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Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
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Exodus 22:21
King James Version (KJV)
21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Exodus 22:21
Amplified Bible (AMP)
21 You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress him; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Exodus 22:21
The Message (MSG)
21 "Don't abuse or take advantage of strangers; you, remember, were once strangers in Egypt.
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Dude, go to bed.
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Seriously dude. Bed. Now.
And yes I know its morning.
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Are Mexican Immigrants being Oppressed?
Live in the Los Angeles area, and yes, I think some are being oppressed. IMO the most oppressed are the migrant farm workers, and those newest to the US. If they don't speak English or have green cards they are much more likely to be taken advantage of...
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Seriously dude. Bed. Now.
And yes I know its morning.
This.
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You guys don't feel his point is valid? I do.
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Pfft! You think everyone's point is valid, Momma Nessa.
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Pfft! You think everyone's point is valid, Momma Nessa.
No, no I don't.
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You guys don't feel his point is valid? I do.
What point? I'd like to see him post at least 5 solid examples of legal Mexicans as a whole being oppressed. And even then it would be hard for me to care even a little bit.
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So, you couldn't say that instead of dismissing him?
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I think the scriptures are valid (and frequently used to argue making provision for illegal immigrants, along with the Hebrews verse about entertaining angels unaware). But I don't think Mexicans are systematically oppressed - at least not any more than any minority. Further, if they are being oppressed they do have options (and I'm not talking about going back home, though that is a valid option as well).
So no I don't think its valid.
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He didn't say illegal.
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This is gonna be good...
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I agree that south American immigrants are consistently mistreated (profiled, denied opportunities) and presumed illegal when compared to their white European counterparts. They are also subjected to extra scrutiny as far as proving their status and right to be here.
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He didn't say illegal.
I know. I didn't say he said illegal. I referred to Mexicans in general, I didn't say anything about illegal Mexicans. My point about the scriptures was that it is used to say we should take care of illegals. After that sentence, I referred only to Mexicans in general.
I still fail to understand.... ehhh... nevermind.
I guess it doesn't matter whether others are "oppressed." This thread is about Mexicans and since I have nothing intelligent to add to a discussion about Mexican oppression, I'll bow out. :)
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I agree that south American immigrants are consistently mistreated (profiled, denied opportunities) and presumed illegal when compared to their white European counterparts. They are also subjected to extra scrutiny as far as proving their status and right to be here.
He didn't say anything about South Americans.
:-\ :) ?/?
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I guess it doesn't matter whether others are "oppressed." This thread is about Mexicans and since I have nothing intelligent to add to a discussion about Mexican oppression, I'll bow out. :)
Exactly.
Do Mexicans care about Black Americans being oppressed?
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*grabs popcorn*
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**Sits down next to Britt, yawns and pretends to stretch. Places arm gently around Britt's shoulders**
**Doesnt notice any negative reaction. Decides to get fresh**
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Mexicans are one group of South Americans, but the issues I mentioned impact most if not all South Americans. He asked if they are oppressed. The fact that your answer is no, doesn't mean his statement has no validity. On the contrary it appears it does have validity but since we're black, it loses importance because they are not black, or because we feel they don't care about our being mistreated, so we don't care about theirs. Is that an accurate representation?
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**Sits down next to Britt, yawns and pretends to stretch. Places arm gently around Britt's shoulders**
**Doesnt notice any negative reaction. Decides to get fresh**
:D :D
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Mexicans are one group of South Americans, but the issues I mentioned impact most if not all South Americans. He asked if they are oppressed. The fact that your answer is no, doesn't mean his statement has no validity. On the contrary it appears it does have validity but since we're black, it loses importance because they are not black, or because we feel they don't care about our being mistreated, so we don't care about theirs. Is that an accurate representation?
I thought Mexico was a part of North America. My bad. As I said in another thread, I suck at history (and geography too, and anything not-grammar or spelling... lol).
