Just the other day, I was in the mall with a girlfriend and she pointed out a blouse she liked. I said, "you would wear that??" And she said, "yep." I said, "Is that modest?" She said, "nope." So we got into a discussion about what the Bible says about modesty.While I agree with everthing else you said, I think the part in bold hits it right on the head. If the person's quesionable taste causes a stumblingblock for someone else, then they need to change.
Concerning nails, makeup, apparel, and overall presentation for clergy members, I say this: there are different opinions about what is modest and what is immodest. The definition of "modest apparel" can really be subjective. However, there are some things that just aren't modest, no matter who you ask. Four inch, neon green nails aren't modest. Period. That's not even up for discussion. LOL! A skirt that stops just below your butt cheek isn't modest. Period. Also not up for discussion. LOL
So yeah, I think that stuff is "too much" and goes against the Word of God, but a blond weave/wig, sparkly tights, thick makeup, glamour glasses and rhinestones are all a sticky subject because it depends on what the person views as modesty. I once heard a preacher talk about "those Steve Harvey suits" because they have stitching and pleated backs. :-\ But, I definitely don't think those things can take away from a person's anointing. God anoints whom He chooses, and there's no rhyme or reason to it (not one that we can see, anyway).
I know one thing... as for ME... if it offends my brother or sister, I don't mind doing away with it. It just ain't that serious for me.
I would seriously agree, you can reach the unsaved without looking like them. Also wearing somethings bring attention that is not positive. Honestly, what would be the difference between the saved and unsaved then. If i see a woman up in the pulpit or in church with the tightest dress on showing all her stuff with a low cut (in the front) shown bossum... and then want to preach to me I am turned off quickly... same thing I would say if I seen a pastor talking street to me, I will scratch my head... appearance does effect the messege...
While I agree with everthing else you said, I think the part in bold hits it right on the head. If the person's quesionable taste causes a stumblingblock for someone else, then they need to change.
Everything is in bold LL, which part are you referring to :D I'm just joking and I also agree with you and LaRue. Like someone was saying how the second lady I described can preach and sing, but she's so boisterous and flamboyant, that it's hard to see past that...IDK...I guess you can say man looks at the outward appearance, but God sees the heart, but at that same time you should be modest IMO
What if the pastor is from the streets and that's all he knows? :-\ ;D
And I totally agree about your other example. I cannot STAND to see a saved woman in church with tight clothes or cleavage.
I don't know why some women refuse to go up a size when they put on a few pounds. :-\
he should study.... go to school!!!!
I was at church sunday and this young lady was in church with a short skirt on she had hips and backside... I was like what in the world when she walked by me i said no pop locking in church ok she laughed but I was like you need to bring that skirt down about 6 iches and 1 or 2 sizes bigger...
hahahha
Everything is in bold LL, which part are you referring to :D I'm just joking and I also agree with you and LaRue. Like someone was saying how the second lady I described can preach and sing, but she's so boisterous and flamboyant, that it's hard to see past that...IDK...I guess you can say man looks at the outward appearance, but God sees the heart, but at that same time you should be modest IMO
Everything is in bold LL, which part are you referring to :D I'm just joking and I also agree with you and LaRue. Like someone was saying how the second lady I described can preach and sing, but she's so boisterous and flamboyant, that it's hard to see past that...IDK...I guess you can say man looks at the outward appearance, but God sees the heart, but at that same time you should be modest IMOOops. My bad. I fixed it.
Good lookin out, but that scripture doesn't even work for those folks because when you're preaching or evangelizing, you're ministering to MAN... so yeah, God seeing your heart is cool and all, but if man can't hear the message because they're distracted by your outward appearance, something is wrong...
Sounds like that second 'lady' has Jan Crouch Syndrome!!!
:D
Yeah the Bible talks about moderation and I think that covers our appearance as well. That over-the-topness definitely takes people's focus off of the message we're trying to convey.
Check this out for kicks (Disclaimer: this is is not my personal belief) A Pastor I know stated that someone who preaches the gospel (Pastor, evangelist, etc.) cannot be extremely unattractive. He said they are probably called to something else, because someone who publicly addresses people in the name of persuading them of the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ can't be repelling them with his/her looks. ?/? IDK 'bout that one.
