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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: bullet1 on December 02, 2008, 03:34:47 PM
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I know this is chord used in Gosepl music alot. I am a beginner and I am just wondering what is the theory behind these 13 chords. Like Ab13 and Eb13. I need to know the theoryy behind it.
ALso those sharp 9 sharp 5 chords. What's the theory behidn it all.
Thanks for the help.
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O.K., anytime u see a chord name with a number, that number is the scale degree that has been added to the chord. So, an Ab13 is an Ab dom.7 chord with the 13th scale degree added. Here's a quick crash course in scale degrees using the key of C:
C=1
D=2
E=3
F=4
G=5
A=6
B=7
Once u reach this point u think it stops right? Wrong, it keeps going:
C=8
D=9
E=10
F=11
G=12
A=13
So, now that we know what the scale degrees are, now u need to know the basic chords:
major = 1-3-5
minor = 1-b3-5
diminished = 1-b3-b5
augmented = 1-3-#5
major 7th = 1-3-5-7
minor 7th = 1-b3-5-b7
dominant 7th = 1-3-5-b7
Those 7 chords are what I call the "foundation chords" because they are the basis for every other chord you will ever encounter. Any kind of altered chord starts with one of those 7 up there.
Now, when u get into 9ths, 11lths, 13ths, #5/b9, etc. chords all u gotta do is add the appropriate scale degree to one of those 7 "foundation" chords". So, an Ab13 chord starts with a dom. 7 chord, then the 13th scale degree is added:
Ab13 = Ab-C-(Eb)-Gb-(Bb)-(Db)-F or simply Ab-C-Gb-F
Those notes in parenthesis represent notes that are optional. That means u can play them if u want, but they are not necessary for your chord.
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Oh yeah, dealing with the #5/#9 type chords, all that means is to take the scale degree and alter it. So, in this chord the 5 would be sharped, or raised 1/2 step and so would the 9th. Example:
C7 #5/#9 = C-E-G#-Bb-D#
The 5th in this chord is G, so it has a sharp beside it. The 9th in this chord is D, so it also has a sharp beside it. It's that simple!
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T-BLOCK YOUR AWESOME. THANKS BRO. I WILL PRACTICE THEM NOW.
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T-BLOCK YOUR AWESOME. THANKS BRO. I WILL PRACTICE THEM NOW.
Yeah T-Block is aight...i taught him everything i know.
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I know this is chord used in Gosepl music alot. I am a beginner and I am just wondering what is the theory behind these 13 chords. Like Ab13 and Eb13. I need to know the theoryy behind it.
ALso those sharp 9 sharp 5 chords. What's the theory behidn it all.
Thanks for the help.
I'm doing a youtube video on those chords soon.
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I'm doing a youtube video on those chords soon.
Please do. That would be really helpful.
Could you do some examples in a few songs. Some people just give you the chords and don't show you how to use them. Take like 3 songs and show how to use them when and where. But play the song through or at least up to the chord itself. I know beggars can't be chosey like grandma use to say. LOL!
Use one or two common songs please??????
Plus your nasty on the keys anyways. I can't wait to see this one.
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Please do. That would be really helpful.
Could you do some examples in a few songs. Some people just give you the chords and don't show you how to use them. Take like 3 songs and show how to use them when and where. But play the song through or at least up to the chord itself. I know beggars can't be chosey like grandma use to say. LOL!
Use one or two common songs please??????
Plus your nasty on the keys anyways. I can't wait to see this one.
I will use very common songs. A lot of passages that people struggle to figure out are using these types of chords. I wouldn't just teach theory without showing where to put them or where the chords are in other songs.
Thanks a lot. To God be the glory.
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I will use very common songs. A lot of passages that people struggle to figure out are using these types of chords. I wouldn't just teach theory without showing where to put them or where the chords are in other songs.
Thanks a lot. To God be the glory.
yeah because your videos are always helpful. WHat kind of board is that black one you play on all the time? Is that a MKS.
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I use 13th chords only on the V. It is such a great ending chord.
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I use 13th chords only on the V. It is such a great ending chord.
They can also be used on the I... for example they can be used to take you to the IV (which in my case would probably be a major ninth chord or a dominant 9th) ... or as a resolution when an altered chord is used on the V
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yeah because your videos are always helpful. WHat kind of board is that black one you play on all the time? Is that a MKS.
I play on a yamaha S90ES and I use it midi'd to a roland mks-20 sound module.
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They can also be used on the I... for example they can be used to take you to the IV (which in my case would probably be a major ninth chord or a dominant 9th) ... or as a resolution when an altered chord is used on the V
Why limit yourself
a thirteenth chord can be played on just about any scale degree
bearing in mind you take care of the melody
for example the sixth degree of the scale takes a thirteenth very well
but usually a b13
but you can play a regular one as well
the two chord can often be given a thirteen especially when you are setting up the V
and please the III chord can take all sorts of treatments including a thirteenth of course normally I use a minor here or a augmented 7th
but a 13th sounds good on many occasions
the four can take a thirteen when you want that bluesey edge
of course the V chord
so we have covered all the chords
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I play on a yamaha S90ES and I use it midi'd to a roland mks-20 sound module.
Oh the wonderful MKS 20. I have to get a mks 20 rack.
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Oh the wonderful MKS 20. I have to get a mks 20 rack.
Yes you do. User Jap250 on here is selling one for $350. He's in Cali. I think the bay area.
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Yes you do. User Jap250 on here is selling one for $350. He's in Cali. I think the bay area.
Thanks. I will try to find him.
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well i'm trying to voice the major13 and a minor13 but still it won't sound as ritch, like when i play the dominant13.
can someone please help me with a example how to voice the maj13 & min13
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I figured out how to make it even simpler. An Ab13 or any 13 chord is the major chord of the chord your trying to create the 13th on and a Major 7th of the note 1 whole step before it.
I don't know but it makes it easier for me. So an Ab13 is a Ab ont eh bass and a F#Major7th on the right. OOOOOOOOOOOHHHH YEAH baby I love theory. Theory just makes feel so warm and fuzzy on the inside. I feel like speaking in tongues. Shondo. T-Block your awesome man.
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I figured out how to make it even simpler. An Ab13 or any 13 chord is the major chord of the chord your trying to create the 13th on and a Major 7th of the note 1 whole step before it.
I don't know but it makes it easier for me. So an Ab13 is a Ab ont eh bass and a F#Major7th on the right. OOOOOOOOOOOHHHH YEAH baby I love theory. Theory just makes feel so warm and fuzzy on the inside. I feel like speaking in tongues. Shondo. T-Block your awesome man.
Yep that is right. This is how i don't bother about cramming chord shapes cuz i just learn shortcuts like these.
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Someone touched on this earlier but....I cant seem to fit a maj13th chord in my play. Now the dom 13th chord i have no problem with...so if anyone can give some advice on where to play a maj 13th or maj 11th wouyld be great. I have the Kirk franklin Hero song book, by the way which is great, he plays a tons of maj 13th and maj 11th chords. thanks Family
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heres a great aplication... in preacher chords when you are going back to the I(one) you can hit this 13th Ab/Gb,Bb,Db,F,Ab
thats probly my most common use of it. but now i use it everywhere..