I didn't say that Mexicans aren't oppressed. I said that they aren't systematically oppressed AND if they are, it's no more so than other minorities. I'm just totally and completely confused as to why we're attempting a serious discussion about Mexican oppression. That's just weird to me. Seriously. Not being cynical or a jerk. I just think it's weird. Which is why I said I have nothing intelligent to add to this discussion. If we are having a general convo about minority groups being oppressed or even immigrants being oppressed, or whether Hispanic immigrants are more oppressed than non-Hispanic immigrants, I could probably chime in something halfway intelligent. But just to discuss whether Mexicans are oppressed? Nah, I can't. Why aren't we discussing whether Haitians are oppressed? Jamaicans? The poor? Pakistanis? Sudanese?
Idk. I just don't get it.
Oh, and for me, the black part is not as relevant as the issue with singling out Mexicans. But PhB's thought processes are as weird as mine, so maybe if he explained what brought him to that thought, it would all make sense for me.
Bottom line: it's just an incomplete question. It's like me posting a thread titled "are cows mistreated?" I have a right to post it, of course, and someone WILL have an intelligent response... but the majority will have no idea where I'm coming from, what I mean, why I'm asking, what I'm thinking, why I'm concerned about cows, but not pigs, etc....
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**Sits down next to Britt, yawns and pretends to stretch. Places arm gently around Britt's shoulders**
**Doesnt notice any negative reaction. Decides to get fresh**
***sits next to Fenix/Britt with my lady friend sharing popcorn***
LOL!!!
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***sits next to Fenix/Britt with my lady friend sharing popcorn***
LOL!!!
Really?!
What ya'll think this is? LOL
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***sits next to Fenix/Britt with my lady friend sharing popcorn***
LOL!!!
Dude, seriously? >:(
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You guys are absolutely crazy!!!! :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D
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Oh, and for me, the black part is not as relevant as the issue with singling out Mexicans. But PhB's thought processes are as weird as mine, so maybe if he explained what brought him to that thought, it would all make sense for me.
Our lesson at Church had the Verse from Exodus in it. While reading it I was reminded of the plight and discrimation that Mexican Immigrants face not only from the white majority but also by the black minority. So I wondered was I the only one who thought this and then I was going to hope the discussion could grow to what needs to be done.
I alwasy find it weird when I am talking to an elder whom I have much respect for but will treat someone who speaks english as a second language as if they are less than them. But it will be this same elder who will tell me about the oppression they experienced growing up. It is almost like we are continuning the cycle of oppression. We went through it and now we trying to force another group of people to go through ... to earn their stripes .... sort of like a pledging process
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Interesting that you only thought of Mexicans. But yeah.... oh well. Thanks for explaining. :)
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Our lesson at Church had the Verse from Exodus in it. While reading it I was reminded of the plight and discrimation that Mexican Immigrants face not only from the white majority but also by the black minority. So I wondered was I the only one who thought this and then I was going to hope the discussion could grow to what needs to be done.
How are Blacks oppressing Mexicans?
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Our lesson at Church had the Verse from Exodus in it. While reading it I was reminded of the plight and discrimation that Mexican Immigrants face not only from the white majority but also by the black minority. So I wondered was I the only one who thought this and then I was going to hope the discussion could grow to what needs to be done.
I alwasy find it weird when I am talking to an elder whom I have much respect for but will treat someone who speaks english as a second language as if they are less than them. But it will be this same elder who will tell me about the oppression they experienced growing up. It is almost like we are continuning the cycle of oppression. We went through it and now we trying to force another group of people to go through ... to earn their stripes .... sort of like a pledging process
Actually thats RACISM. Its also a reason why I dismiss the notion that black ppl "cant" be racist.
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Interesting that you only thought of Mexicans. But yeah.... oh well. Thanks for explaining. :)
no problem, glad you allowed me to explain
How are Blacks oppressing Mexicans?
Should the 2012 ballots be printed in english and spanish?