IDK either Ness..I don't agree with that. God uses whom He chooses. That person may have an awesome testimony. For example a person's face could be disfigured because they were in a fire, everyone else died in that fire, but God spared their life :-\ I believe that person should definitely be evangelizing IMOThat's what I was thinking, too. The stuff you have control over is one thing, but one has little control over whether their face is attractive to most people or not.
Now, if you talkin about I'm blessed and highly favored and you smellin up the place, lookin crazy not even tryin to be presentable or approachable, then thats a different story :D :-\
A Pastor I know stated that someone who preaches the gospel (Pastor, evangelist, etc.) cannot be extremely unattractive. He said they are probably called to something else, because someone who publicly addresses people in the name of persuading them of the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ can't be repelling them with his/her looks. ?/? IDK 'bout that one.
...if it's based on outward beauty, then I and many others would be disqualified.
But God looks on the heart...
I would just want that particular pastor to define exactly what "extreme unattractiveness" looks like... and then when he's finished defining it, I want to ask him: How do YOU know?
Not to mention the fact that "attractive" is extremely subjective, so what's homemade sin ugly to one may be very attractive to another.
Exactly.LOL, must've needed to be said.
(And that's the second time today I typed something, deleted it, and you turned around and typed the same thing). >:(
Oh and nobody better not come to our church looking like Bozo the clown and not expect to be laughed at... ::). That's what clowns do.......make you laugh!
I believe that if a person was before me with this description, I wouldn't pay any attention to them. Unless..... they got up there and drew me in with their words. The Word they preached would definately have to overpower their outside appearance.
Regardless of what anybody says we are always judged by our outside appearance. That's just how the world works. If you're going to be completely outrageous with your outside appearance and want to be taken seriously, You'd better know your craft.
Oh and nobody better not come to our church looking like Bozo the clown and not expect to be laughed at... ::). That's what clowns do.......make you laugh!
Unless they be in the Clown Ministry!
:D :D ;D :D :D
You can't laugh at Sister Canteloupe
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Yall crazy... :D :D :DI used to have a tape of her. I don't know if she still does comedy, it's been a while since I've heard anything new from her.
And who is this sister canteloupe?? I'll have to see google about her.... I think I've heard clips of her on the radio but didn't know who she was..
long bright nails and each nail had a charm or ring poked through it dangling like a earring.
blonde weave touching her butt
Elton John glasses on
sparkly blue tights with this bright pink shirt,
nails as long as the other lady's
makeup like icing on a cake
rhinestones outlining her eyebrows :D
I used to have a tape of her. I don't know if she still does comedy, it's been a while since I've heard anything new from her.
Yall crazy... :D :D :DShe is very crazy. She kinda reminds me of Madea a little. :D :D :D :D
And who is this sister canteloupe?? I'll have to see google about her.... I think I've heard clips of her on the radio but didn't know who she was..
My question is...(and I am SCARED to ask)...were any of these women COGIC?
*crossing my fingers TIGHTLY*
whats up with cogic? hahah herm ::)We got some that meet and surpass that description.
We got some that meet and surpass that description.
I didn't know you were COGIC Ness...Yea my sister is getting married to a Pastor who's COGIC and when she went to introduce herself to the congregation she was like woooooow those ladies be doin it REAL big :DLOL, yeah, but I don't go to a traditional COGIC church. My First Lady says we're too laid back, lol. But I know the stereotypical COGIC lady does it extremely big. The COGIC saints are like that in Vegas... the MOST!
I believe that if a person was before me with this description, I wouldn't pay any attention to them. Unless..... they got up there and drew me in with their words. The Word they preached would definately have to overpower their outside appearance.
Regardless of what anybody says we are always judged by our outside appearance. That's just how the world works. If you're going to be completely outrageous with your outside appearance and want to be taken seriously, You'd better know your craft.
Oh and nobody better not come to our church looking like Bozo the clown and not expect to be laughed at... ::). That's what clowns do.......make you laugh!
My question is..how much IS too much? Can too much take away from a person's anointing? Can a person's appearance cause people to take them for a joke when they're trying to witness or when they're on the pulpit?