand and not allow it to happen, yet.
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Yeah, they tryed to get us with the yes/no confusion.
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You make a good point. That's probably where we're headed, eventually. Thank God there are enough people willing to take a stand and not allow it to happen, yet.
AMEN!
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Some people say to vote No to prop 8 because later on
this may be used as justification to take away religious freedom
have any of you heard that?
(I don't agree with that by the way....religious freedom is going to be taken away later anyway)
well you shouldnt be here when that happens buddy! The church should already be in heaven! so dont worry about that!
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California already has one the most encompassing definition of Domestic Partnerships - partners can sign contracts together, adopt children, inherit, see each other in hospital, make decisions about each others' health care, etc. And many companies allow partners in on their employees' health benefits.
All a 'no' on Prop. 8 would have done would be to maintain the status quo: to allow same-sex couples to keep getting Marriage licenses at the Courthouse. Today LA and Orange Counties stopped doing that. Also since CA will no longer recognize same-sex marriage, those issued in the state after the CA Supreme Court's decision several months ago to allow same-sex marriage will be considered annulled.
The No on Prop. 8 people are already mounting a court challenge to this...
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well you shouldnt be here when that happens buddy! The church should already be in heaven! so dont worry about that!
If you're a pre-trib believer ;)
California already has one the most encompassing definition of Domestic Partnerships - partners can sign contracts together, adopt children, inherit, see each other in hospital, make decisions about each others' health care, etc. And many companies allow partners in on their employees' health benefits.
All a 'no' on Prop. 8 would have done would be to maintain the status quo: to allow same-sex couples to keep getting Marriage licenses at the Courthouse. Today LA and Orange Counties stopped doing that. Also since CA will no longer recognize same-sex marriage, those issued in the state after the CA Supreme Court's decision several months ago to allow same-sex marriage will be considered annulled.
The No on Prop. 8 people are already mounting a court challenge to this...
This battle is certainly not over.
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If you're a pre-trib believer ;)
This battle is certainly not over.
They're out there right now protesting already. Boy I tell you, their relentless! Their worst then the peta people.
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Correction on one point - The CA Attorney General said that existing same-sex marriages will be recognized - but no new ones, for now. Not clear whether that emcompasses those from out-of-state or just locally.
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If you're a pre-trib believer ;)
This battle is certainly not over.
?/? what?
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They're out there right now protesting already. Boy I tell you, their relentless! Their worst then the peta people.
;D ;D ;D That's pretty bad.
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?/? what?
Some people don't believe we are going to be gone during the tribulation. Don't tell me you just listen to whatever comes your way and not do your own research. Please have knowledge on a topic before you tell your friends about it ;)
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Some people don't believe we are going to be gone during the tribulation. Don't tell me you just listen to whatever comes your way and not do your own research. Please have knowledge on a topic before you tell your friends about it ;)
Lol... nah man i know that... i have a few friends who beleive that. but we just never say "pre-trib" we say the rapture! ;)
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I think that Christians(true saved and sanctified Christians) will go through some kind of major tribulation before the rapture... especially with gay rights and homosexuality becoming more and more popular... those who are standing up for whats right are already being called homophobes, bigots, and gay-bashers; and our message of love is being called a message of hate...
I believe the real persecution is yet to come... Nobody will get out of here that easy, we will be tested, and we will be persecuted for Christ-- A real persecution, not something small like getting cussed out and threatened on Myspace.
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I'm yes on Prop.8. I believe in traditional, good ole fashion marriage between a man and a woman. Even if the divorce rate is all jacked up. Now, I'm all for what they call "civil unions" if that's what they want to do.
I hate it when people compare racial discrimination against Blacks/people of color to being gay and their decisions to do what ever they do. It's no comparision in being Black and being gay.
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That's it bruh.
The bible is very clear on every issue; this one is no exception.
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yall aint herd?
Gay is the new Black.
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yall aint herd?
Gay is the new Black.
Da** Shame! Trying to compare The Black Race to being gay.
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I can't stand that!!!! Granted I'm white, but it still offends me when gap ppl say they have to fight for the same civil rights as black folk!!! There isn't even a comparison! That irks me to no end.
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I can't stand that!!!! Granted I'm white, but it still offends me when gap ppl say they have to fight for the same civil rights as black folk!!! There isn't even a comparison! That irks me to no end.
If they compared whites to being gay it would be just as offensive.
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This is a very controversial subject. Its so unfortunate to be born gay in this world. They really have it hard in society and in church. I feel bad for them, i really do. Attraction is such a mystery.
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Its so unfortunate to be born gay in this world.
Thats a whole 'nother can of worms
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Well granted the fact people can't be born gay... Its a choice.
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Well granted the fact people can't be born gay... Its a choice.
Do you have anything to back that up?
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Do you have anything to back that up?
Of course he doesn't. He'll probably come back with some irrelevant scripture lol
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Well granted the fact people can't be born gay... Its a choice.
Oh and dont bother googling or searching bible.com cause you wont find anything that will support your statement. So just give us your theory.
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Why don't u just check the lil concordance in the Bible?? It comes in handy sometimes... Homosexuality goes against nature and the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion. Romans 1 talks about gays, leviticus states that its an abomination. God made us in His image, so why would be create us like that and then state in that in His word that its an abomination.
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Why don't u just check the lil concordance in the Bible?? It comes in handy sometimes... Homosexuality goes against nature and the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion. Romans 1 talks about gays, leviticus states that its an abomination. God made us in His image, so why would be create us like that and then state in that in His word that its an abomination.
So what about Hermaprodites?
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That's a whole diff story. I'm talking about ppl that have same-sex attractions.
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So what about Hermaprodites?
So are you saying that all hermaprodites are gay? And what does that have to do with being a homosexual, prop8 and this thread?
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So are you saying that all hermaprodites are gay? And how does that have to do with this thread?
NO
He said:
the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion.
To me thats way more confusing than homosexuality. Zak said that God made us in his image, So if a hermaprodite, can be made in his image, I dont see why a Gay person cant.
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He said:
To me thats way more confusing than homosexuality. Zak said that God made us in his image, So if a hermaprodite, can be made in his image, I dont see why a Gay person cant.
Gods image is not just physical. He doesn't look like us. He took on human form when he came as Jesus.
Man there is alot of things that we don't understand when it comes to God. Physical deformaties are a part of human nature... I just don't know... I can't call it...
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Thank u beat boxer... The bible states let the mind of christ be in you also. God is a spirit. Homosexuality is a state of mind and if pushed and fostered, demonic doors can be opened.
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Thank u beat boxer... The bible states let the mind of christ be in you also. God is a spirit. Homosexuality is a state of mind and if pushed and fostered, demonic doors can be opened.
Youre right. Homosexuality is a state of mind. But you dont make the choice to be attracted to male or female. It happens naturally. Sometimes a human being is born with the same sex attraction. I honestly cant tell you why I like big booty light skinned chicks and my cousin likes dark skinned chicks with long hair. Nobody told me what to like. I just started liking whatever I like. lol This is so funny. I think you should take 30 minutes out of your schedual to interview a gay person. Most will tell you they've always been that way. Im not speaking for the one's who make that choice later on in life just to defy society or God and his biblical will.
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Thank u beat boxer... The bible states let the mind of christ be in you also. God is a spirit. Homosexuality is a state of mind and if pushed and fostered, demonic doors can be opened.
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Have any of you though about this; We all can agree that after the fall of man, all decendants of Adam were thereafter born in sin. Now, since that be true, I can see how one can be born into homosexuality. We are born in sin, in the womb and out the womb. Now, God warned Adam of the consequences of sin. So we are attacked in the womb also. God give us a choice to come to him when we come into the knowledge of him and free us from sin. I not a preacher and I'm not here to preacher to you, but we are born in sin. But that don't mean you the just sit there and wallow in sin. Homosexuality is not God's state of mind.
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I like big booty light skinned chicks
ME TOO!! :D
Seriously, I definatly think its possible for people to be born gay. When people tell you that they are gay, its often not a suprise, as you probaly saw it in them since they were little kids.
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Have any of you though about this; We all can agree that after the fall of man, all decendants of Adam were thereafter born in sin. Now, since that be true, I can see how one can be born into homosexuality. We are born in sin, in the womb and out the womb. Now, God warned Adam of the consequences of sin. So we are attacked in the womb also. God give us a choice to come to him when we come into the knowledge of him and free us from sin. I not a preacher and I'm not here to preacher to you, but we are born in sin.