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no problem, glad you allowed me to explain
Should the 2012 ballots be printed in english and spanish?
What in the Sam B. Hello does that have to do with Black people?
UGH. Let me get out of this thread for real... good night y'all. I just can't.
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What in the Sam B. Hello does that have to do with Black people?
UGH. Let me get out of this thread for real... good night y'all. I just can't.
LOL, I understand that a lot of times we don't want to take responsibility for our ability to affect change in our communities. Granted the above question isn't my final question just the first of a few to see how U13 decides to respond.
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Actually thats RACISM. Its also a reason why I dismiss the notion that black ppl "cant" be racist.
Black people in America can not be racist. You guys can not name one thing that blacks systematically do that actually oppresses other races of people here in America. All black people do is TALK, white people go further and actually DO. And they do it with a system, something blacks don't have.
I'll make it real plain. If I stand on the corner everyday talking about how I'm gonna shoot and kill a bunch of people, does that make me a murderer? I'm not a murderer until I actually commit an act.
What in the Sam B. Hello does that have to do with Black people?
UGH. Let me get out of this thread for real... good night y'all. I just can't.
It was a trick. If I said no, he would accuse me of being racist. lol
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It was a trick. If I said no, he would accuse me of being racist. lol
Please make it plain is your answer yes or is your answer no.
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Please make it plain is your answer yes or is your answer no.
Please answer my question first.
How are Blacks oppressing Mexicans?
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Oppressed ... really? ::)
No.. I don't think so. Furthermore.. Mexicans are only a part of the Hispanic immigrant population and a lot of people like to lump them all together.. They should be required to learn English too IMO.. This is a nation of immigrants.. the one thing that unifies us is language .. and this whole bilingual business is ridiculous the way it is being done currently. People can come here and not even have to learn the language.. I had a woman say to me with her nose turned up in the air.. and this was 15+ years ago.. "Why do I need to learn English ... I speak Spanish at the bank.. my doctor is Spanish .. I shop at a Spanish store.. what I need English for? "
I think that "Mexican" immigrants who are legal citizens have just as much opportunity as anyone else.. in some cases more so... I think that any immigrant who is not here legally really doesn't have a leg to stand on anyway. Scripture also says to render unto Caesar what is his.. to obey the law.. I cant go to any other country and sneak in and just live.. and I certainly cant get any benefit other than free health care in some countries.. and if I don't speak the language then I am just up the proverbial creek.. I have seen to many cases of folks coming here and taking full advantage of the system.. in ways that I could never do.. No I don't see any oppression other than the same oppression that every other struggling person with few tax shelters and write offs experiences..
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@Layla's question about "Why Mexicans? Why not haitians Sudanese,e tc etc etc" Well, they can be discussed next. YOu can't talk about more than one topic at a time. I mean, really. That seems like a silly question to me. Why NOT Mexicans?
Also... Black people can't be racist? If I own a house with a peach tree with branches hanging over the fence and I don't allow the Indian walking down the sidewalk to pick one off because he's Indian, that's racism.
You don't have to be the all-powerful-The-Man to be racist. Come on. Racism doesn't have to be this big organized system headed by the guy in the top of the pyramid. And even if "black 'racists'" just talk, the tongue is a very powerful weapon. Hateful words poison the hearts of those who hear and speak them.
This is just so... maybe it's a matter of semantics... I've always thought racism was defined as discrimination based on race. I did not know it was so complicated.
Even if it's just in your little microcosm, a black owned business, or maybe even just a boarding house, if you give preferential treatment based on race, you are being racist.
Why don't yall show some actual occurrences and not hypothetical stories? Peaches? Really?
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As I bang my head against the wall, looking out the window enviously at all the other LGMers on the playground who are laughing and smiling and going up and down the slide, and swinging on the swings and playing hide-and-go-seek, and double dutch and hopscotch... I wonder, how did I get here and they're out there?? It's so unfair... Jonathan was just in here two seconds ago, and now he's outside playing. How did he get out and while I'm stuck in here?? Then I realize I brought it upon myself. The ones outside chose their course and I chose mine... so.... again....
