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Title: need a little help
Post by: arthur59 on March 18, 2010, 09:08:18 PM
I'm a bass player, however I learned most of my progression from the lesson that T-Block posted. He explains it very well. (Thanks T-Block) Need a little help with understanding the  circle of 4th and 5th. if I'm in the key of C and my next note is G which is the 5th, Do I walk to to the G from the C?
If I'm in C and my next note is F which is the 4th  do I walk down to the 4th? is this right?  
 
Title: Re: need a little help
Post by: sjonathan02 on March 18, 2010, 09:38:12 PM
I'm a bass player, however I learned most of my progression from the lesson that T-Buck posted. He explains it very well. (Thanks T-Block) Need a little help with understanding the  circle of 4th and 5th. if I'm in the key of C and my next note is G which is the 5th, Do I walk to to the G from the C?
If I'm in C and my next note is F which is the 4th  do I walk down to the 4th? is this right? 
 


No, go up to get to the 4th.
Title: Re: need a little help
Post by: betnich on March 18, 2010, 11:44:28 PM
5th up=4th down     
4th up=5th down

try it with any two 4ths/5ths - like C-G, or C-F...
Title: Re: need a little help
Post by: arthur59 on March 19, 2010, 07:50:54 AM
Thanks for your response Betnich & Sjonathan,I think yall are saying two diffeent things.
what I dont understand is when are you suppose to walk up to or walk down to your 4th or 5th from the "1"

If I'm on the "1" (c) and going to the 4th(f) do I walk up to the 4th, D D# E F or walk down to the 4th G# G F# F

If I'm on the "1" (c) and going to the 5th(g) do I walk up to the 5th E F F# "G" or walk down to the 5th Bb A Ab "G"

is this what the cirle of 4th and 5th is about? I've been fighting with this for years and I thinnk I'm close to understanding it, when I want to learn about music I come to the pino room,when I want to learn "bass" stuff I go to the bass room,

I thank you guys for your help.
Title: Re: need a little help
Post by: sjonathan02 on March 19, 2010, 08:13:52 AM
Thanks for your response Betnich & Sjonathan,I think yall are saying two diffeent things.
what I dont understand is when are you suppose to walk up to or walk down to your 4th or 5th from the "1"

If I'm on the "1" (c) and going to the 4th(f) do I walk up to the 4th, D D# E F or walk down to the 4th G# G F# F

If I'm on the "1" (c) and going to the 5th(g) do I walk up to the 5th E F F# "G" or walk down to the 5th Bb A Ab "G"

is this what the cirle of 4th and 5th is about? I've been fighting with this for years and I thinnk I'm close to understanding it, when I want to learn about music I come to the pino room,when I want to learn "bass" stuff I go to the bass room,

I thank you guys for your help.

First, don't think chromatically (each and every key i.e. C, C#, D, D#, etc), think diatonically (notes within the scale you're using C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C).


Second, we're saying the same thing in two different ways.  ;)


When you go up (or to the right of the keyboard) from C (or your '1' position) you get to F (the fourth degree of the C scale). Starting from the same position, if you went down (or to the left of the keyboard) you'd have to go five notes down to get to "same" 'F' tone (meaning it's the same pitch just an octave away).  

To simplify: the Circle is the Circle. It doesn't matter which 'G' you happen to hit (meaning from our starting position, it doesn't matter which 'G' key you press) it's still the Circle of Fifths.
Title: Re: need a little help
Post by: T-Block on March 19, 2010, 08:48:44 PM
Like sjon said, it doesn't matter how you get to where you want to go, just get there. A lot of the musical decisions come with practice and experience. You will just feel when you want to walk up or walk down or whatever. There is no set rule about what to do or how to do it.