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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: pianomanbaby on November 22, 2008, 04:12:22 PM
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they both killin but who's got the top in your opinion. Not in competition just in your opinion who has the top?
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I personally love Derrick Jackson because of how he incorparates classical into his playing. He is also very humble. I also like the way he plays the pedals with both feet!
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I personally love Derrick Jackson because of how he incorparates classical into his playing. He is also very humble. I also like the way he plays the pedals with both feet!
yup, playing with 2 feet is a must when doing classical pieces
I like them both. Though Ive never really heard Mike on the organ, and I've never really heard Derrick on the piano.
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yup, playing with 2 feet is a must when doing classical pieces
I like them both. Though Ive never really heard Mike on the organ, and I've never really heard Derrick on the piano.
You've heard Mike on the organ. You just probably didn't know it.
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You've heard Mike on the organ. You just probably didn't know it.
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I can't really say. They both are incredibly skilled, but they both have different styles.
I can't say who's on top because I'd have to add a few more names in the equation for that arguement, but I can say they are the best at being themselves. Nobody else sounds like Derrick Jackson and nobody else sounds like Mike Bereal.
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i love both but i dont even think its close Derrick Jackson is a Living Legend and Bereal is great but not at legendary status
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i love both but i dont even think its close Derrick Jackson is a Living Legend and Bereal is great but not at legendary status
Very well put. I agree. Mike is a beast, I'm sure he would agree.
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Very well put. I agree. Mike is a beast, I'm sure he would agree.
i love both but i dont even think its close Derrick Jackson is a Living Legend and Bereal is great but not at legendary status
If these two beasts of organists say Derrick has is then that's the final word. ;) I guess I'll have to agree with them since Waymon, Mike and Mr.Woodie were not offered in the choices. ;D
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Phil you are too funny! U know good in well my name never belongs in that list!!!!!! LMBO!!! By the way, when is your organ instructional coming out???
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I personally think Derrick Jackson is tops. I just recently heard him play and he's awesome.
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Phil you are too funny! U know good in well my name never belongs in that list!!!!!! LMBO!!! By the way, when is your organ instructional coming out???
LOL!! The name of the instructional video is "Struggling to learn how to play like Chris Woodie, but I'm trying" LOL!!!!
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DJ all the way!!!
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JESUS CHRIST!!!!.
and a second place - Derrick Jackson
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Derrick Jackson. I wouldn't put Mike second.
I'd say Quennel Gaskin as good or better than Derrick Jackson.
Travis Sayles is pretty ridiculous too.
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Derrick Jackson. I wouldn't put Mike second.
I'd say Quennel Gaskin as good or better than Derrick Jackson.
Travis Sayles is pretty ridiculous too.
I'll have to agree with you RJ. I actually think it comes down to the setting for me. Mike Bereal would absolutly be my top choice for a concert or recording, Derrick Jackson would be my first choice for a convention or conference, Quennel Gaskins would be my top choice at a musical or church service, Travis Sayles would be my top pick for a tour or traveling gig and Chris Woodie would be my top choice for skill, technique, reharm, clinics, seminars and execution of ideas. ;D
Like I said they all have their qualities, I like some in certain settings than others though. As long as they all play under the anointing I believe they can all play what is needed.
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I'll have to agree with you RJ. I actually think it comes down to the setting for me. Mike Bereal would absolutly be my top choice for a concert or recording, Derrick Jackson would be my first choice for a convention or conference, Quennel Gaskins would be my top choice at a musical or church service, Travis Sayles would be my top pick for a tour or traveling gig and Chris Woodie would be my top choice for skill, technique, reharm, clinics, seminars and execution of ideas. ;D
Like I said they all have their qualities, I like some in certain settings than others though. As long as they all play under the anointing I believe they can all play what is needed.
History says you're not the only one. I'm sure all the guys listed above would kill on a recording, but Mike would definitely be the best choice.
When it comes to getting work, having the craziest runs doesn't mean much.
