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Gospel Instruments => Bass Guitar => Topic started by: Main5playah on May 03, 2009, 06:19:12 PM
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Is it just me, but why is it that every time we have rehearsal and I learn the song as we are suppose to play it on Sunday, when Sunday rolls around and we begin to minister the song it is totally different, from the intro to the outro.
As a Bass player I truly hate this, the hours spent determining when the right riff should be used, timing etc. I totally understand and accept the fact that the spirit can take over and I encourage that, but it shouldn't totally change the format of the song.
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Its called the holy spirit. It happens to all of us. Its called being able to minister in the spirit. It happened today with me. I've been in situations when we did totally different songs.
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I think he is talking about the fact that the singers mess up things like the intro and change the arrangement and such. I remember i HATED this with the less experienced P&W leaders who would just switch up the arrangement.
After a while you just take it in stride and try to match the singer.
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Is it just me, but why is it that every time we have rehearsal and I learn the song as we are suppose to play it on Sunday, when Sunday rolls around and we begin to minister the song it is totally different, from the intro to the outro.
As a Bass player I truly hate this, the hours spent determining when the right riff should be used, timing etc. I totally understand and accept the fact that the spirit can take over and I encourage that, but it shouldn't totally change the format of the song.
No my friend, it isn't just you. I feel you and know exactly what you mean. It is very disturbing.
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Its called the holy spirit. It happens to all of us. Its called being able to minister in the spirit. It happened today with me. I've been in situations when we did totally different songs.
sometimes it is, but i think there are a lot of times when people just use that as an excuse to do whatever they want to do, or just are clueless about how things are supposed to go. i think more often than not, you can tell the difference between which one is happening.
main5, u not alone by any means. it gets annoying, but sometimes it makes u a better player because it makes u adjust, and it makes u a better person because it teaches u how to be patient, humble and weather the storm.
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Is it just me, but why is it that every time we have rehearsal and I learn the song as we are suppose to play it on Sunday, when Sunday rolls around and we begin to minister the song it is totally different, from the intro to the outro.
As a Bass player I truly hate this, the hours spent determining when the right riff should be used, timing etc. I totally understand and accept the fact that the spirit can take over and I encourage that, but it shouldn't totally change the format of the song.
You are not alone. One of the things I like about one of the churches I play with is that we have a "brush-up" at 10:00 on Sunday, before the 11:00 service. Doesn't PREVENT what you describe, but it does minimize it. There is still the variable of having folks who weren't there on Thursday influence the flow of the material on Sunday.
One of the things I don't like is that lately we've been getting more and more "suggestions" at the start of the service to just drop in somebody's favorite song. This church revolves the choir director role. The late hour changes seem to be happening more with the person who is currently directing. I think she doesn't feel empowered to say "no" to whomever is delivering the word that day. The last director had no problem with that, especially if the musicians said "ain't happenin'".
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its still ministering in the spirit. That's why I never practice where to place a lick. I just play what I'm feeling at the time. I've played licks that I can't duplicate now. Also, you have to look at the atmosphere of the service. I've seen where at the beginning of service where people are praying and the holy spirit comes and people are laid out before the first song is sung. The first song would be the praise song that we rehearsed in practice, but we never do it because the atmosphere is set totally different, and we'll pull out a worship song and roll with it. Although practice is essential, there's a reason why this saying is at the bottom of church programs, "The service is subject to change as the spirit of the Lord leads."
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its still ministering in the spirit. That's why I never practice where to place a lick. I just play what I'm feeling at the time. I've played licks that I can't duplicate now. Also, you have to look at the atmosphere of the service. I've seen where at the beginning of service where people are praying and the holy spirit comes and people are laid out before the first song is sung. The first song would be the praise song that we rehearsed in practice, but we never do it because the atmosphere is set totally different, and we'll pull out a worship song and roll with it. Although practice is essential, there's a reason why this saying is at the bottom of church programs, "The service is subject to change as the spirit of the Lord leads."
+1 on all parts
When I was just starting out, I too was "annoyed" when things would change mid-service but as I grew spiritually and as a musician I began to better understand how the Holy Spirit operates. For the original poster, my advice would be to increase your time spent with God and with your instrument.
