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Even with positive role models like Michelle Obama and Oprah Winfrey do you still think most of society sees most African American women as "ANGRY"?
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I think shows like "Basketball Wives" and "Housewives" do a pretty good job of negating most of the influence the Michelles and Oprahs have on that particular stereotype. It's like we're shooting ourselves in the foot and then complaining that the race isn't fair.
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Well said TJ!
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I think shows like "Basketball Wives" and "Housewives" do a pretty good job of negating most of the influence the Michelles and Oprahs have on that particular stereotype. It's like we're shooting ourselves in the foot and then complaining that the race isn't fair.
With uplifted hands,
you are dismissed!
Well said TJ!
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Angry? This One never saw it that way.
Bitter/Damaged, on the other appendage, is more fitting.
This One's Twin Lincolns. ;)
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Im with teej. It's sad that so many black women embrace these shows that reinforce these stereotypes. When women watch these shows for so many years, they begin to act like these characters and the stereotype becomes even more true.
Angry? This One never saw it that way.
Bitter/Damaged, on the other appendage, is more fitting.
This One's Twin Lincolns. ;)
Most of the time if they are bitter, its because of their own choices.
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Im with teej. It's sad that so many black women embrace these shows that reinforce these stereotypes. When women watch these shows for so many years, they begin to act like these characters and the stereotype becomes even more true.
Most of the time if they are bitter, its because of their own choices.
*daps U13*
Yea, THAT statement won't start the fingers flying. :D :D
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What's more sad, is that when I assert myself in the work place or do my job as the supervisor, people always fall back on how they felt intimidated or whatever. That's not me, that's their own mind and preconceived notions.
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Yes...before "them" we were considered angry/aggressive
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I wouldn't use the word angry. Maybe sometimes too "strong". With black men being degraded for many years in this country, black women have assumed the stronger, more dominant role overall. Don't get me wrong, at some point the responsibility lies solely with black men to be stronger emotionally and take responsibility for us seeing the black woman as supposing to be angry/strong.
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I wouldn't use the word angry. Maybe sometimes too "strong". With black men being degraded for many years in this country, black women have assumed the stronger, more dominant role overall. Don't get me wrong, at some point the responsibility lies solely with black men to be stronger emotionally and take responsibility for us seeing the black woman as supposing to be angry/strong.
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*daps U13*
Yea, THAT statement won't start the fingers flying. :D :D
Yeah I just said that to see if one of the ladies here would get angry. :D ;)
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Even with positive role models like Michelle Obama and Oprah Winfrey do you still think most of society sees most African American women as "ANGRY"?
I don't know what most of society thinks since I tend to avoid most of society and its perspectives on things, being a Christian and all. I can only speak from my experience. In my experience, black women are just black women. They generally don't have angry dispositions, but can be angered like anyone else.
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Are most,if not all women angrier or more stressed or something??
Ladies,I'm asking in all honesty-based on what I see in many relationships that I'm privy to.I know a lot of decent guys who are in a fairly constant state of being spouse-abused by emotional bullies.
I see couples fighting over "hello,good morning,etc.".(in other words-ain't jack to get wound up about)
I sense it's a spiritual battle;many of these folks are "conflicted" in love/hate situations;my guess is it's unresolved @ home and travels and spills over @ work/school/church.
Something else to pray about!
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Are most,if not all women angrier or more stressed or something??
Ladies,I'm asking in all honesty-based on what I see in many relationships that I'm privy to.I know a lot of decent guys who are in a fairly constant state of being spouse-abused by emotional bullies.
I see couples fighting over "hello,good morning,etc.".(in other words-ain't jack to get wound up about)
I sense it's a spiritual battle;many of these folks are "conflicted" in love/hate situations;my guess is it's unresolved @ home and travels and spills over @ work/school/church.
Something else to pray about!
Crazy comes in all colors.
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Are most,if not all women angrier or more stressed or something??
Ladies,I'm asking in all honesty-based on what I see in many relationships that I'm privy to.I know a lot of decent guys who are in a fairly constant state of being spouse-abused by emotional bullies.
I see couples fighting over "hello,good morning,etc.".(in other words-ain't jack to get wound up about)
I sense it's a spiritual battle;many of these folks are "conflicted" in love/hate situations;my guess is it's unresolved @ home and travels and spills over @ work/school/church.
Something else to pray about!
Crazy comes in all colors.
True. It's just that the dynamics of the situation varies between races.
