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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Guitar => Topic started by: Gibby on December 24, 2008, 08:47:45 AM
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I just saw a shout clip with an organist, pianist, 2 bass players and 3 drummers.... ?/? ?/? ?/?
Why on earth would you need 3 drummers!!?? I think I can understand 2 bass players (one for the line and another solo) but 3 drummers is overkill.
Am I wrong for thinking that!!?? ?/?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAFFDRNBEck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAFFDRNBEck)
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I don't even get two drummers. Why on earth have 2 drummers? What are they going to be doing? I can get down with 2 bassists. This just looks like a recipe for chaos.
Then again i suppose what they want is two or 3 different drumlines going at the same time. ?/? ?/?
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This is Bad..Bad..Bad. I do not see where anyone is learning anything here.
Looks more like a Gospel Jamboree to me. Everyone is going at it at one time. It sounds like chaos but some folks will say that they are cooking. That's as bad as a person saying that a bass and a guitar are the same instruments (4 vs 6 strings) and a "guitar player" and a "lead guitar player" can not be the same.
It would have been nice for each person to take turns playing in this gospel jam session. This would allow the kids to key off the other's style with their own style. Like James Brown would say "givedadrummersome..." :o)
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I don't even get two drummers. Why on earth have 2 drummers? What are they going to be doing? I can get down with 2 bassists. This just looks like a recipe for chaos.
Then again i suppose what they want is two or 3 different drumlines going at the same time. ?/? ?/?
Nice strat homie!
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looks like a shed to me...
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if that was how it is during service...find out where the church is...i'll be sure to never visit...
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Nice strat homie!
Thanks man. I love it man...so versatile too.
if that was how it is during service...find out where the church is...i'll be sure to never visit...
LOL cosign.
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I'm impressed. They all kept pretty good time throughout.
I'd jam with them IF I have a couple of 4x12 cabinets and a few hundred watts to power them. ;D
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They are playing after service; I don't think they would use 3 drummers for a song
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I'm impressed. They all kept pretty good time throughout.
I'd jam with them IF I have a couple of 4x12 cabinets and a few hundred watts to power them. ;D
haha....here ya go yngwie, enjoy...
(http://www.yngwiemalmsteen.net/MalmAmps.jpg)
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In my opinion for shouting/ praise music, the more musicians (drummers) the better. :)
Psalm 150
1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.
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Nobody is listening to Nobody ::)!
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Nobody is listening to Nobody ::)!
That is what invariably happens. Dudes are trying hard to be heard.
They are playing after service; I don't think they would use 3 drummers for a song
One question i have is why they have 3 drum sets in the first place. Drum sets are a pain to set up.
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this is a shed . not a service, a bunch of musicians get together and just jam .every musician that comes gets a chance to play sometimes there larger than this . its not a bad thing to have young people in church rather than the club late on a saturday night . but thats just my opinion :) ;)
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this is a shed . not a service, a bunch of musicians get together and just jam .every musician that comes gets a chance to play sometimes there larger than this . its not a bad thing to have young people in church rather than the club late on a saturday night . but thats just my opinion :) ;)
Yup, it looks like everyone was having fun to me.
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I don't even get two drummers. Why on earth have 2 drummers? What are they going to be doing? I can get down with 2 bassists. This just looks like a recipe for chaos.
Then again i suppose what they want is two or 3 different drumlines going at the same time. ?/? ?/?
I haven't had a chance to listen yet, but in regards to the drums; I never understood the 2 drummer thing either, but if you really listen to what's going in in an Allman Bros song (for instance), there are a lot of little things going on that can't be covered with just one dude. Well, on top of that, there's also a percussionist. :o
It can really fill out the sound, but then again that's just one more dude packed in the van... ;)
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this is a shed . not a service, a bunch of musicians get together and just jam .every musician that comes gets a chance to play sometimes there larger than this . its not a bad thing to have young people in church rather than the club late on a saturday night . but thats just my opinion :) ;)
Yep, it's a shed, and I ain't mad at 'em. From what I have heard some churches have multitudes of young drummers sittin' on the edge of their seats, sticks in hand waiting for the chance to play. This is way for some of the young bucks to try out their antlers.
I saw an interview with Fred's bassist 'Snoop' Evans where he said he picked up bass because he was like one of about 20 drummers in his church.
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Yep, it's a shed, and I ain't mad at 'em. From what I have heard some churches have multitudes of young drummers sittin' on the edge of their seats, sticks in hand waiting for the chance to play. This is way for some of the young bucks to try out their antlers.
I saw an interview with Fred's bassist 'Snoop' Evans where he said he picked up bass because he was like one of about 20 drummers in his church.
I tell most young aspiring guitarists that if they REALLY want to get a gig for life, pick up the bass.
There are not enough good bass players around...too dang many guitarists, imho...and a solid bass player is much appreciated.
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I tell most young aspiring guitarists that if they REALLY want to get a gig for life, pick up the bass.
There are not enough good bass players around...too dang many guitarists, imho...and a solid bass player is much appreciated.
5 years into my guitar playing and NOW you tell me. :(
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Funny enough in my church we have more bassists and drummers than guitarists. There is only one guitarist...me. :)
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Funny enough in my church we have more bassists and drummers than guitarists. There is only one guitarist...me. :)
Bro, send me a bass player, STAT!
I got one guy and he's overworked as it is and we're going to two services in two weeks. :o
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Bro, send me a bass player, STAT!