I just can't.
Especially not with all this hypothetical, random, off-the-wall, irrelevant stuff...
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Hey Layla, I'm going on the see saw. I need someone on the other side. C'mon, join me!
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Hey Layla, I'm going on the see saw. I need someone on the other side. C'mon, join me!
**runs after LL to hop on the see saw**
Just don't kick off too hard and make me bang my bottom! :D
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**runs after LL to hop on the see saw**
Just don't kick off too hard and make me bang my bottom! :D
Naw, I've got you by about 100 lbs. I'll just sit there and let you hang in the air. :D
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Naw, I've got you by about 100 lbs. I'll just sit there and let you hang in the air. :D
Oooooh that was so mean. :( :P
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Oooooh that was so mean. :( :P
Sorry, just having fun. But, hey, at least it took your mind off of...other things...
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Sorry, just having fun. But, hey, at least it took your mind off of...other things...
Yes, and now my mind is on being stuck in mid-air terrified of how I'm gonna get down... wondering if you're gonna use this opportunity to get me back for that time I put gum in your chair... just like second grade. :'(
:D :D :D
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Yes, and now my mind is on being stuck in mid-air terrified of how I'm gonna get down... wondering if you're gonna use this opportunity to get me back for that time I put gum in your chair... just like second grade. :'(
:D :D :D
You know, I had nearly forgotten that incident- and how I was ridiculed endlessly because I had to go into a business meeting with gum on my booty. Thanks for the reminder. Enjoy the view.
*Opens up Kindle on phone and proceeds to read the longest book in the library*
Humph!
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Please answer my question first.
Violence Against Women Act established programs to help immigrant women who have been attacked. According to http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/violence-against-women-act-vawa-provides-protections-immigrant-women-and-victims-crime (http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/violence-against-women-act-vawa-provides-protections-immigrant-women-and-victims-crime)
Female immigrants are more likely to work in the informal labor market as domestic workers and caretakers and are less able to assert their rights or to be protected under current laws. Immigrant women workers are also vulnerable to rape, sexual abuse and harassment, or other gender-motivated exploitation in the workplace. Some immigrant women are brought to the United States through human trafficking networks and are forced to work under conditions of surveillance, threats of deportation, and physical harm.
In addition, both legal and unauthorized immigrant women may face challenges related to domestic violence, especially if their immigration status depends on an abusive spouse.
i will post more later i want to get to work early today. I plan on posting news articles about
policies at school that are meant to deny illegal immigrants an education that affect legal immigrants
The wait time for a mexican to become a legal immigrant compared to someone from a different country
(if i can find any) news article about immigration arresting people to return to their home country
. and i am sure i will think of some more later.
But to truly answer your question U13 in my opinion the way some (not all) African-americans are oppressing mexican immigrants is by saying nothing or doing nothing. But in the end my time is wasted you already stated you don't care. I guess I will just move on.
Also, I really like Betnich and Savnbass's answer especially the part about speaking english. I personally wouldn't mind if english became the official language of america.
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Mexico, even though in North America and adjacent to the U.S., is a foreign country and has a different basis of government, politics, economy, manufacturing, environmental control etc. than we do. In my mind, the greatest concern relative to Mexican immigration is that if their numbers become too large, they might vote in a manner not in the best interests of the United States, but to the advantage of Mexico. In certain areas(particularly the Southwest) they would be able to carry elections that relate to their own interests or those that relate to Mexico over and above those of the country as a whole.
I couldn't imagine going to live in Mexico and telling them that they need to teach their public school students in English to accommodate me.
We are not in a position to oppress the Mexicans as a race, and I don't perceive that we would want to. They are a larger minority than we are, and have always to my memory, been given the same full citizenship privileges as whites. That bothered me in my youth, since blacks who had been vested in America so long and were citizens, paid taxes, fought in wars etc were not afforded the same. That was not their doing though.
