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Main => Ministry, M.O.M, Praise Teams and Choirs => Topic started by: ferrente on September 14, 2006, 10:09:46 AM
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When it comes to hiring a M.O.M. should the Pastor be the only one who decides who will be hired?
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I think the decision ultimately is the Pastor's or the governing board of the church. They are mainly responsible for placing everyone in their respective positions in the church. I think wisdom is shown when the pastor seeks input from the music department, but ultimately, he has to be prayerful and make the decision according to the leading of the Holy Ghost.
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I think the decision ultimately is the Pastor's or the governing board of the church. They are mainly responsible for placing everyone in their respective positions in the church. I think wisdom is shown when the pastor seeks input from the music department, but ultimately, he has to be prayerful and make the decision according to the leading of the Holy Ghost.
I agree with you, Nessa.
The MOM position is a leadership position and must be appointed by the one in charge of leaders.
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i agree!!! leadership in my church is all appointed by the pastor under the guidance of god!!!
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I think that the staff should have some input. Every decisions pastors make ain't Godly. I believe in a governing board in a church and not just one figurehead. If the US government has sense enough not to give a president absolute power then why should the church not have enough sense in this area. I think that leaders from the choir and musical staff can have a hand in the process by way of panel interview. Afterwards the music staff leaders speak with the Governing board who all together make a decision based on the vision for the fellowship. That way if the person turns out to be a jerk or not up to snuff then there shouldn't be much finger pointing because everyone hand the hand in the process.
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I disagree, I don't feel that the church is a democracy like our government. Why should we even have a Pastor who is to seek God for guidance to lead the flock, if the board has the power to override what God has given him to do?
Like Moses, with the children of Israel, they didn't agree with what God was leading Moses to do, and figured they could hear from God on their own. If a person disagrees with whether the Pastor is being led of God, I think they should pray about whether they should be a member of that particular church, because the Pastor is ordained of God to lead the flock.
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Ask Jim Jones that. The analogy was for everyone to feel included in on decisions. That's why most times we are disappointed when we find out the shortcomings of pastors. Jethro and to advise Moses to divide some of the leadership duties among the people. The government analogy wasn't to say that the church should run exactly like the government. I only used that as an example of to show that all decisions shouldn't exclusive to one person.
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I think that the staff should have some input. Every decisions pastors make ain't Godly. I believe in a governing board in a church and not just one figurehead. If the US government has sense enough not to give a president absolute power then why should the church not have enough sense in this area. I think that leaders from the choir and musical staff can have a hand in the process by way of panel interview. Afterwards the music staff leaders speak with the Governing board who all together make a decision based on the vision for the fellowship. That way if the person turns out to be a jerk or not up to snuff then there shouldn't be much finger pointing because everyone hand the hand in the process.
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Ask Jim Jones that. The analogy was for everyone to feel included in on decisions. That's why most times we are disappointed when we find out the shortcomings of pastors. Jethro and to advise Moses to divide some of the leadership duties among the people. The government analogy wasn't to say that the church should run exactly like the government. I only used that as an example of to show that all decisions shouldn't exclusive to one person.
Jim Jones wasn't following Christ, therefore, saved people should've questioned whether he was the undershepherd God had ordained for their lives. Moses appointed leaders under him to carry out the work, not to vote on his decisions after God had already given him directions. Which solidifies the answer to the question asked here, those serving under Moses were selected by Moses with God's leading, so it should be when a Pastor selects someone to be MOM or serve in another leadership position.
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As nessalynn77 said, it would be wise for the Pastor to consult the Music Department. ESPECIALLY if he doesn't know much about music.
The Pastor is the undershepherd, and as such, he is God's Man. He is the man whom God has placed over us, we ought to follow his direction.
The church of the Lord Jesus Christ is not a democracy, but a WISE Pastor is concerned with the opinions of his flock....Even if in the final analysis, he makes the choice.
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Jim Jones wasn't following Christ, therefore, saved people should've questioned whether he was the undershepherd God had ordained for their lives. Moses appointed leaders under him to carry out the work, not to vote on his decisions after God had already given him directions. Which solidifies the answer to the question asked here, those serving under Moses were selected by Moses with God's leading, so it should be when a Pastor selects someone to be MOM or serve in another leadership position.
