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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: eversoclear on February 24, 2005, 01:14:47 AM
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My boy is off the chains, I have video off him also, if you have never seen him live he is awesome, and very down to earth. Click on the link below.
http://www.brownfloyd.com/gallery/displayimage-90-0.html
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Your boy has good chops, although the band gave him a solo at the end. I feel that it don't serve to music, it took away from the music. He gave a tight pocket but when he start soloing on one of the tracks, his technical flash was to busy for the track.
The other track I feel he sure of left off the double fill intro! Good player just need to stay in the pocket. Drummers need to realize that pocket playing get you work! Or a return call, chops are good but most of the time not require ( the groove is first )
So young drummer learn all the technical stuff you want, but the bottom line is it will not get you work in the industry. Remember this KISS
Keep It Simple Stupid!
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Someone always has to say something negative. So you telling me to stay pocket in a solo? I bet you wouldnt stay pocket in a drum solo. And please tell me how it took away from the music!!! Please tell me!!!
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dude, you must not know what drummer that is, that was lil john roberts originally from philly and trust me you must not know much about his playing, take my word I have seen him perform live and do things in a song that will have you scratching you head all night[/img]
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By the way as far as the band giving him a solo at the end, That recording was done live at jazz club and if you know a little about bands and live performances they usually feature one or more musicians during a certain set of song, be it a sax player, keyboard player, bass etc... I can say this he must be doing something right to have played with well just about everyone, janet, musiq, lucy pearl, George Duke,UNCF tribute, and a dozen or so different jazz artist. I have talked to him on numerous occasions and he knows about keeping things simple, But when it is that time to solo he can, besides a solo is one's self expression through there instrument.
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By the way as far as the band giving him a solo at the end, That recording was done live at jazz club and if you know a little about bands and live performances they usually feature one or more musicians during a certain set of song, be it a sax player, keyboard player, bass etc... I can say this he must be doing something right to have played with well just about everyone, janet, musiq, lucy pearl, George Duke,UNCF tribute, and a dozen or so different jazz artist. I have talked to him on numerous occasions and he knows about keeping things simple, But when it is that time to solo he can, besides a solo is one's self expression through there instrument.
I really do agree!!!
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nice man tight pocket & real nice licks :D it was a beutiful sound un my ears :cry: :cry: :cry: :lol: if u got anytrhing else that we can hear throw it on here :D
out :wink:
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HE SOUNDED NICE TO ME...HIS GROUP (FROM THE CLIP) HAS A CD?? IF SO, WHAT'S THE NAME OF IT...I MAY HAVE TO CHK THE CD OUT!!
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:lol: :lol: :cry: :cry: 8O :cry: :cry: :cry: ... I saw dis Cat live like 2 weeks ago at CCC at a sistas in spirit ConCert Crushed......Im bout 2 go praCtiCe :cry: :cry: :evil:
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lilben,
bruh no your boy is bad I'm hating all I'm saying is that when you solo there a pulse still being generated. Some time in a solo we tend to put to much in it. Over do it! Plus you want to stay musical stay in the spirit of the song. All drummer need to do is hit accent and play the groove. Your boy is technical bruh!
peace
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tayedrumguy, let me ask you have you even heard of lil john roberts before? If not go check the janet jackson velvet rope tour video/DVD. I understand what your saying trust me but I give props when they are due and he can teach me anything anytime about playing.
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You sound like one of my old drum instructors at a music camp (Jahleel Eli). No offense at all do not take this the wrong way please.
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lilben, no offense taken, I just hate it when people can always take apart someone else's playing. We all are blessed with a God given talent and I am not a big headed person, I am my worst critic. The biggest issue I have always found with some drummers is the ego. Lets use what we have been blessed with and give God praise in doing it!
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lilben, no offense taken, I just hate it when people can always take apart someone else's playing. We all are blessed with a God given talent and I am not a big headed person, I am my worst critic. The biggest issue I have always found with some drummers is the ego. Lets use what we have been blessed with and give God praise in doing it!
I wasnt talking about you I was talking about tayedrumguy.
