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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: davidenoch on November 13, 2008, 12:35:46 PM
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She's giving the musician instructions as she sings. is that embarrassing or a compliment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbKCWL4GevU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbKCWL4GevU)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfdAWdARYWo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfdAWdARYWo)
if the other does not work
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Well,
I have been told to stop playing for people before, and it does make the musician feel bad, as if they can't play, in which is a reason why if I don't practice with you beforehand I will not play with you now. Musicians do not know every song and we can't play a song the way everyone wants us to play it, especially when we haven't heard the song before, or know how the singer(s) is going to sing the song. to me if I don't know what the singer is singing or how they are going to sing it, I sit the song out, even when they say come on musician help me out, because when they begin to mess up, then the first thing they are going to say is that musician threw me off key or off beat, so it is better not to play for me. I think that since she is a musician she should have got on the piano and played the song herself. No offense, this is just my opinion.
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I dont think that it is an embarrassment and i dont think that she was trying to embarrass tha musicians...there is no doudt that they have heard the song...but this is not a song that most musicians or choirs have just set down at learned....twinkie just has that kind of voice that is so unexplainable...its no different then on her live recording with florida state gospel choir....on the sermonette track when she switched keys and she had to say tha name of the key that she was in so the musicians would know what key to play in...
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I saw nothing wrong at all. Now the Kim Burell clip posted a while back, that was embaressing for a musician, she prety much dissed him
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No, this is not embarrasing at all! She handled that very professionally in telling the musicians where she needed for them to go. As has been stated the musicians didn't know her song but they did a great job! This is why we state all the time on here to KNOW YOUR THEROY as much as possible! I have been done like this before and I consider this to be a honor because I knew chord structure and theroy when the sindres called out chords. Also, as the Bishop states again as to learn ear training cause it will save you from a night of total embarrasment!! ;) AND THATS A RAPP!! Bishop Cole 8)
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That was awesome and not embarrassing at all. In fact i wish some of the people who do those random songs would call out chords for me. :)
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Usually I would agree with spider5, but Twinkie handled it well! That was good of her that she threw out chords like that! But yeah, I would have had a hard time even if she threw out chords cause I play by ear and patterns. I know some chords when they're dictated to me but not enough to do what the musicians in this clip did. They did a good job.
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She should have told Derrick Jackson to play the song. Wasn't that Derrick that went up there to get her to play when they first started playing the song?
I don't feel she did anything wrong at all though. It's actually good that she called the chords out because most singers don't know music and theory themselves and they can't call out the chords or progression so they just proceed to call you out!
She actually gave a compliment @ 1:43 mark because it looks like she forgot where to go on her own song and the musician already knew where to go which cause her to say that they are making here look bad.
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Somebody post the clip of kim burrell dissing the musician
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Somebody post the clip of kim burrell dissing the musician
Co sizzle. I want to see it too.
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I saw the Kim Burrell video, she wasn't dissing the organist, she just didn't want any music at that moment...
Anyway, here it is:
http://www.pagospel.com/Multimedia/Videos/kimBurrellVideo.html (http://www.pagospel.com/Multimedia/Videos/kimBurrellVideo.html)
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She should have told Derrick Jackson to play the song. Wasn't that Derrick that went up there to get her to play when they first started playing the song?
I don't feel she did anything wrong at all though. It's actually good that she called the chords out because most singers don't know music and theory themselves and they can't call out the chords or progression so they just proceed to call you out!
She actually gave a compliment @ 1:43 mark because it looks like she forgot where to go on her own song and the musician already knew where to go which cause her to say that they are making here look bad.
Yes that was Derrick Jackson. He went to the organ after the guy on the piano struggled just a bit. Bishop Cole
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I saw the Kim Burrell video, she wasn't dissing the organist, she just didn't want any music at that moment...
Anyway, here it is:
[url]http://www.pagospel.com/Multimedia/Videos/kimBurrellVideo.html[/url] ([url]http://www.pagospel.com/Multimedia/Videos/kimBurrellVideo.html[/url])
Doc , the Bishop has seen this video before and I just saw it again, just to sure, and I will disagree BIGTIME with you. Kim Burell is known to dawg a musician out quickly as she did on this, BUT she has gotten alot better as of late cause she has really understood that everybody hasn't graduated from Berkely School of Music, AND just bring your own musician to cut down on any problems. ;) AND THATS A REALL RAPP!! Bishop Cole 8)
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Doc , the Bishop has seen this video before and I just saw it again, just to sure, and I will disagree BIGTIME with you. Kim Burell is known to dawg a musician out quickly as she did on this, BUT she has gotten alot better as of late cause she has really understood that everybody hasn't graduated from Berkely School of Music, AND just bring your own musician to cut down on any problems. ;) AND THATS A REALL RAPP!! Bishop Cole 8)
Well if thats the case, then I know to stay off the organ if she comes to my town!!!
