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Title: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Gibby on February 05, 2010, 09:07:20 PM
just bought an acoustic-electric guitar  ;D (yay!!! Israel songs  :D) Now I have a fender, nylon string, acoustic-electric and a schecter diamond guitar w/humbuckers.

now I need something to record with...something with a drum track and overdub loops and stuff!

Any suggestions?!
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Fenix on February 06, 2010, 07:28:38 AM
Well most of the new multi FX boxes have these features. Try those.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: JayP5150 on February 06, 2010, 09:44:00 PM
Almost all your entry level software has that, too. And I'm talking like $50 range stuff. Dig around cakewalk's site.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: jlynnb1 on February 07, 2010, 03:03:03 AM
you talking about hardware or software??
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Fenix on February 07, 2010, 03:48:17 PM
you talking about hardware or software??

I think he means both.

Heck if you are talking about software, then you can try free recording software like Audacity. I use it all the time and it works fine for me. It just won't make .mp3s for some reason, it keeps asking me to download a lame.dll file.  :-\

I think a simple mic'ed up guitar to PC setup is fine and cheap.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: gtrdave on February 07, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
GarageBand...but you gotta buy a Mac to get it.  ;)
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: jlynnb1 on February 07, 2010, 09:47:05 PM
if you buy an audio interface for your comp most come bundled with a lite version of a popular DAW....Cubase seems to be the most common.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Fenix on February 08, 2010, 03:54:14 AM
....Cubase seems to be the most common.

Not the most user-friendly software out there. It came with the church's Roland Fantom and i could not get my head round it.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: crazyguitardude on February 08, 2010, 06:52:25 AM
very true Fenix. I have cubase and audacity. Audacity is real simple and they even have a website with tutorials and stuff. Cubase is prolly still better as far as recording and tweeking sounds, but it looks way complicated.

I would say get Cubase or Sonar or something because they can slave a drum machine. I have izotope iDrum and it can slave to cubase, but i'm still trying to figure out that part.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: gtrdave on February 08, 2010, 08:30:51 AM
I've used ProTools for years/
It's intuitive, powerful and multi-platform friendly.
The M-powered version that comes with M-Audio interfaces is fairly inexpensive, too, and they (iirc) have an upgrade path if you decide to step up to a bigger/badder version in the future.

That said, Audacity is free and fairly simple to use.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Gibby on February 08, 2010, 11:53:25 AM
haha...thanks for the input fellas. I gotta do some reasearch about this hardware and software...and prolly get another computer...
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Gibby on February 09, 2010, 10:52:28 AM
I guess i'm going to hafta buy some $500 piece of equipment and some software  :-\

I could record straight from my PODXT. But my issue with that is this: when I was downloading patches for my PODXT from the internet, my computer gave me the blue screen of death whenever I finished downloading and unplugged my USB port.  Has that happened to any of you guys? (jlynnb1... ::))

So what set up do you guys have with recording at home? I prolly want to do either mics or DI boxes(which I hate DI boxes).  Who knows what i'll do now...might just do the old cassette tape with the recorder  :D
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: jlynnb1 on February 09, 2010, 01:34:45 PM
nah man....there are some good interfaces for around 200 dollars.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Gibby on February 09, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
nah man....there are some good interfaces for around 200 dollars.

i'm trying to cook bro  :D do you know any off the top of your head?
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: JayP5150 on February 09, 2010, 08:42:57 PM
i'm trying to cook bro  :D do you know any off the top of your head?

While an all-in-one interface is probably far superior to my setup, here's what I roll with, and it gets the job done for me.

Cakewalk Music Creator. I'm actually still using version 2 (5 was just released lol - $39.99).

I have a decent condenser mic (MXL 990 - $70), a Behringer mixer (hmm... maybe $40), and I have USB interfaces for both audio and MIDI (about $30 each).

I know that adds up to more than $200, but it includes a mic, and it was all acquired over about 2 years time as I needed it.

You may want to look along the lines of the Tascam UL-122, etc. I have no personal experience with them, but they are reasonably priced, entry-level interfaces with mic pres and all that jazz.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: JayP5150 on February 09, 2010, 08:44:37 PM
Shoot... that's US 122, but upon further look, not the best reviews.

I'm a moron, and I'm shutting up lol
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: gtrdave on February 09, 2010, 10:35:43 PM
My chain is as follows:

guitar -> Line 6 Pocket POD -> ART Dual MP tube preamp -> Digidesign M-Box (in) -> iMac -> ProTools 7.3 -> M-Box (out) -> ART SLA1 power amp -> Tannoy Proto-J monitors

I use a Joe Meek VC3Q and a few different mics to choose from for my vocals.

I use Apple GarageBand for assembling drum and perc. loops.

I tend to push the Digidesign stuff because, even though it can be pricey, it works well and most of the pros and semi-pros that I know use some sort of ProTools software.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Chapter3 on February 10, 2010, 01:34:20 PM
go to gc check out the micro br its a 4 track which you can bounce to 32 tracks, has an excellent drum machine, line input and mic input, effects. all of the musicians in our church band have one keyboardist included. we record and share information email tracks to each other and you have the ability to master to cd either mp3 or wave. also you can download to computer. cost about $200.00 well worth it.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Chapter3 on February 10, 2010, 01:37:54 PM
oh yeah lost mine last week hope someone found it in the hotel i stayed. if not will purchase another as im sick for losing my micro br. pray it turns up soon.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: GMansAxe on February 13, 2010, 09:50:28 PM
I have been hearing alot about Reaper...  Its really inexpensive around $60.00...  I have heard really good reviews about it.   http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ (http://www.cockos.com/reaper/)
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Fenix on February 14, 2010, 03:54:59 AM
So, Gibs, exactly what will you be recording?
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Gibby on February 14, 2010, 02:23:45 PM
So, Gibs, exactly what will you be recording?

