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Main => Gospel Music Lounge => Topic started by: PorcenaCedrick on July 12, 2012, 09:12:34 PM
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A new Pastor came to Atlanta seeking to start a Chuch. He's a fellow musician and one of my many teachers. The reason I mentioned that he's a fellow musician is because he uses Music as a way to appeal to everyone and connect with those he can't connect with through his preaching.
He's been struggling to start a church here for a while. I really want to help him. Here's what I was thinking I can do.
I Can plan three events and invite as many people as I can, Spread the word to different churches get a big turnout. With this I can ask for an Offering and support his ministry to get him started. While at the same time those that like the way he runs things can follow him and church up with him.
(Please Feed back on what you think of that as well)
But Here's The Main Problem I'm worried about.
THERE ARE TO MANY CHURCHES. As in to many churches that are all in the same situation, Broke and Can't pay bills. So Say he does get a few families to church up with him. How do I know that he will continually grow and be able to support the bills and the needs of his ministry?
I don't want another struggling church.
I am confident in both his Musician Skills and Pastoral skills... But like I said... will that be enough to keep his church stable?
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Is he trying to convert people, or is he looking for people who are already members of a church to join his church?
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^^^Good point
"Church Up" is a new term for me.
He (and you if you're thinking of helping him) need to drill down on the actual purpose for starting yet another church. What is he offering the community or the people he's trying to reach that's not already being offered? Does he feel that God called him, or is this just something he thinks he's good at? Did he wait on God's time, or did he just step out and start doing something?
Pastoring is a God-commissioned thing. I just don't believe that God is going to call you to this particular assignment and not make a way for you to reach the people to which you are assigned. That said, maybe you are an instrument for all of that to fall into place.
My answer: You need to pray and see if this is a God thing or just a good thing you're trying to do. If God sends you to help him, then that's all you need to know. If he struggles for the next fifty years, that's not really your concern.
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Tell him to join one of the thousands of churches in the Atlanta metro area and serve there for a while. What on earth does he have that none of the other churches in Atlanta have? :-\
But yeah if he's determined to go on with his plan he should hit the parks and the streets to minister to the ones who need it most: the lost.
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move to china work is needed there
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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Mme Rue and U13 here. Why on earth must he open a new church? What does he have to offer that he couldn't offer under any other church?
When did being a pastor mean you HAVE to have a church of your own?
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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Mme Rue and U13 here. Why on earth must he open a new church? What does he have to offer that he couldn't offer under any other church?
When did being a pastor mean you HAVE to have a church of your own?
When you don't want to be accountable to anyone.
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maybe there is a prison that doesn't have a committed ministry ... would be a great place to start
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Tell him to join one of the thousands of churches in the Atlanta metro area and serve there for a while. What on earth does he have that none of the other churches in Atlanta have? :-\
But yeah if he's determined to go on with his plan he should hit the parks and the streets to minister to the ones who need it most: the lost.
This right here!
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A new church in ATLANTA of all places?
Yeah what Rue, Nessa, U13, Fenix, PH and all the rest of them said.
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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Mme Rue and U13 here. Why on earth must he open a new church? What does he have to offer that he couldn't offer under any other church?
When did being a pastor mean you HAVE to have a church of your own?
Dude... :-\
So, there are these two churches in my area, one of which I attend, that possess small congregations, plain and simple. I've told my wife that we should partner with this other church (we fellowship together quite often, our two churches, that is) because in doing so I believe we could really help the community.
My wife always looks at me with this, 'Negro-you-know-that's-too-much-like-right' face. :-\ :D
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Tell him to join one of the thousands of churches in the Atlanta metro area and serve there for a while. What on earth does he have that none of the other churches in Atlanta have? :-\
But yeah if he's determined to go on with his plan he should hit the parks and the streets to minister to the ones who need it most: the lost.
Add me to the pile of people who said "this" to this.
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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Mme Rue and U13 here. Why on earth must he open a new church? What does he have to offer that he couldn't offer under any other church?
When did being a pastor mean you HAVE to have a church of your own?
When you don't want to be accountable to anyone.
That's why there are so many churches...too many chiefs not enough indians
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That's why there are so many churches...too many chiefs not enough indians
Absolutely.
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I'm putting a chapter on this in my book. I really am.
It's just so ridiculous and silly.
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When did being a pastor mean you HAVE to have a church of your own?
And THIS bears repeating. And RTing (retweeting).
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So, there are these two churches in my area, one of which I attend, that possess small congregations, plain and simple. I've told my wife that we should partner with this other church (we fellowship together quite often, our two churches, that is) because in doing so I believe we could really help the community.
You would THINK this would make sense, right?
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As for combining two churches, I remember a few years ago, I asked my pastor if we could invite another church to join us for our Watch Night service. I just didn't think it made sense to NOT do it together, as at the time, we had much fewer people, and they also have a small membership. Both pastors agreed to it. But it left me wondering, if churches can come together for occasions of fellowship, why not just come together period... especially if they each have 13 members. I mean, think about how many churches have just 13 members.... seriously... what on earth is your purpose? Can you just be real with yourself, oh pastor? Can you be honest and admit that the reason you want to 'pastor' is for power? money? perceived prestige? status? autonomy? authority without accountability?