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Derrick Jackson. I wouldn't put Mike second.
I'd say Quennel Gaskin as good or better than Derrick Jackson.
Travis Sayles is pretty ridiculous too.
not even close Q. is one of the coolest cats i know but Derrick Jackson is at a level we should all try to achieve and i hope you get it........playing sick chords and runs are nice but D.J. has presence something alot of these young cats havent achieved yet.
Jonathan Dubose has presence and so does Terry Baker
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not even close Q. is one of the coolest cats i know but Derrick Jackson is at a level we should all try to achieve and i hope you get it........playing sick chords and runs are nice but D.J. has presence something alot of these young cats havent achieved yet.
Jonathan Dubose has presence and so does Terry Baker
What does 'presence' have to do with anything? lol.
Man, this ain't a popularity contest!!!! :D
Have you seen Q's DVD?
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I didn't say anything about chords and runs...EVERYBODY who's well-known in the Gospel arena has those. :-\
His ear, his taste, and his musicality is from another world.
But if we WERE talking about chords and runs, Quennel would still be the best out there. Fastest, most accurate runs out there today.
Derrick Jackson is an amazing musician. I'd put him in the top 3 Gospel Organists on the scene right now.
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...here we go...AGAIN!... :D
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...here we go...AGAIN!... :D
Oh no we don't!
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Oh no we don't!
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Remember these our your own opinions so if you think Quennel G is better that Derrick or Micheal hey thats your opinion. I'm just saying that I dont think that he is. Im not really into runs I love hearing chords anybody can run but can your brain pick out them chords. Thats all Im saying. Now he can play yes without a doubt but I just dont think he colder than Mike or Derrick.
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Remember these our your own opinions so if you think Quennel G is better that Derrick or Micheal hey thats your opinion. I'm just saying that I dont think that he is. Im not really into runs I love hearing chords anybody can run but can your brain pick out them chords. Thats all Im saying. Now he can play yes without a doubt but I just dont think he colder than Mike or Derrick.
FIRST of all, anybody can run, but I haven't seen another gospel musician whose fingers are as fast as Q's. Sebastian, who has done videos with PJ, John Peters, Eddie Howard, etc, etc, MARVELLED at his hand speed on the DVD.
SECOND: Quennel's chords are out of this WORLD. Bro. If you saw the chords that Q played on his DVD...... :-X
Once you reach the level of mastery that Derrick and Quennel have reached, all the talk about who's "better" really becomes subjective.
Quennel sounds better in my ears. Derrick sounds better in yours.
Music is not like math. In math there are no gray areas. There's right and wrong. In music there are so many shades and colors. Things that I love you might hate. Things that you love I might hate. Like a fingerprint, two master musicians will approach a song two different ways. You prefer Derrick's approach, which is cool. Quennel even made reference to Derrick on his DVD. As he should. He's an amazing, amazing musician.
Did you get Quennel's DVD? Did you?!?!?!
If you haven't picked it up I strongly suggest you do. You may end up changing your mind. :D
But in the end, neither of us are 'right', because music ain't math.
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FIRST of all, anybody can run, but I haven't seen another gospel musician whose fingers are as fast as Q's. Sebastian, who has done videos with PJ, John Peters, Eddie Howard, etc, etc, MARVELLED at his hand speed on the DVD.
SECOND: Quennel's chords are out of this WORLD. Bro. If you saw the chords that Q played on his DVD...... :-X
Once you reach the level of mastery that Derrick and Quennel have reached, all the talk about who's "better" really becomes subjective.
Quennel sounds better in my ears. Derrick sounds better in yours.
Music is not like math. In math there are no gray areas. There's right and wrong. In music there are so many shades and colors. Things that I love you might hate. Things that you love I might hate. Like a fingerprint, two master musicians will approach a song two different ways. You prefer Derrick's approach, which is cool. Quennel even made reference to Derrick on his DVD. As he should. He's an amazing, amazing musician.