Just my self.  I guess I want to start making grooves and stuff just for fun.  And while doing so will help my creativity and timing.  Recording helps those two aspects of your playing out...
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: lilBB on February 15, 2010, 10:51:30 AM
THIS IS A HIJACKING EVERYBODY ON THE GROUND!!

...not that i have  your attention, can I use a digital recorder like the Boss BR 600 as a pedal of sorts? there are some effects that i like, but wonder could I record to someone's track using the BR600 as an effect pedal?
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Gibby on February 15, 2010, 07:35:01 PM
Hey bb, don't go jackin' my thread! LOL!

Oh and you were doing your thang om that vid you posted...
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: lilBB on February 16, 2010, 10:39:33 AM
shole preciate you broham.

guess nobody cares about my question  :(.  lol. got my answer anyway, I used the cosm effects to record to protools and it went awesome. the producer eq'd it as well and the end sound was really cool.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Gibby on February 16, 2010, 11:13:59 AM
shole preciate you broham.

guess nobody cares about my question  :(.  lol. got my answer anyway, I used the cosm effects to record to protools and it went awesome. the producer eq'd it as well and the end sound was really cool.

you know I was looking at that BR600 boss recorder at GC last weekend.  I thought it looked pretty complicated...how do you like it BB?
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: lilBB on February 16, 2010, 11:42:45 AM
you know I was looking at that BR600 boss recorder at GC last weekend.  I thought it looked pretty complicated...how do you like it BB?

man i like it. im not fully utilizing it like i should be, but for simple stuff it works great. and if you ever move up to more complex recording, it can do that too. reason i got it (traded for it actually) was i like to pound out my own drum patterns, and it has the drum pads.

got a lot of different effects and bass simulators. even got some vocal effects too. its really a great piece of gear for scratch recording. look on craigslist see if you can get a used one cheaper though.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Gibby on February 16, 2010, 11:52:13 AM
man i like it. im not fully utilizing it like i should be, but for simple stuff it works great. and if you ever move up to more complex recording, it can do that too. reason i got it (traded for it actually) was i like to pound out my own drum patterns, and it has the drum pads.

got a lot of different effects and bass simulators. even got some vocal effects too. its really a great piece of gear for scratch recording. look on craigslist see if you can get a used one cheaper though.

so how would you use this item with your protools and what type of protools are you using with it?

***since you're not on here alot I gotta get my questions in lol***
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: lilBB on February 16, 2010, 12:10:57 PM
man fire away bro, im on here just about everyday, just not always able to type in.

wasnt my studio. local producer here in memphis and he's pretty much got everything. im sure he has some advanced version of pro tools and he was wizzing around on it pretty quickly. i asked him how long he's been using it and he said 10 years. i mean theres a lot of stuff on there, and he seems to have invested a lot of time and money and really got it down. i just plugged ito the br600 and ran the cord out of the headphone jack to his setup and did as i was told.

i also know a guy who has just got a laptop, pro tools, a mixer, and some monitors, and makes some pretty cool stuff. i will say that almost everybody i see uses another program for drums, then dumps them into protools.

thats kinda why i went with a digital recorder, because i knew at the time i wasnt gonna get that deep into it. and if i upgrade to pro tools or cubase or something, i can export as .wav files from the br600 to pro tools so ill still be able to use it.
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: Gibby on February 16, 2010, 12:43:13 PM
man fire away bro, im on here just about everyday, just not always able to type in.

wasnt my studio. local producer here in memphis and he's pretty much got everything. im sure he has some advanced version of pro tools and he was wizzing around on it pretty quickly. i asked him how long he's been using it and he said 10 years. i mean theres a lot of stuff on there, and he seems to have invested a lot of time and money and really got it down. i just plugged ito the br600 and ran the cord out of the headphone jack to his setup and did as i was told.

i also know a guy who has just got a laptop, pro tools, a mixer, and some monitors, and makes some pretty cool stuff. i will say that almost everybody i see uses another program for drums, then dumps them into protools.

thats kinda why i went with a digital recorder, because i knew at the time i wasnt gonna get that deep into it. and if i upgrade to pro tools or cubase or something, i can export as .wav files from the br600 to pro tools so ill still be able to use it.

cool man I appreciate that lil bit of insight.  My experience with recording started out with my amp and such, but due to some hiss from my amp my setup was kinda like yours.  The guy pretty much gave me a sound, which was kinda cool i guess...

But anywho thanks bro!
Title: Re: Ready to record...help me my fellow guitarists!!!
Post by: jlynnb1 on February 16, 2010, 08:48:15 PM
Here are my recording preferences

DAW: Windows - Sonar 8 Producer, Mac - Logic Studio

Midi/Beats/Scratch recording: Windows - Propellerheads Reason 4/Record, Acid 7 or Ableton 8, Mac - Reason/Reecord or Ableton