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Main => Ministry, M.O.M, Praise Teams and Choirs => Topic started by: churchyreal on December 06, 2005, 09:27:09 AM
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Would you agree with me in saying that it seems like musicians/Ministers of Music have the most hateful and arrogant attitudes of most people within the church. I say that not to actually say that musicians/Ministers of Music have the worst attitudes, but it seems to me like tempers flare more easily with musicians and anyone within the music ministry of the church than any other area of the church. I recently presented a handout to our choirs on Christ-like character. I believe that we as choir members and musicians ought to be able to maintain Christ-like character, no matter what part of the church we are working in. If anyone wants a handout, give me your email address and I will send you one. What do you all think?
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I haven't really seen this at my particluar church. We only have a drummer, a pianist, and me (Bass). We all are pretty mello. But I know how passionate artistic people are. So maybe it's not so much arrogance as it is the passion that we have as musicians, that comes off as hatefulness
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I think it is sometime that we as musicians are put to a lot more mentally. We can get pushed to the edge and sometimes we fall over it. Being a MOM can be very stressful. As regular ppl may deal with stress every now and then, with musicians, it can be a daily constant. We have to search for music to teach, learn the music, make sure all the other musicians get the music, rehearse the musicians, teach the choir, recruit, satisfy the congregation, and satisfy the pastor. With all that you have battle attitudes from every angle, manage your schedule, and try to maintain a christian attitude (which is enough itself).
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Wow :o that's crazy that you should bring this topic up, I have had this discussion with my mother on several occasions. For some reason It is a little more intense in the music department than in any other auxiliary and conflict occurs, uh I know what you mean about the attitudes and the arrogance cause I had to learn to deal with them all the time when I started learning how to play at one of my churches, and I agree with you in that aspect, cause I have encountered singers that don't want sing a certain song, and fellow musicians that act like they deaf!! but that stuff is not the problem, cause that's going to happen any where you go, but it's the way they handle it that determines if there is going to be conflict or not. My mother always tells me to say sweet just like I am cause the music ministry, and the people therein are always going to be cutting edge, that's just the way it is, and people will want to work with you and things can get accomplished when you have a seasoned perspective on things and you're not trying to throw you power and authority around. There is so much entailed in the music department, and that's why egos get so heavily involved, that's why I think the music ministry of church not only needs the rehearsals every week, but prayer on a sincere level concerning everyone in the music department, so it won't be like anyone is overlooked and no one gets the big head and all kinds of things that happen when there is not enough prayer and focus on God, but on the Gifts he has given us. The music ministry needs to be to the point to where God can have his way and His spirit moves freely and touches the Rest of the Congregation so that we can enter into worship and glorify his name his works and his wonders. With all that being said, you kinda get the idea of how important this part of the ministry is, that's why it is so tedious and is kinda a lot of work. It takes the ANOINTING YALL! :!: :D To successfully accomplish this and teamwork, then we throw away all the pride, attitudes, egos and arrogance, and try to get closer to God. uh think this is something we should take serious and be dedicated about. Things just might go easier this way and people's behavior might even change as well :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: So pray and stay humble, 8) dont get no attitude with folks 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) be cool yall love peace soul and the HolyGhost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D
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I want the hand out cief, momrickshaun05@yahoo.com
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Wow :o that's crazy that you should bring this topic up, I have had this discussion with my mother on several occasions. For some reason It is a little more intense in the music department than in any other auxiliary and conflict occurs, uh I know what you mean about the attitudes and the arrogance cause I had to learn to deal with them all the time when I started learning how to play at one of my churches, and I agree with you in that aspect, cause I have encountered singers that don't want sing a certain song, and fellow musicians that act like they deaf!! but that stuff is not the problem, cause that's going to happen any where you go, but it's the way they handle it that determines if there is going to be conflict or not. My mother always tells me to say sweet just like I am cause the music ministry, and the people therein are always going to be cutting edge, that's just the way it is, and people will want to work with you and things can get accomplished when you have a seasoned perspective on things and you're not trying to throw you power and authority around. There is so much entailed in the music department, and that's why egos get so heavily involved, that's why I think the music ministry of church not only needs the rehearsals every week, but prayer on a sincere level concerning everyone in the music department, so it won't be like anyone is overlooked and no one gets the big head and all kinds of things that happen when there is not enough prayer and focus on God, but on the Gifts he has given us. The music ministry needs to be to the point to where God can have his way and His spirit moves freely and touches the Rest of the Congregation so that we can enter into worship and glorify his name his works and his wonders. With all that being said, you kinda get the idea of how important this part of the ministry is, that's why it is so tedious and is kinda a lot of work. It takes the ANOINTING YALL! :!: :D To successfully accomplish this and teamwork, then we throw away all the pride, attitudes, egos and arrogance, and try to get closer to God. uh think this is something we should take serious and be dedicated about. Things just might go easier this way and people's behavior might even change as well :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: So pray and stay humble, 8) dont get no attitude with folks 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) be cool yall love peace soul and the HolyGhost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D
I agree with you.The music ministry is very important that we be on one accord.