This is very true. But those wonderful authors, those so called great men of God left out a few details when they put His word together. They pre-maturly classified a few birth defects to be demon influenced and an abomination to God before they actually understood the science behind it. The gay, the human deformed and people born with down syndrom all fit that category. You find me one mental retarded person, who by the touch of God, is a college proffessor, and I'll find you a gay guy who's also been delivered. It doesnt happen like that. The closest a gay guy/girl can come to deliverence, is to develope enough discipline not to commit the act of homosexuality. The attraction remains. Not that God cant, its just that he hasnt done that yet.
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I know a gay man who made the decision not to date anyone, male and definitely not female. He can't stand women. But he's not sexual with men anymore. So can you say he's sinning as far as him being considered a homosexual :-\ ? You can tell he's gay, but he's cool with me. Sometimes he says stupid stuff, but I just brush it off and get REALLY MANLY with him.
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I know a gay man who made the decision not to date anyone, male and definitely not female. He can't stand women. But he's not sexual with men anymore. So can you say he's sinning and far him being considered a homosexual :-\ ? You can tell he's gay, but he's cool with me. Sometimes he says stupid stuff, but I just brush it off and get REALLY MANLY with him.
Thats exactly what Im talking about big bro. I know gay guys who just dont mess around anymore but the attraction is still there. God is not in the business of altering attration. He's just not. Thats why its so funny when people like Donnie McClurkin and Tyler Perry say "I used to be gay." You look at them like, naw dude I can see that youre still gay lol! But maybe what they mean is, they dont commit those acts anymore. Im sorry, but you just dont like boys' bootys one day and the next youre delivered and liking girls :D
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This is very true. But those wonderful authors, those so called great men of God left out a few details when they put His word together. They pre-maturly classified a few birth defects to be demon influenced and an abomination to God before they actually understood the science behind it. The gay, the human deformed and people born with down syndrom all fit that category. You find me one mental retarded person, who by the touch of God, is a college proffessor, and I'll find you a gay guy who's also been delivered. It doesnt happen like that. The closest a gay guy/girl can come to deliverence, is to develope enough discipline not to commit the act of homosexuality. The attraction remains. Not that God cant, its just that he hasnt done that yet.
Yeah there's no doubt that God can touch who we call retarded humans, physically disabled humans and use them for his glory, no question about that. He can deliver anyone of us from our stinky selfs...But human deformaties aren't a state of mind.
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So you're telling me you don't believe that God can do anything? Umm. Somebody needs to read their bible and quit trusting on their own understanding. I see a whole lot of "well I believe this" and I think this" and not enough "the word of God states!" My God is able to do anything and everything. So quit limiting God.
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So you're telling me you don't believe that God can do anything? Umm. Somebody needs to read their bible and quit trusting on their own understanding. I see a whole lot of "well I believe this" and I think this" and not enough "the word of God states!" My God is able to do anything and everything. So quit limiting God.
I don't think no one said that God couldn't do anything. He can do all things. In due season/when he gets ready to. Maybe the season hasn't come for certain individuals who are gay or what ever their problem maybe :-\.
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So you're telling me you don't believe that God can do anything? Umm. Somebody needs to read their bible and quit trusting on their own understanding. I see a whole lot of "well I believe this" and I think this" and not enough "the word of God states!" My God is able to do anything and everything. So quit limiting God.
Im not big enough to limit God. He limits Himself. So do you know any ex-retards by the grace of God? I didnt think so.
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Thats exactly what Im talking about big bro. I know gay guys who just dont mess around anymore but the attraction is still there. God is not in the business of altering attration. He's just not. Thats why its so funny when people like Donnie McClurkin and Tyler Perry say "I used to be gay." You look at them like, naw dude I can see that youre still gay lol! But maybe what they mean is, they dont commit those acts anymore. Im sorry, but you just dont like boys' bootys one day and the next youre delivered and liking girls :D
Naw, their still gay, they can't stand the thought of being with a female. Which is mind boggling to me... You know that's exactly why Tyler Perry like playing Medea all the time. He can act out his gay nature and call it acting,art ::)...
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Youre right. Homosexuality is a state of mind. But you dont make the choice to be attracted to male or female. It happens naturally. Sometimes a human being is born with the same sex attraction. I honestly cant tell you why I like big booty light skinned chicks and my cousin likes dark skinned chicks with long hair. Nobody told me what to like. I just started liking whatever I like. lol This is so funny. I think you should take 30 minutes out of your schedual to interview a gay person. Most will tell you they've always been that way. Im not speaking for the one's who make that choice later on in life just to defy society or God and his biblical will.
Its all the sin nature. Nobody has to teach us to be greedy and selfish it happens naturaly. Nobody teaches us to lie it comes naturaly. A lot of sinful things come as a result of a natural response to ones circumstances. But just because we are born with a predisposition to sin dosen't make sin right and homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. So once one finds out that what they do or think is sin they then have a choice to make. Do I continue in sin or do i do whats right.
By the way... Most if not all homosexuals (males) that I've talked to were raped or molested.
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Its all the sin nature. Nobody has to teach us to be greedy and selfish it happens naturaly. Nobody teaches us to lie it comes naturaly. A lot of sinful things come as a result of a natural response to ones circumstances. But just because we are born with a predisposition to sin dosen't make sin right and homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. So once one finds out that what they do or think is sin they then have a choice to make. Do I continue in sin or do i do whats right.
By the way... Most if not all homosexuals (males) that I've talked to were raped or molested.
Yo this is very true tkoO5 but irrelevant to the fact that lying, greed, and selfishness are not birth defects. Im classifying homosexuality as a birth defect or like you said, in some cases, the alteration of a childs mind at an early age where they cant defend against it. They are stuck and there is no deliverence from it. None. Ive never seen someone born with 3 fingers and by the touch of God, they now have 5. You get what Im saying? Im putting homosexuality in the same boat.
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Thats exactly what Im talking about big bro. I know gay guys who just dont mess around anymore but the attraction is still there. God is not in the business of altering attration. He's just not. Thats why its so funny when people like Donnie McClurkin and Tyler Perry say "I used to be gay." You look at them like, naw dude I can see that youre still gay lol! But maybe what they mean is, they dont commit those acts anymore. Im sorry, but you just dont like boys' bootys one day and the next youre delivered and liking girls :D
Dude, you have killed me this entire page. :D :D
Also, I'd like to argue that child molestation doesn't MAKE someone turn gay. Can lil' Dante be molested by a female and suddenly he no longer wants to stop wearing his mothers slippers and night gown? Will your niece that loves playing football and watching wrestling more than you do suddenly want to play with Barbie dolls and wear pink dresses because she was repeatedly molested by a man? I think this all goes back to the belief that homosexuality is a contagious disease. As far as I'm concerned, if it's in you, it's in you.
Heck, who are we kidding, their are some people that LOOK gay, and I'm talking about in terms of physical features and not the way they choose to dress.. Their weren't enough push-ups and beatings in the world to change them. I've seen people like that all my life, and they ALWAYS grew up to be what I thought they LOOKED like. But, whatever ... I'm not a scientist, but I'm not really a fan of that 'He/she got turned out when she/he was a child!" jive.
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Yo this is very true tkoO5 but irrelevant to the fact that lying, greed, and selfishness are not birth defects. Im classifying homosexuality as a birth defect or like you said, in some cases, the alteration of a childs mind at an early age where they cant defend against it. They are stuck and there is no deliverence from it. None. Ive never seen someone born with 3 fingers and by the touch of God, they now have 5. You get what Im saying? Im putting homosexuality in the same boat.
Maybe they should have Benny Hinn blow on them, or wave his jacket in their direction.
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Dude, you have killed me this entire page. :D :D
Also, I'd like to argue that child molestation doesn't MAKE someone turn gay. Can lil' Dante be molested by a female and suddenly he no longer wants to stop wearing his mothers slippers and night gown? Will your niece that loves playing football and watching wrestling more than you do suddenly want to play with Barbie dolls and wear pink dresses because she was repeatedly molested by a man? I think this all goes back to the belief that homosexuality is a contagious disease. As far as I'm concerned, if it's in you, it's in you.
Heck, who are we kidding, their are some people that LOOK gay, and I'm talking about in terms of physical features and not the way they choose to dress.. Their weren't enough push-ups and beatings in the world to change them. I've seen people like that all my life, and they ALWAYS grew up to be what I thought they LOOKED like. But, whatever ... I'm not a scientist, but I'm not really a fan of that 'He/she got turned out when she/he was a child!" jive.
