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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: waydrummer on January 09, 2005, 03:06:55 PM
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I just wanna know how come alot of organists don't want to show people tight stuff too? Yeah they will show you songs, but it seems like they want to hide the tight stuff. Its like they are scared you will "steal" it from them.
Even on websites, they will show chords but they are just not the phat progressions and runs. Does any one know what I'm talkin bout?
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I think because, in a forum like this, most of the people asking are beginners, so they won't be able to play or won't understand it anyway.
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I just wanna know how come alot of organists don't want to show people tight stuff too? Yeah they will show you songs, but it seems like they want to hide the tight stuff. Its like they are scared you will "steal" it from them.
Even on websites, they will show chords but they are just not the phat progressions and runs. Does any one know what I'm talkin bout?
a lot of stuff happens in actual times, a lot of organists cant seem to really write it down! but we can teach you how to do it!
then you can creat ya own phat stuff!
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I think that "in person" organist dont show you anything because they are insecure.
"On websites", I think that you can find really good stuff, but its really not what they give, its how you play it. If you type of a progression and give it to 1000 organist, they will play it 1000 different ways.
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Also, if these 'phat' progressions are what is making that organist great and on top, they want to remain great and on top...so they will show you the water down version. However, Im blessed to not have any of those types of organists around me...lol
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If you are looking for something special - there are plenty of musicians on here (you could order from) that could make you a specialized tape.
Joy
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Speaking of tape if you know u goin somewhere that there is a real good organist...take a tape recorder with you and try to get it that way....they get protective on what they want to show but the tape never lies!!
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Speaking of tape if you know u goin somewhere that there is a real good organist...take a tape recorder with you and try to get it that way....they get protective on what they want to show but the tape never lies!!
Thats how I learned...I still do that all the time. thats a great Idea and you can learn whatever you want to off of the tapes
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I've gone digital. I have an mp3 recorder. :)
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Thanks for the post I think I'll get a mini disc recorder!
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let me give some musicians alittle advice to live by? let me ask a question? if you where hungry havent eaten all day and you finally get your hands on a bag of chips, do you REALLY want to share them with someone who asks for some? the answer is no!! and why? because the truth being, its all you have! The same goes for musicians! If a musician is not willing to show you the "tight chords", is because its, all he has is his few tight chords! And if this is the case the musician is really not that good! You can be a good basketball dribbler doesnt mean your ready for the NBA! A good musician has more than a few tight chords, he is well versed, well trained on all aspects of his craft not just afew tight chords! Im a pro musician im also a Jazz degreed musician. I can tell in the first 30 seconds if someone is a good musician, or a not so good one, but is "faking the funk" so to speak! Point 1 if a musician sits on the organ and plays every scale he knows in a 30 sec time frame, he is a "faker" A good musician would never do this and why, theres no need too. Agood musician is heard, not shown. You dont have to prove to any one you are good, it will be heard if its there! Some of your greatest compliments will come at a time when you just play from your gift and not your flesh and you recieve a compliment in a time you was not looking for one. So many younger musicians play for compliments. So my advice as a teacher professional, is to learn all aspects of your craft, not just a few "tight chords" you can show off with and impress! Ive played as a freelance musician for 12 years with some of gospels and Jazzbiggest names! Im coming off a 6 month tour with Dave Koz! Let me tell all aspiring pro's a secret. Artist dont care how many chords you know? THe fancy chords arent as important as you think, what is important to them is"foundation, and accuracy playing the correct chords! I know chords inside out i have a music degree, and when playing jazz and other gigs i play i do branch out with nice chords, but it is more important to play the correct chords than "tight chords" tight chords gets you seen and noticed by your peers, correct chords and playing disicpline gets you noticed by the people than can put you some where with your music! Keep this at mind and heart and you will achieve great things, good luck to all!!
Play because you love christ, dont love christ because you can play!
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I just wanted to say that am a fairly new musician (drums, 3 yrs, guitar, 1 yr, piano/keyboard, 1 yr) and I don't think that anything posted on these type of sites is hard to understand or play. After all, 'I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.' Maybe I'm blessed with a mind to comprehend music, but I think it's easy and fun. I just can't find people willing to let me know these supposed 'outrageous' chords and progressions for jammin' songs. Newbies know a lot more than what you think.