Did you get Quennel's DVD? Did you?!?!?!
If you haven't picked it up I strongly suggest you do. You may end up changing your mind. :D
But in the end, neither of us are 'right', because music ain't math.
To be honest, All I see from Q is really fast hands and great accuracy and timing however from a fundamental point a view most of the things he is doing is more like a showcase or something that would not really fit in a song or a masterpiece if you were seriously recording.
I look at Derrick Jackson and a comparison and contrast with his outake on piano and a organ. Can you see the difference?
Derrick on Organ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfyRerffRQg
Derrick on Piano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Bxda2Bt_s
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I think another good sign of a great musican/organist/pianist is his ability to accompany other instruments. No one is better hands down at that then Dr. Jackson at making the other components stand out. Yes some may say Q, and Mike possibly have a great new intuitive sound but how well do they sound implemented into a band or orchestral choir. ;)
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FIRST of all, anybody can run, but I haven't seen another gospel musician whose fingers are as fast as Q's. Sebastian, who has done videos with PJ, John Peters, Eddie Howard, etc, etc, MARVELLED at his hand speed on the DVD.
SECOND: Quennel's chords are out of this WORLD. Bro. If you saw the chords that Q played on his DVD...... :-X
Once you reach the level of mastery that Derrick and Quennel have reached, all the talk about who's "better" really becomes subjective.
Quennel sounds better in my ears. Derrick sounds better in yours.
Music is not like math. In math there are no gray areas. There's right and wrong. In music there are so many shades and colors. Things that I love you might hate. Things that you love I might hate. Like a fingerprint, two master musicians will approach a song two different ways. You prefer Derrick's approach, which is cool. Quennel even made reference to Derrick on his DVD. As he should. He's an amazing, amazing musician.
Did you get Quennel's DVD? Did you?!?!?!
If you haven't picked it up I strongly suggest you do. You may end up changing your mind. :D
But in the end, neither of us are 'right', because music ain't math.
I agree
Thats probaly why Sjon made a rule in the piano room that states not to campare musicians. No two musicians are alike. And who we think is the best is all based on individual preference
As for Quennel, I've never heard him in an actual service, but his dvd is just plain crazy. I have it in my computer at work, and I'm about to listen to it as soon as everyone goes home!
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I think another good sign of a great musican/organist/pianist is his ability to accompany other instruments. No one is better hands down at that then Dr. Jackson at making the other components stand out. Yes some may say Q, and Mike possibly have a great new intuitive sound but how well do they sound implemented into a band or orchestral choir. ;)
Mike Bereal is great on recordings.
As for Band or Orchestral, I think the "Gospel goes Classical" album that Q played on falls into this category.
Q was also one of the Producers of Juanita's latest album "Pour my love on You".
This is more than just a cat with fast runs. As i said he has excellent taste.
We could really go back and forth on this one, but let's just say that they're all EXCELLENT musicians.
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I agree
Thats probaly why Sjon made a rule in the piano room that states not to campare musicians. No two musicians are alike. And who we think is the best is all based on individual preference
As for Quennel, I've never heard him in an actual service, but his dvd is just plain crazy. I have it in my computer at work, and I'm about to listen to it as soon as everyone goes home!
Yea, that DVD really is ridiculous.
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Yea, that DVD really is ridiculous.
I just wish they would have used a better organ. That diversi sounds horrible without a leslie.
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Mike Bereal is great on recordings.
As for Band or Orchestral, I think the "Gospel goes Classical" album that Q played on falls into this category.
Q was also one of the Producers of Juanita's latest album "Pour my love on You".
This is more than just a cat with fast runs. As i said he has excellent taste.
We could really go back and forth on this one, but let's just say that they're all EXCELLENT musicians.
Im with that lets just say that they are all EXCELLENT musicians just like everyone in this room is an excellent musician.
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What does 'presence' have to do with anything? lol.
Man, this ain't a popularity contest!!!! :D
Have you seen Q's DVD?