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Black women ain't angry....
unless you make em.
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T Block loves black women, and black women love T Block. :D
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T Block loves black women, and black women love T Block. :D
AMEN and AMEN!!! :D
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Thinking of whether I should respond. :)
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Thinking of whether I should respond. :)
Hold on, let me make sure your lady is tuned in before you speak...
:D
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Hold on, let me make sure your lady is tuned in before you speak...
:D
She doesn't fit the angry description else I might still be single. :)
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Thinking of whether I should respond. :)
Go ahead, don't be 'scared
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Yeah I just said that to see if one of the ladies here would get angry. :D ;)
I knew where you was going...lol! :D
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Crazy comes in all colors.
Nessa, I think he included "all" women in his comment"... ;) However, I agree with T., I don't see black women as being angry, just trying to deal with many responsibilities that in all fairness, black men should be taking care of; However, do they cross the line sometimes and won't let the man take the lead? I think the answer would be yes, but only because they have been doing it all for far too long.
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Nessa, I think he included "all" women in his comment"...
I know. I was just agreeing.
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Ness is correct(as she is much of the time).
I've been listening to a number of pastors who are warning the men to man up and protect their wives!! What I get is the feeling that women are under heavy attack spiritually and perhaps turning "ON" their mates instead of "TO " them(for support.
Just my take.
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Nessa, I think he included "all" women in his comment"... ;) However, I agree with T., I don't see black women as being angry, just trying to deal with many responsibilities that in all fairness, black men should be taking care of; However, do they cross the line sometimes and won't let the man take the lead? I think the answer would be yes, but only because they have been doing it all for far too long.
What responsibilities are you talking about?
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Black women for the most part have been taking care of the household even in slavery times, maybe not because black women then wanted us too, but because it was necessary. That was a distinct plan at that point, the question is have black men as a whole have realized it? If you degrade a man to a certain extent, what will he do TJ, oh I mean U13, you both strike me as very intelligent smart brothers!...
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Black women for the most part have been taking care of the household even in slavery times, maybe not because black women then wanted us too, but because it was necessary. That was a distinct plan at that point, the question is have black men as a whole have realized it? If you degrade a man to a certain extent, what will he do TJ, oh I mean U13, you both strike me as very intelligent smart brothers!...
I'm not going into this again, but it's still a distinct plan. :D
So now that it's no longer necessary and it's making them angry, why do black women still want to hold on to this structure? To me it seems like even when black men do right and are on point, women still wont trust him to lead her and their kids.
And I disagree that black women have been taking care of the household since slavery. Yes we have been matriarchal, but for 100 years after slavery ended, black women and men were getting married and we didn't have this problem. The old folks tell me of a time where it used to be shameful for a girl to have a baby out of wedlock. Now it's celebrated and proudly considered as being strong.
So have we realized it? I say it mostly depends on the way we we're raised and what we were indoctrinated with by our parent(s). Too many of us are living the life portrayed in the movie "Baby Boy". You can't just tell a boy to be a man and take care of his responsibilities when his mother has babied him his entire life.
And thanks for the compliment. :)
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What I had been noticing,(and maybe pay attention to this) :in many gatherings;church,social,work,in less than 5 minutes-women will find something to rag on/at their mate.Like life is a perpetual,running war zone-what a waste of time and effort.
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This country still firmly believes in the angry black woman. It doesn't matter if her anger is rational or not, or even if she's actually angry. (seriously, in certain places, her reasonable opposition to a statment is perceived as anger even if she doesn't look or sound angry. She could be having a bad day. Generally, no smile = angry for black women) If she is percieved to be angry at all, the stereotype is applied to her and she is immediately treated like a hungry lion that just got loose in the zoo and is about to attack.
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This country still firmly believes in the angry black woman. It doesn't matter if her anger is rational or not, or even if she's actually angry. (seriously, in certain places, her reasonable opposition to a statment is perceived as anger even if she doesn't look or sound angry. She could be having a bad day. Generally, no smile = angry for black woman) If she is percieved to be angry at all, the stereotype is applied to her and she is immediately treated like a hungry lion that just got loose in the zoo and is about to attack.
Part in bold, sooooo true.
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What I had been noticing,(and maybe pay attention to this) :in many gatherings;church,social,work,in less than 5 minutes-women will find something to rag on/at their mate.Like life is a perpetual,running war zone-what a waste of time and effort.