In Christ,
Lee
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I've gone digital. I have an mp3 recorder. :)
Analog is better!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Just playing...What kind of mp3 recorder you have?
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yes I know what you're talking about. I'm having some issues with getting feedback mylef. I guess maybe they're just lazy. Who knows. They might even be keeping thight chords and progressions from people because they mat think that they're giving away gold. But some musicians have some level inwhich they will not permit themselves to share information. It's wrong to do this but a lot of musicians are like that.........
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I'm not one of those musicians, and I hear what you folks are saying, being new myself.
Now, there are times in our development, where someone tosses us a bone that gives us a big break through to the next level, this is true.
But for the most part, at least in my experience, we sit on a wealth of knowledge without really getting it into our fingers. We have got to work hard at what we already know... practice it, pray on it, learn to use it in ways that the people giving it to us, haven't even thought of.
Try it, you'll be surprised. You might come up with some 'phat' chords of your own... and then you can keep them to yourself! :D
Sites like this are great, but we have to watch out, because we can end up spending too much time online, and not enough time practiciing!
God bless,
Eggs
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Perfect the basics! Apply yourself to your gift and you will increase in knowledge and ability! Understand the music and you will be able to create your own phat chords as stated earlier. Once I started studying music theory and I began to understand the music, then I started becoming very creative with my own stuff. At that point, I did'nt want too many people showing me stuff. I get a better feel of accomplishment when I learn it on my own! Music can be taught but styles are developed!
I don't consider myself to be the best that there is. In fact I know I'm not but I see myself developing a style of my own that is mine by way of developement and being creative. Practice!
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Knowing or watching tight chords will do you no good if you don't know how to go into the chord and how to come out of the chord.
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I know that that. I know the basics. I just need some one to show me
different chord arrangements.
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I support and agree with all that has been posted about why this occurs and how to improve your own music, but let's just be real with waydrummer. There are just some selfish musicians out here. Let me tell you all a true story. I was once at a choir's anniversary and I just happened to admire another musician' playing style. (He had some phat chords). Don't you know that man bent over the organ so I couldn't see his fingering. But when the brother found out that I had a B3, piano & drum set in my living room he wanted to hang out & practice with me!
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Thank You might point exactly!
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I can totally understand the issue that's at hand in this forum. But, I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret. Tight chords are simply two things: Theory & Inversion. That's it. Now, I will admit, it's going to take some patience to learn a little theory, but even a LITTLE theory will enhance your playing in ways you would not understand. And with music being nothing but Math anyway, try to develop a simple formula that will enable you to be versitle in various keys.
Now, on a personal note, I've played with Timothy Wright's sons and I'm here to tell you, if ANYONE deserves to be selfish, it's those cats. They were in Mississippi for a concert and the concert was over around 10 or 10:30. They had to catch a flight in Memphis, which is a 3 hour drive fromwhere we were. Them cats stayed at the church an extra 90 minutes and showed me and some other musicians some chords that they played during the concert. I was able to hang with them, but once the re-mixes started up, it was all over.
It is discouraging to find musicians that are willing to help you so here are a couple of other pointers to help you out.
1. Go to EVERY musical, concert, program in your city. I guarantee you will pick up something, or find someone that will help you out.
2. I'm quite sure just like in Jackson, there are about 7 or 8 musicians that play for EVERY choir in your city. (I call them the Pinnacle Players) These musicians live and breathe music from sunrise to sunset. Ask them every question you can and you'll be amazed as to what they tell you. (you should be able to find these musicians at EVERY musical, concert, program in your city)
3. I strongly encourage you hook up with someone that either understands or has taken classes in theory. You'll cut your learning time not in half but in 2/3!!!
4. You'll probably have to spend some money, but you'll have to do what it takes to make sure you surround yourself with every musical enhancement you can. (CD's, tapes, DVD, etc.) Gospel music is LEADING the industry in musicianship. You cannot tell me ONE "worldy" musician that can touch us.
