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Title: Michael's Memorial
Post by: HEART-BEAT on July 08, 2009, 12:01:43 PM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the John Mayer performance. What did you guys think of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1LTfm7nry8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1LTfm7nry8)

Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: kodacolor on July 08, 2009, 01:17:32 PM
I was in awe.  I LOVED it!
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: MissMusic04 on July 08, 2009, 01:19:31 PM
I was in awe.  I LOVED it!

Cosign. I was speechless. It sounded awesome!
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: JayP5150 on July 08, 2009, 02:15:39 PM
I've heard a few people dis it... The guy on the radio this morning actually called it 'weak'!

I thought it was tasteful, and soulful.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: Gibby on July 08, 2009, 02:38:37 PM
it was straight.  He coulda played a bit more but it still was good. My favorite part was the intro.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: gtrdave on July 08, 2009, 03:33:41 PM
I didn't watch it until now and it's pretty sweet. Typical John Mayer tasteful guitar playing on a very pretty song.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: ubc_rown on July 08, 2009, 04:26:01 PM
                VERY WEAK   
              Jonh is for sure,overated             
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: ubc_rown on July 08, 2009, 04:29:02 PM
                VERY WEAK   
              Jonh is for sure,overated             
             JOHN
             Why was he,on the program ?/?       
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: jlynnb1 on July 08, 2009, 05:43:54 PM
             JOHN
             Why was he,on the program ?/?       

why not?? he had about as much business being there as Jennifer Hudson or Mariah Carey...

as for the performance...my fav part was the beginning...not my fav mayer performance, but it was aight...
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: ubc_rown on July 08, 2009, 05:51:37 PM
why not?? he had about as much business being there as Jennifer Hudson or Mariah Carey...

as for the performance...my fav part was the beginning...not my fav mayer performance, but it was aight...
.That for sure, not his best.He could have done better.To be honest,that was ter.....I heard him do better.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: gtrdave on July 08, 2009, 07:06:36 PM
.That for sure, not his best.He could have done better.To be honest,that was ter.....I heard him do better.

Yeah, 'cause he was there for YOUR entertainment...
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: Abe on July 09, 2009, 02:31:55 AM
It was cool, soulful and played on a very old looking strat that sounded real sweet. Also, factor in that everyone had the shakes due to the nature of the gathering and with the whole world watching. I'd have to check my "Fruit-of-the-looms" after playing that memorial service.  :)
What you didn't hear much of was the female guitarist (w/PRS) in the background. She can put it down but that wasn't the time nor the place for "Rip-N-Shred".

The MJ memorial service was very well done. I grew up watching, listening and copying the J-5 moves when I played R&B back in the days.

My prayers go out to the entire Jackson family from A to Z.

R.I.P.M.J.!
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: funkStrat_97 on July 09, 2009, 06:54:38 AM
                VERY WEAK   
              Jonh is for sure,overated             

             JOHN
             Why was he,on the program ?/?       

The video kept re-initializing itself so I didn't hear the entire performance, but from what I heard I thought it was really good...especially the intro.  And why shouldn't he have been on the program?  Mr. Mayer, I'm sure, was in some way touched by Michael's music and has the same right to pay tribute to the man as the other artists who were there.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: jlynnb1 on July 09, 2009, 09:34:55 AM
and even though i didn't think it was his best performance, John Mayer is a great guitar player and is in no way overrated.

as far as his guitar, i think that's one of his sigs that has been relic'd. and those 5k(each!!!) amp heads that were behind him better sound good!!! lol
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: JayP5150 on July 09, 2009, 12:15:40 PM
I assumed that he was using some restraint out of respect.

A lot of players don't even KNOW how to do that...

Where was Eddie, anyhow? LOL
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: funkStrat_97 on July 09, 2009, 12:25:08 PM
I assumed that he was using some restraint out of respect.

A lot of players don't even KNOW how to do that...

Where was Eddie, anyhow? LOL

And what about Slash, Jennifer Batten, and Greg Howe?
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: jlynnb1 on July 09, 2009, 12:59:03 PM
and i know a lot of people think she's great...but that orianthi chick that was playing for him does nothing for me at all....
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: JayP5150 on July 09, 2009, 05:19:34 PM
I assumed that he was using some restraint out of respect.

A lot of players don't even KNOW how to do that...

Where was Eddie, anyhow? LOL

I meant this in response to this:
                VERY WEAK  
              Jonh is for sure,overated             

...but I was on my phone... and I can't use the quote thingy.