I never noticed any animosity from the Mexicans toward blacks. They just seemed to want to make some money, and would do any kind of work to do it. I think that is still true to a great extent. However, the truth of the matter is that the Mexican population would come much closer to impacting negatively on blacks than vice verso. (jobs, etc.)
Politically, we are more often on the same side of the fence because of shared socio-economic reasons.
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Violence Against Women Act established programs to help immigrant women who have been attacked. According to [url]http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/violence-against-women-act-vawa-provides-protections-immigrant-women-and-victims-crime[/url] ([url]http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/violence-against-women-act-vawa-provides-protections-immigrant-women-and-victims-crime[/url])
i will post more later i want to get to work early today. I plan on posting news articles about
policies at school that are meant to deny illegal immigrants an education that affect legal immigrants
The wait time for a mexican to become a legal immigrant compared to someone from a different country
(if i can find any) news article about immigration arresting people to return to their home country
. and i am sure i will think of some more later.
But to truly answer your question U13 in my opinion the way some (not all) African-americans are oppressing mexican immigrants is by saying nothing or doing nothing. But in the end my time is wasted you already stated you don't care. I guess I will just move on.
Also, I really like Betnich and Savnbass's answer especially the part about speaking english. I personally wouldn't mind if english became the official language of america.
1. That link does not show blacks oppressing mexicans.
2. Us Blacks don't even speak up or do anything for ourselves, so i don't know why we would expected to speak up for others.
To answer your question, no I do not believe that ballots should be in spanish. Why do you ask?
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1. That link does not show blacks oppressing mexicans.
2. Us Blacks don't even speak up or do anything for ourselves, so i don't know why we would expected to speak up for others.
To answer your question, no I do not believe that ballots should be in spanish. Why do you ask?
1. agree the link doesn't really show any one race oppressing immigrants nor does it exclude any one race
2. Which is one of my points i discovered from this thread thank you we can't speak up for ourselves nor can we speak up for someone else no wonder the LGBT community is making headway
The reason i asked about the spanish ballot is because it is a sensitive topic for a lot of people. I would ask more question but my point was to crowdsource this question just to see what others thought.
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Black people in America can not be racist. You guys can not name one thing that blacks systematically do that actually oppresses other races of people here in America. All black people do is TALK, white people go further and actually DO. And they do it with a system, something blacks don't have.
I'll make it real plain. If I stand on the corner everyday talking about how I'm gonna shoot and kill a bunch of people, does that make me a murderer? I'm not a murderer until I actually commit an act.
It was a trick. If I said no, he would accuse me of being racist. lol
My brother, circumstances of any kind do not judge whether a person can be racist or not. Nothing has to be reoccurring in public. Racism has NOTHING to do with oppression. Racism is a THOUGHT PROCESS. Oppression is an ACT of RACISM. You can be racist in your mind and NEVER exhibit ANY examples or actions of racism. Just as when the bible speaks on adultery (Matt 5:28), the mere thought is enough without action. To be honest, black ppl actually do it to Mexicans ALOT (and if you think about it, alot of third world countries). Just because another race has been dominant over us, it does not give us a "Racism free" card. Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time, and we even joke about it (the talk you speak of). From how many ppl they "pack" in their houses, to the Immigrant issue, alot of blacks look at them as an inferior race. It doesnt have to be negative. It can be out of sympathy, just as alot of whites used to in early history. Some felt bad for blacks, didnt have slaves, didnt discriminate, but in their minds it was "Aww, poor black ppl...a shame what they go through". Its just the thought that your race is superior to another, or that their race is inferior.
@Layla's question about "Why Mexicans? Why not haitians Sudanese,e tc etc etc" Well, they can be discussed next. YOu can't talk about more than one topic at a time. I mean, really. That seems like a silly question to me. Why NOT Mexicans?
Also... Black people can't be racist? If I own a house with a peach tree with branches hanging over the fence and I don't allow the Indian walking down the sidewalk to pick one off because he's Indian, that's racism.