Amen. I'm a FIRM believer in following and being Mentored by one's Pastor.
I'm a firm believer that when the Man of God speaks, we ought to hear and obey. We have a church board of directors (Of which I am one.). My Bishop will always ask us things. He'll bring issues before us. He hides nothing. He tells us of future ventures, we discuss the church's financial standing, etc.
He takes our recommendations into account, and doesn't dismiss anyone's opinion.
YET...... If the Man of God says NO, we move with him. If the Man of God says YES, we move with him.
Because we believe that as long as he follows Christ, and is the Man whom God has chosen to lead us, God will back up what he says.
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We are all saying the same thing however it should be noted that governing body's and board of directors along with the pastors should be involved. Some pastors may leave it up to a commitee.Every culture of fellowships is different. Some people like domination. I've always respected pastors however I have seen more discrepancies with one person "who was gods man" make terrible mistakes and people follow right behind him without anything said because "he's god's man". That's why very few black pastors live past 60. They try and do to much while the people allow him to. Jim Jones and David Koresh are extremes but most churches if truth be told would be shocked to find compromising information about what church leadership does. Every church has a degree of this whether you want to believe it or not. Predators never reveal themselves. They must be exposed.
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We are all saying the same thing however it should be noted that governing body's and board of directors along with the pastors should be involved. Some pastors may leave it up to a commitee.Every culture of fellowships is different. Some people like domination. I've always respected pastors however I have seen more discrepancies with one person "who was gods man" make terrible mistakes and people follow right behind him without anything said because "he's god's man". That's why very few black pastors live past 60. They try and do to much while the people allow him to. Jim Jones and David Koresh are extremes but most churches if truth be told would be shocked to find compromising information about what church leadership does. Every church has a degree of this whether you want to believe it or not. Predators never reveal themselves. They must be exposed.
My experience has been the opposite, I can tell you stories of the Pastor seeking God, and getting a plan to help the church or take the church in a new direction, and the "board" doesn't see it so they fight the pastor on it. Of course they don't see it, they are not looking from his vantage point. And yes, he is God's man, chosen and ordained by God to lead that group. It's an awesome responsibility and very easy to criticize when we're not the ones in his shoes. Again I say that if a person feels they can't follow the Pastor because they feel that he is not being led by the Holy Ghost, then it would be better for everyone if that individual leaves, than to sow seeds of discord in the body. If in fact he's not spirit led, leaving would've been a good idea, anyway, if he is being led by the spirit and you refuse to see it, than at best you're a stumblingblock for the ministry anyway.
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My experience has been the opposite, I can tell you stories of the Pastor seeking God, and getting a plan to help the church or take the church in a new direction, and the "board" doesn't see it so they fight the pastor on it. Of course they don't see it, they are not looking from his vantage point. And yes, he is God's man, chosen and ordained by God to lead that group. It's an awesome responsibility and very easy to criticize when we're not the ones in his shoes. Again I say that if a person feels they can't follow the Pastor because they feel that he is not being led by the Holy Ghost, then it would be better for everyone if that individual leaves, than to sow seeds of discord in the body. If in fact he's not spirit led, leaving would've been a good idea, anyway, if he is being led by the spirit and you refuse to see it, than at best you're a stumblingblock for the ministry anyway.