By that, I'm not saying that you don't have a realationship with God, but if you intensify it you'll be amazed by how the Spirit can use you even more. I hope that didn't come across as being "holier than thou" lol
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I just play what I'm feeling at the time. I've played licks that I can't duplicate now. Also, you have to look at the atmosphere of the service. I've seen where at the beginning of service where people are praying and the holy spirit comes and people are laid out before the first song is sung. The first song would be the praise song that we rehearsed in practice, but we never do it because the atmosphere is set totally different, and we'll pull out a worship song and roll with it. Although practice is essential, there's a reason why this saying is at the bottom of church programs, "The service is subject to change as the spirit of the Lord leads."
My thoughts exactly. I used to get so upset about changing everything that we rehearsed but I accepted the fact that sometimes the spirit comes in and totally redoes the service and sometimes MOM or P&W Leader just wants to sing something different. You can't control that but you can control the way you accept change and if you accept it in the right attitude and allow God to use you, there will be an annointing that falls on you playing that no amount of practice could give you.
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based on the responses, it seems like my church is the only place this happens where its NOT under the leading of the Spirit. I mean it does happen that way sometimes, but there are times where that is not the case, sometimes where people who werent in rehearsal start saying what they want and dont want to sing and like malthumb said, you have people who seem to be inclined to satisfy everybody and cant say no, or you have people who didnt bother to practice/rehearse/learn the songs and forgot entire sections of songs and was making it up as they went along.
if God is a God of order, then why does the moving of the Spirit seem to be a cliche excuse for disorder?
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based on the responses, it seems like my church is the only place this happens where its NOT under the leading of the Spirit. I mean it does happen that way sometimes, but there are times where that is not the case, sometimes where people who werent in rehearsal start saying what they want and dont want to sing and like malthumb said, you have people who seem to be inclined to satisfy everybody and cant say no, or you have people who didnt bother to practice/rehearse/learn the songs and forgot entire sections of songs and was making it up as they went along.
if God is a God of order, then why does the moving of the Spirit seem to be a cliche excuse for disorder?
Oh its not just your church that it happens like that. Like I said earlier, sometimes people just decide to do thing differntly it does cause dissorder and sometimes even quinches the spirit. That's because people get caught up in self. Example: Yesterday at our choir day the spirit was high and it was one of those get up on your feet spirits but not quited take off and run spirits but our piano player got caught up in his self and decided to start off the shout music. Needless to say, it fizziled out so we moved on to the next song. So is change always spirit driven? Absolutely not but when it is you will know and when its not there will be dissorder. God is a God of order but its when we are led by our own will that things become disorderly.
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sometimes it is, but i think there are a lot of times when people just use that as an excuse to do whatever they want to do, or just are clueless about how things are supposed to go. i think more often than not, you can tell the difference between which one is happening.
IA. Many times people use that as an excuse. Remember, the spirit is subject to the Prophet. Also, the spirit doesn't dwell in the midst of confusion. While I agree that the OP should allow for more spontaneity in his playing, there's no reason why "the spirit" would need to change the form of the song. I've been to many professional concerts, where the spirit moved mightily but, the songs were played true to form.
Maybe I'm confusing what the OP means when he talks about changing the "form" of the song. But, to rehearse a song one way and completely change it when it's being ministered sounds like confusion to me.
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I thank you for allowing me to vent out my frustration, A seasoned saint will discuss matters of such with his brethren/Sisters to resolve the issue. Each of you have provided clarity for me. I know its not about me it is truly about God, I just simply want my ensemble to be in the spirit as well as in concert with one another, understanding the progressions and to some extent remaining within the foundation of the song being ministered. The best sounding choirs communicate with each other, as well as the musicians. Within any band you have strengths and weaknesses, it is imperative to ensure that everyone in the band at least knows the fundamentals of the song. That does not always happen currently were I worship. I've talked with our M.O.M. several times about having a musicians rehearsal so that we can learn each others style and preferences of playing. To date it has not come to fruition.
I ask all of you collectively to pray for me, as I humble myself without selling out myself to be still and patient.