**I know that little girls like football and wrestling doesn't make it gay. However, society usually attributes overt femininity in males and overt masculinity in females to homosexuality. While their are people that defy this stereotype, from my experience, their aren't many.
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Dude, you have killed me this entire page. :D :D
Also, I'd like to argue that child molestation doesn't MAKE someone turn gay. Can lil' Dante be molested by a female and suddenly he no longer wants to stop wearing his mothers slippers and night gown? Will your niece that loves playing football and watching wrestling more than you do suddenly want to play with Barbie dolls and wear pink dresses because she was repeatedly molested by a man? I think this all goes back to the belief that homosexuality is a contagious disease. As far as I'm concerned, if it's in you, it's in you.
Heck, who are we kidding, their are some people that LOOK gay, and I'm talking about in terms of physical features and not the way they choose to dress.. Their weren't enough push-ups and beatings in the world to change them. I've seen people like that all my life, and they ALWAYS grew up to be what I thought they LOOKED like. But, whatever ... I'm not a scientist, but I'm not really a fan of that 'He/she got turned out when she/he was a child!" jive.
Maybe they should have Benny Hinn blow on them, or wave his jacket in their direction.
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Exactly! I gotta agree on the child molestation issue. I mean, I think its just their way of justifying what they are. If its in them, its in them and thats that. Benny Hinn...what a joke lol!!! :D
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Exactly! I gotta agree on the child molestation issue. I mean, I think its just their way of justifying what they are. If its in them, its in them and thats that. Benny Hinn...what a joke lol!!! :D
...oh, umm .... about the rounded buttocked women with the even complexions...
...you wouldn't happen to know any with MySpace pages? ;D
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Are edit buttons still 100 bucks?
I see too many mistakes I've made in spelling and otherwise, and I can't do anything about them. >:(
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...oh, umm .... about the rounded buttocked women with the even complexions...
...you wouldn't happen to know any with MySpace pages? ;D
Oh yeah main but shhhhhhh :-X ...***there's a certain rounded buttocked woman who shouldnt know who I know*** ;D
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This is on point. As someone mentioned we are born in sin(do you know how hard it is to do the right thing in life especially when it is not the popular thing,you will be called weird,stuck-up,conceited,etc...)When a young man/woman behaves in a manner other than that which goes with there physical they tend to let SOCIETY dictate to them WHO and WHAT they are, then they say to themselves "hey I must be everyone keeps telling me I this and that" and we as society throw them into a box and so the only people they are comfotable being around are the other people thrown into the same category and then begans a life that is hard to come out of.
**I know that little girls like football and wrestling doesn't make it gay. However, society usually attributes overt femininity in males and overt masculinity in females to homosexuality. While their are people that defy this stereotype, from my experience, their aren't many.
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Yo this is very true tkoO5 but irrelevant to the fact that lying, greed, and selfishness are not birth defects. Im classifying homosexuality as a birth defect or like you said, in some cases, the alteration of a childs mind at an early age where they cant defend against it. They are stuck and there is no deliverence from it. None. Ive never seen someone born with 3 fingers and by the touch of God, they now have 5. You get what Im saying? Im putting homosexuality in the same boat.
This is where we disagree bro. I don't think God would make it a sin to be homosexual and go so far as to call it an abomination and then turn around and alow somone to unwillingly be born a homosexual. The bible never states being retarded or deformed as being sin they were however, not allowed to worship in the temple under the law (which Jesus set us free from).
Read Romans 1:18-32 especially verses 26 and 27. i believe this is why people tur to homosexuality.
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Thank u tko! That's what I been trying to say! And I personally have met a person who was once retarded and now isn't. She is an art teacher at the Frazer Center in the Atl. The Frazer Center is a day facility for developmentally (ppl born with the condition) disabled children and adults. She was once a patient there but through the years she got better and better and finally they hired her on as an art teacher.
Now for the subject on homosexual deliverance, YOU can be set free from that bondage. I was once like that and it took a couple years of serious fasting and praying to get rid of that and I am a true believer that God is able. Homosexuality and mental retardation/physical deformities DO NOT go in the same boat. There isn't even common ground with them.
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People the only thing you can be born as is MAN/WOMAN this is how doctors, the very doctors that make a boatload of cash delivering babies, determine what? YOUR SEX! NOT YOUR SEXUAL PREFERANCE! they take one look maybe 2 if you are still in womb I believe it is called a ULTRASOUND? the doctor says "Mr. and Mrs. such and such you are having a beautiful baby boy/girl. I doubt if they say " BUT HEY YOU KNOW YOUR BABY IS GAY/BISEXUAL/TRANSGENDER etc.../SEX FIEND/CHILD MOLESTER/PEDOPHILE/PRIEST/CHRISTIAN/SAINT/CUM FREAK/DOCTOR/LAWYER/CAR SALESMAN/COMPUTER TECHNICIAN/MECHANIC/BARBER/BEAUTICIAN/ORGAN,KEYBOARD PLAYER/BASS PLAYER/DRUMMER. The person in question gets to make what GOD gave us all "A CHOICE". I may sound a little facetious, however you decide the GIFT or the CURSE.
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I believe that Homosex. is a spirit of deception. As little boys we are raised not to show feelings or express love for other men but to be manly, strong, squared jaw(in a hetero sexual way) I believe that the spirit of homosexuality plants the seed starting from then in a mans life leading him to lust then to the act. think about it! If a child is sexually abused its a traumatic state in which a homosexual seed can be planted into the spirit of that child. Trauma can open you spiritually, so can drugs. The spirit of lust as most of us know is a hard one to break now imagine having to deal with homosexuality on top of it.
As for gays getting married, well their not Christans and have the right to do whatever they want, Im not going to stop them...Im going to love them! And maybe through me showing them Christs love they will come to christ and change their ways. Why stop them, they might be married under the laws of man but under the laws of Christ its not seen.
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Homosexuality(including all other sins) is a choice and a sin that a person chooses to do out of their own lusts. There are reasons during a persons live that may cause them to develop certain types of lust and addictions(homosexuality,pornography, molestation...etc) and things like that, but you certainly aren't born as a homosexual. That's why it is important to have the Holy Spirit, because the Word says you must bring all thoughts under the subjection of the Holy Spirit that will help you and lead you. If you want to live right then the Holy Spirit is there to help you do that.
Read 1 James 1:12-15 which clears that up. For someone to be born homosexual that would mean that the temptation sometype of way came from God which is 100% wrong according to the Word. God does not tempt man, but man is drawn away of his own lust. Once lust is conceived(verse 15) which means something has to occur post-birth(seed planted) in someones life to effect them and cause them to feel that way and then the sin(action) comes forth and death(consequence) after that. That clearly shows us that there is a path to destruction and there is a path to righteousness.... you do have a choice.
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Homosexuality(including all other sins) is a choice and a sin that a person chooses to do out of their own lusts. There are reasons during a persons live that may cause them to develop certain types of lust and addictions(homosexuality,pornography, molestation...etc) and things like that, but you certainly aren't born as a homosexual. That's why it is important to have the Holy Spirit, because the Word says you must bring all thoughts under the subjection of the Holy Spirit that will help you and lead you. If you want to live right then the Holy Spirit is there to help you do that.
Read 1 James 1:12-15 which clears that up. For someone to be born homosexual that would mean that the temptation sometype of way came from God which is 100% wrong according to the Word. God does not tempt man, but man is drawn away of his own lust. Once lust is conceived(verse 15) which means something has to occur post-birth(seed planted) in someones life to effect them and cause them to feel that way and then the sin(action) comes forth and death(consequence) after that. That clearly shows us that there is a path to destruction and there is a path to righteousness.... you do have a choice.
So youre saying that homosexuality doesnt come from God? Wow. Do you not understand who God is? There is only one creator of all things. Do you not understand that God is both good and evil?
"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?" [Lam 3:38]
"I form light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I the LORD, do all these things." [Is 45:7]
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So youre saying that homosexuality doesnt come from God? Wow. Do you not understand who God is? There is only one creator of all things. Do you not understand that God is both good and evil?
"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?" [Lam 3:38]
"I form light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I the LORD, do all these things." [Is 45:7]
I think that God allows horrible things. he created the devil that doesnt mean that God is evil!
God created and the devil perverted things. i.e. SEX! God made sex but the devil perveted it into homosexuality, prostitution, sex before marriage etc.
i dont think that God is evil tho he just allowed those things to come...