nessa you preaching!!! me personally if i cant trust that my pastor is being led to do what he does and the decision he gives us under the holy ghost then i dont think that i would wanna stay there!!! "follow me as i follow christ"
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Hey errybody,
I believe that the qui should be involved in choosing a M.O.M. I say this because we had a musician who was leaving to go back to school and so the pastor of our church basically hired someone the week after our musician left!!I mean it was obvious there was no prayer involved, whatsoever!!! And the musician we have now is basically the epitome of horrible, but our pastor sees something in him...what the Qui and the rest of the congregation sees is a hot mess!!! I mean he's an ex-con, runnin women IN THE CHURCH nah!, in the police log every other week, and STILL sits up there on the keyboard and plays !! Excuse me if it sounds like i'm just putting our business out there, but its the truth and yall had to get the Just of it!! LOL Basically, what i'm saying is...the Pastor isn't right allll the time, so it would help if possibly the entire music department was involved!!.. My opinion only! :)
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This question has a lot of ways to be answered. First of all in Jamaica the minister of music is not normally hired in most churches..(I am taking hiring to mean that someone is brought in who is paid to train the choir) I think the criteria for hiring a M.O.M should be as follows:-
The person should preferrable be a member of the church
Someone the choir members will respect
Someone whose christian life is unquestionable
Someone who knows music inside out
I believe that the M.O.M should be hired by the Music Department and the Choir as they are the ones who will be working with the individuals or individual...there are some churches who do not have many M.O.M to select from so if only one person is suitable the need for prayer is almost rhetorical..however if there are many suitable candidates for this position then a selection of candidates should be made by the music, which intewrviews these individuals and a choice made...I think this selection is not the duty of the Pastor as the members of the Music Department should also be spiritual enough to let God guide them..that is a growing church..there are some things that the Pastor should get involved in..however he should be consulted before and informed of the strategy to be undertaken by the music department and give them his blessing..That was what happened when I was selected as a M.O.M..
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Welcome to LGM MaMia1229
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No, they shouldn't. I believe that's something that should be left up to the pastor(s) and/or the other musicians.
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Welcome To LGM, rovelmorris
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Passuh need to consult with someone who knows music and music ministry. Hopefully he has a friend or two who can provide him with assistance.
There are sooo many churches that have choirs but no real music ministry...and thats because of the way MOM's work now. I think it's crazy for 1 MOM to be at 3 or 4 churches in as many years.
I think they should call it Music Director...cuz most MOM's aren't ministers at all.
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I think the decision ultimately is the Pastor's or the governing board of the church. They are mainly responsible for placing everyone in their respective positions in the church. I think wisdom is shown when the pastor seeks input from the music department, but ultimately, he has to be prayerful and make the decision according to the leading of the Holy Ghost.
Amen!
Unfortunately, people do not understand God's design for the church. Why would the Pastor consult a bunch of folk when he has been appointed head. When the "bunch of other folk" think they should have a say so in the decision making process, you have just identified the ones who have submission problems to authority.
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Passuh need to consult with someone who knows music and music ministry. Hopefully he has a friend or two who can provide him with assistance.
There are sooo many churches that have choirs but no real music ministry...and thats because of the way MOM's work now. I think it's crazy for 1 MOM to be at 3 or 4 churches in as many years.
I think they should call it Music Director...cuz most MOM's aren't ministers at all.
Most Senior Pastors are former M.O.M.s's
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really?
Mine sho nuff ain't, lol
Actually, none of mine have been musically inclined AT ALL... and most of the churches I've had interviews, the pastor couldnt hold a tune in a bucket.
If passuh knows music what to look for in a music ministry go for it...but a key ingredient in leadership is utilizing the appropriate resources.
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Most Senior Pastors are former M.O.M.s's
I disagree with this statement too-----not MOST. My husband can't spell music.. My church has 5 pastors, all don't know a thing about music. I think a lot of preachers can sing, but they aren't former MOM's. They are former choir members.
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I disagree with this statement too-----not MOST. My husband can't spell music.. My church has 5 pastors, all don't know a thing about music. I think a lot of preachers can sing, but they aren't former MOM's. They are former choir members.
I retract my statement. Most in my area are. :D
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There have been times that I've been hired by a Pastor on the spot. Sometimes it worked well, other times it didn't work so well. The church I'm presently the MoM at now where I was hired by the Pastor AFTER an interview with the guy who would be my already in place assistant MoM (he was the former MoM), the Senior Pastor and a deacon.
It would be wise to involve people in the process to make them feel like they are more than just a number on the church roll. It makes them feel like they have a little say in the ministry that God has given them. It's the Pastor's decision ultimately but why would a Pastor have issues with involving people who are musically inclined in the decision process? True leaders (in my opinion) aren't threatened or challenged by involving others or admitting that this (music) is not a area of expertise for him/her. Only insecure, power hungry, I'M THE SENIOR PASTOR pastors do not want to share the decision making process with others.