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Let me put my 2 cents worth in...
I think that a lot of times us musicians that are the main players in church, our gift HAS to work everytime we come in the building. Most associate ministers come to church and they know they don't have to preach or minister, but I know that as soon as I hit the parking lot, it's on. I have to be able to flow, know and glow, and if it's anything less, I'm looked at funny. Musicians that are always playing know that we can't have a "bad" day even though we are human like everyone else. So, I can agree that we are moody, and we can be down right mean sometimes, but I also know that for most of us SAVED musicians, (and we are a dying breed you know) It's not intentional, I try to work beyond my hurt and etc, and minister, because it's not about self anyway:)
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I want a handout. ncbball91@yahoo.com
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Can I get a copy of that Handout jamirajo@bellsouth.net
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Handout please :D
drclarkfan@yahoo.com
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Would you agree with me in saying that it seems like musicians/Ministers of Music have the most hateful and arrogant attitudes of most people within the church. I say that not to actually say that musicians/Ministers of Music have the worst attitudes, but it seems to me like tempers flare more easily with musicians and anyone within the music ministry of the church than any other area of the church. I recently presented a handout to our choirs on Christ-like character. I believe that we as choir members and musicians ought to be able to maintain Christ-like character, no matter what part of the church we are working in. If anyone wants a handout, give me your email address and I will send you one. What do you all think?
I'ts not like this at my church, however I am aware of what you are referring to. "Church Musician" is a big to do. And in some hoods its like a posse or click group, and if you're not down, you're not cool (hahahaha). Its filled with a lot of competition and drive, so some are very arrogant and stuck up (with in self). Therefore, God is not really being glorified at all. So that falls on the spiritual growth of that musician.
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please send me a handout on musicians attitude
my email address is eclark@ncpsolutions.com
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I get what you are saying man. Being from The Bahamas where is like royalty to be a musician and a good one at that, some keyboardist i've seen here is like always with a nose turn up in the air, i'm better than you, my church has a bigger band, that type of attitude. and if you ask them ta teach you...GEESH, that's like pulling a few teeth. But me, I am truly a saved church musician, no shame in my game. I'm at bible studies, and I plan to get into the Seminary classes well be onstream at our church soon. Our administrator just got back form Dallas Theological Seminary with his doctorate and he's getting the classes togther. Let me say this much; as a musician we have a serious call on our lives and the enemy will attack us more just because we are doing something he was in charge of in heaven (remeber?) So we have to sensitize ourselves to certain attacks. I'm humble everytime I sit behind that Korg Triton, and if there's any sin in my life, I deal with it so that God can truly use me and be glorified.
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I get what you are saying man. Being from The Bahamas where is like royalty to be a musician and a good one at that, some keyboardist i've seen here is like always with a nose turn up in the air, i'm better than you, my church has a bigger band, that type of attitude. and if you ask them ta teach you...GEESH, that's like pulling a few teeth. But me, I am truly a saved church musician, no shame in my game. I'm at bible studies, and I plan to get into the Seminary classes well be onstream at our church soon. Our administrator just got back form Dallas Theological Seminary with his doctorate and he's getting the classes togther. Let me say this much; as a musician we have a serious call on our lives and the enemy will attack us more just because we are doing something he was in charge of in heaven (remeber?) So we have to sensitize ourselves to certain attacks. I'm humble everytime I sit behind that Korg Triton, and if there's any sin in my life, I deal with it so that God can truly use me and be glorified.