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Why would God create something and then go back on His Word and say that that action was an abomination? The Bible states that He'd exalt his Word above His Name!!!
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So youre saying that homosexuality doesnt come from God? Wow. Do you not understand who God is? There is only one creator of all things. Do you not understand that God is both good and evil?
"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?" [Lam 3:38]
"I form light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I the LORD, do all these things." [Is 45:7]
James 1
13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
God does not set traps for people and play games. You are basically saying that God said let me make homosexuality and allow man to fall into it so they don't make it into heaven.
So you are telling me God puts homosexuality in mens minds and tempts them to do it even though the scripture just said he doesn't do that? This comes down to choices, not who made what and who didn't. It comes down to are you being obedient to what God is requiring. Sin is the trap Satan has set and Jesus has come to get us out of it if we let him.
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So you're telling me you don't believe that God can do anything? Umm. Somebody needs to read their bible and quit trusting on their own understanding. I see a whole lot of "well I believe this" and I think this" and not enough "the word of God states!" My God is able to do anything and everything. So quit limiting God.
Bro you need to read your bible and learn about self-righteousness and pride with your 200 posts.
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hey i am just calling it like i see it. i don't need over a thousand posts to state the truth. psalms 3:5. i even have to look up scripture to validate my statements.
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hey i am just calling it like i see it. i don't need over a thousand posts to state the truth. psalms 3:5. i even have to look up scripture to validate my statements.
Wow you're very cocky.
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hey i am just calling it like i see it. i don't need over a thousand posts to state the truth. psalms 3:5. i even have to look up scripture to validate my statements.
Wow you're very cocky.
Use the people to validate your pride as well. All your labor is in vein if it's done in pride, even lifting your fingers to find the scriptures. We're calling it like we see it too, in brotherly love.
If you want to grow in Christ and get on the road to humility, I recommend the book "Humility" by C.J. Mahaney.
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Use the people to validate your pride as well. All your labor is in vein if it's done in pride, even lifting your fingers to find the scriptures. We're calling it like we see it too, in brotherly love.
If you want to grow in Christ and get on the road to humility, I recommend the book "Humility" by C.J. Mahaney.
Yeah Apostoliczak. And I recommend a book called "The Christian Road To 300 Posts" by Hue Mill Eddy.
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well humility is a two way street. i apologize if i offended anyone. ?/?
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well humility is a two way street. i apologize if i offended anyone. ?/?
LOL! Naw youre cool homie. I was just messin with you. :) Be blessed
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well humility is a two way street. i apologize if i offended anyone. ?/?
Don't trip Zak. This is the drum room. It takes alot to offend these knuckles heads in here. I like the fact that you don't let anyone bully you 8).
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So youre saying that homosexuality doesnt come from God? Wow. Do you not understand who God is? There is only one creator of all things. Do you not understand that God is both good and evil?
"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?" [Lam 3:38]
"I form light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I the LORD, do all these things." [Is 45:7]
God will allow bad things to happen to you to help you grow, not to torrment you (or allow you to be torrmented by people) for the rest of your life from birth on. Evil implies sin and God is sinless.
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well humility is a two way street. i apologize if i offended anyone. ?/?
haha. You worry about your side of the road! ;)
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Correction:
God will allow bad things to happen to you to help you grow, not to torment you (or allow you to be tormented by people) for the rest of your life from birth on. Evil implies sin and God is sinless.
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Ok let me break this down for you guys Barney style and hold your hand like a small child. Where did the very existense of evil come from? Remember that Satan was created and given his power from a power source. Satan is not evil by himself. He is just a pawn like you and me. I'll give you a hint, there is but one creator of all things...one power source.
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*ponders*... what was SHEEN laughing at so hard on page 5...i think i know but im scared to say lol..bottom line is ..Live for CHRIST or if NOT you WILL bust HELL wide open..and thats for all the FAGS,LIARS,BACKBITERS ect.. ect..
D.H.
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*ponders*... what was SHEEN laughing at so hard on page 5...i think i know but im scared to say lol..bottom line is ..Live for CHRIST or if NOT you WILL bust HELL wide open..and thats for all the FAGS,LIARS,BACKBITERS ect.. ect..
D.H.
i meant page 4..
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*ponders*... what was SHEEN laughing at so hard on page 5...i think i know but im scared to say lol..bottom line is ..Live for CHRIST or if NOT you WILL bust HELL wide open..and thats for all the FAGS,LIARS,BACKBITERS ect.. ect..
D.H.
Real talk
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Ok let me break this down for you guys Barney style and hold your hand like a small child. Where did the very existense of evil come from? Remember that Satan was created and given his power from a power source. Satan is not evil by himself. He is just a pawn like you and me. I'll give you a hint, there is but one creator of all things...one power source.
Yo, thats deep Kev. I've never looked at him that way before... Must be time for some bible shedding. BRB.
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Yo, thats deep Kev. I've never looked at him that way before... Must be time for some bible shedding. BRB.
Man its an important and wonderful thing to know God. Its even more wonderful that understanding all of His ways or His every move, is not a prerequisite to love and serve Him. ;)
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And I recommend a book called "The Christian Road To 300 Posts" by Hue Mill Eddy.
looooooool!
Sheen ur the man! loooool
just my few cents:
I think it is important that we dont forget love in all of it! I think this topic is not only an important but also very sensitive one.
Furthermore it is important that we distinguish between homosexuality as a feeling/spirit (however u want to call it) which is not a sin and the act which is sin....
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Ok let me break this down for you guys Barney style and hold your hand like a small child. Where did the very existense of evil come from? Remember that Satan was created and given his power from a power source. Satan is not evil by himself. He is just a pawn like you and me. I'll give you a hint, there is but one creator of all things...one power source.
LOL! @ Barney
God himself is not evil. God was the beginning and in the beginning... so of course he is the one and only creator because nothing came before him. We must understand the when Satan rebelled against God there came a seperation. God gave Lucifer power before he got big headed and then Lucifer chose to rebel... he was not forced to rebel. It could not be simply called one good vs. another good?? There had to be good vs. evil to show a seperation. Did God create that? Yes, he created that seperation and called it evil.
If you read Genesis and read into Romans a little further you'll see that the Word says in Romans "by one man sin entered into the world", Which means there was a choice...we are not just pawns but the Word said we were made in his image and his likeness. We have a choice to make. Choose yet this day whom you will serve. If there is no seperation then there is no choice to make and we are truly pawns. Everyone has choices to make, Adam had them, Abraham had them, Moses had them, Noah had them, David had them, Barney has them. ;D
looooooool!
Sheen ur the man! loooool
just my few cents:
I think it is important that we dont forget love in all of it! I think this topic is not only an important but also very sensitive one.
Furthermore it is important that we distinguish between homosexuality as a feeling/spirit (however u want to call it) which is not a sin and the act which is sin....
Amen
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LOL! @ Barney
God himself is not evil. God was the beginning and in the beginning... so of course he is the one and only creator because nothing came before him. We must understand the when Satan rebelled against God there came a seperation. God gave Lucifer power before he got big headed and then Lucifer chose to rebel... he was not forced to rebel. It could not be simply called one good vs. another good?? There had to be good vs. evil to show a seperation. Did God create that? Yes, he created that seperation and called it evil.
If you read Genesis and read into Romans a little further you'll see that the Word says in Romans "by one man sin entered into the world", Which means there was a choice...we are not just pawns but the Word said we were made in his image and his likeness. We have a choice to make. Choose yet this day whom you will serve. If there is no seperation then there is no choice to make and we are truly pawns. Everyone has choices to make, Adam had them, Abraham had them, Moses had them, Noah had them, David had them, Barney has them. ;D
Amen
AMEN
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You guys are still missing it. Im done after this by the way. Yes Satan had a choice. But he only chose what was made available to him. Satan chose an option and consequence that was hand crafted and perfectly designed by God. The choice to rebel and become the leading host of darkness. Rebellion, Envy and Covetness are spirits that Satan grabbed hold of. What were spirits like that doing in Heaven to begin with boggles my mind everytime I think about it. But whatever the case, no matter how strange this might sound, Satan is only Satan by the power of God. Period.
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You guys are still missing it. Im done after this by the way. Yes Satan had a choice. But he only chose what was made available to him. Satan chose an option and consequence that was hand crafted and perfectly designed by God. The choice to rebel and become the leading host of darkness. Rebellion, Envy and Covetness are spirits that Satan grabbed hold of. What were spirits like that doing in Heaven to begin with boggles my mind everytime I think about it. But whatever the case, no matter how strange this might sound, Satan is only Satan by the power of God. Period.