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I didn't say anything about chords and runs...EVERYBODY who's well-known in the Gospel arena has those. :-\
His ear, his taste, and his musicality is from another world.
But if we WERE talking about chords and runs, Quennel would still be the best out there. Fastest, most accurate runs out there today.
Derrick Jackson is an amazing musician. I'd put him in the top 3 Gospel Organists on the scene right now.
This response shows me exactly what im talking talking about
Presence has alot to do with being a musician and why some of your local "hottest cats" cant get a gig but let me break down for you
What is a person doing if their presence isnt felt? seemingly just taking up space
heres a list of musicians you should check out
Derrick jackson
Butch Woodie
Melvin Crispell
Terry Baker
Terrence Palmer
Jonathan Dubose
Asaph Ward
Alex Ward
the Neuble (not sure on spelling) brothers
Reggie Parker
Mike Taylor
Byron Williams
All these cats can sit down on their respective instrument and play the simplest songs in thee most simpliest way and still have a powerful and moving ministerial experience
Q. can play circles around half the cats listed on my list and i think he is one of the dopest cats i have ever heard and met but he has yet to make his presence felt, matter of fact heres a real question for you......
What have you learned from Q's DVD????? even on the dvd when asked to break something down everytime he struggled..........and I love this cat one of the few young guys who i dont question integrity about and he will get there but now he's not there and he'll tell you the same
most of these cats if we tell the truth can get cut up and out-chopped on their instrument by alot of other players but when you get to a certain musical maturity you'll understand what presence really is
ill end by saying a school ground/and 1 ball player would rather be in the nba making nba money but they arent so when you can figure out why then you wouldve aged in wisdom my friend
let me end by saying you made a statement in regards to a popularity contest, but the funny thing neither Q. or D.J. can be considered "popular", simply bcuz they are not. so come on i challenge you to consider what i have wrote and not respond in a manner to save face
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This response shows me exactly what im talking talking about
Presence has alot to do with being a musician and why some of your local "hottest cats" cant get a gig but let me break down for you
What is a person doing if their presence isnt felt? seemingly just taking up space
heres a list of musicians you should check out
Derrick jackson
Butch Woodie
Melvin Crispell
Terry Baker
Terrence Palmer
Jonathan Dubose
Asaph Ward
Alex Ward
the Neuble (not sure on spelling) brothers
Reggie Parker
Mike Taylor
Byron Williams
All these cats can sit down on their respective instrument and play the simplest songs in thee most simpliest way and still have a powerful and moving ministerial experience
Q. can play circles around half the cats listed on my list and i think he is one of the dopest cats i have ever heard and met but he has yet to make his presence felt, matter of fact heres a real question for you......
What have you learned from Q's DVD????? even on the dvd when asked to break something down everytime he struggled..........and I love this cat one of the few young guys who i dont question integrity about and he will get there but now he's not there and he'll tell you the same
most of these cats if we tell the truth can get cut up and out-chopped on their instrument by alot of other players but when you get to a certain musical maturity you'll understand what presence really is
ill end by saying a school ground/and 1 ball player would rather be in the nba making nba money but they arent so when you can figure out why then you wouldve aged in wisdom my friend
let me end by saying you made a statement in regards to a popularity contest, but the funny thing neither Q. or D.J. can be considered "popular", simply bcuz they are not. so come on i challenge you to consider what i have wrote and not respond in a manner to save face
...done.
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I COULD respond to every point you made, but.....
Both views have already been clearly expressed, so I'll just Tap Out.
The End.
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This response shows me exactly what im talking talking about
Presence has alot to do with being a musician and why some of your local "hottest cats" cant get a gig but let me break down for you
What is a person doing if their presence isnt felt? seemingly just taking up space
heres a list of musicians you should check out
Derrick jackson
Butch Woodie
Melvin Crispell
Terry Baker
Terrence Palmer
Jonathan Dubose
Asaph Ward
Alex Ward
the Neuble (not sure on spelling) brothers
Reggie Parker
Mike Taylor
Byron Williams
All these cats can sit down on their respective instrument and play the simplest songs in thee most simpliest way and still have a powerful and moving ministerial experience
Q. can play circles around half the cats listed on my list and i think he is one of the dopest cats i have ever heard and met but he has yet to make his presence felt, matter of fact heres a real question for you......