If anything, John is underrated because most people only know the pop stuff on the radio... rown, go look up his trio stuff...
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: ubc_rown on July 09, 2009, 05:33:41 PM
Watched video again.Sorry men,does nothing for me.Reason i asked why was he there.Was he a  friend of Michael`s?Did they work together.Maybe they did,just asking.Somebody said he held back.Well, he should have stayed home.You do not half step when it comes to the King.Michael NEVER HELD BACKED, PLEASE. ?/?THIS IS MY LAST POST ON THIS.There were more things to focus on that day,than Jonh Mayer perfomance.I like his music,even if he do not write his own music. ;)He is a okay guitar player.Do not make him bigger than what he is.Nothing great about this guy.He is okay,that`s it. 8)
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: dantroop on July 09, 2009, 07:14:08 PM
i thought it was one of the best performances there i allways did like his style  n tone hes also from our part of the woods .fairfield conn.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: JayP5150 on July 09, 2009, 08:18:47 PM
Fair enough, Rown; don't make Prince and Dubose bigger than they are ;)

You know, if I were to play anyone's memorial, I would understand that i'm there to pay respect, not pull out a bag o' flash to make everyone look at me. 'King' or not...
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: ubc_rown on July 09, 2009, 08:25:17 PM
Fair enough, Rown; don't make Prince and Dubose bigger than they are ;)

You know, if I were to play anyone's memorial, I would understand that i'm there to pay respect, not pull out a bag o' flash to make everyone look at me. 'King' or not...
Sill digging that part 2.You know what i am talking about. ;D
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: jlynnb1 on July 09, 2009, 08:40:45 PM
Watched video again.Sorry men,does nothing for me.Reason i asked why was he there.Was he a  friend of Michael`s?Did they work together.Maybe they did,just asking.Somebody said he held back.Well, he should have stayed home.You do not half step when it comes to the King.Michael NEVER HELD BACKED, PLEASE. ?/?THIS IS MY LAST POST ON THIS.There were more things to focus on that day,than Jonh Mayer perfomance.I like his music,even if he do not write his own music. ;)He is a okay guitar player.Do not make him bigger than what he is.Nothing great about this guy.He is okay,that`s it. 8)

how many times did mj collab with Mariah or Jennifer Hudson?? and as far as i know, Mayer writes his own music. i think he was trying to show respect by playing with restraint and respecting the moment...still wasn't my fav, but imho he was trying not to upstage the moment. i was never trying to imply he needed more flash...just that i didn't dig it nearly as much as other times i've heard him play. but let's be honest, most of the performers weren't very good...whehter it was due to emotions or sound issues, no one was great. (and jennifer hudson id one of my fav singers, girl can blow)

and i have to imagine if it were Micahel paying tribute at someone's funerla, yes, he would have held back...
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: gtrdave on July 10, 2009, 09:16:03 AM
I've had to perform at several funerals/memorial services, including those of both my parents.
After reading some of these comments (specifically rown's), all I can say is that I'm glad that some of y'all were not in attendance to tell me afterwards what a poor job I did.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: funkStrat_97 on July 10, 2009, 09:34:38 AM
Look, I don't think that Mayer was there to show the world that he's such a bad *$$ on guitar.  He was there to pay tribute to a musical icon and performed an arrangement of one of his best-known songs as he saw fit.  I don't think that this context is really for us to judge how good or overrated of a musician John Mayer is.  Now he could very well be overated....he might even (dare I say) suck in some people's opinion and that's fine.  But in this case, I think we should leave it alone and focus on the main thing wich was Michael Jackson's memorial service.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: JayP5150 on July 10, 2009, 09:39:07 AM
Dave, I can not even imagine what that is like.

I watched my father play and sing 'Go Rest High On That Mountain' at my grandmother's funeral just this February. This was his mother.

He stood statuesque and faced her directly. It wasn't a perfect performance, but there wasn't one person there left untouched afterwards.

It puts a lot of stuff into perspective...
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: redman684 on July 10, 2009, 01:06:08 PM
My brother and I are huge JM fans.. I think he did a very nice job. Great tone. I really wish he had sang at least a little. I think he was the perfect choice for that song.
 ;D
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: ubc_rown on July 10, 2009, 03:03:22 PM
how many times did mj collab with Mariah or Jennifer Hudson?? and as far as i know, Mayer writes his own music. i think he was trying to show respect by playing with restraint and respecting the moment...still wasn't my fav, but imho he was trying not to upstage the moment. i was never trying to imply he needed more flash...just that i didn't dig it nearly as much as other times i've heard him play. but let's be honest, most of the performers weren't very good...whehter it was due to emotions or sound issues, no one was great. (and jennifer hudson id one of my fav singers, girl can blow)