No, we get the point very clearly. God is sovereign. He can do what ever he wants. And it's clear God made a choice to turn away from evil. He even had to turn away from his son while he was on the cross dying for us. God even repented for making us in the first place. But he started over with Noah. He knew evil, that's why he told Adam not to even go there with the tree of knowledge. Ignorance is bliss!
I guess you can look at it in is sense of positive and negative polarities. The two can't exist without one another.
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To two can't exist without one another.
Right on! I didnt want to be the one to say it ;D But its so true!
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recap/conclusion:
Sodomy is a Sin
Amen
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Ok chilrens gather around, Chief got a song for you... Im going to make love to ya ... Oops wrong chilrens! God did not or does cause bad things to happen, thats just plain foolish! SIN is the reason for bad things on this earth! Satan can not make you do anything unless you let him in to your soul!!!! All he can do is whisper the thought and YOU have the choice to act or decline!!!
Now I do believe that Satan can cause harm to people, but if you are covered under the blood of Christ, no weapon formed against you will prosper.. Even if we physically see death we are not dead! Can you be gay and be a Christian..Yes! But you cant act on it and you must get help to over come it because it is an abomination and that was from GOD himself..
God did not create homosexuality, how can God contradict himself. The history of homosexuals is in the bible I can get more into it at a later time, I just came down here to pack up some equipment for some out of town sessions I have for the next two days. But homosexuality came into place in Exodus 32:4 when the Israelites turned from God and started worshiping the golden calf (עגל הזהב Agal haZahab = Evil Spirits & Satan). Romans 1:20 to around 32 explains more, but for those who just play drums and dont read the bible here;
Romans 1:20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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You guys are still missing it. Im done after this by the way. Yes Satan had a choice. But he only chose what was made available to him. Satan chose an option and consequence that was hand crafted and perfectly designed by God. The choice to rebel and become the leading host of darkness. Rebellion, Envy and Covetness are spirits that Satan grabbed hold of. What were spirits like that doing in Heaven to begin with boggles my mind everytime I think about it. But whatever the case, no matter how strange this might sound, Satan is only Satan by the power of God. Period.
Man you know I love you guy but I cant agree with you on this one. Satan was one of the highest and most honored beings in Heaven, he wasn't like one of the angles, he had leadership... Satan was given a free will just like all the other angles in heaven.. Satan was not satisfied with his position which was already one of greatness he wanted to be God... What this does prove is that sin started in Heaven.. God IS a God of truly free freedom, he let Satan make his own decisions, he gave mankind his own free will to make their own decisions, he has laid out his rules and has given everyone the same fighting chance to succeed in him. Is God all knowing yes but not in the way that most interpret all knowing to be. God does not create life and just condemns them to damnation, he gives them a chance to choose.
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Man you know I love you guy but I cant agree with you on this one. Satan was one of the highest and most honored beings in Heaven, he wasn't like one of the angles, he had leadership... Satan was given a free will just like all the other angles in heaven.. Satan was not satisfied with his position which was already one of greatness he wanted to be God... What this does prove is that sin started in Heaven.. God IS a God of truly free freedom, he let Satan make his own decisions, he gave mankind his own free will to make their own decisions, he has laid out his rules and has given everyone the same fighting chance to succeed in him. Is God all knowing yes but not in the way that most interpret all knowing to be. God does not create life and just condemns them to damnation, he gives them a chance to choose.
i actually believe sin started in the Garden..not saying ur wrong BBD,but thats my opinion,but what ur saying has strong meaning behind it..so it will be hard to argue..
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I haven't read all of the responses on this thread. But my take on what I have read thus far is that I think that one thing that will sum this whole situation up whether you agree or disagree with Prop 8 is to reference Deut 28. I believe that will say it all.
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i actually believe sin started in the Garden..not saying ur wrong BBD,but that's my opinion,but what Ur saying has strong meaning behind it..so it will be hard to argue..
Sin for mankind started in the garden, the fact that Satan had to be cast out of Heaven for going against God lends itself to the fact that sin originated in Heaven!
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There was a war in Heaven because of sin...
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Lots of interesting responses in this thread. Lots to think about. In any case, don't be found outside of the covering of Christ on judgement day! Do what it takes to make it in! That's more important than anything else.
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My little contribution - The origin of sin
Ezekiel 28:13-16
Thou wast in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was in thee; in the day that thou wast created they were prepared
Thou wast the anointed cherub that covereth: and I set thee,'so that thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till unrighteousness was found in thee.
By the abundance of thy traffic they filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore have I cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God; and I have destroyed thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
John 8:44
You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and has never stood for truth, since there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.
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My little contribution - The origin of sin
Ezekiel 28:13-16
Thou wast in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was in thee; in the day that thou wast created they were prepared
Thou wast the anointed cherub that covereth: and I set thee,'so that thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till unrighteousness was found in thee.
By the abundance of thy traffic they filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore have I cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God; and I have destroyed thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
John 8:44
You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and has never stood for truth, since there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.
in the famous words of woopie *ditto*
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These drummers sho nuff know the Word...
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all the scripture references about how sin started makes complete sense!! but..if God created all things..if He was first, then i think that includes sin too.....of course we have freewill to chose what path to take, but didnt God create freewill? he created everything else didnt He?? im not trying to argue but thats just how i feel, but at the end of the day only God knows 4 sure!
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all the scripture references about how sin started makes complete sense!! but..if God created all things..if He was first, then i think that includes sin too.....of course we have freewill to chose what path to take, but didnt God create freewill? he created everything else didnt He?? im not trying to argue but thats just how i feel, but at the end of the day only God knows 4 sure!
dude....you just said that God created sin.....you know that right?
anyway
God gave us freewill......after that everything was up to us.
How can he take responsibility for what Satan chose to do??? ?/?
all he did was give him freedom to do what HE wanted to do.
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dude....you just said that God created sin.....you know that right?
anyway
God gave us freewill......after that everything was up to us.
How can he take responsibility for what Satan chose to do??? ?/?
all he did was give him freedom to do what HE wanted to do.
yea i know but thats based off of the fact that God created everything...sin didnt create itself, and satan didnt create himself either..God knew what satan was gonna do b4 He created him becuz God is all knowing...so maybe God could have not created satan! but God did create him...
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yea i know but thats based off of the fact that God created everything...sin didnt create itself, and satan didnt create himself either..God knew what satan was gonna do b4 He created him becuz God is all knowing...so maybe God could have not created satan! but God did create him...
LOL! Dude its no use! Ive been trying to get them to see that but I guess they have it in their minds that God is not responsible for the creation of sin lol! You guys are crazy. Have you ever thought about what tempted Satin to rebell? Oh! You mean to tell me Satan was attacked by an evil spirit? But that would mean there was evil before Satan and he is nothing but a body to harness evil, a mere host? Uh yes, because in the begining was God, and God is both good and...ah forget it lol!
"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?" [Lam 3:38]
You see? God's word doesn't even deny what He is lol!
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You know what else is super funny! In the scriptures, you never find Satan boasting about his power because he know's he cant take credit for it! He knows that without God, he is not even the most powerful demonic force lol! He was blessed, with a curse lol!!!
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the bible says everything was created by Him and for Him. everything has a purpose.
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LOL! Dude its no use! Ive been trying to get them to see that but I guess they have it in their minds that God is not responsible for the creation of sin lol! You guys are crazy. Have you ever thought about what tempted Satin to rebell? Oh! You mean to tell me Satan was attacked by an evil spirit? But that would mean there was evil before Satan and he is nothing but a body to harness evil, a mere host? Uh yes, because in the begining was God, and God is both good and...ah forget it lol!
"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?" [Lam 3:38]
You see? God's word doesn't even deny what He is lol!
It kinda brings new meaning to:, "As I walk throught the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil for You are with me." If you're buds with the evilest dude in the universe the heck else you need to be afraid of? Lol.
*goes back to lurk mode*
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LOL! Dude its no use! Ive been trying to get them to see that but I guess they have it in their minds that God is not responsible for the creation of sin lol! You guys are crazy. Have you ever thought about what tempted Satin to rebell? Oh! You mean to tell me Satan was attacked by an evil spirit? But that would mean there was evil before Satan and he is nothing but a body to harness evil, a mere host? Uh yes, because in the begining was God, and God is both good and...ah forget it lol!
"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?" [Lam 3:38]
You see? God's word doesn't even deny what He is lol!
break that verse down sheen cause i dont think that said anything! lol...