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I thank you for allowing me to vent out my frustration, A seasoned saint will discuss matters of such with his brethren/Sisters to resolve the issue. Each of you have provided clarity for me. I know its not about me it is truly about God, I just simply want my ensemble to be in the spirit as well as in concert with one another, understanding the progressions and to some extent remaining within the foundation of the song being ministered. The best sounding choirs communicate with each other, as well as the musicians. Within any band you have strengths and weaknesses, it is imperative to ensure that everyone in the band at least knows the fundamentals of the song. That does not always happen currently were I worship. I've talked with our M.O.M. several times about having a musicians rehearsal so that we can learn each others style and preferences of playing. To date it has not come to fruition.
I ask all of you collectively to pray for me, as I humble myself without selling out myself to be still and patient.
You are correct about reheasals for musicians. Since you've addressed this with the MOM and he/she hasn't done anything, then I think you should address the pastor. I totally understand where you are coming from. You want everyone to be on one accord. And with that, when everyone is together, and a sudden change happens, the spirit will not be hindered. You speak as a seasoned saint who values his gift of ministry as well as the holy spirit.
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...While I agree that the OP should allow for more spontaneity in his playing, there's no reason why "the spirit" would need to change the form of the song...
Man, you ought to stop by our church; if you trip and fall on the keyboard, somebody will throw in some lyrics and make a song from it. and what's funny about it, some of these "off-the-cuff" songs be sounding nice.
... I've talked with our M.O.M. several times about having a musicians rehearsal so that we can learn each others style and preferences of playing. To date it has not come to fruition...
That doesn't sound like a hard thing to do: try meeting your musicians a little bit before rehearsal or stay back for a little while after rehearsal. I don't think you need to call a meeting with you pastor to make that happen.
Maybe you all could even meet at somebody's house.
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That doesn't sound like a hard thing to do: try meeting your musicians a little bit before rehearsal or stay back for a little while after rehearsal. I don't think you need to call a meeting with you pastor to make that happen.
it can be quite frustrating. after service sometimes the organist starts playing songs we dont even sing at our church. but the whole service he was struggling and fumbling to play the songs we do sing. so to avoid the whole conversation of "why dont u bother learning stuff that u need to know to play here" i just get up and walk away till he leaves and then if time permits i may jam with my drummer. i remember i used to stay but he'd play Byron Cage's "I will bless the Lord" every sunday after service for like 4 months straight (so im like "let me know when ya'll decide to play something else") but then one sunday afternoon we was gonna do that for P&W and he acted like he didnt know how to play it. after that, i was like i cant be bothered with this dude.
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Man, you ought to stop by our church; if you trip and fall on the keyboard, somebody will throw in some lyrics and make a song from it. and what's funny about it, some of these "off-the-cuff" songs be sounding nice.
That doesn't sound like a hard thing to do: try meeting your musicians a little bit before rehearsal or stay back for a little while after rehearsal. I don't think you need to call a meeting with you pastor to make that happen.
Maybe you all could even meet at somebody's house.
That sounds like a skit off of Living Color, Wanna-Hear-a-Song OK-Hear-It-Goes!
LOL, Too Funny!!!
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Main5playah... I feel ya br'er... been there.
I feel what everyone is saying about playing as the Spirit leads, but I also see what floaded27 is saying and think, sometimes the Spirit's {quote} {unquote} leading is a figment of the musicians imagination.
Case in point if the song is in 6/8 and the drummer is feeling led to play in 4/4 -- ahem... Somebody misinterpreted the leading of the Spirit. There are so many aspect to a song, that everyone needs to be on the same page. If there is confusion amongst the musicians, there needs to be an understanding, that we can't all be lead in different directions. If you are not the leader, then follow what the leader has planned to do. If the leader is the one changing things up follow them as best you can.
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I feel what everyone is saying about playing as the Spirit leads, but I also see what floaded27 is saying and think, sometimes the Spirit's {quote} {unquote} leading is a figment of the musicians imagination.
Case in point if the song is in 6/8 and the drummer is feeling led to play in 4/4 -- ahem... Somebody misinterpreted the leading of the Spirit. There are so many aspect to a song, that everyone needs to be on the same page. If there is confusion amongst the musicians, there needs to be an understanding, that we can't all be lead in different directions. If you are not the leader, then follow what the leader has planned to do. If the leader is the one changing things up follow them as best you can.
Ah....the "uncertain trumpet"
Sometimes there's a fine line between "leading of the Spirit" and someone's ego...