5. Always be in the mindstate that you know nothing. That way you will always continue your learning process. People come up to me now saying well of a musician I am and sometimes, I wonder who they talking to, because I remember a time when I wasn't so good, and now, I can't even explain why people OUT OF TOWN know who I am.
I hope I have helped whoever I can in this matter. Y'all stay Blessed!
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Thanks
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...I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU CALL TIGHT...BUT IN THE CHORDS AND LESSON SECTIONS THERE ARE TONS OF EXTREEMLY PHAT CHORDS AND PROGRESSIONS!!!
WHAT I DID WAS MADE A BLANK KEYBOARD TEMPLATE ON MY COMPUTER AND MADE CHARTS OF THE CHORDS I LIKED....
THERE IS SOME INCREADIBLE STUFF IN THOSE SECTIONS!
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What's up MoM (Ministers of Music)? I really am impressed with some of the remarks concerning Why want musicians show chords. Chicagoflava pointed out that some musicians are only "tight chords"...which really want get them anywhere. I am president and founder of Kingdom Musicians Association, Inc. in Hammond, LA and I have found through the word that we should help perfect each other in our endeavors to win souls to Christ (Eph 4:12). One of my purposes is to Associate musicians together to accomplish the job creating an atmosphere of praise and worship. The question is are you humble enough to help your brother out? But don't get me wrong I have worked with some musicians who turned me off by there super eggo additude and I find myself helping them through words of correction. Overall, this is a race and the bible says if one win then we all should celebrate.
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let me give some musicians alittle advice to live by? let me ask a question? if you where hungry havent eaten all day and you finally get your hands on a bag of chips, do you REALLY want to share them with someone who asks for some? the answer is no!! and why? because the truth being, its all you have! The same goes for musicians! If a musician is not willing to show you the "tight chords", is because its, all he has is his few tight chords! And if this is the case the musician is really not that good! You can be a good basketball dribbler doesnt mean your ready for the NBA! A good musician has more than a few tight chords, he is well versed, well trained on all aspects of his craft not just afew tight chords! Im a pro musician im also a Jazz degreed musician. I can tell in the first 30 seconds if someone is a good musician, or a not so good one, but is "faking the funk" so to speak! Point 1 if a musician sits on the organ and plays every scale he knows in a 30 sec time frame, he is a "faker" A good musician would never do this and why, theres no need too. Agood musician is heard, not shown. You dont have to prove to any one you are good, it will be heard if its there! Some of your greatest compliments will come at a time when you just play from your gift and not your flesh and you recieve a compliment in a time you was not looking for one. So many younger musicians play for compliments. So my advice as a teacher professional, is to learn all aspects of your craft, not just a few "tight chords" you can show off with and impress! Ive played as a freelance musician for 12 years with some of gospels and Jazzbiggest names! Im coming off a 6 month tour with Dave Koz! Let me tell all aspiring pro's a secret. Artist dont care how many chords you know? THe fancy chords arent as important as you think, what is important to them is"foundation, and accuracy playing the correct chords! I know chords inside out i have a music degree, and when playing jazz and other gigs i play i do branch out with nice chords, but it is more important to play the correct chords than "tight chords" tight chords gets you seen and noticed by your peers, correct chords and playing disicpline gets you noticed by the people than can put you some where with your music! Keep this at mind and heart and you will achieve great things, good luck to all!!
Play because you love christ, dont love christ because you can play!
AMEN CHI
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I concur with all the replies. There are some musicians that would never share anything with you. Then there are some musicians that just don't have the patience to teach anyone else. And there are a few out there that have this prima dona attitude that if you're not at their level you are just beneath them. Personally anybody that has that haughty spirit about them I wouldn't want to learn much from them any way because of their spirit.
Then there are some tremendousily gifted musicians out there that just can not teach anyone. And not because they are nasty or selfish. I have meet some that just don't what they do. They play purely out of their gift and have little or no understanding whatsoever of what they are doing.
But thank God there are musicians online and otherwise who will be more than happy to help. But remember scales, chords and progressions are the foundation of our musicianship and yes that is a commendable desire to play skillfully before the Lord. But it is through the Spirit that takes the gift that He has put in you and then magnifies it.