I got one guy and he's overworked as it is and we're going to two services in two weeks. :o
Sorry man. One bassist is a full time bassist and won't move, another is also our drummer and secondary keys player and won't move, the 3rd is also a keyboard player and won't move, the 4th is a pastor and also doubles as the head of our media department and definitely won't move. The fifth is a young high school kid whose parents will definitely not let him move.
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I guess i could play bass but the frets are too wide apart.
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Funny enough in my church we have more bassists and drummers than guitarists. There is only one guitarist...me. :)
The church I attend now has more guitarists (5+) and fewer bass players (2+). The "+" is for aspiring players. :) I think we have (5+) drummers.
To Fenix point, other churches I've been involved or I've witnessed there are more bassists than guitarists. :)
I wonder is there a scientific study on this. :-\
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Bro, send me a bass player, STAT!
I got one guy and he's overworked as it is and we're going to two services in two weeks. :o
Pray and fast that God will give you a bass player. Luke 10:2, "...the harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest."
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Pray and fast that God will give you a bass player. Luke 10:2, "...the harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest."
:D :D
OK this is funny.
To Fenix point, other churches I've been involved or I've witnessed there are more bassists than guitarists. :)
I wonder is there a scientific study on this. :-\
Yep. This is the case with the churches around my area. There are more bassists than there are guitarists. I suppose most people who listen to gospel music will gravitate towards the bass than the guitar as they see the bass' role in gospel much more easily than the guitar's role.
If you grew up listening to CCM, then of course you will most likely gravitate towards the guitar since that is the sound you hear most of the time.
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:D :D
OK this is funny.
God is the Father of lights.
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Exactly!
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Funny enough in my church we have more bassists and drummers than guitarists. There is only one guitarist...me. :)
Same here.
Dm
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Don't forget the converts like me. We have one "church raised" CCM guitar player among us. Since our bass player went to college I have filled in. The guitar is more of a solo instrument. For those who play at home and just want to sing along. The bass assumes there is a band also.
Our other guitar players are another convert to the faith who was a country rock guy, our drummer and another strummer who was raised in one of those denominations which don't allow musical instruments. It is the role of guitar in the general society and the start up cost being many times cheaper, until the recent keyboards, then any other instrument which lead to a glute of strummers if not lead guitarist.
"Gospel music" as a black peoples art form has a slightly different developement path. In the 70s the bass role and players became emphasised while for the most part guitar players were 1. Older blues guys, 2. Jazz guys seen as elitist snobs by the pop community or 3. Guys, "Jimi Hendrix for example" who crossed over to the rock world and are seen as sellouts to the black community.
The pop and slap bass became just the latest innovation that general pop music pick up from "black music" as the bass players took on more of a star role in black bands. In the music sampled today and used for black pop music it is the bassline that the producer is looking to add much more often then a Niles Rodgers driving the beat on rythmn guitar or a guitar solo. Thus specific to the black community in general and Gospel playing churches specificcally are greater talent pool of bass players versus guitar players is available. And black churches are much more likely to have a lifelong bass player, either church raised or a convert who brought his wordly skill, rather then asking the third or forth guitar to fill that role.
Agreed on all points.
In my experience, I've found COGIC bass players to be horribly competitive and snobbish people. COGIC guitarists have always been humble and welcoming though. What is it about the keyboardists and
bassists that makes them so mean? In all my travels I've only met one nice COGIC keyboardist and one COGIC bassist and that's because he was a beginner. It's sad...
When I play I never play at other COGIC churches cause everyone's so stuck-up and there's so many horrible cliques. It's harder to find people to play with than out in the world...
Dm
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Agreed on all points.
In my experience, I've found COGIC bass players to be horribly competitive and snobbish people. COGIC guitarists have always been humble and welcoming though. What is it about the keyboardists and
bassists that makes them so mean? In all my travels I've only met one nice COGIC keyboardist and one COGIC bassist and that's because he was a beginner. It's sad...
When I play I never play at other COGIC churches cause everyone's so stuck-up and there's so many horrible cliques. It's harder to find people to play with than out in the world...
Dm
That is interesting. They do happen to be some of the best musicians that i have seen on the church scene. That probably has a lot to do with it.
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That is interesting. They do happen to be some of the best musicians that i have seen on the church scene. That probably has a lot to do with it.
That may be true based on your individual viewpoint. Personally, I can't stand "noodlers", and that's about all I see COGIC bassists do.
Either way, you would expect Christian players to be nicer... ::)
Dm
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That may be true based on your individual viewpoint. Personally, I can't stand "noodlers", and that's about all I see COGIC bassists do.
Either way, you would expect Christian players to be nicer... ::)
Dm
No no no, forget COGIC bassists. I don't know anything about them. I am talking about COGIC keyboardists or organists. They are, from what i have seen, some of the best around...and this is despite the fact that they primarily play by ear.
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No no no, forget COGIC bassists. I don't know anything about them. I am talking about COGIC keyboardists or organists. They are, from what i have seen, some of the best around...and this is despite the fact that they primarily play by ear.
Now THAT is the truth!!!
The keyboardist at my church has never had a lesson in his life, but he has been playing since he was 5 and he's 18 now. That boy can tear it up like no one I've seen. For years he was the only instrument in the church so he HAD to cover all the bases. Now that other people are stepping up to the musician duties (like myself) it's hard to find a place to fit in with him...
He literally does it all...drums...keyboard...singer...
He is amazing!
Dm