:P
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Ah....the "uncertain trumpet"
Sometimes there's a fine line between "leading of the Spirit" and someone's ego...
:P
so true...
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Ah....the "uncertain trumpet"
Sometimes there's a fine line between "leading of the Spirit" and someone's ego...
:P
+1
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I had a long post typed up, but I'll leave it at this.
I hate it to doc, and I honestly don't believe that it's the spirit that leads people to change up entire songs like that.
We can change when we go to the hook, or the vamp, but don't go adding whole different songs and new chord structures in the middle of a song. I don't feel that's the spirit.
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Excellent posts, all. :)
My experiences have not been radically different from most of yours. Let me add this, however: as bass players we have to understand our role in the music ministry. We are not "lead" players like keyboardists and vocalists so our place is traditionally in the background and, for the most part, we are to follow the direction of one of those "leaders" even if it is not where we planned or prepared to go. After service is the time to discuss and resolve any issues that arise.
I recall once on a song where the Spirit was moving and the choir went into an encore vamp. I picked up on it before the keyboardist so I started playing the bass line to what the choir was doing. My keyboardist chewed me out because, even though that the right thing to play, I should have waited for her to start playing first. And once I got over my indignation, I realized that she was right. Then again, our director/MOM should have recognized what was going on and brought us all in at the appropriate time.
There has to be order, even in how we act under the dictates of the Spirit.
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Main5playah... I feel ya br'er... been there.
I feel what everyone is saying about playing as the Spirit leads, but I also see what floaded27 is saying and think, sometimes the Spirit's {quote} {unquote} leading is a figment of the musicians imagination.
Case in point if the song is in 6/8 and the drummer is feeling led to play in 4/4 -- ahem... Somebody misinterpreted the leading of the Spirit. There are so many aspect to a song, that everyone needs to be on the same page. If there is confusion amongst the musicians, there needs to be an understanding, that we can't all be lead in different directions. If you are not the leader, then follow what the leader has planned to do. If the leader is the one changing things up follow them as best you can.
Most Eloquently Stated!
Thank-You!
All I want is for us to be on the same measure of the same sheet of music at the appropriate interval. But it seems that as stated the "Spirit" excuse is abused, I sometimes wonder which spirit is moving them. Not every spirit is of God. I'm just talking about what I'm talking about. Somebody say Amen!
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based on the responses, it seems like my church is the only place this happens where its NOT under the leading of the Spirit. I mean it does happen that way sometimes, but there are times where that is not the case, sometimes where people who werent in rehearsal start saying what they want and dont want to sing and like malthumb said, you have people who seem to be inclined to satisfy everybody and cant say no, or you have people who didnt bother to practice/rehearse/learn the songs and forgot entire sections of songs and was making it up as they went along.
if God is a God of order, then why does the moving of the Spirit seem to be a cliche excuse for disorder?
No your church isn't the only, because we're dealing with this same issue,and it's the musicians either,but the attitude of the MD is that there serving God thru the ministry,and I told him I totaly disagree,because there have been numerous of times were these people were not prepared by ither not listening to thier parts or not showing up to rehearsal
Look I also play with a couple of secular bands,(and btw I'm not trying to turn the thread into that)and trust what I tell you there's 0 tolerence with this type unpreparedness.
Cant and won't have it.
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I recall once on a song where the Spirit was moving and the choir went into an encore vamp. I picked up on it before the keyboardist so I started playing the bass line to what the choir was doing. My keyboardist chewed me out because, even though that the right thing to play, I should have waited for her to start playing first. And once I got over my indignation, I realized that she was right.
what??? so if the other person isnt in tune with whats going on but you are, you're supposed to wait? i understand u should all be in sync, but when the other person hasnt got a clue how long are u supposed to do nothing? we're talking about playing a song, not usurping the leadership of the pastor. while we play the humble role and try to keep order, i think in some cases this stifles the Lord using us and feeds other people's egos at the same time.
but... everyone's situation is different. i can only speak for my own.
...but don't go adding whole different songs and new chord structures in the middle of a song.
u gotta bind that "substitution spirit" lol.