But like was meantioned before thank God for sites like this where we that have more open minds and willingness to share and learn from each other. Keep up the good work y'all! :)
God Bless!
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Musicians wont show tight chords/runs/progressions for one reason. Thats what keeps them on top and keeps them the BIG BOY. So why would they want to show off their tight chords to put someone else on top.
Now me, I dont have anything super tight, but what I do know that is tight, I will share on here, or show in person. I love when musicians show everything they know. We are all doing this for God anyways. He shows stuff to us doesnt he??!
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You all have stated quite a bit of truths about us organists/keyboardists.
I've run across some that would share, wouldn't share, shared in part, and shared all they had. I think for those who are beginners or just those who are looking to broaden their scope, should uderstain an important key that one of our fellow musician stated which is: there is more to palying phat chords than seeing it and playing it. Your comprehension must develop as well. When i speak of comprehension I not just speaking mentally but your hearing as well must develop it must become more alert and aware of musical posibilities. For example before kim burell surfaced on the market, alot of musicians weren't playing that kind of flava. fred hammond and etc. was more of the advanced style then. but we added her style to our music library our hearing opened up in a different way. It was as if we couldn't hear but then she opend a door that unlocked our hearing. now musicians are flooding there shedd time atmosphere with kim, doobie, j.Moss, tonex,etc. and over time that which we have been listening to as gradually overtaken our outlook and aproach to playing. Have you ever been around a musician that sound just like he plays for kim and every song he plays whether it be christian worship, gospel woship, urban praise and worship, gospel choir,etc. they lack in versatility, everything sounds the same, same chords, same progressions, same modulations, same licks? and if you ask them they couldn't even recognize it. That's what i mean when i say it takes you over and changes your outlook and approach. and this is because it's all you hear even when you're not listening to music.
Finally, all of us who are seeking to grow musically must remember, we are not what we do If we look to God for our identity and significance since we are made in His image and likeness and have His HolySpirit within us, instead of asking our gift to define who we are and determine our worth, I know we will be able to share what has been given to us as a privilege by God with out feeling lesser of a person as we did before we shared our musical understanding with our brother or sister. If we don't start walking in this light we will never accomplish purpose and destiny; as well as cause other's to become victims of our hurricane-like attitudes because of our insecurites and frustations. let me pose this question: what happens if our hands get's damaged? does the will of God cease to be performed in our life? i think not. our gift is one of many vehicles God uses to perform His will through and for us. David went from being the worshipping shepherd, to the ministering minstrel, to the warrior - King, to the Administor - King.
One thing i have learned is to be faithful and fruitful to my assignments/ titles while wearing them loosley so that when God changes my assignments He will find that my devotion is to the goal and not the method, Him and not my signficance. if we don't grasp this we can easily slip into idolatry. God wants to take us from glory to glory just like abram became abraham, moses the murderer to moses the deliverer, Jesus with us - His earthly ministry to Jesus in us His heavenly ministry. Some of may be saying where did this spring up from? See, while some of us may sympathize with the musician who seeking more musical understanding, I sympathize with both he and the musicians we all have encountered with that are searching for significance and victimizing people with their selfishness and so forth. Love you guys...
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IF U WANT TIGHT CORDS FIND "KEY-WIZ" POSTINGS
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AMEN
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Some of the posts helped me and some didn't, thanks anyways.
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Some organists are intimidated and feel you will show them up. Some want to see if you are really serious. I will show some people things but when I see they dont want to learn they just want to show off or be heard I will not show them too much. There is nothing more aggrevatng than a music that doesnt have a foundation and just a bunch of tricks and thinks he/she is the stuff.
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Personally, sometimes I feel like sharing and sometimes I don't. Sometimes it's my attitude that needs adjustment and sometimes it's the person asking me. More often than not, I comply with their request going so far as to write it down for them because I'm usually to impatient to wait for them to write it out as I spell it out. #1 thing when asking for help - be courteous and respectful, not just to me but to others. As a good friend of mine said, "Like your musicians for who they are as a person, not for what they can do."
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Me myself, I don't even wanna learn those chords anymore. I want to learn the basic fundamentals. I wanna start off from the beginning so that I can create my own phat chords. It hasn't done me any good lately, I learn a song don't play for awhile then i can't remember it anymore. It wouldn't be like that if I understood the concept of playing.