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As for combining two churches, I remember a few years ago, I asked my pastor if we could invite another church to join us for our Watch Night service. I just didn't think it made sense to NOT do it together, as at the time, we had much fewer people, and they also have a small membership. Both pastors agreed to it. But it left me wondering, if churches can come together for occasions of fellowship, why not just come together period... especially if they each have 13 members. I mean, think about how many churches have just 13 members.... seriously... what on earth is your purpose? Can you just be real with yourself, oh pastor? Can you be honest and admit that the reason you want to 'pastor' is for power? money? perceived prestige? status? autonomy? authority without accountability?
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blasphemy...
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I feel the resurgence of Order in the Church.... :D
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As for combining two churches, I remember a few years ago, I asked my pastor if we could invite another church to join us for our Watch Night service. I just didn't think it made sense to NOT do it together, as at the time, we had much fewer people, and they also have a small membership. Both pastors agreed to it. But it left me wondering, if churches can come together for occasions of fellowship, why not just come together period... especially if they each have 13 members. I mean, think about how many churches have just 13 members.... seriously... what on earth is your purpose? Can you just be real with yourself, oh pastor? Can you be honest and admit that the reason you want to 'pastor' is for power? money? perceived prestige? status? autonomy? authority without accountability?
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Yea, I don't get it, either. I mean the two pastors are friends...GOOD friends at that. It just makes so much sense. *sigh*
You would THINK this would make sense, right?
Yea, I would. :-\
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As for combining two churches, I remember a few years ago, I asked my pastor if we could invite another church to join us for our Watch Night service. I just didn't think it made sense to NOT do it together, as at the time, we had much fewer people, and they also have a small membership. Both pastors agreed to it. But it left me wondering, if churches can come together for occasions of fellowship, why not just come together period... especially if they each have 13 members. I mean, think about how many churches have just 13 members.... seriously... what on earth is your purpose? Can you just be real with yourself, oh pastor? Can you be honest and admit that the reason you want to 'pastor' is for power? money? perceived prestige? status? autonomy? authority without accountability?
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Oh MY GOSH! I tell myself the same thing every time. There are a whole bunch of Haitian Churches in Gwinnett ! Each and every last one of them struggling to pay their bills on time(Or pay their bills period.) I figured if the join together they can at least combine their tithe and pay their dang bills! But let's take it from a spiritual stand point. Not every church has the perfect Ministry! If a churches combine than their Ministries can work together to bring more INDIANS TO THE CAMP.
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I was about to ask why you only referred to the Haitian churches but I just realized you have a Haitian name, so it all makes sense. :)
Sak pase. :D
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HA Mwen la E ou mem ? But I've been to the American Churches and I don't ever see them stuggle as openly as the WEST INDIES churches. That's better than specifically Haitian churches
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Hey since we've already answered the question, and I don't think it's worth another thread, I hope you won't mind my asking a related question here.
LGM: I'm not sure if I want this to be a part of my book or a separate book, but I'm thinking of a book that answers the question: why are you starting another church? A very rough idea is to interview maybe 25-50 pastors of small, start-up churches, <10 years old, and ask them the magic question: why did you decide to start your own church and not partner with someone else?
Keeping in mind the targeted audience (pastoral hopefuls, not lay members), is that an interesting question to answer?
In fact, I just answered my own question in my head. :D I guess I'm just thinking aloud.... I don't think it's interesting enough to sustain a book, but it might make an interesting chapter in a book if I select maybe 10-25 pastors instead of 25-50. Any thoughts?
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HA Mwen la E ou mem ? But I've been to the American Churches and I don't ever see them stuggle as openly as the WEST INDIES churches. That's better than specifically Haitian churches
Byen mesi. :)
Trust me, the American churches struggle as well. It's a small church thing (especially in Pentecostalism), not a WI church thing.
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Ummm, LaRue, please bring OITC back.........I still have it saved as a favorite and I get a little sad when I click on the link and get nada :'(
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Ummm, LaRue, please bring OITC back.........I still have it saved as a favorite and I get a little sad when I click on the link and get nada :'(
My mom just sent me an email saying the same thing. :(
Pray for my focus, please. I love OITC and I loved writing for it. I just have a hard time focusing on anything long enough.... I do have two ideas in my mind right now though... do pray for me.
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It'd be interesting if they actually told the truth. I think some don't even know the truth themselves. A lot of the ones I know we're influenced by people to start their own church.
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It'd be interesting if they actually told the truth. I think some don't even know the truth themselves. A lot of the ones I know we're influenced by people to start their own church.
I think that would be the underlying goal.... to tap into what the truth really is, even if they either don't know it or aren't willing to easily admit it. I have a friend who started a church in January. He was pastoring a 100-year old baptist church and resigned (from the paid position) to start his own church (unpaid). His son was only 7 months old. I kinda-sorta know his reasons because we had talked about it for at least two years before he really did it, but I'm going to ask him the question point blank just to get an idea of what types of answers to expect, and I'm going to ask him what he thinks about this as an idea.
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I feel bad, 'cause all I know how to say is "n'ap boule" lol.
That's what I was expecting him to say in return. :D :D :D
He went all formal on me. :D
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That's what I was expecting him to say in return. :D :D :D
He went all formal on me. :D
You Think that's formal? Wait till you hear the french. -_-. No Such thing as slang french.