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Great topic! I think the most Beneficial thing we can do is get together as the "house band' and make sure we are on one accord. then the rest becomes easy. Focus on what you know:
1. Someone with authority will request a song you don't know or have rehearsed.
2. the singers will decide to do an arrangement that is different from the one we practiced.
3. someone who wasn't at rehearsal will still try to jump in as though they were.
4. Murphy's law will kick in...often.
So what do we do? I once heard that if you learn the 1 4 5 progression, you could play a thousand songs. So if the rhythm section gets their communication together, knows the most common progressions and lock with one another, then just maybe we can stay in the flow and not get frustrated.
I finally figured this out after I got tired of sitting in the music pit with a confused look on my face because nothing i was hearing sounded anything like what we practiced. So I got with the organist and ask him to work with me. Its been a blessing ever since.
I pray things get better for ya bro.
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kev, we all comin to UR church. lol
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I heard of this one church that had a lot of confusion playing "as the Spirit lead", but once they found out the MOM's first name was Spirit, everything fell in place. ;D
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Its called the holy spirit. It happens to all of us. Its called being able to minister in the spirit. It happened today with me. I've been in situations when we did totally different songs.
In some cases it is. In his case I seriously doubt it.
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I really do believe that there is so much confusion in alot of music departments, because of the awesome power of praising God on one accord.
It's not coincidence that in 2 Chronicles 20 the person who the Spirit of the Lord rose upon to speak our ever so quoted scripture "The Battle is not yours, but God's" was a Levite. If we continue to read that chapter we see, that as the singers went before the army, and lifted their voices worshiping God, that God fought on the behalf of his people... the Bible actually says, that the Lord set "ambushments" against their enemies.
We have an awesome privilege to play in the house of the LORD, I believe that God wants to destroy the enemies of his children whenever his Levites, are on one accord. The problem is often it's more about us than the Lord. The phrase "Get your praise on!" is actually starting to erk me just a bit. Because my praise is not about me, but it's about HIM. I think that as believers once that revelation is grasped, God will begin to move amongst his people in a different way.
One last thing before I step off my soap box. How come the Spirit of God can't lead a lot of folks at the grocery store, or restaurant, or at their child's school, when someone touches their last nerve. But on Sunday mornings from 11:00 - 2:00 all across America, he is leading folks in such powerful ways? (My father always says, pluck that last nerve, so the rest of us can get on with our lives) Just a thought. :-\
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And also practicing one thing and doing another on Sunday is frustrating and can be confusing. Seems kinda odd for God to operate in that way. Still, I get what you're grabbing at. There are times where a song will change because that's where the holy spirit leads it but it's not going to happen on a regular basis.
I could just be the person who starts the song doesn't practice at home so they start guessing what to do and everyone else has to follow.
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There is a huge difference between feeling the spirit and feeling yourself. I look at it like this. The devil was not just a musician he was THE musician. So it would make sense that the one thing that he hates the most is to see you doing his old job.(Jealousy) You being a musician or a singer like he once was, he is able to understand what goes through your mind while playing the most and use that to his advantage. Why do you think that whenever there is drama in a church its generally not the usher board or the deacons. He also understands how influential music can be. He was able to get 1/3 of heaven to rebel. We have to be able to acknowledge his attacks and understand that If there is no drama in your music department at all, it is coming.
This is in no way an excuse, because I wish my church would enforce no practice, no performance on Sunday rule.
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There is a huge difference between feeling the spirit and feeling yourself. I look at it like this. The devil was not just a musician he was THE musician. So it would make sense that the one thing that he hates the most is to see you doing his old job.(Jealousy) You being a musician or a singer like he once was, he is able to understand what goes through your mind while playing the most and use that to his advantage. Why do you think that whenever there is drama in a church its generally not the usher board or the deacons. He also understands how influential music can be. He was able to get 1/3 of heaven to rebel. We have to be able to acknowledge his attacks and understand that If there is no drama in your music department at all, it is coming.
This is in no way an excuse, because I wish my church would enforce no practice, no performance on Sunday rule.
That's deep and extremely accurate!
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There is a huge difference between feeling the spirit and feeling yourself. I look at it like this. The devil was not just a musician he was THE musician. So it would make sense that the one thing that he hates the most is to see you doing his old job.(Jealousy) You being a musician or a singer like he once was, he is able to understand what goes through your mind while playing the most and use that to his advantage. Why do you think that whenever there is drama in a church its generally not the usher board or the deacons. He also understands how influential music can be. He was able to get 1/3 of heaven to rebel. We have to be able to acknowledge his attacks and understand that If there is no drama in your music department at all, it is coming.
