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Main => Gospel Music Lounge => Topic started by: LaylaMonroe on December 20, 2011, 10:06:53 AM
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Bishop David Oyedepo Slaps to Conquer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XfvOUUYf-8#)
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Bishop David Oyedepo Slaps to Conquer ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XfvOUUYf-8#[/url])
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's going to the Pits. If the Bible is right, Jesus is pretty serious about the children.
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Speechless w/tears.
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Interesting. He heads one of the largest churches in Nigeria.
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Wow! :o
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The more I watch, the more disturbing it is.
Soooooooooo many questions running through my mind.
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Soooooooooo many questions running through my mind.
Like?
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Like why are they on their knees?
What is a witch for Jesus? Maybe she was just misguided, but not actually demonically influenced.
Why is it that none of the background leaders flinched or even reacted? Is this a normal event there?
In addition to the Bishop being misguided and dead wrong, is he also sexist?
Do the other members think that's okay?
Was slapping her supposed to rid her of the demons?
And quite a few more... but I gotta go to lunch.
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Rly? Is it me, or did he curse toward the end?
This has WRONG written all over it. >:(
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Am I the only person who got mad >:( the moment he slapped her?
Had he done this to an American woman, she would have either got up off her knees and slapped him right back or pulled an ice pick out of her hair weave and poked him! I don't condone a man putting his hands on a woman for what ever reason. Maybe she used to be a witch and operated under demonic influences, but I don't think she was a real witch, because for one, if she was, she would not be kneeling down at the alter.
A witch would not have gotten that close to the alter where the anointing of God is flowing and being fully aware that anyone who goes to the alter does it for healing, deliverance purposes and to be saved.
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"Where am I from? I'm about 2 minits from breaking my foot in your tail..."
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Like why are they on their knees?
They are waiting to be prayed for? Like when we lift our hands in front of the preacher. #samedifference
What is a witch for Jesus? Maybe she was just misguided, but not actually demonically influenced.
Dunno. But those dudes are serious about their beliefs.
Why is it that none of the background leaders flinched or even reacted? Is this a normal event there?
The pastor is in charge. #finished
In addition to the Bishop being misguided and dead wrong, is he also sexist?
Do the other members think that's okay?
The pastor is in charge. #nowI'mfinished
Was slapping her supposed to rid her of the demons?
Dunno. I think it was a reaction to her saying she was a "witch". More like, "How dare you come up in here saying you're a witch! Do you know who you are talking to? I smacks a witch!"
{SUHHMACKKA!!}
(crowd cheers)
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LOL @B3! suhhmackka...
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I see the pastor's pimp hand is strong tho.
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I'm not sure about all this.
LUKE 5(5)-the demonic @ Gardennes ran up to JESUS,as did many other possessed folks.WORD says "JESUS healed ALL who were oppressed by the devil".So;they had to get close enough to see/hear/touch HIM.
satan is daily before the throne of GOD-is there a "holier" more annointed place?
Anninais + Saphira-both church folks dropped dead @ Peter's feet;while he didn't slap them;he didn't shed any tears either.ACTS 8(?) Peter told simon to go to hell basically,maybe not as physical as a slap-but not exactly limp wristed either.
Think I'll pass on any further judgements.
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Wow... it is stuff like this that brings reproach upon the followers of Christ.
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{SUHHMACKKA!!}
(crowd cheers)
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Now that I think about it, I don't feel she meant "witch" I think she meant "which". That, to me, makes sense.
She was saying that she is on Jesus's side. An attempt to be witty.
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They are waiting to be prayed for? Like when we lift our hands in front of the preacher. #samedifference
Not the same difference. When we lift our hands, we lift them to Jesus.
When you get on your knees with your head lifted toward a man, you're bowing to that man (even if your heart is bowing to Jesus, your body is bowing to man).... I guess that's a matter of opinion, though, so I'll definitely say that I don't like the idea of kneeling in front of a man. In my church(es), we always knelt at a chair or something. I don't know why I see that as different, but I do. I'm not finna get on my knees in front of any man.
Also.....
The pastor is in charge. #finished
That doesn't explain why none of them even flinched. Like, even if you believe you're powerless and whatever the pastor says/does goes, if he does something off the wall that you don't believe is right or you've never seen before, you'll give some sort of reaction whether it's a facial expression, wide eyes, flinching, or a gesture or something. Those guys didn't react at all.... as though this happens all the time. That's odd, to me.
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Now that I think about it, I don't feel she meant "witch" I think she meant "which". That, to me, makes sense.