You don't have to be the all-powerful-The-Man to be racist. Come on. Racism doesn't have to be this big organized system headed by the guy in the top of the pyramid. And even if "black 'racists'" just talk, the tongue is a very powerful weapon. Hateful words poison the hearts of those who hear and speak them.
This is just so... maybe it's a matter of semantics... I've always thought racism was defined as discrimination based on race. I did not know it was so complicated.
Even if it's just in your little microcosm, a black owned business, or maybe even just a boarding house, if you give preferential treatment based on race, you are being racist.
Actually, thats discrimination. You can discriminate and not be racist. You can also be racist and not discriminate. Discrimination requires power. Racism is just a mindset. Thanks to the army Im VERY well versed in the differences and how ppl intertwine those type words. :)
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My brother, circumstances of any kind do not judge whether a person can be racist or not. Nothing has to be reoccurring in public. Racism has NOTHING to do with oppression. Racism is a THOUGHT PROCESS. Oppression is an ACT of RACISM. You can be racist in your mind and NEVER exhibit ANY examples or actions of racism. Just as when the bible speaks on adultery (Matt 5:28), the mere thought is enough without action. To be honest, black ppl actually do it to Mexicans ALOT (and if you think about it, alot of third world countries). Just because another race has been dominant over us, it does not give us a "Racism free" card. Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time, and we even joke about it (the talk you speak of). From how many ppl they "pack" in their houses, to the Immigrant issue, alot of blacks look at them as an inferior race. It doesnt have to be negative. It can be out of sympathy, just as alot of whites used to in early history. Some felt bad for blacks, didnt have slaves, didnt discriminate, but in their minds it was "Aww, poor black ppl...a shame what they go through". Its just the thought that your race is superior to another, or that their race is inferior.
Actually, thats discrimination. You can discriminate and not be racist. You can also be racist and not discriminate. Discrimination requires power. Racism is just a mindset. Thanks to the army Im VERY well versed in the differences and how ppl intertwine those type words. :)
It's always nice to have you around, BBG. :)
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My brother, circumstances of any kind do not judge whether a person can be racist or not. Nothing has to be reoccurring in public. Racism has NOTHING to do with oppression. Racism is a THOUGHT PROCESS. Oppression is an ACT of RACISM. You can be racist in your mind and NEVER exhibit ANY examples or actions of racism. Just as when the bible speaks on adultery (Matt 5:28), the mere thought is enough without action. To be honest, black ppl actually do it to Mexicans ALOT (and if you think about it, alot of third world countries). Just because another race has been dominant over us, it does not give us a "Racism free" card. Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time, and we even joke about it (the talk you speak of). From how many ppl they "pack" in their houses, to the Immigrant issue, alot of blacks look at them as an inferior race. It doesnt have to be negative. It can be out of sympathy, just as alot of whites used to in early history. Some felt bad for blacks, didnt have slaves, didnt discriminate, but in their minds it was "Aww, poor black ppl...a shame what they go through". Its just the thought that your race is superior to another, or that their race is inferior.
Actually, thats discrimination. You can discriminate and not be racist. You can also be racist and not discriminate. Discrimination requires power. Racism is just a mindset. Thanks to the army Im VERY well versed in the differences and how ppl intertwine those type words. :)
And how does any of that hurt or oppress Mexicans? That is what this thread is about.
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Actually, thats discrimination. You can discriminate and not be racist. You can also be racist and not discriminate.
This is how I know we're siblings for real.
I typed this exact thing yesterday, then forced myself to delete it, sacrificing my pride and ego's desire to respond...