and i have to imagine if it were Micahel paying tribute at someone's funerla, yes, he would have held back...
Do your research,Mayer DO NOT WRITE HIS OWN MUSIC.. 8)
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: ubc_rown on July 10, 2009, 03:33:52 PM
Dave, sorry to hear about your parents.But,i see you and your buddy Jlynnb1.Never attended or played at a black person funeral.See men,it is a homegoing,and celebration.Hopefully,you goin to be with the LORD.THAT IS CAUSE FOR CELEBRATION.For you guys,to say he was holding back.Man that is silly.Jay-p,how did Prince name get throw into the mix.Prince over- rated?Prince sold out the Stable center,three nites in a row.Mayer can`t sell out the men RESTROOM.THAT JUST KEEEPING IT REAL. 8)That performance was 101 guitar,if that much.He acted as he was afraid to play.Maybe because he never played in front of that many folks,and never will again 8).If Dave said the Atlanta Hawks,won the NBA championship this year. Then jlynnb1, would say they was great.Then Jay-p,yea Shag made them a better team.Hoo-ray for the Hawks. ;)
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: gtrdave on July 10, 2009, 03:42:46 PM
Dave, sorry to hear about your parents.But,i see you and your buddy Jlynnb1.Never attended or played at a black person funeral.

Can you just stop lying and assuming and stereotyping and generalizing and whatever other kind of 'ing that it is that you usually do?

I am trying to have patience and extend grace, but you make it so difficult every time you act like you know it all.
Honestly, if your contributions on this forum are to do nothing but cause trouble and division in the body, I ask that you either stop it or please take that spirit elsewhere.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: JayP5150 on July 10, 2009, 04:05:54 PM
Rown, I wouldn't know the 1st thing about the NBA, and aside from that, there are plenty of things that jlynn, dave and I severely disagree on.

I never said prince was overrated, I just said not to make him bigger than he is, and then I followed it with a wink.

Calm down, and quit trying to tear people down just for the sake of it, please.

I have no hard feelings with you, i'm just keeping it real :)
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: jlynnb1 on July 10, 2009, 05:30:14 PM
that's exactly what i'm saying....i know he was trying to be aware of the moment, and i'm not saying he sucked, just saying it wasn't the my fav performance of his.

and i do think him being asked/hired to play at someone's funeral that he'd probably never met is a bit different than what you had to go through Dave...I can't imagine even trying to play in that situation.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: ubc_rown on July 10, 2009, 06:55:19 PM
Ease up brothers.Just having some fun.Dave you are a super guitar player.Jlynnb1, you got some much knowledge.But,you need to take charge,and be the moderator you can be.Jay,you are a badd guitar playing dude,and really open minded, fair,and honest.Maybe i take things too far.But,that was 101 guitar.If that was Prince,Dubose.I would say the same.I said to myself,those guys will get mad,but just having fun.It`s okay to laugh. ;D ;D ;D ;D I never said it sucked.Not my words :o Dave,you have taken shots at me,i never said a word.What are you talking about?I never said i knew it all. ?/?Okay i will make everybody happy.I going off this site.What are guys going to do without me.Never to return,wait until i leave.Before everybody start to cry. :'( :'(My best friend Gibby,and my girlfriend Kodak?.Is not going to like this.I`m sitting here thinking,what will i miss ?/?
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: SanctifiedGuitar on July 10, 2009, 08:06:46 PM
Ease up brothers.Just having some fun.Dave you are a super guitar player.Jlynnb1, you got some much knowledge.But,you need to take charge,and be the moderator you can be.Jay,you are a badd guitar playing dude,and really open minded, fair,and honest.Maybe i take things too far.But,that was 101 guitar.If that was Prince,Dubose.I would say the same.I said to myself,those guys will get mad,but just having fun.It`s okay to laugh. ;D ;D ;D ;D I never said it sucked.Not my words :o Dave,you have taken shots at me,i never said a word.What are you talking about?I never said i knew it all. ?/?Okay i will make everybody happy.I going off this site.What are guys going to do without me.Never to return,wait until i leave.Before everybody start to cry. :'( :'(My best friend Gibby,and my girlfriend Kodak?.Is not going to like this.I`m sitting here thinking,what will i miss ?/?

I am requesting to hear Rown, Jlynnb1, Dave, Jay and others play a solo jam to this same MJ track to see how they would pull it off.

Personally, I think Mayer did a very good job. 
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: gtrdave on July 10, 2009, 09:55:56 PM
I`m sitting here thinking,what will i miss ?/?

You won't miss anything if you just chill on the attitude a bit.  ;)
You are allowed to share your opinion just like any one of us, but when you start getting into the negative generalizations about people is when I and others get turned off.

