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Title: G 11th and G13th
Post by: dwest2419 on June 04, 2013, 12:11:27 PM

What notes are optional when playing bigger chords like G11th and a G13th?

Title: Re: G 11th and G13th
Post by: berbie on June 04, 2013, 04:44:09 PM

For a 13th, I play a b7-3-6 with my right hand and a 1 with my left. Example, C13= C/Bb-E-A. F13= F/Eb-A-D.

Title: Re: G 11th and G13th
Post by: T-Block on June 05, 2013, 08:37:03 AM

Anything after the 7th chord, all you really need is the root, 3rd, 7th, and whatever extension note.

maj 11th: 1-3-7-11
dom 11th: 1-3-b7-11
min 11th: 1-b3-b7-11

maj 13th: 1-3-7-13
dom 13th: 1-3-b7-13
min 13th: 1-b3-b7-13

Title: Re: G 11th and G13th
Post by: berbie on June 05, 2013, 08:43:11 AM

Talking keyboards, a dominant 11th is easy.  Simply play the bass note of the chord desired, usually with the left hand, and a Major triad of the note one step below.  Example:  C11=  C/Bb-D-F or D-F-Bb or F-Bb-D.   You have the 1-b7-2(9)-4(11).

Title: Re: G 11th and G13th
Post by: T-Block on June 05, 2013, 11:16:44 AM

Quote from: berbie on June 05, 2013, 08:43:11 AM

Talking keyboards, a dominant 11th is easy.  Simply play the bass note of the chord desired, usually with the left hand, and a Major triad of the note one step below.  Example:  C11=  C/Bb-D-F or D-F-Bb or F-Bb-D.   You have the 1-b7-2(9)-4(11).

You have to note on that dom11 that the 3rd is missing. So, it's not a true dom11, but like you said it's an easy way to form the chord and get the same effect.

Title: Re: G 11th and G13th
Post by: berbie on June 05, 2013, 11:49:03 AM

To be honest, T, I don't know why I left out the 3rd. I'll put it back in there and see how it sounds. 

Title: Re: G 11th and G13th
Post by: berbie on June 07, 2013, 02:40:04 PM

Review reveals that it is not unusual to leave the third and fifth out.(dominant 11th)

Title: Re: G 11th and G13th
Post by: jlewis on June 10, 2013, 02:55:28 PM

Quote from: T-Block on June 05, 2013, 08:37:03 AM

Anything after the 7th chord, all you really need is the root, 3rd, 7th, and whatever extension note.

maj 11th: 1-3-7-11
dom 11th: 1-3-b7-11
min 11th: 1-b3-b7-11

maj 13th: 1-3-7-13
dom 13th: 1-3-b7-13
min 13th: 1-b3-b7-13

I agree with T-Block   here.    I typically leave in the 3  to distinguish between major/minor,   and I use the 7 or b7  to distinguish  between major7 and Dominant7.   Also for me whenever I hear or see 13, in my head I think 6.   whenever I hear  or see 11, in my head I think 4  ( and vice versa).  So for me its easy to substitute  a 13 chord for an add 6 chord,   and an 11 chord for an  add 4 chord ( and vice versa).

Jlewis