Aha! The ultimate HATER...
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Moral of the story is, "Stay prayed up."
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NO, it's not just you. It happens to me all the time. Just this pasted Sunday, I was given one particular Hezekiah song that I practiced diligently Friday nite & Sat nite. Low and behold, we get in church and we did Hezekiah alright, just not the song I rehearsed. But it's been going on so long now, I just laugh at it instead of getting mad; cause it is non-sense.
The bible states that: "everything should be done in decency and in order..." Isn't everything the KEY word? Yes my brothers & sisters, we have to stay prayed up. My wife say be get mad one day one the way to a gig & she made a, me being mad situation; into a bright one by simply saying " It's the GOD in me..." from Mary Mary. Immediately it made me laugh and understand that we have to always let out light shine. So when the nonsense comes about I try to revert back to that moment to ease things out.
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Just another note, this reminds me of why I practice more than just what we are suppose to do on Sundays. I play along with the radio stations and just play with various CDs. This builds my musical vocabulary and allows me to play at the spare of the moment. I guess I'm numb to these situations because it makes me better when I'm able to play at a moments notice and have not practiced the song. I'm reminded of this video posted by the Gouche. If you read the caption on youtube, it states that they didn't practice this song. You can tell that they didn't. But because they are great musicians, working on one accord, they was able to pull it off. So, from what I've been reading in this thread, we all need to put personal feelings aside, practice more on our own time, and strive to be the best musician for God. Even if another musicians personal feelings gets involved, we shouldn't allow ours to get involved. 2 wrongs do make a right only 3 lefts will!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0M9s0s-5RU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0M9s0s-5RU)
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But because they are great musicians, working on one accord, they was able to pull it off.
this is the key phrase. this is the very factor why some musicians can get together once and play like they play together all the time. lack of this is why you have people who rehearse regularly and end up a train wreck come performance time. the thing is some people say "we should be on one accord" but they dont understand that the "one accord" isnt their accord, but God's accord. and truth be told, if im striving to be on Gods accord, but you're on ur own accord, we'll NEVER be on one accord.
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playing an unexpected song is one thing, but changing how that song goes is a WHOLE different thing.
We can all expect to play songs that we haven't rehearsed, however when you get people that want to add their own words and different breaks in the middle of the songs they've gotten completely out of control.
I can respect being able to play songs on demand, but I can't respect when people want to change up songs in the middle of service and they're the only ones that knows how it's suppose to go.
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But because they are great musicians, working on one accord, they was able to pull it off.
The operative word is ONE Accord... Unfortunately all across America every Sunday people who are not great musicians are pulling stuff up on the fly. Another thing to be remembered is a great musician can cover others, instead of making the one who doesn't necessarily know where they are look bad.
What you are talking about are Improv skills, musicians improve all over the planet all the time, and they don't say, it's Spirit led. When all musicians understand they are improving, they approach the song in a different way. The bottom line is some folks be lying on God.
I do feel what you are saying ddwilkins, we should be able to focus on God and do what we do as unto Him to the best of our abilities.
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I guess if you do original songs, like we do often, it doesn't bother me. My P&W leader, who is releasing her first album this summer, write a lot of material. Actually, she came to mid week service with a tune in her head and we sang it that night less than an hour later. No one in the congregation new until the pastor got up and told the story of who his wife, P&W leader, was given the song by God. So, the band I'm with, we do and will change musical phrases within a song because its our original material. But before we do it, we make sure everyone is aware and on one accord, ie. communicate. I don't want anyone to get to feeling that I'm on the opposite side of the fence, but I'm opening my mind to see all sides.
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I understand what ddwilkins is saying. As a musician we must be prepared for anything should the spirit take over.however at times the changes in the service are not due to the spirit they are due to someone's ego. God gave your praise and worship leader a song before you guys played it. That sounds reasonable. I doubt god gives musician a completely unpracticed complicated progression to be thrown in to the middle of the song without any type of warning. In the video you posted they said that they didn't rehearse the song. It did not say they did not know the song. Also in they video they are constantly looking at each other and communicating. Which is a key word. It is what can make a group of musicians into a bad.
