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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: lady_maestro1 on January 24, 2005, 10:07:11 AM
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What is a 2 manual organ? Can I learn correctly on this? Where can I see a picture of this?
Thanks
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All oh the hammond organs are 2 manual organ...a manual are just a set of keys...u can look at my avator under my name on the left and that's a
B-3 with 2 manuals :wink:
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I just wanted to make sure. The guy who is going to give me lessons said he has a 2 manual organ! Of course I had no idea...But now that I know...that is what I mess around with in church during rehearsals. :wink:
I like knowing all I can!
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I just wanted to make sure. The guy who is going to give me lessons said he has a 2 manual organ! Of course I had no idea...But now that I know...that is what I mess around with in church during rehearsals. :wink:
I like knowing all I can!
LOL!!! Good luck with your lessons!!! Always take notes! :lol: :lol: Couse I really think you goin to need it!! :wink:
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You think I am going to need it that much? I pray that the Spirit will guide me, my mind, hands and feet so that I can play the way God would have to play...if it is His will. I have been playing piano since second grade by only by reading music. I majored in Music in college but majored in instrumental music...not piano though. If I only I had been thinking!....
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You think I am going to need it that much? I pray that the Spirit will guide me, my mind, hands and feet so that I can play the way God would have to play...if it is His will. I have been playing piano since second grade by only by reading music. I majored in Music in college but majored in instrumental music...not piano though. If I only I had been thinking!....
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I was sayin it as a joke :lol: :lol:. But I know you will do fine...The thing is that u have to think as a organist cause u can't play it like a piano...I am still learnin the organ myself but it takes time but I KNOW that you goin to get used to it so much that u want to play that more than the piano LOL....It gets addictive sometimes! :lol: :lol:
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Thanks for the encouragement! I am looking forward to all that God has in store for me!
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Man, d00d, don't be doggin' the piano like that 8O
But he's right, organ is difficult. It doesn't have as much harminization as the piano and takes time how to get your hands and your feet moving together. Just don't be like the organist at my church. He gives up way to easy :)
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Man, d00d, don't be doggin' the piano like that 8O
LOL....I wasn't tryin to dog it.. :lol: I play more on piano than the organ anyway but if I see a organ, that's what I going to play LOL :lol:
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truthfully, I am not and organist. I play the organ, but I know there is a difference. I just sit and play. of course i use the bass pedals to.
QUESTION- is your leg going to hurt when you are using the bass pedals and you're playing a song that goes for sometime? i found it does that sometime now. Another question...the vibrato/chorus knob on a b-3, i think it is...what is the difference and which one gives you more or less of which? what is the chorus anyway? which one do you like best?
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Hammond models...I'm pretty sure my church's is a B-3. If it is like a square box on top that is open at the bottom, that is a b-3...something like in your avatar ddw4e...it is?
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Mine don't hurt that much but if u pounding on the pedals...I for sure know that will hurt!! :lol: :lol: I noticed that my legs don't hurt as much if I play with timberland boots then with just sneakers but that's just me...I use chorus a little more...mainly C-3...I just like that effect....I can't really give you a str8 answer tho :roll: ...maybe cause it has a pretty fast effect on the sound as if u wasn't using a leslie.... :wink:
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it's leslie. also, the leslie speaker switches...what do echo, ensemble, and main do? ours don't work. echo mutes the organ out for some reason. i like it, though. when i set it to echo, i don't have to worry about making a sound on the organ while scooting over on it by mistake in the middle of church.
does anyone have any good drawbar settings they like? I use the same on every sunday:
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i really don't make any variation because i don't have time to see what i like. it's in, play at church, out and that's it. i don't practice organ or anything. i get my experience as i go.
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Echo only works, if you have 2 leslies connected to the organ. It switches the "Main" leslie off and uses the echo leslie. Main is opposite of Echo....If I remember correctly. I can't remember what ensemble does. Someone here should know, or you could do an internet search. I know you'll find the answer then.
To mute the organ, I usually just cancel the drawbars out. I know others that will push all the drawbars in.