SG, as far as the jam goes, if we can find a backing track, I'm all for giving it a go for fun.  :)
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: jlynnb1 on July 10, 2009, 11:07:00 PM
sancitified, i was never saying mayer sucked or that i could do better...just that it wasn't my fav performance of his, and that's really all i was trying to say. now others in the thread have implied that he str8 up was an embarassment, and i couldn't disagree more.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: Abe on July 10, 2009, 11:54:47 PM
The memorial service was not the time nor the place to "show-out". Folks, the spirit was in the air and the performers all felt it when they saw that casket at the foot of the stage. I think everyone song and played with love, honor and respact in their hearts.
However, if this had been in "chuch" down the road there would have been some "sho-nuff-cut-n-up" in the pews. Get my drift?

Now let's move on.

 8)
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: JayP5150 on July 12, 2009, 12:58:14 PM
I am requesting to hear Rown, Jlynnb1, Dave, Jay and others play a solo jam to this same MJ track to see how they would pull it off.

Personally, I think Mayer did a very good job. 

If I can find the time, I'm down for that.

Actually, I've never heard Rown play at all... Let's do it  :)

And, Rown, just so we are clear, I have respect for everyone here, and I don't try to argue (I think when I respond via the blackberry, I lose even more communication skills. It's hard enough just through typing, but if you take away the emoticons... well, then it's just horrible lol).

Regardless, I appreciate the compliment, and it actually seems like you've got me nailed, as I am pretty open to all music, but I wouldn't say that what Mayer pulled out was anything near "guitar 101."

What I mean by that is a young guitar player may be able to play that same thing note for note, but what you will miss is the nuance and control (vibrato, dynamics, etc.). Well, that, and maybe the silly faces.  ;D (besides, I remember you saying once about soloing... and I quote:
     Relax,keep it simple,target notes,tasteful.You are the human being.Master the guitar.You are the boss.Make the guitar sound,and do as you see fit.I refuse to let an instrument,defeat me.No-way,not in this lifetime.The devil is a liar.May sound cocky,but this is my approach 8)IT DO NOT HAVE TO BE FASSSSST

(I added the first bold for emphasis... the second one was there already)

Prince an Dubose are fine musicians, they were just brought up because they seem to be the litmus test around here, for some unknown reason.  ?/?

Anyhow... no hard feelings, but this is a call to all on here to actually listen to each other (er... read thoroughly...)

So, if anyone knows of that backing track, or a similar one, let's do this.

Or, if I get the time and the nerve, maybe I'll finally lay down that 80's ballad thing... but it kinda owned me lol. I'm not gonna lie.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: Abe on July 12, 2009, 06:42:09 PM
JayP5150,
How in the world are you able to type any extended text on those Blackberries? Man, I go into eye fatigue just looking at that tiny keypad.  :D

Be cool  8)
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: JayP5150 on July 13, 2009, 10:37:34 AM
LOL

Abe, it is equal parts gift and curse. My wife hates my blackberry... And I bought it to stay off the computer lol.

I can't win : (
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: funkStrat_97 on July 13, 2009, 11:47:01 AM
I am requesting to hear Rown, Jlynnb1, Dave, Jay and others play a solo jam to this same MJ track to see how they would pull it off.

Personally, I think Mayer did a very good job. 

How about let's see who can pull off the "Beat It" solo note for note.  :)
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: jlynnb1 on July 13, 2009, 11:51:56 AM
no one...not Greg Howe, not Jenifer Batten, not Steve Stevens, not Orianthi.

I'm not an EVH fanboy...he is one of the most influential players in modernguitar, I respect what he's done, that's it. I know he can play but he's never been my thing. That being said, I will contend til the day I die that the Beat It solo is as close to perfect as a solo can be. I don't even think Eddie could recreat it. I've never heard anyone nail it, ANYONE. It's just one of those times where you hit record and magic happens.
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: Gibby on July 13, 2009, 03:44:05 PM
LOL

Abe, it is equal parts gift and curse. My wife hates my blackberry... And I bought it to stay off the computer lol.

I can't win : (


HA!

I want this phone once I come into some money...

(http://img.gsmarena.com/vv/pics/htc/htc-touch-pro-02.jpg)
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: rish1906 on July 17, 2009, 12:50:49 AM
i never call anyone overrated especially if that person could beat me down with 1 finger probally, which i think john mayer could do that to anyone in this forum... rown do u have any post of u playing i would like to hear some :))
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: ubc_rown on July 17, 2009, 06:06:23 PM
                Rish 1906,you want to hear me play ?/?
            Here you go.This is not my best.
           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWLw7nozO_U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWLw7nozO_U)
Title: Re: Michael's Memorial
Post by: ubc_rown on July 17, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Hey just the way i feel.The more i learn about the guitar.The less i am impressed,with some of our guitar greats.Even in that Stevie R. clip.He is feeding off that one riff,through-out the entire song.But,he is the man.He is for sure in my top five.My top five is.
                 1.Prince
                 2.Stevie
                 3.Dave
                 4.Jay-p
                 5.jlynnb1