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My brother, circumstances of any kind do not judge whether a person can be racist or not. Nothing has to be reoccurring in public. Racism has NOTHING to do with oppression. Racism is a THOUGHT PROCESS. Oppression is an ACT of RACISM. You can be racist in your mind and NEVER exhibit ANY examples or actions of racism. Just as when the bible speaks on adultery (Matt 5:28), the mere thought is enough without action. To be honest, black ppl actually do it to Mexicans ALOT (and if you think about it, alot of third world countries). Just because another race has been dominant over us, it does not give us a "Racism free" card. Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time, and we even joke about it (the talk you speak of). From how many ppl they "pack" in their houses, to the Immigrant issue, alot of blacks look at them as an inferior race. It doesnt have to be negative. It can be out of sympathy, just as alot of whites used to in early history. Some felt bad for blacks, didnt have slaves, didnt discriminate, but in their minds it was "Aww, poor black ppl...a shame what they go through". Its just the thought that your race is superior to another, or that their race is inferior.
I don't know if it's fair and accurate to say that "Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time." Maybe a qualifier like "some Blacks"? I honestly can't say that I know any Black people that categorically look down on Mexicans as a specific group. And I've definitely never heard anyone refer to them as inferior.
If you're using the example of joking them, I don't condone making stereotypical jokes, but I won't say that that's "looking down" on them. When I think about looking down, I think about being condescending, arrogant, thinking you're better or acting like you're better. Kinda turning up your nose to people. I can't deny that SOME Black people might do that toward SOME immigrant groups, but I don't think Blacks in general turn up their noses to Mexicans specifically. At least not from what I've ever experienced. I have STRONGGGG opinions about immigration and illegal immigration - no matter where people migrate from - but none of my attitudes or treatment or behavior toward immigrants is condescending. I think that's the case with many, if not most people. Again, not denying that it happens, but I don't think it's as widespread as your post implies.
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I don't know if it's fair and accurate to say that "Blacks look down on Mexicans all the time." Maybe a qualifier like "some Blacks"? I honestly can't say that I know any Black people that categorically look down on Mexicans as a specific group. And I've definitely never heard anyone refer to them as inferior.
I apologize as I was going with the threads' trend where in reference to race, it wasnt a "Everyone does this" it was a "people of this color participate in" way. For ex. U13 stated:
2. Us Blacks don't even speak up or do anything for ourselves, so i don't know why we would expected to speak up for others.
Vast generalization (which isnt 100% true), but I figured he was referring to race in general.
If you're using the example of joking them, I don't condone making stereotypical jokes, but I won't say that that's "looking down" on them. When I think about looking down, I think about being condescending, arrogant, thinking you're better or acting like you're better. Kinda turning up your nose to people. I can't deny that SOME Black people might do that toward SOME immigrant groups, but I don't think Blacks in general turn up their noses to Mexicans specifically. At least not from what I've ever experienced. I have STRONGGGG opinions about immigration and illegal immigration - no matter where people migrate from - but none of my attitudes or treatment or behavior toward immigrants is condescending. I think that's the case with many, if not most people. Again, not denying that it happens, but I don't think it's as widespread as your post implies.
Many blacks DO do that sis. Im speaking mostly from observation. Its really not specific, as even when I was in Iraq, there was an air of superiority towards the locals, partly because they were poor. and I agree with the "Some" as I dislike generalizing a whole party (see above lol). But like I said earlier, it doesnt have to be in an arrogant, "bougie" manner. Thats just the most easy to recognize. Thats like when for ex. a white person doesnt believe accusations of someone being racist because they didnt outwardly show anger or disdain ( I use that because its easier to relate). You are also judging this from a personal standpoint. Trust me, Im rather quite unless its on things I have experienced. Ours just differ :). I still hear it on a regular basis, and Ive lived in 6 states lol. I may argue stats or opinions, but I dont argue experiences. I think when something has happened to one for so long, its harder to see that one is now doing some of the same things to another.
And how does any of that hurt or oppress Mexicans? That is what this thread is about.
Your statement said Black ppl in America cant be racist, which is false.
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I don't totally disagree with you. Yeah a lot of us my look down on Hispanics, but it does not hurt or oppress them, hence you guys can't give me one example of any such oppression.