She was saying that she is on Jesus's side.
That makes sense to you? I'm a which for Jesus?? Huh???
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That doesn't explain why none of them even flinched. Like, even if you believe you're powerless and whatever the pastor says/does goes, if he does something off the wall that you don't believe is right or you've never seen before, you'll give some sort of reaction whether it's a facial expression, wide eyes, flinching, or a gesture or something. Those guys didn't react at all.... as though this happens all the time. That's odd, to me.
It doesn't happen all the time. This was most likely a crusade or special program. Doesn't excuse it though, but you should note that Africans take issues of witchcraft, especially among children, VERY seriously. From the testimonies I have heard and seen, most witches have been practicing since childhood.
It is really sad, but because of the endemic poverty and lack of education in many African countries, children are the main target of all sorts of evil elements.
Sad, yo! :(
Side note- my mom told us that when my sister and I were born, we were dedicated to the idols my grandfather used to serve. By the time my youngest sister was born, my mom absolutely refused.
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That makes sense to you? I'm a which for Jesus?? Huh???
I think so. I'm not claiming to be an expert on Nigerian culture, but I know that their Pidgin doesn't follow normal grammar...and sometimes they use words differently. I don't think that was exactly the case here, but I think she was just trying to be witty. "I am not a witch, but I am a which for Jesus." This makes sense to me, and can understand exactly what it is saying....if that's what she meant. Why else would she insist that she isn't a "witch"?
Fenix can set me straight, if I am wrong.
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Or maybe she meant she operates in the supernatural like a witch, but for Jesus. Not saying it's the best way to say it, but maybe she meant well. Or maybe she was a witch and wants to convert but bring her witch status with her. Either way, I think teaching and prayer would've been a better approach than public humiliations. Of course, I'm not sure Nigerians gauge humiliation like we do here. The ones I know tend not to embarrass easily, lol.
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Or maybe she was a witch and wants to convert but bring her witch status with her.
This is most likely the case.
Either way, I think teaching and prayer would've been a better approach than public humiliations. Of course, I'm not sure Nigerians gauge humiliation like we do here. The ones I know tend not to embarrass easily, lol.
No, they do not embarrass easily. :)
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Or maybe she meant she operates in the supernatural like a witch, but for Jesus. Not saying it's the best way to say it, but maybe she meant well. Or maybe she was a witch and wants to convert but bring her witch status with her. Either way, I think teaching and prayer would've been a better approach than public humiliations. Of course, I'm not sure Nigerians gauge humiliation like we do here. The ones I know tend not to embarrass easily, lol.
Cosign. All of this.
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{SUHHHMACCKKA!!!}
(crowd cheers)
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Cosign. All of this.
retro...
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When he {SUHHMACCKKA!!!} her, if there were a real witch spirit in her, it and all it's demonic spirits came out of her and left! "Naw dog.... weez straight! If this the kind of treatment you gone keep gettin' each time you come up in the church, then weez outta here!"
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Cosign. All of this.
+2. This is most likely what she meant. off course misguided as Ness has explained. The pastor bishop also thought he was addressing a demon. I would not be too concerned if it was really a demon, because they can manifest themselves physically through humans, so let's not be too emotional here guys :D But I just think in this particular instance, the bishop smacked someone who is just misguided, not possessed.
disclaimer: it's my 1st time seeing someone being smacked in a christian gathering. The only other time was when I tackled [football style from behind] one of the thugs who was stealing mobile phones from the ladys' rooms during an easter conference. thereafter other guys coming behind me smacked the thugs well :D
It doesn't happen all the time. This was most likely a crusade or special program. Doesn't excuse it though, but you should note that Africans take issues of witchcraft, especially among children, VERY seriously. From the testimonies I have heard and seen, most witches have been practicing since childhood.
It is really sad, but because of the endemic poverty and lack of education in many African countries, children are the main target of all sorts of evil elements.
Sad, yo! :(
Side note- my mom told us that when my sister and I were born, we were dedicated to the idols my grandfather used to serve. By the time my youngest sister was born, my mom absolutely refused.
Yeah, i know witchcraft isn't taken lightly in Africa [I'm sure in Asia as well?]
My pastor happens to be from Nigeria, and he is also very careful about witchcraft issues:
-yesteday I was at church and the caretaker had this load of clothes in his room. I asked him where that load is from. He told me that someone dropped it off at the church as a donation. But my pastor wasn't too happy because he doesn't know the people and has not seen them, so he wanted to burn the clothes or leave them by the street-side so that whoever wants them can take them.