But as for people helping, I know what you're saying. I have been asking how to play regular congregational songs for the longest, songs like Victory, Victory shall be mine. I don't understand the bass run or how to do it. But I can't get the organist to slow down and play so that i can understand. But like said before. Regardless if I ever play the way I think I should, I do it because I love God.
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Welcome to the LGM family "leedobbs" & "KmusicA"......be blessed......
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.........There can be a number of reasons why someone will not show those tight riffs, chords or progressions. In my experience it’s due to a threat of feeling that you could surpass them or they don't really have any patience to explain and teach things.
I personally don't believe that I have much tight chords; therefore I am always willing to sit down with another musician show, explain and learn as much as I can.
PianoWiz...
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To be honest, the only people I hear complaining that people won't share, are the people who want what the other musiciians have. My biggest beef with "showing" people chords & stuff, is that they're like stray dogs. They'll come back to you as often as they need a fix .... and then don't try to develop their own sound. Some don't even say thank you. I personally think all the "sharing" has done nothing more than breeded a bunch of clones.
I don't even listen to the radio or cd's much anymore, 'cause I can already predict what I'm going to hear. Advancement of the craft, in my opinion, is when we stop looking to other people for answers, and use the resources available to us, to aid us. Nothing wrong with asking questions, but some upstarts make it seem as if you have to just give them everything they ask for, or ELSE you're not humble. I personally think that both sides could use an attitude adjustment. The upstarts need to stop being lazy and put in the leg work to learn theory ... instead of trying to us things you can lift from other musicians, note for note. Personally, I only help younger musicians with technique, and theoretical questions.
It may take longer, but it is more beneficial for you to develop your own sound, through your own effort, as opposed to just running from one musician to the next, trying to bite what they've perfected over the course of years.
This is just my experience. Some guys don't like the older, more skilled musicians who don't just tell them everything they want to hear .. and I don't like the attitudes of many younger musicians who don't understand the difference between learning, and having things handed to you. The former, I feel, is far more beneficial.
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To be honest, the only people I hear complaining that people won't share, are the people who want what the other musiciians have. My biggest beef with "showing" people chords & stuff, is that they're like stray dogs. They'll come back to you as often as they need a fix .... and then don't try to develop their own sound. Some don't even say thank you. I personally think all the "sharing" has done nothing more than breeded a bunch of clones.
I don't even listen to the radio or cd's much anymore, 'cause I can already predict what I'm going to hear. Advancement of the craft, in my opinion, is when we stop looking to other people for answers, and use the resources available to us, to aid us. Nothing wrong with asking questions, but some upstarts make it seem as if you have to just give them everything they ask for, or ELSE you're not humble. I personally think that both sides could use an attitude adjustment. The upstarts need to stop being lazy and put in the leg work to learn theory ... instead of trying to us things you can lift from other musicians, note for note. Personally, I only help younger musicians with technique, and theoretical questions.
It may take longer, but it is more beneficial for you to develop your own sound, through your own effort, as opposed to just running from one musician to the next, trying to bite what they've perfected over the course of years.
This is just my experience. Some guys don't like the older, more skilled musicians who don't just tell them everything they want to hear .. and I don't like the attitudes of many younger musicians who don't understand the difference between learning, and having things handed to you. The former, I feel, is far more beneficial.
It's one thing if somebody approaches you for chords all the time, isn't paying you, and doesn't say thank you.
It's another thing altogether if an aspiring Organist approaches you for the first time and asks for a specific change he heard you do.
When you first start out, you don't know ANYTHING. When I first started, I didn't understand how music really moves until I got GospelKeys 202. If someone who knows little approaches you for chords, help him.
Now, it's better to UNDERSTAND what you're doing, but just help him/her out until they know better.
Over time I realized that knowing what I'm doing is better than mindlessly memorizing chords in every key.
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It's one thing if somebody approaches you for chords all the time, isn't paying you, and doesn't say thank you.
It's another thing altogether if an aspiring Organist approaches you for the first time and asks for a specific change he heard you do.