Wise Pastors see that you can accomplish much more when their vision becomes the people's vision. nothing makes a person feel more important than hearing "What do you think?" from someone who they look up to.
I'm not saying take the candidates to the choir rehearsal and let them speak to the choir, teach them a song and then have the choir vote at the end of the rehearsal... but I AM saying they should at least have a representative on the interview committee.
MrSparrow
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I disagree with this statement too-----not MOST. My husband can't spell music.. My church has 5 pastors, all don't know a thing about music. I think a lot of preachers can sing, but they aren't former MOM's. They are former choir members.
I agree!
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I think the pastor should have the final decision on hiring a MOM, but should also be humble and wise enough to take advice from others. At my church, my pastor DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MUSIC sometimes he don't see the choir as a ministry.About four years, he hired people to teach the young people how to play insturments (keyboard,drums,bass ect...). The church spent about $3600 in 3 months on lessons (once a week) for four people. And another $5 or 6 thousand on instruments you can find in studios. My dad who is the assistant pastor and one of the Evanglist (BOTH KNOW MUSIC) advise the pastor that the teachers are taking adavantage of the church. The teachers took the money and the students only learned one song in three months. Since then those instruments have nevered been play again. They still look brand new. With the money that was spent, the pastor could have hired a MOM to help develop the music department.
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Welcome To LGM, Angel4ever
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I am COGIC, and I have no clue what the 'politics' and rules are concerning these types of things. But being part of a music ministry where the m.o.m. was always an issue (mostly negative), I feel strongly about everyone voicing their opinions regarding huge decisions like this. It would probably result in a lot of heated attitudes and funny looks from the corners of eyes, so that is probably why the Pastor usually makes these types of decisions.
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There have been times that I've been hired by a Pastor on the spot. Sometimes it worked well, other times it didn't work so well. The church I'm presently the MoM at now where I was hired by the Pastor AFTER an interview with the guy who would be my already in place assistant MoM (he was the former MoM), the Senior Pastor and a deacon.
It would be wise to involve people in the process to make them feel like they are more than just a number on the church roll. It makes them feel like they have a little say in the ministry that God has given them. It's the Pastor's decision ultimately but why would a Pastor have issues with involving people who are musically inclined in the decision process? True leaders (in my opinion) aren't threatened or challenged by involving others or admitting that this (music) is not a area of expertise for him/her. Only insecure, power hungry, I'M THE SENIOR PASTOR pastors do not want to share the decision making process with others.
Wise Pastors see that you can accomplish much more when their vision becomes the people's vision. nothing makes a person feel more important than hearing "What do you think?" from someone who they look up to.
I'm not saying take the candidates to the choir rehearsal and let them speak to the choir, teach them a song and then have the choir vote at the end of the rehearsal... but I AM saying they should at least have a representative on the interview committee.
MrSparrow
This is wise advice. While it is ultimately the pastors decision, the WISE thing to do would be to consult with the people who have to work daily with this person. People who are insecure feel that they must force a viewpoint upon a person. You wouldn't run a family that way. Telling your wife ( who is supposed to be your helpmate) every single decision that the family must make. A Wise husband would consult with his spouse on the things that she is better at, and a wise wife would consult with her husband on the things he is more capabe of handling. No one should ever make a decision in a vacuum.
I think a leader must balance consulting with advisers with "not being afraid to make the hard choices". Sometimes the best decision is not always the most popular ones, but if everyone is looking out for the best interest of the "body" and not clouding their judgement with ulterior motives, then I think God will honor those choices.
I have a bigger problem with Leadership not being able to say "I made a mistake". Sometimes Pastor's make bad choices ( maybe they didn't seek the lord in prayer, or maybe they were influenced by personal desires... but we KNOW that pastor's make mistakes sometimes. I would rather the pastor just "man up" and say I was wrong, rather than trying to get all "spiritual" and put a good spin on a bad decision. You actually get more respect from subordinates if you treat them like they got common sense ( because some actually do..... although unfortunately some don't);
Mr Sparrow, is that you in the picture. I got a friend Cfus whou might have went to school with you...