What have you learned from Q's DVD????? even on the dvd when asked to break something down everytime he struggled..........and I love this cat one of the few young guys who i dont question integrity about and he will get there but now he's not there and he'll tell you the same
most of these cats if we tell the truth can get cut up and out-chopped on their instrument by alot of other players but when you get to a certain musical maturity you'll understand what presence really is
ill end by saying a school ground/and 1 ball player would rather be in the nba making nba money but they arent so when you can figure out why then you wouldve aged in wisdom my friend
let me end by saying you made a statement in regards to a popularity contest, but the funny thing neither Q. or D.J. can be considered "popular", simply bcuz they are not. so come on i challenge you to consider what i have wrote and not respond in a manner to save face
So how many services have you attended with Quennel on the Organ? He used to play in NY, and when you mention his name, even non musicians comment on the anointing he has when playing in a service. I've never heard a musician who plays crazy chords 100% of the time, and sure quennel is no exception
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So how many services have you attended with Quennel on the Organ? He used to play in NY, and when you mention his name, even non musicians comment on the anointing he has when playing in a service. I've never heard a musician who plays crazy chords 100% of the time, and sure quennel is no exception
quite a few my friend 1st im from NY so yea i knew of quennel before any wheatworks videos or him playing for bynum, 2nd u can even use Lgm archives to show Q. wasnt really on anyones lips from a a couple years ago and i remember almost a thread a week of "who's your favorite organist" (he did make mines though ;D)
Q. is one of the dopest cats to me (another sports analogy coming kobe is no jordan) and imho thats what i see when Q. is compared to a cat like DJ sorry if that doest rub anyone the right way cuz they are hyped on Q's DVD
i didnt say he was wasnt anointed far from it, he has anointing for real. we so easily confuse anointing for skills and it is possible to have skills without anointing
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quite a few my friend 1st im from NY so yea i knew of quennel before any wheatworks videos or him playing for bynum, 2nd u can even use Lgm archives to show Q. wasnt really on anyones lips from a a couple years ago and i remember almost a thread a week of "who's your favorite organist" (he did make mines though ;D)
Q. is one of the dopest cats to me (another sports analogy coming kobe is no jordan) and imho thats what i see when Q. is compared to a cat like DJ sorry if that doest rub anyone the right way cuz they are hyped on Q's DVD
i didnt say he was wasnt anointed far from it, he has anointing for real. we so easily confuse anointing for skills and it is possible to have skills without anointing
We know Kobe aint no Jordan..but in that same manner neither is Derrick Jackson
Jordan=The best ever, no comparisons (no matter how much people push it) just the man. DJ is SWEEEEEEETTTTTTT but I personally dont consider him to be the absolute sweetest, untouchable, OMG OMG OMG cat ever lol....I mean I like Eddi Brown more than anyboy yall done talked about, but thats my opinion lol
....Its just his season....I distinctly remeber when I ws a young cat every time there was a big cogic convention up my way, Moses Tyson would be on.....then it became Derrick Jackson...pretty soon im sure it will be sombody else.
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I'm still confused about this "presence" you talk about.