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oh okay, my bad :D
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Yo, what is tayedrumguy talking about. Eversoclear and lilben, I don't think he understands who we're talking about. He's making assumptions off of a couple of clips (which by the way does lil john no justice). Lil' John is one of the modern day veterans of the drum industry. He's played with so many well known artists. Like eversoclear said, he's played with janet, george duke, as well as jonathan butler, kirk whalum, boney james, kindred, marc antoine, just to name a few. I understand what tayedrumguy is saying about the pocket...trust. I'm sure it wasn't only his chops that got lil john all of his gigs. Besides, this IS lil john. Dude can play 6/8 in a 4/4 and it wouldn't even matter to me. This cat's a living legend and has earned the right to do anything he wants when it comes to drumming concepts. He has earned a name for himself, so if he wants to play a whole song with just a bass drum, I'm sure the gigs will keep rollin' in (no offense tayedrumguy).
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I don't know what this fella, tayedrumguy, is thinking but come on man. You sound like a cat who is slack on the chops. I honestly don't mean to be mean or come off wrong. This is a Christian site and I don't want to offend but, it sounds to me like you have some issues with your chops or the lack there of. Lil Jon has most certainly displayed his pocket presence over the years. I don't believe you know who this dude is but he is well known in the game. Try getting out more.
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Yo congahead. Love ya quote " "
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Yo, thanks for putting that clip of lil John on the board. I'm always looking to hear what the Vets are working these days. This clip is definite keeper. I just want to encourage all the drummers, keep working on your craft. God has blessed each one of us with and individual creativity...Much Love to y'all.
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what up guys,
Cool, bros! I respect your opinions i'm not an instructor by know means. I make my living playing fulltime. I'm 31 yrs old still young :D but, to me younger cats seems to be just caught up on licks, fills. It more to it then that bruh! All I'm trying to do is help a few of you guys. When you help others, you help yourself. If you knew me you would never say I have a ego! I will give my shirt off of my back!
Trust me I have been toured around the world, I've played in place where people dream of just taken a vacation. I'm trying to give and help some of you guys out who are thinking about a career in music. Just because a guy isn't on a CD,Video, or some other exposed scene doesn't mean he isn't doing good. I'm taken care of my family off playing.
All I'm saying is change your approach to playing guys. Think musicial! Flash is good and all but it can lead you to the unemployment line too. I know I been there got that trophy! You want guys to respect your ablilty to groove first. Like ?uestlove,steve jordan, the cat in nashville playing country! See what I'm saying!
Don't mistake me learn the flash stuff! But keep it as a tool box, one day you might get to use it or not. When you go to a job you want to bring all your tools, because you don't know which tool you might need right? Lets keep it real here do you know how hard it is to play simple? Drummers and myself focus on the wrong things.
Here is a example! ( I'm guity of this!)
I brought the New breed video, It motivated me to learn some of chris licks right. Whats the first thing I do? Soon as I went to the gig, I started throwing in his licks. Then when the sound engineer give me a cd I find that I wasn't not thinking or playing musicial. I was selfish I just wanted to do my thang.
I hope this help someone start thinking musical. Let your ear tell you which cymbal to hit. Not because I just brought a new AAX so I better crash it, it might not fit that partical song! I pray someone listen to what I'm saying and one day think back and say, some guy on the net told me think musical.
Hit me back!
love you guys in Jesus
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I don't know your boy! I might of been taking the wrong way with my comment. But again like I said your boy is techincal ( that mean he can play he got chops ). :lol:
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congohead,
never that bruh I can hold my own! You must be young because number one, I don't have to agree with you. # two, there is room for everyone in the business even if I was playing a bucket I can find work! :wink: That clip was helpful by the way I'm studying it myself! It was my first time finding out about him.
Not that I have to go there, but I'm saved bro! Tell me how my opinion was un Godly! If you post a clip of your playing, bet you someone might like it or not , right :)
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tayedrumguy,
I don't understand your reply to my post. I never told you to agree with me, I never that there isn't enough room for cats in the business. As a matter of fact I never even said you could hold your own. I don't know maybe you do have more chops than Bruce Lee and maybe you are really nasty. All I am saying is that it sounded as though you were kind of hating on lil jon. Again I'm not saying you were but it seemed that way. I was hoping you didn't miss understand my point. From the posts that I have read, it seems like alot of us have an uderstanding of how important pocket is. We are not saying oh, if you don't do a trick you suck no, no, no. As a matter of fact ?uestlove gets much respect from this forum. We love pocket and we love flash, we appreciate both.
Michael Jordan is one of the most prolific basketball players in history. He helped to bring his sport to another dimension. He could have come out and just shot the ball all day, do a couple of layups here and there but, he would not have been the MJ most of us know and love. He dunked jumping from the foul line, he tossed fancy passes across the court, he had his toungue hanging out the side of his mouth. He helped add color to the game, he brought diverse basketball. He knew there was a time to shoot the rock, a time for dunking and all that.