So the word of the day is Communicate.
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Whether it's Spirit-lead or ego-trippin', the end result should be to just flow with it.
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So the word of the day is Communicate.
I second that motion.
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So the word of the day is Communicate.
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you are TOO much...ROFL!!!!!!!!!
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playing an unexpected song is one thing, but changing how that song goes is a WHOLE different thing.
We can all expect to play songs that we haven't rehearsed, however when you get people that want to add their own words and different breaks in the middle of the songs they've gotten completely out of control.
I can respect being able to play songs on demand, but I can't respect when people want to change up songs in the middle of service and they're the only ones that knows how it's suppose to go.
OH MY GOD you absolutely hit the nail directly on the head! All I'm saying is if your going to as they say add your personal flavor to a particular song, just let the rest of the band know, prefably well in advance.
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Whether it's Spirit-lead or ego-trippin', the end result should be to just flow with it.
I feel what your saying and to a fault I agree, but remember we all have different levels of musicianship, some of are not at the level of flowing proficiently yet. That is also the responsibility of a good MOM to know your fellow musicians capabilities and to if necessary assist them as they grow in the spirit as well as musicianship.
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That is also the responsibility of a good MOM to know your fellow musicians capabilities and to if necessary assist them as they grow in the spirit as well as musicianship.
This isn't the case at my church. If I was dependant on my MOM to help me grow in my musicianship I would would still be bumping on the root when I play. I think my church made a mistake in giving our choir director/ secondary pianist the title of MOM. I honestly believe she was given this title because she can sing well because she has no passion for what she does but just won't seem to quit or do better. And I guess that's why its so easy for me to adjust to "the spirit" changing things because she cares so little about what she does when she's playing that I can't even recognize the song until the choir starts so I have to go with what she does even though me and the primary pianist have learned the song. That's why I've taken it upon myself to better myself as a musician and bring my fellow pit members with me. Sorry if I got off topic a little. :-\
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I feel what your saying and to a fault I agree, but remember we all have different levels of musicianship, some of are not at the level of flowing proficiently yet. That is also the responsibility of a good MOM to know your fellow musicians capabilities and to if necessary assist them as they grow in the spirit as well as musicianship.
The earth will stand still when eveyone who has the title of Minister of Music, begins to assist their fellow band mates. Fortunately for my, my band leader and I assist everyone. We don't mind because it only makes us better.
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I don't think im going to watch this show any more cuz I hate that key. Let me know when the Ab or Eb episode comes on. I think the Ab one is about Absolute pitch.
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Waiting for the Authorized Transposition version in Cb...
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If you hit your transpose button, the show is in close caption.
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I thought transposing would make it seem like you were watching one episode but in actuality you are watching a different episode.
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ddwilkins,
You are TOTALLY right. That is why I've been practicing more and jsut playing anything so I can be verse enough to pick up and roll with whatever come to "their" minds to play. However, I think that works best with hymns and old tunes. You can't pull a newer artist tune out of the blue (with mad turns & transitions) and just run smoothly with it.
But I do agree, that practicing with radio/and cd to become more familiar with turns & transitions (done in church music) helps us in playing on the fly.
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playing an unexpected song is one thing, but changing how that song goes is a WHOLE different thing.
We can all expect to play songs that we haven't rehearsed, however when you get people that want to add their own words and different breaks in the middle of the songs they've gotten completely out of control.
I can respect being able to play songs on demand, but I can't respect when people want to change up songs in the middle of service and they're the only ones that knows how it's suppose to go.
Exactly.
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Whether it's Spirit-lead or ego-trippin', the end result should be to just flow with it.
+1. And then thrash it out in rehearsal or after service. :)
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I too feel for you. One thing about this "Holy Spirit" thing is that when the Spirit hits and EVERYONE is one 1 accord there is no frustration or uncertainty because YOU are no longer in control. When last second changes occur OFTEN, to me that is a sign of being undisciplined or just plain not sure of what is really going on. I hate when we rehearse a NEW song quick on Sat. and play it Sun. (unless it's really really simple) because it sets the stage for disaster. Just do the best you can and try to go w/the flow.