Jlewis
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This is wise advice. While it is ultimately the pastors decision, the WISE thing to do would be to consult with the people who have to work daily with this person. People who are insecure feel that they must force a viewpoint upon a person. You wouldn't run a family that way. Telling your wife ( who is supposed to be your helpmate) every single decision that the family must make. A Wise husband would consult with his spouse on the things that she is better at, and a wise wife would consult with her husband on the things he is more capabe of handling. No one should ever make a decision in a vacuum.
I think a leader must balance consulting with advisers with "not being afraid to make the hard choices". Sometimes the best decision is not always the most popular ones, but if everyone is looking out for the best interest of the "body" and not clouding their judgement with ulterior motives, then I think God will honor those choices.
I have a bigger problem with Leadership not being able to say "I made a mistake". Sometimes Pastor's make bad choices ( maybe they didn't seek the lord in prayer, or maybe they were influenced by personal desires... but we KNOW that pastor's make mistakes sometimes. I would rather the pastor just "man up" and say I was wrong, rather than trying to get all "spiritual" and put a good spin on a bad decision. You actually get more respect from subordinates if you treat them like they got common sense ( because some actually do..... although unfortunately some don't);
Mr Sparrow, is that you in the picture. I got a friend Cfus whou might have went to school with you...
Jlewis
Nice!
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This question has a lot of ways to be answered. First of all in Jamaica the minister of music is not normally hired in most churches..(I am taking hiring to mean that someone is brought in who is paid to train the choir) I think the criteria for hiring a M.O.M should be as follows:-
The person should preferrable be a member of the church
Someone the choir members will respect
Someone whose christian life is unquestionable
Someone who knows music inside out
I believe that the M.O.M should be hired by the Music Department and the Choir as they are the ones who will be working with the individuals or individual...there are some churches who do not have many M.O.M to select from so if only one person is suitable the need for prayer is almost rhetorical..however if there are many suitable candidates for this position then a selection of candidates should be made by the music, which intewrviews these individuals and a choice made...I think this selection is not the duty of the Pastor as the members of the Music Department should also be spiritual enough to let God guide them..that is a growing church..there are some things that the Pastor should get involved in..however he should be consulted before and informed of the strategy to be undertaken by the music department and give them his blessing..That was what happened when I was selected as a M.O.M..
Nice!
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This is wise advice. While it is ultimately the pastors decision, the WISE thing to do would be to consult with the people who have to work daily with this person. People who are insecure feel that they must force a viewpoint upon a person. You wouldn't run a family that way. Telling your wife ( who is supposed to be your helpmate) every single decision that the family must make. A Wise husband would consult with his spouse on the things that she is better at, and a wise wife would consult with her husband on the things he is more capabe of handling. No one should ever make a decision in a vacuum.
I think a leader must balance consulting with advisers with "not being afraid to make the hard choices". Sometimes the best decision is not always the most popular ones, but if everyone is looking out for the best interest of the "body" and not clouding their judgement with ulterior motives, then I think God will honor those choices.
I have a bigger problem with Leadership not being able to say "I made a mistake". Sometimes Pastor's make bad choices ( maybe they didn't seek the lord in prayer, or maybe they were influenced by personal desires... but we KNOW that pastor's make mistakes sometimes. I would rather the pastor just "man up" and say I was wrong, rather than trying to get all "spiritual" and put a good spin on a bad decision. You actually get more respect from subordinates if you treat them like they got common sense ( because some actually do..... although unfortunately some don't);
Mr Sparrow, is that you in the picture. I got a friend Cfus whou might have went to school with you...
Jlewis
I'd have to agree with Jlewis and Mr. Sparrow...
The original question asked should the "Choir" have some say in the hiring of there M.O.M?...
The only problem I see with a Choir having say, is if noone in the Choir has any real musical knowledge. I've played for choir's where noone knew anything really about music. I've seen rehearsals where choir member's are trying to tell other sections they are off key when it is not the case at all.
If the choir doesn't really know music how can the choir truly make an accurate assessment of who should be the musician??