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We know Kobe aint no Jordan..but in that same manner neither is Derrick Jackson
Jordan=The best ever, no comparisons (no matter how much people push it) just the man. DJ is SWEEEEEEETTTTTTT but I personally dont consider him to be the absolute sweetest, untouchable, OMG OMG OMG cat ever lol....I mean I like Eddi Brown more than anyboy yall done talked about, but thats my opinion lol
....Its just his season....I distinctly remeber when I ws a young cat every time there was a big cogic convention up my way, Moses Tyson would be on.....then it became Derrick Jackson...pretty soon im sure it will be sombody else.
i think we are on the same page for the most part...................most part
I'm still confused about this "presence" you talk about.
it comes with wisdom and time................ ;)
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well please share some of that wisdom :D
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well please share some of that wisdom :D
Yea. PLEASE!
musiqisme26, you said:
Q. can play circles around half the cats listed on my list and i think he is one of the dopest cats i have ever heard and met
Then you said:
i didnt say he was wasnt anointed far from it, he has anointing for real.
He has the Skill...which means he's well-versed, VERY capable.
He has the Annointing...which means he's not playing from his flesh, but the Holy Spirit moves in his playing.
What is 'presence'? Break it down for us.
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Mike Bereal is great on recordings.
YES. I didn't realize he played keys on Dorinda's stuff until recently. So now I'm shedding to that.
As for Band or Orchestral, I think the "Gospel goes Classical" album that Q played on falls into this category.
I have that DVD and I thought the pianist was SWEET. I think he was reading music or chord charts but his placement was great. The organist was very pocket too. Great placement as well. But I've barely heard of Quennel so I don't know which one was him.
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Its clear everybody is mixed on this topic, that's why IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN STARTED!!!!!!!! :-\
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Its clear everybody is mixed on this topic, that's why IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN STARTED!!!!!!!! :-\
You mean we can't find the answer in the bible? :D
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Its clear everybody is mixed on this topic, that's why IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN STARTED!!!!!!!! :-\
I agree how we go to talking about micheal and derrick to Quennel ?/?
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I agree how we go to talking about micheal and derrick to Quennel ?/?
I brought up Q, saying that I thought he was as good as or possibly better than Derrick.
It was all downhill from there.
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Its clear everybody is mixed on this topic, that's why IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN STARTED!!!!!!!! :-\
COSIGN!!
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Its clear everybody is mixed on this topic, that's why IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN STARTED!!!!!!!! :-\
Right
I agree how we go to talking about micheal and derrick to Quennel ?/?
?/? ?/? Bro....You started the thread. ?/?
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Right
?/? ?/? Bro....You started the thread. ?/?
I understand I started the thread on this topic but I just wanted everyone's opinion on just these (2) musicians. I didnt say anybody else's name.
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I understand I started the thread on this topic but I just wanted everyone's opinion on just these (2) musicians. I didnt say anybody else's name.
I know bro, but that probably will never happen. Maybe that would work if you used LGM's poll system because then they would have to either select one or just move on to the next thread, but I still think that's even asking for trouble. Contrary to popular belief...some people have never heard of any of the organists mentioned on this thread so they will only name the top organist they've heard in their opinion. It's a never ending cycle bro.
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I personally love Derrick Jackson because of how he incorparates classical into his playing. He is also very humble. I also like the way he plays the pedals with both feet!
Co-Sign, Very, Very HUMBLE!
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I know bro, but that probably will never happen. Maybe that would work if you used LGM's poll system because then they would have to either select one or just move on to the next thread, but I still think that's even asking for trouble. Contrary to popular belief...some people have never heard of any of the organists mentioned on this thread so they will only name the top organist they've heard in their opinion. It's a never ending cycle bro.
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I know bro, but that probably will never happen. Maybe that would work if you used LGM's poll system because then they would have to either select one or just move on to the next thread, but I still think that's even asking for trouble. Contrary to popular belief...some people have never heard of any of the organists mentioned on this thread so they will only name the top organist they've heard in their opinion. It's a never ending cycle bro.
Your right locklie1 ;D
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Listen to this audio of Derrick Jackson on The First Noel... and you be the judge. This guy is man hands down...
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/media/albums/userpics/51362/04_The_First_Noel_%28gospelfillup_forumer_com%29.mp3 (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/media/albums/userpics/51362/04_The_First_Noel_%28gospelfillup_forumer_com%29.mp3)
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