When you first start out, you don't know ANYTHING. When I first started, I didn't understand how music really moves until I got GospelKeys 202. If someone who knows little approaches you for chords, help him.
Now, it's better to UNDERSTAND what you're doing, but just help him/her out until they know better.
Over time I realized that knowing what I'm doing is better than mindlessly memorizing chords in every key.
"What we gain too easily, we esteem too lightly..."
Their is much you can share with a young musician, that will be very beneficial to him, that has nothing to do with teaching progressions that you use. Me teaching you a progression is only giving you fish ... I want to teach you to fish for yourself. I'm thoroughly convinced that the extra effort it takes to develop a solid musical foundation is more beneficial to a musician that just showing him a bunch of chord progressions and runs. My chords and runs are how I express myself. I rather give a young musician the foundation that will allow him to express himself...
Once again - it may take more time, but it's more beneficial, in my opinion. I just think many gospel musicians have just become accustomed to this way of learning for so long, that they're not open to learning a more beneficial way to learning to play. In my opinion, because more effort is involved.
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"What we gain too easily, we esteem too lightly..."
Their is much you can share with a young musician, that will be very beneficial to him, that has nothing to do with teaching progressions that you use. Me teaching you a progression is only giving you fish ... I want to teach you to fish for yourself. I'm thoroughly convinced that the extra effort it takes to develop a solid musical foundation is more beneficial to a musician that just showing him a bunch of chord progressions and runs. My chords and runs are how I express myself. I rather give a young musician the foundation that will allow him to express himself...
Once again - it may take more time, but it's more beneficial, in my opinion. I just think many gospel musicians have just become accustomed to this way of learning for so long, that they're not open to learning a more beneficial way to learning to play. In my opinion, because more effort is involved.
I've got to agree with you 100% "MaestroDivine"...... :)......Wise words.
PianoWiz...
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"What we gain too easily, we esteem too lightly..."
Their is much you can share with a young musician, that will be very beneficial to him, that has nothing to do with teaching progressions that you use. Me teaching you a progression is only giving you fish ... I want to teach you to fish for yourself. I'm thoroughly convinced that the extra effort it takes to develop a solid musical foundation is more beneficial to a musician that just showing him a bunch of chord progressions and runs. My chords and runs are how I express myself. I rather give a young musician the foundation that will allow him to express himself...
Once again - it may take more time, but it's more beneficial, in my opinion. I just think many gospel musicians have just become accustomed to this way of learning for so long, that they're not open to learning a more beneficial way to learning to play. In my opinion, because more effort is involved.
I agree with you....in part.
But this applies only to those musicians who I mentioned who don't understand the basic concepts of music.
For too long there have been Organists & Keyboardists who have failed to instruct and enlighten younger musicians. What happens is, they spend hours upon hours learning and honing and perfecting, and when someone else asks for a specific movement or chord, they get greedy.
They think to themselves: "Why should I show him MY chord movements? After I spent all these hours, days, weeks & years learning them?"
....And the younger musicians must fend for themselves. You could say that that's how it's supposed to be, but I disagree. If we all show each other chords and movements, we can ALL sound better. Gospel music will surpass any and everything the secular world has to offer, because there's strength in unity. If 10 organists each come up with their own stuff, and share with each other, they'll ALL be better. And you better believe they'll play those 10 changes 10 different ways, and in 10 different applications. Besides, they'll have to master those chords in all 12 keys before they can truly say they know it. The person who practices the most will still be better in the end anyway.
Fact of the matter is, when you play for God, you should be more interested in the Kingdom than hoarding chords and progressions.
If I've only been playing the Organ for about 9 months. I can play in every major key (and 2 minors. Working on that.)
I can play any 7, 9, 11, or 13th chord on demand. BUT there are particular VOICINGS that sound better than others.
So if I approach an accomplished Organist and ask about a specific movement I heard him do, I don't want to hear how "What we gain too easily, we esteem too lightly..." lol. JUST SHOW ME THE CHORD MAN! lmbo. :D :D :D
I've developed a small aresenal of changes and chords, and if you show me something, I may be able to show you something that you might not know.