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Not to interject race or anything... BUT! Black voters in California overwhelmingly supported Prop 8, but yet there are no reported protests in front of black churches. Why is that??? I'm sure there must be some pretty upset choir directors on the left coast... ;D
God bless
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Not to interject race or anything... BUT! Black voters in California overwhelmingly supported Prop 8, but yet there are no reported protests in front of black churches. Why is that??? I'm sure there must be some pretty upset choir directors on the left coast... ;D
God bless
I was listening to the radio today, and this fool Michael Baisden was blaming Black Christians and putting us down for not supporting gay rights. Thats when I remembered why I dont like him. He claimed that those who supported it were imopsing thier beliefs on others , and that we should all just love each other.
I believe that by allowing it, they are imposing thier views on us and our children, and that the people have spoken, so too bad for the homos! Most people made this decision on thier moral beliefs, and if people happen to base thier moral beleifs on thier religion, then so be it.
just venting......
As for the choir director comment, :-X :-X :-X
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I was listening to the radio today, and this fool Michael Baisden was blaming Black Christians and putting us down for not supporting gay rights. Thats when I remembered why I dont like him. He claimed that those who supported it were imopsing thier beliefs on others , and that we should all just love each other.
I believe that by allowing it, they are imposing thier views on us and our children, and that the people have spoken, so too bad for the homos! Most people made this decision on thier moral beliefs, and if people happen to base thier moral beleifs on thier religion, then so be it.
just venting......
As for the choir director comment, :-X :-X :-X
Yeah I'm not a fan of MB and you know what ... *remembers whose she is*
*Sings*
Imma stay saved
Imma stay saved
Imma stay saved...
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I was listening to the radio today, and this fool Michael Baisden was blaming Black Christians and putting us down for not supporting gay rights. Thats when I remembered why I dont like him. He claimed that those who supported it were imopsing thier beliefs on others , and that we should all just love each other.
I can deal with loving everyone.....but I'm not condoning
that FILTH. The fact that male and male/female and female can't breed should be enough for these people to know that gay marriage doesn't make any logical sense
they can be gay if they want to, but don't allow them to marry like its something normal.
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I can deal with loving everyone.....but I'm not condoning
that FILTH. The fact that male and male/female and female can't breed should be enough for these people to know that gay marriage doesn't make any logical sense
they can be gay if they want to, but don't allow them to marry like its something normal.
I completley agree. By us not condoning it, we are showing that we love them though Christ, but the problem begins when we become too judgmental, and thats really the only thing they have on us.
Yeah I'm not a fan of MB and you know what ... *remembers whose she is*
*Sings*
Imma stay saved
Imma stay saved
Imma stay saved...
What really got me was when a Christian guy called, he put him o the air, and as soon as the caller mentiond Christianity, MB cut him off and hung up on him. I guess he knew that man was about to speak the truth
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What really got me was when a Christian guy called, he put him o the air, and as soon as the caller mentiond Christianity, MB cut him off and hung up on him. I guess he knew that man was about to speak the truth
Yup. That's one of the many reasons why I stopped listening to his show. If someone's views are different than his he'll cut them off, crack on them, and hang up. There were times whwere he would listen to others but they were few.
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Quick question:
If God is good and evil does that mean he has sin? If God has sin how was Jesus sinless?
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God is pure and holy. He is just able to do what we call good and evil.
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Not to interject race or anything... BUT! Black voters in California overwhelmingly supported Prop 8, but yet there are no reported protests in front of black churches. Why is that??? I'm sure there must be some pretty upset choir directors on the left coast... ;D
God bless
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Quick question:
If God is good and evil does that mean he has sin? If God has sin how was Jesus sinless?
It seems that the ones who are saying tha God is both good and evila are basing that on his judgement on people who disobeyed his word. To that I ask... Is God evil because he brought calamity on evil doers?
Sin is not something that can be created. Its just a word to describe the transgression of divine law. Divine means of God or Godly. So if sin is the transgression of God's law why would God then, turn around and do what is evil by breaking his law? God said that he honors his word above his very name.
I think people associate sin with not being nice. God did some prety rough stuff to law breakers. But is he evil for it? Is the judge of the universe wrong for punishing evil?
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God said that he honors his word above his very name.
i quoted the same scripture!!! great minds think alike. ;D
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i quoted the same scripture!!! great minds think alike. ;D
LOL!!
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so after eight LONG pages, we have discussed on whether gap ppl should get married, whether homosexuality is genetic, can gay ppl be christian, and whether God can be both good/evil?? interesting....
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so after eight LONG pages, we have discussed on whether gap ppl should get married, whether homosexuality is genetic, can gay ppl be christian, and whether God can be both good/evil?? interesting....
*cough*seven*cough*
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wow. :o :o well i bet you it will soon be to eight!!
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lol
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You are right bro
A simple definition of sin is this. Sin is disobedience to God word and his commandmanents (by heart and deed)
That is why the Bible can say thou shall not kill and then God can order the anilation of a whole nation because he say so, and if you disobeyed, you are out !!!
Saul had a similar problem when he was asked to anhialate every amalekite 1samuel 15 and beacuse he decide to save some oxen for a sacrifice and spare the amalekite king, God just cut him off.
The guy in the bible who tried to save the ark from falling. Boy!! that brother had good intentions but but those intentions God call an irreverent act hence he struck him down 2 samuel 6:5-7
That is why Jesus constantly said I have come to do the will of
the one who sent me John 5:30 , and his will he did till the end and therefore was without sin. Compare that to Satan.
If Jesus Says the greatest commandment is Loving God with all you heart, mind and soul Matthew 22:36-40 can we all see how we can be commiting the greatest sin.?
Sometimes we are busy trying to point out other people sins whiles we
are not right with God. Lord have mercy!!!!!!
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It has been said on this board that homosexuals are born with homosexuality and since they're born with it God's not going to "cure" them of it. They'll just have to learn to suppress the want for the same sex. Also it has been said that people in other situations who have been born with disablities are pretty much in the same boat.
Just wondering, do you feel that God can deliever a drug addicted baby out of drug addiction? If not how is it that God can deliever druggie out of addiction, but not at drug addicted baby?
Disclaimer: I brought this up because it would seem that a drug addicted baby would be in the same boat according to the aforementioned logic, but the second question is perplexing to me if the answer to the first question is 'no'.
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It has been said on this board that homosexuals are born with homosexuality and since they're born with it God's not going to "cure" them of it. They'll just have to learn to suppress the want for the same sex. Also it has been said that people in other situations who have been born with disablities are pretty much in the same boat.
Just wondering, do you feel that God can deliever a drug addicted baby out of drug addiction? If not how is it that God can deliever druggie out of addiction, but not at drug addicted baby?
Disclaimer: I brought this up because it would seem that a drug addicted baby would be in the same boat according to the aforementioned logic, but the second question is perplexing to me if the answer to the first question is 'no'.
I never saw a baby with a drug problem.
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I never saw a baby with a drug problem.
Crack Baby?
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This is a cool topic!!! (allthough it doesnt really have too much to do with prop 8 anymore :) )
the thing is:
GOD DID NOT CREATE EVIL!!!!
the big problem is that we think that evil is a kind of thing... but it is actually nothing...
The great writer C S Lewis who was a master of apologetics explains evil by using the oicture of shadow.
Shadow is not a thing really it is more a place or space were some thing is missing.
There is no shadow if there is light!
So the basic thought behind that is that evil can only exist when there is good!
The theologian and also apologian greg koukl explains evil also by using the picture of a donut.
Have youve ever eaten the hole of the donut? Obviously not, because it is nothing. It is the place or space were the donut ends or is missing, so to say....
If there is no evil then there is no good aswell
EVIL IS NOT A THING WHICH HAD TO BE CREATED. Evil is the LACK OF GOODNESS/GODNESS.
ok.... thats it so far....
if youre now asking yourselves why evil can exist when god is all powerful then i can answer it aswell if you wish....
btw: i dont want to be the teacher in here and talk down to you or be rude the thing is that ive talked about that recently with some friends and studied some stuff on it..... that helped me a lot since i started to think a bit outside the box...
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Crack Baby?
Bingo!
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There is no shadow if there is light!
That makes no sence. Neither does the rest of you post
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This is a cool topic!!! (allthough it doesnt really have too much to do with prop 8 anymore :) )
the thing is:
GOD DID NOT CREATE EVIL!!!!
the big problem is that we think that evil is a kind of thing... but it is actually nothing...