Get advice from someone who knows and the Pastor should make the ultimate decision based on all factors (Prayer, God's vision, qualifications, etc...)
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To add to what was said above...
I've also played for choir's and PT's, coming in as the new musician, that have told me that I'm playing a song incorrectly, when they are singing off key. This is about the only thing that bothers me from time to time, when I know I am playing the song correctly. I may not play it like the previous musician (others may have a different style), but when I learn a song, I usually try to play as near as possible to the recording, because I may not have any idea what the previous musician was adding to the song if anything.
In these cases, I'll politely ask someone to play the song and I'll play along so as to not cause confusion with everyone, but it gets frustrating at times.
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...that's like asking the choir, " what do you want to sing on Sunday?" You'll never arrive at a consensus decision. I think the pastor should bring the candidates in, meet the choir(s) and allow the choir members to ask questions. Maybe even allow the individuas to sing, play, and/or teach the choir a song to see how the candidates mesh with the choir. Other than that, the hiring of the MOM should be left up to the governing powers of the church.
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...that's like asking the choir, " what do you want to sing on Sunday?" You'll never arrive at a consensus decision. I think the pastor should bring the candidates in, meet the choir(s) and allow the choir members to ask questions. Maybe even allow the individuas to sing, play, and/or teach the choir a song to see how the candidates mesh with the choir. Other than that, the hiring of the MOM should be left up to the governing powers of the church.
Nice!
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Here is my opinion on this issue, I think that the pastor should make the ultimate decision. But I also think that there should be input from a comittee, not the choir. See we have to be careful about the decision making process. And what O mean is this, there is this trend in churches going around about voting people into office, auxilary head, president, etc.. Some of these people are being placed in these positions because of popularity. The thing we should never ever lose focus on is the fact that we are serving our Lord and Saviour. I have seen it personally when popularity has outweighed a more common sense/spiritual approach. Many times we want folks for all the wrong reasons and not the one that really matters. My belief is this, if you really want a M.O.M., the first few questions should be about their spiritual well being. Do you love Lord, Are you saved, how do you feel about church, etc.. Find out about that spiritual side where they are at. Because if it is not done, you are asking for problems (seen it firsthand). And please don't gt into this, this is the only person that can handle the choir or whatever. Sometimes church solong that we forget the small stuff, like praying over an appointment. But we are all human. Blessings to all. ;)
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Pastor/ Only 28 (44.4%)
Choir / Only 0 (0%)
Pastor and Choir 35 (55.6%)
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Total Voters: 58
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I've been tp many churches and in different organizations thanks to my musical parents. We've traveled and played a big part in many churches and organizations helping their music depts. to grow. My parents had seven children, for a total of 5 singers, an organist and keyboardist and a drummer. I recently married a drummer to add. I've witnessed plenty of Pastor make the mistake of hiring the right and wrong MOM's, Choir and Praise Team Leaders. From my point of view I don't think the pastor should do the hiring alone. Yes they are the sheperd of the house and we should follow and submit to him. I think that everyone involved in the music dept. should be involved with hiring new candidates. The music dept. is a team and should always be treated as one. I think that everyone should vote, or the pastor should have the candidate meet the dept. for some type of orientation, so everyone can get a better pic of who they are. The reason I say this, is :
I was a member at a church recently, I still love them to death!! They just made some bad decisions. Anyway, they hired a MOM to take over the music dept. and build it. From they first day that he got there everyone dissaproved of him being there. They really didn't like him. He stayed a while, held concerts and musicals, meanwhile the music dept. was shrinking and everyone was loosing interest. That's what happened everyone lost interest, stopped coming to rehearsals, etc. They let him go. About 4 months later they put someone else in his place to just take over the praise team. Same occurence. Everything fell apart and we all split up. I said all of that to say this. The church is a body, one, whole. Even though there is a pastor, he is not in it all by himself. His decisions affect the whole body so he can't act as if he's the only one in the church. The problem we had with our music dept. could have been avoided had we sat down and had a meeting to see if everyone was okay with the candidate from the begining. Too many pastors have the analogy that, since I'm the pastor nobody else has a say so, this is my church and I make all of the decisions. That's not true the members make up the church just as well as they pay tithes to make sure the church is running smoothly, so why shouldn't they have a say so in who their helping to pay? The music dept. is an important part of today's church and can be the easisest and funnest. All it takes is a good spirited MOM and his/her connection with the body.
