I dont follow these things, but I just googled the story, and it seems like the judge does not think that everyone should have to pay for healthcare if they dont want it. I agree with that. Why should someone who is healthy have to pay for unhealthy people's medical bills?
When I heard that on the news I thought, "Well, California better repeal its uninsured-drivers ban".
Caught with no car insurance - they cite you and tow your car until you get coverage...same in many states...
When I heard that on the news I thought, "Well, California better repeal its uninsured-drivers ban".
Caught with no car insurance - they cite you and tow your car until you get coverage...same in many states...
Wheres Sjon and his Apples and Oranges Pic?
How is that apples and oranges?
If the judge ruled that it is unconstitutional to force a person to carry medical insurance on their own bodies, how is that any different from forcing a person to carry car insurance on their vehicles?
A person's body is theirs to do with as they please that is their right. The privilege to get from Point A to Point B via a one-ton automobile (or any other mode of transportation requiring a license) is different in that each driver doesn't just take their own body into account but also the bodies of the other drivers.
When said person violates that right (via accident or whatever), said person needs to be responsible for the damage caused.
BTJM.
How is that apples and oranges?
If the judge ruled that it is unconstitutional to force a person to carry medical insurance on their own bodies, how is that any different from forcing a person to carry car insurance on their vehicles?
(Note: FTR, I haven't read anything on this case, so I can only respond to this particular point in the thread; and FTR, I agree that it is grossly unfair for healthy people to pay medical costs for unhealthy people. I also think it's unfair for responsible people to have to carry irresponsible people).
My health insurance policy gives a significant discount for non-smokers and another discount for those who have gym memberships. I don't get the gym discount, but the non-smoker discount takes off $60/mo. from my insurance costs, and $2.00 from my dental insurance. They did that because the costs were rising so much, and it was the safest way to make sure unhealthy people weren't messing things up for everyone.
A person's body is theirs to do with as they please that is their right. The privilege to get from Point A to Point B via a one-ton automobile (or any other mode of transportation requiring a license) is different in that each driver doesn't just take their own body into account but also the bodies of the other drivers.
When said person violates that right (via accident or whatever), said person needs to be responsible for the damage caused.
BTJM.
They should have to pay if they are able.
I thing the social issues unhealthy people will have because of this could be very very upsetting or even scarring. I imagine that this would really hurt the chances of a unhealthy person getting a job.
That already happens - know people who have been turned down for jobs because of that...unfair but true...
People who are too fat, too skinny (usually from chronic illness), handicapped, not the right race, gender or social group, too young or too old or just too ugly (in the hirers' eyes). Not just from prejudice but real or perceived uninsureability. Happens all the time.
...I know a blind man who was unemployed for almost 2 years before finally finding work...
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I can cosign on that. I'm going through that right now. It is ridiculous, you can have a degree(s) and get pushed over for the person that doesn't have a degree. I often wonder are they hiring based on credentials or they want the department to look (visually) a certain way.
What degrees do you have and what type of job are you looking for?Why does that matter or have to do with the topic at hand?
True about the health part. but I dont see what gender, social groups and ugliness has to do with insurability. :-\
True about the health part. but I dont see what gender, social groups and ugliness has to do with insurability. :-\
Why does that matter or have to do with the topic at hand?
Well....it's a very messy thing. Some ethnic groups (sigh - and it's almost always us :() tend to be prone to certain medical conditions at a higher rate than others - at least, that's what the statics say. But other than health insurance issues, some corporate cultures are just discriminatory by nature. If you don't look like you fit in with the company's image, you are less likely to get a job than a more attractive person who is as qualified or even slightly less than you depending on what the job is. Studies also show things like taller men earn more money (and get more dates) than their shorter counterparts. Weather it's factual or not, image really is everything.......at first. So while there are laws that prohibit discrimination, it is still done in practice on a much less obvious level.
Why does that matter or have to do with the topic at hand?
Well....it's a very messy thing. Some ethnic groups (sigh - and it's almost always us :() tend to be prone to certain medical conditions at a higher rate than others - at least, that's what the statics say. But other than health insurance issues, some corporate cultures are just discriminatory by nature. If you don't look like you fit in with the company's image, you are less likely to get a job than a more attractive person who is as qualified or even slightly less than you depending on what the job is. Studies also show things like taller men earn more money (and get more dates) than their shorter counterparts. Weather it's factual or not, image really is everything.......at first. So while there are laws that prohibit discrimination, it is still done in practice on a much less obvious level.
Well....it's a very messy thing. Some ethnic groups (sigh - and it's almost always us :() tend to be prone to certain medical conditions at a higher rate than others - at least, that's what the statics say. But other than health insurance issues, some corporate cultures are just discriminatory by nature. If you don't look like you fit in with the company's image, you are less likely to get a job than a more attractive person who is as qualified or even slightly less than you depending on what the job is. Studies also show things like taller men earn more money (and get more dates) than their shorter counterparts. Weather it's factual or not, image really is everything.......at first. So while there are laws that prohibit discrimination, it is still done in practice on a much less obvious level.
He changed the topic, I was interested in what his situation was.
It may sound wrong, but in some cases I dont see a problem with employers discriminating against certain people because of the way the look, especially when it comes to areas like sales. Example, If I'm managing a gym/fitness center, I'm not going to hire someone who is 350 lbs and out of shape as a trainer. Why? because not many people are going to want to train with that trainer because of the way he/she looks and that trainer will be less likely to bring in new customers
(Even though U13 already answered) I can see how it's a relevant question. A lot of times, people tend to think that they are having a hard time finding a job for one reason when really there's a different reason. (Obviously, I'm not talking about Docdb here, I'm speaking generally). I know of PLENTY of people who have degrees and experience and all that, and complain of having a hard time getting a job because they're pregnant, overweight, underweight, handicapped, etc. Then, you look at their resume and realize why... or you see their "interview suit" and you know it has nothing to do with those things....
Also, in 2010 having a degree does not guarantee you a job. In many fields having experience and having connections is just as important and sometimes more important than having a degree. So sometimes you may have to take internships even though you are out of school, just to get you foot in the door. You might also have to go to a temp agency.
Yep. I went through that for several years with my baby sister, who thought that having a sought-after degree (Dual B.S. Int'l Business and Spanish) would guarantee her a high-paying job. She gave me such a headache because she just didn't quite get the concept of "entry level" or getting your foot in the door.
What degrees do you have and what type of job are you looking for?
Yep. I went through that for several years with my baby sister, who thought that having a sought-after degree (Dual B.S. Int'l Business and Spanish) would guarantee her a high-paying job. She gave me such a headache because she just didn't quite get the concept of "entry level" or getting your foot in the door.
Same with a co-worker who was laid off last year after working for my company for 20 years. They were offering her a couple of other positions (which I'll admit were of the "that's a slap in the face variety") and she refused. She took the severance package and left. But she was in her 50s... Even with a degree and an impressive resume, I was really concerned about her ability to find another job in this economy and at her age. It's rough out there...
Exactly, but thats what the schools and our parents have been teaching us from day one. Go to school, get on the honor roll, go to college and make the deans list and get a good paying job and retire with a pension or a measly 401k. Sadly thats not how it works any more. They teach us how to be good employees, but now how to make money or how to network with people. So I cant blame people for thinking this way.