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can you also answer this question...what does it mean to set the leslie on fast? i guess we don't have this on the organ. here's all the switches and knobs we have: vibrato/chorus knob, leslie tremolo on/off, echo-ensemble-main, percussion.
pretty much all on our organ (b3 i think) and i don't know what the echo=ensemble-main and percussion do. but what about setting leslie to fast? :?:
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I have never taken a piano lesson in my life but I have one. And I thank God I do because if I ever saw someone playing the pedals with Timberland boots on the organ in church I would never let them play my organ @ home. I would tell them to play my piano or keyboard. No offense but I have taken organ lessons and not one instructor allowed me to play with a thick soled or heavy shoe. Moreover, if you practice and learn properly how to maneuver your feet across the pedals your legs nor your feet will get tired. You should be moving left to right or right to left with a heel-toe motion. Eventually you will enable yourself to use your toe on one pedal and use your heel to hit another pedal that's two steps away. It really takes years to perfect it and I must admit that sometimes I get away from proper pedalling. But if you have big feet (LOL) you'll grasp the technique quicker. The great Jimmy Smith told me once that playing the pedals to him is like walking on air and that man sometimes plays with two feet in concert.
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Another way to mute the organ is to hit the low C presets on both manuals. Just be sure and to hit the desired preset when you go to play again.
Slow and fast designate how fast the leslie turns in the cabinet. If you can see the cabinet from the organ you should be able to see the horn spinning around and changing speeds. If it is hidden somewhere like most churches do so they can mic it, then turn it to fast and then go look at the leslie. You should also be able to hear a difference in the sound if you hold down a note or a chord turning the leslie from fast to slow, and this is a neat effect that you can use when you're playing.
Some Leslies have the ability to stop the speaker all together, in that case ensemble might be another name for the Leslie at slow speed. But then again, some organs have ensemble as a designation for chorus.
When I 1st started playing my leg hurt, but just keep playing, you'll get the strength you need, make sure you are relaxed when you are playing.
I don't consider organ easier or harder than piano, but I think it is very important to consider the two as 2 seperate instruments, just as someone suggested. If you're used to playing piano, you're used to a relatively harder action than piano, it's easy to fumble keys. I've practiced scales with a metronome to overcome this. Rhythm as an organist is important, because you kind of have to think like a bassist and a pianist all at the same time. At the same time, you don't want to think as a bassist or a pianist, you want to think like an organist.
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The great Jimmy Smith told me once that playing the pedals to him is like walking on air and that man sometimes plays with two feet in concert.
What was that like hanging with Jimmy Smith? Did you get a lesson?
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Well let me start by saying that Jimmy Smith is the man. He originally played in the church. But eventually he went secular. But he is awesome. I try to see him whenever he comes to New York. I sit front and center of his organ. Well, it's not his organ and if something is not to his liking about the organ he goes off!! He has autographed all of my collection so far. But to be honest, he is a heavy, heavy smoker. I heard that he is going to be in New York sometime in March '05 and I'm hoping to see him. I need to get 3 cds autographed. But the man can really work that organ like I've never seen before. Defrancesco and Billy Preston learned well but they can't touch their master teacher. He made the organ sound like it was doing six things at one time and his feet were moving all over them pedals like he was just chilling out swinging his legs on a swing and at the same time walking. I asked him all that I could think of asking and a lot of times he just laughed with his raspy voice and told me "You can do what I do, you just can't do it like me." To be honest though he's not looking too well these days. But I'm going to pray for him.
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quote]truthfully, I am not and organist. I play the organ, but I know there is a difference. I just sit and play. of course i use the bass pedals to.
QUESTION- is your leg going to hurt when you are using the bass pedals and you're playing a song that goes for sometime? i found it does that sometime now. Another question...the vibrato/chorus knob on a b-3, i think it is...what is the difference and which one gives you more or less of which? what is the chorus anyway? which one do you like best?[[/quote]
Man, now you know how we drummers be feeling! And our hands have to be all over the place! Not to mention that stupid bass drum! =P
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You should watch John Peter's organ video, he's sick , but he is wearing
Timberland boots, LOL.
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Well tell me something guys. When you are playing, what do you do more of 1) Pumping the pedals or 2) Walking the pedals? (I know that it depends on the song sometimes) But how do you find yourselves playing most of the time? I pump them but whenever I can do a Jimmy Smith man I kick off my high heels and walk them bad boys like I walk my left hand. I even walk my feet to shouting music but I can't do it but for so long then I pump. Holla back
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Well tell me something guys. When you are playing, what do you do more of 1) Pumping the pedals or 2) Walking the pedals? (I know that it depends on the song sometimes) But how do you find yourselves playing most of the time? I pump them but whenever I can do a Jimmy Smith man I kick off my high heels and walk them bad boys like I walk my left hand. I even walk my feet to shouting music but I can't do it but for so long then I pump. Holla back
I DO BOTH....I AM STARTING TO GET FASTER ON THE PEDALS TO THE POIN THAT I CAN RUN SHOUTING MUSIC FOR A GOOD WHILE THEN GO BACK TO PUMPING LIKE YOU DO...I CAN'T REALLY PRACTICE MUCH ON IT CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A ORGAN AT CHURCH SO IT LIMITS ME A BIT BUT I AM HOPING THIS YEAR THAT THE CHURCH GET ONE...