It is truly o.k. to come out when the time and feel is right. A solo is a solo. I know i'm not gonna rock a groove through out my solo. That's your chance to add a little more color to the canvas. If the MD syays open up, That's what he wants you to do. Trust me if your rocking with a hot, well rounded HD he will tell you when you need to pull back. That's all I'm saying.
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tayedrumguy must not know about lil john roberts. yeah he must know how to keep money in his pockets playing for janet, musiq, and tons of jazz artists. go buy the janet velvet rope dvd. man lil john is a very, very pocket player. but when its time for him to open up, he can do it very well. he is not to be slept on.
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congahead,
my reply was from what you were talking about on the first page. The reason why I said there room in the business, both pocket and soloist get their's. I don't know lil jon, he's good bruh. I was saying cats in this forum seems to be all about flash& chops. Its all good! I'm sorry bruh much love :lol: !
I didn't mean to pis anyone off in this forum. I was just going against the grain to hear cats opinions! I feel this forum is 98% flashers and 2% pockets cats. Your can tell how this guys just only blow up calvin rodgers!And now chris coleman( come on ) you feel me!
How many time you went to a church and the drummer start add licks and you were think dude just play the song? :lol:
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Oh no doubt! I feel you and I say it all the time. When I first started reading these posts I was like, " yo, fellas there is an element to playing that a few of us drummers call pocket." I was like what cats like Jeff Davis, ?uestlove etc. I feel you a hundred percent on the pocket thing. I'm always preaching pocket to all the young drummers here in the Bean. It just seemed as though you were getting on lil Jon and I couldn't understand it because that's what that portion of the song was all about, Lil Jon opening up. It's all love Taye and I really respect you alot more for stating your case and sticky to it. I truly respect that. :) FRIENDS?
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When I read some of the comments of this chat session, I decided to chime-in and provide some ground work for the Cat being discussed.
I have had the pleasure of knowing John since the early 90's when he was about 17 (at the time he had already worked with Joey DeFrancesco and Brandford Marsalis). Even at the age of 17 he we was being requested by many of the top artists in Philadelphia.
At the time John was the drummer for the Penn Gospel Choir, which consisted of some great musicians including Steven Ford, James Poyser and Eddie White. I had the opportunity to watch John do some things that, to this day, I still cannot believe. John then attended Berklee College of Music in Boston (Belive me, he knows about staying in the pocket) and has grown in a complete drummer.
John has worked with some of the top artists in the industry, including:
Richard Elliot, Marc Antoine, George Benson, Everette Harp, The Dramatics, Barry White, Bob Baldwin, Ramsey Lewis, Will Smith, George Duke, Janet Jackson, Musiq, Peter Lorber, Norman Brown, Rachelle Ferrell, Steven Ford and James Poyser.
John has also designed his own drum stick, The Lil' John Robert's Philly Style by Vater. http://www.vater.com/newproducts/product.cfm?M=153Peace and Blessings
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Lil John is all pocket!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Man look, it is difference between studio and live, and Lil John Roberts can do both. You can tell he is a clean drummer by just listening to his fills within the groove. If somebody is given you a solo live on the drums, and the band is throwing those hits at you, you betta grab everyone of them. Especially when you are just in a band setting with no singers. The floor was open, and he danced his socks off! I think that your ears Mr.Tayedrummer just are not accustomed to listening to fills like that over hits like that! 8)
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Let me say this I understand what your saying tayedrumguy, my purpose for exposing the clip was for the purpose of entertainment, to show off some of lil john's many skills, I agree totally about the pocket and how that is the most important thing, Believe me I do! But again my purpose of the clip was not to show the pocket side of his playing but the solo ability and that was only the tip of the ice berg. Lil john is actually about or around your age tayedrumguy and believe me he knows the importance of the pocket and time. You should find the magazine from Modern Drummer that featured him and had a interview, he stated numerous times about how the pocket is home everything else is iceing on the cake. Again I think you missed the point of the clip, Sure we can post clips of songs just showing the groove of a drummer and that's it, but we all are facinated by the ability of others. I think any drummer in here who loves music and loves to play and wants a gig or wants to keep a gig knows the importance of the pocket. Just take the clip for what it was called A SOLO.
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does anyone know when this clip was taken? I know it's from the Kevin Griffin band, but when???
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that boy is SICK.....
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Duvals lil johnLumpkin I make my living from playing bruh. I'm raising a family with 3. So, I understand hit and punches!