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Main => Ministry, M.O.M, Praise Teams and Choirs => Topic started by: 4hisglory on August 22, 2006, 07:38:17 AM
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Do you think the chior will slowly fade to black or will there one day be a resurgence of the chior??
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As long as I'm around, choirs will still be here ;D
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As long as I'm around, choirs will still be here ;D
God help us..... LOL
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God help us..... LOL
Who asked you to come in here¿ :D :D
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As long as I'm around, choirs will still be here ;D
That makes two of us VT! Remember the days when we used to march in?!?!? 8) And don't let us have a concert, I used to come up with some sweet marches, and depending which choir some of the "seasoned" saints would have to walk up to the choir stand while we marched in. ha-ha-ha-ha those were the days. ;D
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Yeah I think the choir will be back soon. People are going to get tired of this. Sorry to the Worship leaders but Im starting to see many P&W leaders get out of hand. Some acting crazy because people are not worshipping like them or they feel they are the expert on how to worship God. I have seen this at the church I play at and at my church. I was at a service at my church the other week and one sister grabbed the mic and everything slowed down. She even slowed down the fast songs to a drag.
When I get my chance things will change too. :D Choir lovers lets take back the kingdom.
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Choir may simmer for a while, but never will it fade.
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We had this discussion earlier this year. I'mma need the owner of LGM to use his own search button. :D
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(Shifts to second gear) oooooooooooooooooo :o :o
(Shifs to third) ooooooooooooooooooooooo :o :o
:D :D
...and the word is C-H-O-I-R
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Voices of Citadel is a good start
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Voices of Citadel is a good start
I must agree
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ooooooooooooooo :o :o
(Shifts to second gear) oooooooooooooooooo :o :o
(Shifs to third) ooooooooooooooooooooooo :o :o
:D :D
...and the word is C-H-O-I-R
Wondering what took you so long to catch it VT. :D :D
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I didn't even know choirs were gone. I had this discussion with somebody last week. I didn't even know what a P&W leader was. Of course, I attend a traditional Baptist church, but honestly never stepped outside of it too much to know. I guess in my community, choirs are still pretty strong. Is this just a regional thing or does it vary by denominations.
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There are still some baaad choirs out there, but I think the decrease in the choirs is the "me" mindset. This can be seen in Kirk Franklin's previous choirs, not the current group of awesome singers he has now, but in the Family and GP. He said on BET that he and those groups would still be cool if they never recorded albums together, People are concerned about their own ministry and not ministry in itself. Many people I've known, in my lil 17 years of life lol, have left a choir for not getting solos or not getting enough solos. They are forgetting that, although getting paid and recognized is good, ministering to God's children is much better!
STAY BLESSED
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At our church, we haven't had our choir for almost 2 years now, ever since we've moved into a new building. I never got a clear reason why our choir was broken up. Don't get me wrong, the Praise & Worship team we have is good, but my Mom has always asked me when are we going to get our choir back, and recently I have been wondering that myself! ?/?
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Here in Birmingham, Alabama choirs are still strong among the larger churches. My home church (New Hope Baptist) has a mass choir of over 150 people. But the smaller non-denominational churches are centered around the praise teams.
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Voices of Citadel is a good start
DITTO!
LONG LIVE CHOIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Choirs have not, nor will they ever fade. People have this mistaken notion that choirs are "en passe". Why? Tye Tribbett and G.A. is a what? CHOIR!! Not to mention we still have so many other currently billboard chartng projects that are CHOIR projects. Not to mention the fact that as long as C.O.G.I.C. and Apostolic and even Baptist churches are around, there will ALWAYS be choirs, and choirs will always have an audience in gospel music!
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DITTO!
LONG LIVE CHOIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Choirs have not, nor will they ever fade. People have this mistaken notion that choirs are "en passe". Why? Tye Tribbett and G.A. is a what? CHOIR!! Not to mention we still have so many other currently billboard chartng projects that are CHOIR projects. Not to mention the fact that as long as C.O.G.I.C. and Apostolic and even Baptist churches are around, there will ALWAYS be choirs, and choirs will always have an audience in gospel music!
Tye & G.A. are an ensemble.
Georgia, Mississippi, Colorado, New Jersey....those are choirs. James Cleveland had a choir.
Now, before anybody gets they knickers in a knot, this is simply an opinion.
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I'm hearing this buzz and notion that the P&W movement is destroying the traditional church choir.
Points I have heard are
1. You can do more with a smaller (trained) specialized group than a mass choir.
2. Better voices in Ensembles and P&W groups
3. Better material
4. Less to deal with (attitudes, characters & personalities)
5. More selective with a smaller group.
What are your thoughts? I'm seeing it a little bit too
. :)
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Yes, it seems that choirs were so 90's and chorals are so new millenium. I think the recording industry has helped fuel this too. Some of our favorite artists are recording mostly with chorals - Kurt Carr, Kirk Franklin, and Israel Houghton to name a few.
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Tye & G.A. are an ensemble.
Georgia, Mississippi, Colorado, New Jersey....those are choirs. James Cleveland had a choir.
Now, before anybody gets they knickers in a knot, this is simply an opinion.
what is your definition of a choir
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I totally agree. We don't even bother with the traditional choir marches we used to have back in the 80s and 90s also. It's true though that singers like Kurt Carr and Kirk Franklin like to keep "in the family" of smaller numbers but it depends on what direction God would have you to take. There are still a few choirs making it like Hezekiah Walker and Pastor Timothy Wright who continue to travel with there 20+ choir members!