The great writer C S Lewis who was a master of apologetics explains evil by using the oicture of shadow.
Shadow is not a thing really it is more a place or space were some thing is missing.
There is no shadow if there is light!
So the basic thought behind that is that evil can only exist when there is good!
The theologian and also apologian greg koukl explains evil also by using the picture of a donut.
Have youve ever eaten the hole of the donut? Obviously not, because it is nothing. It is the place or space were the donut ends or is missing, so to say....
If there is no evil then there is no good aswell
EVIL IS NOT A THING WHICH HAD TO BE CREATED. Evil is the LACK OF GOODNESS/GODNESS.
ok.... thats it so far....
if youre now asking yourselves why evil can exist when god is all powerful then i can answer it aswell if you wish....
btw: i dont want to be the teacher in here and talk down to you or be rude the thing is that ive talked about that recently with some friends and studied some stuff on it..... that helped me a lot since i started to think a bit outside the box...
This might make a bit more sense if you said, "darkness" istead of "shadows". Unless you're in a properly lighted TV studio and the lighting director doesn't want there to be shadows...there will be shadows when there's light. (I.E: the groundhog)
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"There is no shadow if there is light!"
you are right!
it doesnt make sense!
I meant:
Shadows do not exist in the sense that they are something. Shadows are rather were light is not.
why do you think that the rest doesn make sense?
explain it to me.
thanx for spotting the mistake tho!
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This was an issue in Tennessee a few elections back.
BEATBOXER said what I been saying that since this has became an issue. Being Black and being gay are completing different cause I can't wake up and decide to be a different race. They need to quit with comparing the civil rights movement with gay rights. MLK and other people died for the rights of people of different races and not for alternate lifestyles that can mess someone up.
CALIFORNIA IM PRAYING THAT EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT THE WAY ITS SUPPOSE TO.
Peace
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Shadow is not a thing really it is more a place or space were some thing is missing
There is no shadow if there is light! Shadows do not exist in the sense that they are something. Shadows are rather were light is not
So the basic thought behind that is that evil can only exist when there is good!
EVIL IS NOT A THING WHICH HAD TO BE CREATED. Evil is the LACK OF GOODNESS/GODNESS.
You kind of contradicted yourself there but you later corrected yourself, I guess that's the part that didn't make sense, lol...
I agree with you though... When God created earth is was dark and without form-- it was void, meaning it was empty and lacked light... the darkness was simply the absence of light... Where God is, there is light... where he isn't, there is darkness, a void... When Jesus died on the cross he felt that void in his heart, which is why he said "why hast thou forsaken me"...
Whoa.....I actually forgot my point while typing this... I'm tired. Goodnite, lol!!!
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You kind of contradicted yourself there but you later corrected yourself, I guess that's the part that didn't make sense, lol...
I dont see any contradiction there to be honest. Here is why:
Shadows do not exist in the sense that they had to be created intentionally, still they are there... If there is no light then there is also no shadow but only darkness.
what do you think?
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I dont see any contradiction there to be honest. Here is why:
Shadows do not exist in the sense that they had to be created intentionally, still they are there... If there is no light then there is also no shadow but only darkness.
what do you think?
Yea, I was tired last night... I had a point but I forgot it... Well what I was saying was that first you said (well you actually implied) that evil is the ABSENCE of good, then you said implied that evil is PRESENT only when good is there... How can something be ABSENT and PRESENT at the same time, you know?
I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but I'm just saying that it's kind of like a paradox, I guess... It wasn't that you were incorrect (as I wrongly stated)... it's just that the actual situation itself is seemingly contradictory, and thus wouldn't make much sense to many people.
But like I said before, I was tired, what
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Got this article in my inbox and I thought I will share this with y'all as it is relevant to the topic
Be Blessed
Deceived by Homosexuality
Being attracted to the same sex was as normal and natural to me as it was for a man and woman to be attracted to each other. I did not want to be drawn to the same sex, but for me these same sex attractions were all I had ever known. I do not think anybody feels elated with the discovery of their homosexual feelings. I think they just try somehow to make it right.
Now, I had two possible choices to make. 1) I could believe I was born gay and embrace my sexuality, or 2) I could believe God’s word that says I was not created this way and there is a way out. Over the years I have bounced between these two choices. The decision that has brought me the most freedom and joys this side of heaven has been choice number 2.
When I was traveling down road number 1, I was deceived and just trying to make it work. I drank a lot, was emotionally a wreck, and I exhibited dangerous behaviors. Suicide seemed to be the only way out of my misery. I was captive to my unwanted same sex attractions.
Colossians 2:8 talks about how we as Christians CAN be taken captive: See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. What God says about homosexuality — NOT the world -- was what I choose to believe.
The world says this is who you are. Do not deny yourself your sexuality. Be who God created you to be. I think this is a lie from the father of lies—satan. The truth, that comes only from God, says a homosexual is not who you are. He wants us to draw into Him and let Him tell us who we are In Christ.
So what happens when we do choose number 1? We hang out with people who agree with us. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 confirms this. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the TRUTH and turn aside to myths.
What is truth anyway? Truth is reality as perceived by God, not the world. There will always be people around who will verify what we want to hear. In fact, the world bombards us every day with lies about homosexuality and how it is okay. I had to make a choice. You have to make a choice. Believe God or believe the world’s view and what your feelings (which lie) are telling you.
Truth verses lies. These battles have been raging since the Garden of Eden. Choose wisely this day who you will serve, the creature or the Creator. The choice is yours and the choice is mine.
God bless you all and may the Lord Jesus Christ give you the strength to make the right decision.
Redeemed,
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Got this article in my inbox and I thought I will share this with y'all as it is relevant to the topic
Be Blessed
Deceived by Homosexuality
Being attracted to the same sex was as normal and natural to me as it was for a man and woman to be attracted to each other. I did not want to be drawn to the same sex, but for me these same sex attractions were all I had ever known. I do not think anybody feels elated with the discovery of their homosexual feelings. I think they just try somehow to make it right.
Now, I had two possible choices to make. 1) I could believe I was born gay and embrace my sexuality, or 2) I could believe God’s word that says I was not created this way and there is a way out. Over the years I have bounced between these two choices. The decision that has brought me the most freedom and joys this side of heaven has been choice number 2.
When I was traveling down road number 1, I was deceived and just trying to make it work. I drank a lot, was emotionally a wreck, and I exhibited dangerous behaviors. Suicide seemed to be the only way out of my misery. I was captive to my unwanted same sex attractions.
Colossians 2:8 talks about how we as Christians CAN be taken captive: See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. What God says about homosexuality — NOT the world -- was what I choose to believe.
The world says this is who you are. Do not deny yourself your sexuality. Be who God created you to be. I think this is a lie from the father of lies—satan. The truth, that comes only from God, says a homosexual is not who you are. He wants us to draw into Him and let Him tell us who we are In Christ.
So what happens when we do choose number 1? We hang out with people who agree with us. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 confirms this. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the TRUTH and turn aside to myths.
What is truth anyway? Truth is reality as perceived by God, not the world. There will always be people around who will verify what we want to hear. In fact, the world bombards us every day with lies about homosexuality and how it is okay. I had to make a choice. You have to make a choice. Believe God or believe the world’s view and what your feelings (which lie) are telling you.
Truth verses lies. These battles have been raging since the Garden of Eden. Choose wisely this day who you will serve, the creature or the Creator. The choice is yours and the choice is mine.
God bless you all and may the Lord Jesus Christ give you the strength to make the right decision.
Redeemed,
Right on man. Good story. This man embraced the truth rather than twisting it for his own benefit.
Homosexuality at the end of the day is paganism. Sexuality is such a small aspect of life, and these gay rights people live and fight for it tirelessly. They literally worship and serve God's creation (the body, sex) and not God, the creator.
Here's my view on whether or not somebody can be a "gay Christian". I say no. They cannot. The bible is very clear that no one born of God makes a practice or habit of sinning.
HERE'S THE KEY TO MY POINT. Please follow.
Later in 1 John chapter 5:16-17 John speaks very clearly about SIN that actually LEADS TO DEATH (separation from God, hell). He makes it very clear that their are sins that DO NOT LEAD TO DEATH, and SINS THAT DO LEAD TO DEATH.
When John wrote this he understood the dilemma that some Christians face. "If we sin are we doomed to death, hell, separation from God?" He makes it very clear that their is sin that doesn't **** us. This is great news for all of us who are truly following Christ because we all are very aware that we have sin in our lives every hour, everyday. 1 John is very clear about this. Those who are believers have an advocate, a savior, Jesus Christ.