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There are musicians and ministers of music with bad attitudes, but let's not stereotype or label everyone as arrogant. There are some mild mannered and humble people working in music ministry and some of us are just shy. Take time to get to know someone before you label them.
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i would like a hand out
pianonote06@yahoo.com
thank youuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I would like a handout as well: yates016@bama.ua.edu
I've been playing for years and can understand the pressures of being a musician. It is not easy working with "church folk." However, that does not invite the right for a musician to have an attitude.
Before I started playing the keyboard and became the minister of music at my church, I was the drummer. Our head musician at the time had a really bad attitude. He would come to practice 45 minutes late, and then want to practice all night long. He felt as though we couldn't have church without him. Don't get me wrong now, he played the organ and the keyboard and he was awesome, but he just had the wrong attitude. He eventually left because he was offered more money elsewhere. The funny thing is at his new church he is under a strict contract. He can not be late for anything, if he does it is deducted from his check. He even has to be on time for Sunday School. We run into each other from time to time and I can tell from his facial expressions that he is miserable.
So to all my fellow musicians out there, lets try to have a positive attitude at all times. I know we are human and it is hard sometimes, but we must. We are being watched at all times, not only by God but by children in our churches. Many of them look up to us, wanting to be just like us. This is our chance to influence the young and old in ways unimaginable.
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please send me a handout on musicians attitude
my email address is thekid@wapda.com
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May I Please Have a Handout?
Jason@shirtzandsignz.com
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Can you hook me up with a handout please?
JTJ1505@yahoo.com
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Please send me a copy of the handout also.
My email is: robynlynette@sbcglobal.net
Thank you
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I know what you mean. I played the keyboard at a visiting church. A musician who didn't attend that service asked me the next day did I play and who played the best. I told him that I don't play for my glory neither do I play for competition. I play for the glory of God.
It's just amazing how some muscians attitudes can be. You have some musicians that love to drown you out while you are trying to play along with them. Then believe it or not but there are also some muscians who will come into the church and just take over even though it's not their church.
Thank the Lord that every muscian is not like that.
Oh yeah, and by the way, please send me a handout also to brandon02@bellsouth.net.
Thanks
8)
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I want it too suitboy90@hotmail.com
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and yes some musicians after gettin to a certain level in ministry or after many acclamades and all that decide they are the stuff and get big headed. pray for them ;D
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I don't think its the attitude that is bad. Out of all the ministries in church it seems like the music ministry is CONSTANTLY under the enemies attack. Well then again, I can only speak for my church. But when you look at it, it seems accurate because music was Satan's position in heaven so of course that's the first part he's going to want to attack. As musicians, we have to remember this, and be watchful at ALL times. The key is prayer............
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Can I get a handout?
ibgmom06@yahoo.com
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I have to say this is very interesting. Now if my memory serves me correctly Satan was the minister of music in heaven....................he got kicked out of heaven for basically getting beside himself(arrogance,pride,ect.) hint hint. So therefore it would only make since for his spirit to mess with us musicians. Think about...... :-\ we do what he use to do. So it would only make since that he would hate and try to throw us with the same thing that messed him up. Just food for thought. ::)
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I hear ya...
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I WOULD LIKE A HAND OUT AS WELL...
LETHEREDEEMED@HOTMAIL.COM
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Musicians have attitudes, but you can't allow people to take you out of your comfort zone. Walking in the spirit is a wonderful feeling. Don't allow people to bring you out of this peaceful walk! The most important aspect of it all is musicians need to stop being arrogant and think Gods church needs them. God do not desire this type of attitude in doing his work! We must stop believing that we are the greatest gift in the church. We should work hard in setting examples for others to follow. Just because you are the leader does not mean you have to speak down to persons in the ministry! It is very important to work with people in a christian manner. I know there are times when you get upset, but keep in mind the actions that follow the anger and who ultimately loses when you are drawn out of Gods peaceful spirit. Don't let no one take your JOY!
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handout please sweetay3kaa@gmail.com
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i would like one to gracias!
allonesound04@yahoo.com
this will help, i know this person who dont play the drumbs no
more (he is 11) and off the hook. but NE ways he was not
playing right, he do what he wants to do, messing up songs
clowning around ect. and you cant be doing that, we tell him
to speed it up or slow it down and he just looks and cont. doing
whatever he wants. God dont like ugly and he will raise up someone
else who is willing to do his will. and that is exactly what he did, a girl
came to and joined the church and we found out she plays and
sings that was a blessing, the young man had to go back and repent.
he plays for some youth choir songs but he still needs to humble himself
and know he is not the only one who can play with the sticks...!