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Now granted we've all heard "more qualified" organist that played behind her. But i felt she handled herself well in telling the "bruh" to stop. it seemed as though she wanted the people to worship.....just a thought...
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I listen to the video in both minds such as a beginner and an advanced I will give an assessment on this. If i was a beginner, it would be an embarrassment because it seems as an insult to the player. If you listen to it, it seems that she didn't really want that keyboard player to play for her. Now, for a more advanced player, it is a compliment because just to hear her incite on the pattern of music it is gracious. If it was me and I was the player I would ask for more guideance on my playing like tips and everything because she knows what she is talking about. Right now, If I see her, I will ask as much as possible to help my growth in the ministry as a music and a minister of musician.
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Well if thats the case, then I know to stay off the organ if she comes to my town!!!
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Geez, it seemed to me that the organ player was doing a good job. Even after she discouraged and somewhat dissed him in public by saying," I know you might not be able to play---)". A courteous way to handle it would be to say " I want to sing this acapella and truly worship God without the music" at the onset.
Maybe my ear is not as good as it might be, but I think the organist added to her song, and I just thought he did well.
berbie.
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i think the organist did a good job even though she was harping on him. i woulda thrown my shoe at her. ;D
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I didnt even notice that that was Derrick Jackson. I really dont think Twinkie would try to disrespect one of the Top organist in the COGIC.
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That's one thing about Twinkie, she will tell you if you're doing something she doesn't want done. After all, she is Dr. Mattie Moss Clark's daughter. As for Kim Burrell, I think she did the right thing in telling the musician to stop. She didn't want music at that point, so she politely told him to stop playing for a minute.
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In a nutshell, if you do not know the song, or if you are very new at playing for someone that has a celebrity standing, don't get on the instrument. Be humble. If you can't do it, you can't do it. There is no shame or embarrassment in that. It should motivate you to practice and learn as much as you can about music ministry.
As for dissing musicians...there really is no room for that. Just be gracious, but serious. Be Blessed!!!
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Where is the Twinkie video? I didn't see it.
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Doc , the Bishop has seen this video before and I just saw it again, just to sure, and I will disagree BIGTIME with you. Kim Burell is known to dawg a musician out quickly as she did on this, BUT she has gotten alot better as of late cause she has really understood that everybody hasn't graduated from Berkely School of Music, AND just bring your own musician to cut down on any problems. ;) AND THATS A REALL RAPP!! Bishop Cole 8)
See...that's why when people give that stop signal. I stop. I don't try to come back in. He was asking for it. I've given people the stop signal indescreetly before, and they felt that they "had it", only to get the fool-if-you-don't-stop-I'm-going-to-unplug-you look. I've even unplugged someone before--at least had someone else do it, because I was playing.
But I think she was looking for a little more "fullness", he was laid back while she was singing. It was dragging the song, if you ask me.
I said all that to say: there is no shame in not knowing a song, or even messing up. There is shame in not following instructions!
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I said all that to say: there is no shame in not knowing a song, or even messing up. There is shame in not following instructions!
AMEN to the 8th Power!!!
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Yeah that was Derrick Jackson. I didn't even see the whole video before I wrote this comment but she should have had him play. He is sick. But Twinkie is a little rude though. She is good friends with the organist at my church and she went with us to Africa. She's a beast. Don't get on her bad side. LOL!
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that was kinda harsh but he shoulda stopped when kim said he seemed unsure if she had that much of a problem she should have played herself or brung her organist point blank
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I think she handled it well. I have seen worst. She kept smiling, and gave the person instructions. Like someone mentioned before WE DO NOT KNOW EVERY SONG, atleast I know I don't.
IMPO I think she should have played it herself considering her ability.
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OMG! She could have saved some embarrassment if she would have brought here own musician or played it herself. If she ever comes my way I'll make sure I need to have an emergency bathroom break for when she sings! ;D
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Psht. I would fake-shout off the organ and on into a pew.
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that was kinda harsh but he shoulda stopped when kim said he seemed unsure
Yeah... that was the perfect opportunity to stop... she was practically telling him that it's OK if he doesn't play.
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wow kim burrell is something serious, i gotta Practice lol lol
i would have been so embarrassed but she is a great singer