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I'm hearing this buzz and notion that the P&W movement is destroying the traditional church choir.
Points I have heard are
1. You can do more with a smaller (trained) specialized group than a mass choir.
2. Better voices in Ensembles and P&W groups
3. Better material
4. Less to deal with (attitudes, characters & personalities)
5. More selective with a smaller group.
What are your thoughts? I'm seeing it a little bit too
. :)
Bruh, The (http://forums.learngospelmusic.com/Themes/lgm2/images/english/search.gif) button is your friend! Check in the music ministry choir room. ;)
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I have an appreciation for both. I am a P&W leader and I absolutely love my team of 7. We work together and spend timne together so we have a bond. We are friends who also happen to worship on a team together. For worship it is powerful. Now on the other hand I sing in what we call an ensemble is it 32 people. All very gifted vocalist. it's challenging and we can oush the envelope. Our tenors all have the range of your average Alto and so on for Alto & Soprano. So we love pushing songs to the limits by singing 5 and once in a wihle 6 part Harmonies on songs that traditionally only have 3 . It's fun and a challenge. You can't always do that with big choirs. The skill level is not there. The smaller you get the more you have to be able to stand on your own vocally.
As far as The artist out there it's more econimical to go smaller. You can do so much in the studio now it's unbelievable. So artist can get the choir sound without the choir. I think the trend will continue.
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Tye & G.A. are an ensemble.
Georgia, Mississippi, Colorado, New Jersey....those are choirs. James Cleveland had a choir.
Now, before anybody gets they knickers in a knot, this is simply an opinion.
I agree. And everybody is in it NOT for the work of the Lord but for the money. That's why you see smaller groups like Kurt Carr and Kirk Franklin nowadays.
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I'm hearing this buzz and notion that the P&W movement is destroying the traditional church choir.
Points I have heard are
1. You can do more with a smaller (trained) specialized group than a mass choir.
2. Better voices in Ensembles and P&W groups
3. Better material
4. Less to deal with (attitudes, characters & personalities)
5. More selective with a smaller group.
What are your thoughts? I'm seeing it a little bit too
. :)
in my personal opinion i think your off on all counts especially #4 now you have these divas (male or female) who think they actually created music and #3 whats out now thats better any hot choir that we could pick out. also #2 nobodys praise team sounds better than james hall WAP, ricky dillard & NG, hezzie's choirs, LA mass, and a whole lot more
again for those who dont read an entire post this is my personal opinion
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Musicman- Bro I think we are talking sepeate languages
I'm not saying who is better THe P&W groups out or Ricky Dillard and whoever
I'm talking about the Church. Sunday morning no artist or people on anybodies album Choirs and P&W groups.
So lets make that distinction 1st.
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Musicman- Bro I think we are talking sepeate languages
I'm not saying who is better THe P&W groups out or Ricky Dillard and whoever
I'm talking about the Church. Sunday morning no artist or people on anybodies album Choirs and P&W groups.
So lets make that distinction 1st.
the traditional church choir sang alot of music from those whom i mentioned and most praise teams in a church sing songs from recording artists just the same. so that being said the word you typed (which i bolded to) was better so when making a distinction please be distinct
I'm hearing this buzz and notion that the P&W movement is destroying the traditional church choir.
Points I have heard are
1. You can do more with a smaller (trained) specialized group than a mass choir.
2. Better voices in Ensembles and P&W groups
3. Better material
4. Less to deal with (attitudes, characters & personalities)
5. More selective with a smaller group.
What are your thoughts? I'm seeing it a little bit too
. :)
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QUESTION???.....now yal know i dont post much but this topic as wokin sumint in my spirit.......question is who said you cant have a choir and a praise and worship team???....and are weah talkin choirs in the industry cuz then i feel wat evreyone is sayin but if we're talkin in church my thing is stop bein lazy (MOMs") and teach both learn ALL the music you need to......
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My church has a praise team and a choir.
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My church has a praise team and a choir.
So does mine.
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I think the question was probably geared more toward recording artists, but yeah, we have both, too.
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I have an appreciation for both. I am a P&W leader and I absolutely love my team of 7. We work together and spend timne together so we have a bond. We are friends who also happen to worship on a team together. For worship it is powerful. Now on the other hand I sing in what we call an ensemble is it 32 people. All very gifted vocalist. it's challenging and we can oush the envelope. Our tenors all have the range of your average Alto and so on for Alto & Soprano. So we love pushing songs to the limits by singing 5 and once in a wihle 6 part Harmonies on songs that traditionally only have 3 . It's fun and a challenge. You can't always do that with big choirs. The skill level is not there. The smaller you get the more you have to be able to stand on your own vocally.
As far as The artist out there it's more econimical to go smaller. You can do so much in the studio now it's unbelievable. So artist can get the choir sound without the choir. I think the trend will continue.
good point.
for the record, i also think tye & g.a. are just a big ensemble.
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There is room for both, no?
Too much of anything is not good.
Sometimes i want the power, majesty and clappety-clap-clap of a choir
sometimes i want the intimacy of a soloist.
sometimes the flow of an ensemble.
mebbe a quartet song....(canton spirituals, anyone?)
hey, how about an Anthem?
ohhh, love those Arias....
heck, gimme a piano and a trumpet player.
and dont forget the boom bap of Holy hip Hop....
Gimme balance.....y'ahh mean?
there is room for it all....
be well...
w.