My uncle's and his wife were by recently; when he left the room she was telling all of his business. Yeah, he might be a little slow, but what kinda wife talks about her husband behind his back like that? ?/?
This country still firmly believes in the angry black woman. It doesn't matter if her anger is rational or not, or even if she's actually angry. (seriously, in certain places, her reasonable opposition to a statment is perceived as anger even if she doesn't look or sound angry. She could be having a bad day. Generally, no smile = angry for black women) If she is percieved to be angry at all, the stereotype is applied to her and she is immediately treated like a hungry lion that just got loose in the zoo and is about to attack.
I think black men have it worse. You guys may be seen as angry, but we're seen as a threat.
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I think black men have it worse. You guys may be seen as angry, but we're seen as a threat.
Which is probably why black dudes, probably, don't get people coming up to them telling them to smile. Lol. While I tend to agree with you, black women who are seen as angry are also seen as threats, ESPECIALLY if she gets loud. It's to the point where people expect for her to take off her earrings and break out the vasline. People expect the "super ghetto" to pop out of a black women when she's angry, or perceived as such. People think black people in general are a threat and are dangerous. I believe that while the stereotypes are different they create a similar result without breaking gender roles. Ex: Women are expected to be docile and friendly. Black women tend to be seen as sassy and unfriendly. Men are expected to be level headed and professional. Black men tend to be seen as irrational and excitable. Both of these things hinder both black men and women as they try to move forward in life.
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Which is probably why black dudes, probably, don't get people coming up to them telling them to smile. Lol. While I tend to agree with you, black women who are seen as angry are also seen as threats, ESPECIALLY if she gets loud. It's to the point where people expect for her to take off her earrings and break out the vasline. People expect the "super ghetto" to pop out of a black women when she's angry, or perceived as such. People think black people in general are a threat and are dangerous. I believe that while the stereotypes are different they create a similar result without breaking gender roles. Ex: Women are expected to be docile and friendly. Black women tend to be seen as sassy and unfriendly. Men are expected to be level headed and professional. Black men tend to be seen as irrational and excitable. Both of these things hinder both black men and women as they try to move forward in life.
Both genders have it bad concerning the perception of other minorities. As it pertains to our perception of one another, well, we simply have to do better in terms of interacting with one another as we strive to be more united as a people.
If, in fact, that is our desire...to be united as a people. :-\
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Koda, you are really doing your thing in this thread. Love both posts from you!
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Koda, you are really doing your thing in this thread. Love both posts from you!
+1
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Which is probably why black dudes, probably, don't get people coming up to them telling them to smile. Lol. While I tend to agree with you, black women who are seen as angry are also seen as threats, ESPECIALLY if she gets loud. It's to the point where people expect for her to take off her earrings and break out the vasline. People expect the "super ghetto" to pop out of a black women when she's angry, or perceived as such. People think black people in general are a threat and are dangerous. I believe that while the stereotypes are different they create a similar result without breaking gender roles. Ex: Women are expected to be docile and friendly. Black women tend to be seen as sassy and unfriendly. Men are expected to be level headed and professional. Black men tend to be seen as irrational and excitable. Both of these things hinder both black men and women as they try to move forward in life.
I mostly somewhat agree, but it goes deeper than that for black men. When we start getting into the way men think and our egos we will see that many white executives will see a black man as competition. Not just competition for climbing the corporate ladder, being successful and having material wealth, but also as sexual competition. I've seen it firsthand at my job and we even see it on TV. There's an episode of "The Office" where Idris Elba visits the office and the ladies literally go crazy over him. The same thing happens in real life and it drives white men crazy as they want that sexual attention for themselves.
So in that regard women are not a threat. That's why they get hired with no problem while black men, even qualified ones, often have a hard time getting corporate jobs, especially as managers.
And men have to smile just as much as the women. There was even a study that claimed that black men have have a "baby face" in order to be accepted into management positions. And any woman, even the ghetto ones can get a corporate job. When have we ever seen a ghetto brother working in some type of office or CS position? Most of us have to be nearly gay in order to not be seen as a threat.
As for black women getting loud in the workplace, 90% of them who are the loud type, act totally different when around white people at work. Watch "The Help" if you don't know what I mean. :D
I agree with you on the gender roles statements, I just think that with men, the problem is bigger than stereotypes
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I think black men have it worse. You guys may be seen as angry, but we're seen as a threat.
True.
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Black women ain't angry....
unless you make em.
T-Block you better wake up.