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It is definitely possible for this attitude to happen. Two types of Christians that have to watch out for arrogance are the following:
1)Musicians
2)Athletes
It would be a general statement and say that musicians are just arrogant, but it is easier for them to have that mindset. Most musicians that I'm around know A WHOLE LOT OF BIBLE and just don't care for the fluff that Christians do. Let's think about it.....musicians are responsible for setting the atmosphere: music does something to the soul. I said that to say, that you won't see a musician get happy over shouting music, BECAUSE THEY'RE PLAYING IT. LOL. but yeah, i think i'll stop before i get someone mad at me.....where is my armor.....
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It is definitely possible for this attitude to happen. Two types of Christians that have to watch out for arrogance are the following:
1)Musicians
2)Athletes
It would be a general statement and say that musicians are just arrogant, but it is easier for them to have that mindset. Most musicians that I'm around know A WHOLE LOT OF BIBLE and just don't care for the fluff that Christians do. Let's think about it.....musicians are responsible for setting the atmosphere: music does something to the soul. I said that to say, that you won't see a musician get happy over shouting music, BECAUSE THEY'RE PLAYING IT. LOL. but yeah, i think i'll stop before i get someone mad at me.....where is my armor.....
yea i agree with where u are comming from... i also say some get happy over their own music... when im playing shout music if its good and the spirit is movin i jump off and shout too... my brothers holdin it down with the organ or whatever... i know music helps but sometimes you gotta get'cho shout on
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I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE "BIG HEAD" MENTALITY!!! OUR PASTOR HAD TO LET ONE OF OUR MUSICIANS GO. HE WAS A VERY TALENTED PERSON (ORGAN, KEYS AND DRUMS). BUT BECAUSE OF HIS COCKINESS/ARROGANCE TOWARDS THE CHOIR LEADER, PRAISE AND WORSHIP LEADER AND THEN EVENTUALLY TO THE PASTOR. IT JUST GOT TOTALLY OUT OF HAND. SO HE GOT HIS WALKING PAPERS. A GOOD PERSON OUT OF THE CHURCH CAUSE HE DATES MY NIECE BUT WHEN HE GETS ON ONE OF THOSE INSTRUMENTS...LOOK OUT.
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. It takes the ANOINTING YALL! :!: :D To successfully accomplish this and teamwork, then we throw away all the pride, attitudes, egos and arrogance, and try to get closer to God. uh think this is something we should take serious and be dedicated about. Things just might go easier this way and people's behavior might even change as well :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: So pray and stay humble, 8) dont get no attitude with folks 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) be cool yall love peace soul and the HolyGhost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D
AMEN. One other thing I had my former musicians do was to say an anthem everyday. I think i posted it on here some years ago. It confessed everything from being blessed, to annointed. It talked about NO weapon forming against us prospering and so forth.
It is also a good idea to choose a day for the music ministry to fast. There is nothing like praying and fasting to change things, as well as FAITH CONFESSION that it is already done.
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Hand-me-Out a handout please.
spidamane18@yahoo.com
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I think it's a hard job to teach songs to a choir or praise team, because u have so much personality to deal with. People don't realize teaching songs to people that talk over you, and think they know more than the minister of music it's a job i only can imagine. My minister of music is tight he can play his butt off, but sometimes we as the praise team sometimes take it for granted, when singing is for the lord it's not about us. So i say to you, and any mom keep god first and everthing else will be added according to gods will.
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I also would like a handout: monique201284@yahoo.com
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i like a handout drummerboi_18@msn.com thank you
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hand out please mr_c32005@yahoo.com
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Can I get a handout as well... ca2va_n1day@yahoo.com
And yes I have seen that before... Actually in my church I have been blessed with the MOST humble musicians... But at surrounding churches, I see arrogance a lot... It's running rampid in the ministries... Scary, but it is starting to break up a lot of churches because some folks are trying to out do others... Those people and/or ministries will never prosper...
They are playing for the wrong motives...