Gospel Musicians are too reluctant to share what they know. If we all share, we'll all be better. It's about the Kingdom!
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I agree with you....in part.
But this applies only to those musicians who I mentioned who don't understand the basic concepts of music.
For too long there have been Organists & Keyboardists who have failed to instruct and enlighten younger musicians. What happens is, they spend hours upon hours learning and honing and perfecting, and when someone else asks for a specific movement or chord, they get greedy.
They think to themselves: "Why should I show him MY chord movements? After I spent all these hours, days, weeks & years learning them?"
....And the younger musicians must fend for themselves. You could say that that's how it's supposed to be, but I disagree. If we all show each other chords and movements, we can ALL sound better. Gospel music will surpass any and everything the secular world has to offer, because there's strength in unity. If 10 organists each come up with their own stuff, and share with each other, they'll ALL be better. And you better believe they'll play those 10 changes 10 different ways, and in 10 different applications. Besides, they'll have to master those chords in all 12 keys before they can truly say they know it. The person who practices the most will still be better in the end anyway.
Fact of the matter is, when you play for God, you should be more interested in the Kingdom than hoarding chords and progressions.
If I've only been playing the Organ for about 9 months. I can play in every major key (and 2 minors. Working on that.)
I can play any 7, 9, 11, or 13th chord on demand. BUT there are particular VOICINGS that sound better than others.
So if I approach an accomplished Organist and ask about a specific movement I heard him do, I don't want to hear how "What we gain too easily, we esteem too lightly..." lol. JUST SHOW ME THE CHORD MAN! lmbo. :D :D :D
I've developed a small aresenal of changes and chords, and if you show me something, I may be able to show you something that you might not know.
Gospel Musicians are too reluctant to share what they know. If we all share, we'll all be better. It's about the Kingdom!
I don't disagree, and I don't deal with musicians who think this way. If someone wants to learn MUSIC, I'll gladly teach. However, how I express myself, is how I express myself. You have a voice, use it! Anything else you want to learn, I'm definitely open to teach.
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I don't disagree, and I don't deal with musicians who think this way. If someone wants to learn MUSIC, I'll gladly teach. However, how I express myself, is how I express myself. You have a voice, use it! Anything else you want to learn, I'm definitely open to teach.
I don't agree**
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I don't disagree, and I don't deal with musicians who think this way. If someone wants to learn MUSIC, I'll gladly teach. However, how I express myself, is how I express myself. You have a voice, use it! Anything else you want to learn, I'm definitely open to teach.
LMBO. You got me cracking up over here Div. So you're saying if I hear you do a progression, and say, "what did you play there?"
You'd basically be like ?/? ::) :-X
:D :D :D
And that's to HELP the person who's asking? If the person can only play in 3 keys, that's understandable.
But once I know theory, can play in every key, and I ask you something and you refuse, that makes you selfish.
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But once I know theory, can play in every key, and I ask you something and you refuse, that makes you selfish.
That's not the person I'm talking about, and you know it.
If someone shows the willingness to put forth the effort it takes to become a knowledgeable and skilled musician ... those are the people I share ideas with. Why? 'Cause I know they aren't leeches. I don't deal with leeches. I can spot 'em a mile away.
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That's not the person I'm talking about, and you know it.
If someone shows the willingness to put forth the effort it takes to become a knowledgeable and skilled musician ... those are the people I share ideas with. Why? 'Cause I know they aren't leeches. I don't deal with leeches. I can spot 'em a mile away.
Nope. I didn't know it. :-\
I took this:
I don't disagree, and I don't deal with musicians who think this way. If someone wants to learn MUSIC, I'll gladly teach. However, how I express myself, is how I express myself. You have a voice, use it! Anything else you want to learn, I'm definitely open to teach.
To mean that you don't share chords (how I express myself is how I express myself.)
It seems we're saying pretty much the same thing.
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Do I have to spell this out for you, dude?
Sharing ideas doesn't mean that you and I are going to sound a like? If I share an idea with you, I expect for you to make it your own. Most people are not doing that when you share ideas with them.
Sometimes I think you just act like you don't know, just to be a pest, for real. How I can express myself IS how I express myself. Chords or chords ... runs or runs ... if I hear someone do something, I'm immediately thinking of how I can take this idea, and express it in a way that's unique to me.