Trell ;D
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True Dat. ....................................... .... ;D
AMEN SISTAH! :) ;D
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I was a member at a church recently, I still love them to death!! They just made some bad decisions. Anyway, they hired a MOM to take over the music dept. and build it. From they first day that he got there everyone dissaproved of him being there. They really didn't like him. He stayed a while, held concerts and musicals, meanwhile the music dept. was shrinking and everyone was loosing interest. That's what happened everyone lost interest, stopped coming to rehearsals, etc. They let him go. About 4 months later they put someone else in his place to just take over the praise team. Same occurence. Everything fell apart and we all split up. I said all of that to say this. The church is a body, one, whole.
Trell ;D
I was just wondering...
...Why did everyone dissaprove of the new M.O.M. from day one?...Did everyone know him/her already, or just didn't like him/her because they were'nt involved in the decision process? ...You also illuded to the same occurence happening 4 months later with someone else over the praise team? ?/?
The chuch body in this case may want to take a look at themselves, JMHO/2 cents... :)
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I know I'm a johnny-come-lately to this thread but I was kinda shocked to see the results of the poll.
To me, the pastor (or board - however your church is run) should be the hiring authority. If he/ she don't know anything about music, he should get a consultant or someone musically qualified to advise him/her on the matter.
Like someone said, everyone in the choir isn't musically qualified to have an input on choosing a MOM. For that matter, why don't the congregation have some input on hiring since they'll be hearers and will be singing along?
Also, music is only one aspect (although most important) of hiring. You still have contractual terms to agree on: pay, vacation, sick days, medical coverage, retirement, etc...; the choir wouldn't (or shouldn't) know enough about these terms to make a decision.
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I know I'm a johnny-come-lately to this thread but I was kinda shocked to see the results of the poll.
To me, the pastor (or board - however your church is run) should be the hiring authority. If he/ she don't know anything about music, he should get a consultant or someone musically qualified to advise him/her on the matter.
Like someone said, everyone in the choir isn't musically qualified to have an input on choosing a MOM. For that matter, why don't the congregation have some input on hiring since they'll be hearers and will be singing along?
Also, music is only one aspect (although most important) of hiring. You still have contractual terms to agree on: pay, vacation, sick days, medical coverage, retirement, etc...; the choir wouldn't (or shouldn't) know enough about these terms to make a decision.
Last year our new mom was chosen by the Pastor and Church council, but they gave the congregation final say. So we voted him in. (He was the only candidate).
I guess they let us choose, so there wouldnt be any complaints.
BTW NOBODY in my church knows anything about music.
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I was just wondering...
...Why did everyone dissaprove of the new M.O.M. from day one?...Did everyone know him/her already, or just didn't like him/her because they were'nt involved in the decision process? ...You also illuded to the same occurence happening 4 months later with someone else over the praise team? ?/?
The chuch body in this case may want to take a look at themselves, JMHO/2 cents... :)
Good Points!!
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I was just wondering...
...Why did everyone dissaprove of the new M.O.M. from day one?...Did everyone know him/her already, or just didn't like him/her because they were'nt involved in the decision process? ...You also illuded to the same occurence happening 4 months later with someone else over the praise team? ?/?
The chuch body in this case may want to take a look at themselves, JMHO/2 cents... :)
I fully agree with you, after seeing this happen over and over again. I began to ask myself the same question. No one knew the musician before he came on board, the way he came across is what I think had an affect on everyone. He came in and just like get with it our leave, and everyone had been there long before he got there. So they were like who does he think he is. And when you approach anyone without respect or aknowledging that their human and have feelings also, they will tune you out, and that's what they did. Even though we tried meetings, nobody wanted him there so they dropped out and there was no one in the choir but the praise team. That's why I say the Pastor shouldn't have the say so alone, but at least give the people that make up the music dept. an input. Because in the end they are the ones that are going to have to deal with them, follow their instructions and sing, not the pastor.