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So where is all the expertise coming from? I've been reading your posts and you know more about the B3 than I do and I've had one since it first came out in the early eighties!
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One more thing! I have Timberlands too but I never tried playing in them. I would imagine that they are too wide and the soles are too thick to glide, slide, or walk the pedals. But hey I've never tried it so I wouldn't really know!
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So where is all the expertise coming from? I've been reading your posts and you know more about the B3 than I do and I've had one since it first came out in the early eighties!
U HAD IT BEFORE I WAS BORN (IF U HAD IT BEFORE 1984) LOL!!! WHEN I STARTED PLAYING PIANO/ORGAN LIKE 5 YEARS AGO I TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE STRUCTURE OF THE ORGAN...THEN CHORD WISE...I USE PIANO CHORDS ON THE ORGAN BUT I USE THEM TO BECOME FULLER LIKE...
BP / LH / RH
Ab / F# C / F Bb D
G / F B / E A C#
C / E Bb / D G C
F / F C / E G A C
IF I WAS ON PIANO I PROBABLY DO THIS...A VARIATION
Ab / F# C F
G / A B C# E
C Eb B / D F Bb
F A C / G B D
I DON'T KNOW IF IT ANSWER MY QUESTION BUT TRY THE CHORDS! :lol: :lol:
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One more thing! I have Timberlands too but I never tried playing in them. I would imagine that they are too wide and the soles are too thick to glide, slide, or walk the pedals. But hey I've never tried it so I wouldn't really know!
I USUALLY PLAY IN THEM...I USE THEM IN PLACE OF FOOT WEIGHTS AND IT REALLY HELP ME ON MY FOOT SPEED...U SHOULD TRY IT... AND THE SET OF CHORDS WAS BASICALLY A 2-5-1 IN F...
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HA! HA! HA! WATCH YO'SELF! (LOL) I've had my organ since 1981. I've only had organ lessons & I regret that because I really can't play the piano to the point that my music is talking. But I do get over if you know what I mean. But when I started taking lessons my instructor had me playing my chords in my left hand and the melody with my right hand. And I didn't like it because the musicians that I would see in church were playing the opposite way. But she told me that it would be to my benefit to learn it the way she was teaching. Eventually she could tell that I was playing the opposite way in my free time and @ church. But now I'm thankful because a lot of musicians are surprised that I can play the chords with either hand. I think the piano is harder to learn because you have to touch the keys with different degrees of pressure to achieve a certain sound and work with the 3 pedals @ the same time. Whereas on the organ it doesn't matter how hard or soft you hit the keys. The sound won't change unless you make adjustments by turning or pressing a button or moving the volume pedal. The only time I play my piano is when I might happen to hear something on the radio or tv in passing through the house & I want to try to get it real quick. Otherwise I leave that thing alone pretty much! By the way the piano pedals look like they were made for Timberlands!!! LOL
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To be honest though he's not looking too well these
days. But I'm going to pray for him.
No, he does'nt. There are pictures of him with Joey DeFrancesco at Joey D's website(www.joeydefrancesco.com). You know he lost his wife at the end of last year. Smith had a website for awhile at jimmysmith.net, but it seems to no longer be active, I got the impression from that website he now lives in Arizona, possibly with Joey D????
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Thanks for the info! Should I assume you are a fan also? On Friday I called The Blue Note to see if he was on the itenerary for the summer? They said "not yet".
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The Chorus and Vibrato is caused by the Vibrato Scanner in the organ. The Chorus setting on the organ is actually a shallow fast vibrato. C-1, will give you the shallowest form of Vibrato. C-2, will give you a bit more depth. And C-3 will give a good amount of depth. The V-1/V-2/V-3 settings are slow, and full of depth. They don't particularly sound nice through the Leslie on fast. But sounds pretty creepy through the Leslie on Slow!
The Main, Echo & Ensemble on the Leslie switch was originally designed for Organs with self contained speakers. Like the A-100, and other brands of Organs as well. The Main, would play sound through only the Leslie, Echo would make the organ play sound through only the Speaker Unit in the Organ, and Ensemble would play both the internal Speaker & Leslie at the same time.
Percussion temporarily plays the 5th or 6th drawbar I believe, to give a punch to the sound, like a piano. You mimmick percussion by using a setting like 666080000, but the 5th harmonic doesn't decay like percussion does. It does add bite to the sound if you got a C2/B2 or other Model without Percussion, though!