Maybe some people don't know what it's like to be creative on the level. If they don't, then that's not on me. Ask God to bless you with creativity. However, don't suggest to me that I need to just dump my bag of tricks out on the table, so you can pick and grab...
To me, that's foolishness.
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You know, in light of the drama going on in the drummer's forum, I'm going to step away from this thread.
Their is just way too much arrogance, and arguing on this messageboard, lately. For the record, YES I'm apart of the problem.
Div
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oooooo kkkkkkkk. ::)
Well, you go take that valium and I'll see when you're a little more "relaxed". :D :D
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I have show some young musicians things and the one I know take it to the extreme. I showed a few at my church some movements and I have to hear them wear it out the entire song or service. I have to watch them transpose on the keys or play the movement if it fits or not. I stopped giving them certain chords until they learn the basics. Lately for some reason they have been watching my hands and I either play simple or I play real fast. lol Why do this not because I dont want to show them anything but because I know them and they are not ready for it. Plus I dont want to have to hear you using that same movement 100 times before the benediction.
There are many musicians on LGM that still cant play the basics. You post the basics and the thread is gone before half the day. A few people say thanks or keep it up. I feel those are the musicians that want to learn and I will show every thing I know to.
Have you ever watched kung fu movies the master has a whole class of students but he will only teach one or a few the true secrets to his art. Why does he do this because some knuckle head might go out and use this art for evil or give his school a bad name.
Many musicians are out the and on this site looking to play the piano, organ, bass, drums or what ever. They are looking for chords and tight movements so they can show off at school in the band room or play their favorite lewd RnB artist songs for their friends. Many are not really seeking to do it for God.
About the 10 organist thing more than likely 8 out of those 10 organist will go play for the secular before the play for church. Im not saying all secular music is wrong but most musicians are still caught up in the hype. Big Business tell us what to listen to a watch. I will stop now before I hijack this thread. ;D
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I have show some young musicians things and the one I know take it to the extreme. I showed a few at my church some movements and I have to hear them wear it out the entire song or service. I have to watch them transpose on the keys or play the movement if it fits or not. I stopped giving them certain chords until they learn the basics. Lately for some reason they have been watching my hands and I either play simple or I play real fast. lol Why do this not because I dont want to show them anything but because I know them and they are not ready for it. Plus I dont want to have to hear you using that same movement 100 times before the benediction.
There are many musicians on LGM that still cant play the basics. You post the basics and the thread is gone before half the day. A few people say thanks or keep it up. I feel those are the musicians that want to learn and I will show every thing I know to.
Have you ever watched kung fu movies the master has a whole class of students but he will only teach one or a few the true secrets to his art. Why does he do this because some knuckle head might go out and use this art for evil or give his school a bad name.
Many musicians are out the and on this site looking to play the piano, organ, bass, drums or what ever. They are looking for chords and tight movements so they can show off at school in the band room or play their favorite lewd RnB artist songs for their friends. Many are not really seeking to do it for God.
About the 10 organist thing more than likely 8 out of those 10 organist will go play for the secular before the play for church. Im not saying all secular music is wrong but most musicians are still caught up in the hype. Big Business tell us what to listen to a watch. I will stop now before I hijack this thread. ;D
We're saying the same thing basically. Make sure someone knows the basics before you give them too much. BUT once someone has a knowledge of the basics, and a good handle on theory, then you can be liberal.
I'm teaching my sister how to play the drums. She repeatedly asks me for a fancy lick or slick groove she heard me do, and I repeatedly turn her down. Why? Because I've only been teaching her for a few weeks. I still have to correct her stick grip every other practice. lol.
She's still learning not to grip the sticks too tight. To let the stick rebound. She still learning her basic drum rudiments. If I give her an advanced lick or groove right now, she can't do it. And if she practices for a week until she can do it, it'll be sloppy, and she doesn't yet know how to apply it.
BUT once she's been playing for a while, has adequate technique, can keep decent time, and knows her rudiments, I'll gladly show her everything I know in the hopes that she'll be better than I am one day.