BUT, their is sin that DOES LEAD TO DEATH. I believe the sin John is referring is the sin we see in the story of Esau (spelling?) in which this man sinned and was given over to his sin. He sought repentance with tears in his last days and couldn't find it. It's the deep-seeded, habitual, rooted, relentless sin, that actually leads to death.
Being gay is really a lifestyle of worship that completely contradicts God's word and instruction. Those who believe the God of the bible cannot ignore it. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone but to be honest, the gospel we hold so dear is a very offensive one.
I'll end with saying I'm open to listen, learn.
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the word bleeped out above was *****. It was used in a proper way haha.
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It was bleeped a third time!
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It was bleeped a third time!
Didnt you get the list of words we cant say? Well here it is below:
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Didnt you get the list of words we cant say? Well here it is below:
****
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Extremely helpful. Stank you.
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I'm late to this....haven't been on here in a while..I just read all the pages....crazy....haha...I had time to kill at school...I know a guy who went to my high school....he never remembered liking guys as a kid....he used to like girls....and still does....but now since he started in his teens he started liking guys....I don't know...he's a christian too...he was telling me his story and told me that pornography opened doors....thats when he started being attracted to guys....what do you guys have to say about that?
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Like marijuana is a gateway drug, so is pornography to gateway sexual perversion.
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Like marijuana is a gateway drug, so is pornography to gateway sexual perversion.
Weed aint no gateway drug. You watch too many after school specials.
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Weed aint no gateway drug. You watch too many after school specials.
Watch your tone
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not to be sarcastic, but i really have never seen a after-school special. ;D
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Do you have anything to back that up?
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. He created Adam and Eve, not adam and steve. So no people are not born GAY!.
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He said:
To me thats way more confusing than homosexuality. Zak said that God made us in his image, So if a hermaprodite, can be made in his image, I dont see why a Gay person cant.
I can see someone's been taking cookies from the cookie jar way to much. You've been drinking way to much sugar in your koolaid to not understand the logic and makeup of humankind.
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Youre right. Homosexuality is a state of mind. But you dont make the choice to be attracted to male or female. It happens naturally. Sometimes a human being is born with the same sex attraction. I honestly cant tell you why I like big booty light skinned chicks and my cousin likes dark skinned chicks with long hair. Nobody told me what to like. I just started liking whatever I like. lol This is so funny. I think you should take 30 minutes out of your schedual to interview a gay person. Most will tell you they've always been that way. Im not speaking for the one's who make that choice later on in life just to defy society or God and his biblical will.
Have some little evidence that gives more insight against the theory people are boarn gay...
This discussion really first began in 1993 when Science, a respected research journal, published a study by Dean Hamer that ignited a “Born Gay” myth that later exploded into a firestorm. Hamer claimed that Science was “on the verge of proving that homosexuality is innate, genetic and, therefore, unchangeable–a normal variant of human nature.”
In actuality, though, no such discovery had been made. In fact, Mr. Hamer himself (also a gay-identified man) later responded, “environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay…I don’t think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay.”
The Scripture helps us to understand God’s position on the matter, and gives us some insight into the heart and mind of God as it relates to this destructive behavior. The Apostle Paul in writing to the Church at Rome made a powerful statement concerning the “Wrath of God” being poured out against all “unrighteousness and ungodliness .”
He writes in Romans 1:26-27: “For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”
From these two verses we learn a great deal. We see that homosexuality is against nature for mankind. If gay people are born gay, why would God tell us it is against nature?
God said being homosexual is against nature because not one single person ever was or ever will be born gay! It is a lifestyle that people have chosen and it is a sin!
Let me state once more just in case you didn’t read it right: All human beings are born sinners, have a sin nature, separated from God, and have the propensity to commit all kinds of sinful acts! In either case, God still holds mankind responsible for their actions and will someday judge people according to His holy standard of righteousness.
Every person born into this world has the responsibility to recognize his sinful and lost condition before a holy God, repent of his sin, and receive God’s free gift of eternal life through His dear Son and our Savior, Jesus Christ!
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this is from http://blackapologist.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/homosexuality-are-people-born-gay/ (http://blackapologist.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/homosexuality-are-people-born-gay/)
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I can see someone's been taking cookies from the cookie jar way to much. You've been drinking way to much sugar in your koolaid to not understand the logic and makeup of humankind.
Oh just give up and Get a freakin life. I aint goin back in forth with you and your twisted ways of thinking.
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There have been so many erronious responses on this topic I'm ashamed just to even read them. It think I'll wait for God's response when he start's destroying people like he did in the days of sodom and gomorrah.
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This is topic is one of the main reason's Jesus Christ is coming back here to destroy the earth, and everything that has conformed to it. The scriptures clearly states that we are not to conform to the world by are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. People even since the early teachings of Jesus Christ have used Jesus's own words to contradict what he meant. We call those the sadducees and pharisees.
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You theory that we are born gay is so erronious, as we should know say that it would be the norm if our child were to come up to us and say mommy and daddy I like other little boys, but not the guys. I've never heard of that in my case. I tell you what I have heard of is little boys and girls having crushes on each other. The devil's trying to come out of the woodworks on this one.
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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. He created Adam and Eve, not adam and steve. So no people are not born GAY!.
So a retarded kid was made in God's image? Siamese twins? What about a person who was born with both genders? I'm sure you've heard of the pregnant man.
We can't explain why these things happen. Don't over-spiritualize it. WE JUST CAN'T EXPLAIN IT other than the truth we know about sin and it's effects.
Don't be so naive man. There are real chemical imbalances that people will and do deal with.
There have been so many erronious responses on this topic I'm ashamed just to even read them. It think I'll wait for God's response when he start's destroying people like he did in the days of sodom and gomorrah.
These chemical imbalances are no different than pride and self-righteousness. Before you start calling people wrong, just know you are calling YOURSELF right. You speak as if you've "seen the light" that we haven't. I'm guilty of this, and because I am I can call it when I see it. LOVE your brothers, even those weak in the faith. No need to be ashamed your brothers opinions. Say what you want to say in love and hope those that need to learn will learn. No one wants to listen to a know it all.
Again I will say, this lesson is for myself.
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So a retarded kid was made in God's image? Siamese twins? What about a person who was born with both genders? I'm sure you've heard of the pregnant man.
We can't explain why these things happen. Don't over-spiritualize it. WE JUST CAN'T EXPLAIN IT other than the truth we know about sin and it's effects.
I don't think "image" means what you're saying it means here. I'm not sure exactly what it means, but still...God is a dude. How is a full grown female made in the image of a dude the way "image" is used here? There are a few things she has that he wouldn't. Yet Genesis 1:27 says, "So God created man in His own image; the image of God He created him; male and female He created them"
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I don't think "image" means what you're saying it means here. I'm not sure exactly what it means, but still...God is a dude. How is a full grown female made in the image of a dude the way "image" is used here? There are a few things she has that he wouldn't. Yet Genesis 1:27 says, "So God created man in His own image; the image of God He created him; male and female He created them"
I wasn't saying what the definition of image is. I was referring to the context he used it in.
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I wasn't saying what the definition of image is. I was referring to the context he used it in.
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RIF: Reading Is Fundamental :-[ :D
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Just to make sure, the "pregnant man" is still a woman. She still has a vagina but has taken so much testerone she has grown facial hair and her clittoris has grown into a penis-like structure. Sorry for the bluntness. :) I'm trying to shed some light on this weird subject.
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Just to make sure, the "pregnant man" is still a woman. She still has a vagina but has taken so much testerone she has grown facial hair and her clittoris has grown into a penis-like structure. Sorry for the bluntness. :) I'm trying to shed some light on this weird subject.
We need to frame this one.
I'm going to use the "print screen" function on my keyboard.
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Just to make sure, the "pregnant man" is still a woman. She still has a vagina but has taken so much testerone she has grown facial hair and her clittoris has grown into a penis-like structure. Sorry for the bluntness. :) I'm trying to shed some light on this weird subject.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Jlaws318/Coleman_wtf.gif)
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Just to make sure, the "pregnant man" is still a woman. She still has a vagina but has taken so much testerone she has grown facial hair and her clittoris has grown into a penis-like structure. Sorry for the bluntness. :) I'm trying to shed some light on this weird subject.
LOL!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D All it took was three words out of this paragraph and I'm here at work LMBO!!!! :D :D :D