It was just interesting for me because I would have dedicated the clothes to God, bring them under the cleansing power of His blood and give them to the needy.
But my pastor doesn't want to see such clothes inside the church.
So there are cultural dynamics in how we deal with everything. I'm sure if the bishop was in the US he wouldn't have slapped the woman, but he could get away with it in Nigeria.
Every now and again, a couple of pastors in India send us pics of their churches- most of the people are barefooted. If you do not understand the culture/ environment, you'd think they're possessed. but it's just an environmental/ cultural issue.
So in most likelihood, you'll find that 3/4 of the people who attended that meeting would be going on about how cool it was when the bishop slapped the "demon", meanwhile the woman is so humiliated and just wants to serve God.
But I got some ideas from that clip...for one day when i'm a bishop ;D
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Demons cannot be slapped because spirit beings cannot be physically touched.
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You're right. I feel dumb :-[
Anyway, what that bishop did was wrong- full-stop.
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Demons cannot be slapped because spirit beings cannot be physically touched.
THIS!!!
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Demons cannot be slapped because spirit beings cannot be physically touched.
and THERE it is.
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Demons cannot be slapped because spirit beings cannot be physically touched.
Ok, just had some thought:
1. Are angels spirit beings as well? [are demons fallen angels? -that's ques. #2]
-1a. If angels are spirit beings, how did they really sleep with the homos in Sodom & G? There are many other instances where angels seem to have taken a physical form. Can someone who has studied angels [or any believer for that matter] try to explain this to us.
btw, what do they call the study of angels and demons?
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Hm, dude did wrestle with an angel all nite.......
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I knew someone would mention Jacob, but I didn't think about Sodom and Gommorah. In any case, I am not of the belief that Jacob's case involved a spirit being. I will have to study the S&G story again.
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ah, Rue boogie may have a point, the Writ says wrestle with a MAN. original hebrew doent use the word for "angel" or "messenger"("mal'ak") So, yup, just realised something new. Prolly wasnt an spirit being, at least an angel, as we understand them.
Just read somewhere that there is a line of thought that suggests that the man was himself, as in "wrestle with your spirit". Not putting stock in it, just an interesting look.
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ah, Rue boogie may have a point, the Writ says wrestle with a MAN. original hebrew doent use the word for "angel" or "messenger"("mal'ak") So, yup, just realised something new. Prolly wasnt an spirit being, at least an angel, as we understand them.
Just read somewhere that there is a line of thought that suggests that the man was himself, as in "wrestle with your spirit". Not putting stock in it, just an interesting look.
Yes, I remember learning about that train of thought as well. But yes, as for your first paragraph, that's exactly what I would contend: it wasn't an angel and it probably wasn't a spirit being either.
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ah, Rue boogie may have a point, the Writ says wrestle with a MAN. original hebrew doent use the word for "angel" or "messenger"("mal'ak") So, yup, just realised something new. Prolly wasnt an spirit being, at least an angel, as we understand them.
Just read somewhere that there is a line of thought that suggests that the man was himself, as in "wrestle with your spirit". Not putting stock in it, just an interesting look.
Yeah, I had Jacob's story in mind as well, but decided to read it again before posting, and my bible did not state it point blank that Jacob wrestled an angel, hence the omission..
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Man, Nigerians do NOT take witchcraft and the occult lightly. One of the biggest taboos, even among educated Nigerians, is for anyone to touch their head. I mean folks will go straight nuts if a stranger touches their head.
:)
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Man, Nigerians do NOT take witchcraft and the occult lightly. One of the biggest taboos, even among educated Nigerians, is for anyone to touch their head. I mean folks will go straight nuts if a stranger touches their head.
:)
I pick that up alot from my pastor..
Sometimes it sounds like some movie when he tells me about these free-masons and occults etc :-\
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In the context of jacob;some translations have "angel of the LORD-meaning pre-incarnate CHRIST".CHRIST,in the flesh suffered all manner of "touch"including death and burial.
The story of the nephallium(assume that;s what you're referring to Mus?) angels or some "sons of god" desired/slept with women and bred a "super race" of "giants".I think they were the precursors of Goliath and his kin.
Luke 5(?) the demons cast into the pigs/lake questioned JESUS if "have YOU come to torment us before the time?"
I've heard a number of sermons ,but since WORD isn't really all that distinctive(imo)on this subject-I kinda gloss over it.
Read HEBREWS-JESUS is better lol
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i didn't make it past the slap in the video .... just :o