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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Guitar => Topic started by: trackman on September 27, 2006, 02:25:14 PM
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Does anyone use these? I have friends that swear by them and I was wondeering who uses these?
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These cables are the most expensive cables you can buy.They are gold plated.I use them for all my audio equipment.Wide srcreen hdtv,cd player,dvd.I think they work great for these inputs.Some people love them,so say, they are the same as the cables that are standard(non gold plated) I did not know they made them for guitar.But i love them ;)
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I refuse to use them based solely on their business ethics.
I'll have to find the forum topic at the guitar effects forum I'm on, but they are all about trying to put people under that use the word "monster" in their business. They even tried to sue Disney for Monsters Inc. And if you look at the bottom of Monster.com, there's a disclaimer about them "allowing" them to use the name monster. The kicker was when they took this lady from Oregon or Washington to court because she used the word Monster in her used clothing store's name.
I understand that you have to make yourself stand out in a market, but cartoons, job-search websites, and used clothing stores are hardly in the guitar accessories market.
Just get you some pro-co cable, and some Switchcraft or Neutrik plugs and make your own. Of course, there's always Planet Waves, and the like, but I've never used them. I've had a Spectraflex and various Pro-Co's for the last 8 years or so.
I'll try to find that link for you guys--some really interesting and completely disrespectable stuff...
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Hey, I found it. Enjoy.
http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=28547.0 (http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=28547.0)
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I got this from the same message board.
" Don't try to use the word "Monster" on your pedal.
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2005, 02:33:39 PM »
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I'm sorry to have to tell all of you this, but Monster Cable is well within their rights and is basically REQUIRED BY LAW to do this sort of thing.
The word isn't copyright. You can not copyright words and phrases. This is about TRADEMARK. Trademarks MUST BE PROTECTED, or you lose them. While what Monster is doing may go over the line of necessity (typically trademarks only need to be defended in your particular area of business to be considered valid), it's better to be safe than to find out that you've lost your trademark.
For a group of people so needlessly concerned about copyright/trademark issues, I'm surprised so few here actually know the difference."
I personally use them and I love'em. I can't tell you how many cables I've been through in the past couple of years. I have a bad generic brand cable now that I'm going to return and try to get credit towards another Monster Cable.
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I got this from the same message board.
" Don't try to use the word "Monster" on your pedal.
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2005, 02:33:39 PM »
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I'm sorry to have to tell all of you this, but Monster Cable is well within their rights and is basically REQUIRED BY LAW to do this sort of thing.
The word isn't copyright. You can not copyright words and phrases. This is about TRADEMARK. Trademarks MUST BE PROTECTED, or you lose them. While what Monster is doing may go over the line of necessity (typically trademarks only need to be defended in your particular area of business to be considered valid), it's better to be safe than to find out that you've lost your trademark.
For a group of people so needlessly concerned about copyright/trademark issues, I'm surprised so few here actually know the difference."
I personally use them and I love'em. I can't tell you how many cables I've been through in the past couple of years. I have a bad generic brand cable now that I'm going to return and try to get credit towards another Monster Cable.
AMEN BROTHER
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They are good cables. There are better cables out there for less money. I think that Monster Cable may have been the first company to really take a look at the sonic differences that quality materials in a cable can make. There is an article that came out a few years ago in Vintage Guitar Player Magazine that did a huge blow out between cheap $5 cables and expensive $300 cables. The cables were given a score between 0 and 100, and I think the Monster 1000 came in at the high 60 to low 70 percentile.
George L's has been the industry standard for years, and I think it ranked in the high 70 percentile. It's cheaper, and you get to make your own cables. If they break they are easy to repair. I used to use Monster Studio exclusively, but there's better cables for less money out there. Do you homework!!!!!!
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I understand them having to protect their trademark. I actually went back to that link, and the article itself is no longer available, but it stated that they were in a suit against a lady in either Washington or Oregon that had a consignment clothing store that had the word monster in it, and also against a man that had a line of ski instruction videos for kids called either snow monsters or ski monsters. I don't see how this is infringement on the trademark Monster Cable holds since they are nowhere near the same industry.
I doubt that GM ever went after Regal (kitchen wares) because someone was going to make the mistake that they were cooking on a Buick frying pan. Just like no one would possibly think that if it weren't for Monster Cable, then we wouldn't have Mike Wazowski and Sully. No normal person would make these kind of connections. I never once thought while I was posting my resume--"Hey, these online resume guys make a killer guitar cable, too."
They may have the legal recourse in these matters, but it's pretty ludicrous at the core of it all.
But, hey, they may make a great product, I don't know. Sorry if I raised eyebrows--it wasn't my intent.
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They are good cables. There are better cables out there for less money. I think that Monster Cable may have been the first company to really take a look at the sonic differences that quality materials in a cable can make. There is an article that came out a few years ago in Vintage Guitar Player Magazine that did a huge blow out between cheap $5 cables and expensive $300 cables. The cables were given a score between 0 and 100, and I think the Monster 1000 came in at the high 60 to low 70 percentile.
George L's has been the industry standard for years, and I think it ranked in the high 70 percentile. It's cheaper, and you get to make your own cables. If they break they are easy to repair. I used to use Monster Studio exclusively, but there's better cables for less money out there. Do you homework!!!!!! ?/? ?/?
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Typo. Do your homework..........and learn about a variety of options instead of taking some things as gospel!!!! Sorry to upset anyone!!! ;)
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I really don't know how the world of business works, but I do know what sounds good to me and appears to be a superior product. I will do my homework and decide that way. I just didn't know that there were so many products out there with the type of quality that the Monster cable gives you. Thanks to everyone who chimed in!!! You guys are great.
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My man, look at it like this.
It got to be a reason,they have been around for soooo long ;)
IT IS A GREAT PRODUCT ;)
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They are good cables. There are better cables out there for less money. I think that Monster Cable may have been the first company to really take a look at the sonic differences that quality materials in a cable can make. There is an article that came out a few years ago in Vintage Guitar Player Magazine that did a huge blow out between cheap $5 cables and expensive $300 cables. The cables were given a score between 0 and 100, and I think the Monster 1000 came in at the high 60 to low 70 percentile.
George L's has been the industry standard for years, and I think it ranked in the high 70 percentile. It's cheaper, and you get to make your own cables. If they break they are easy to repair. I used to use Monster Studio exclusively, but there's better cables for less money out there. Do you homework!!!!!!
Wow, another post from Shaun I can say "I second this".
I use Monster simply because, I like that, if anything happens (even if it gets sliced by a cymbal) I can take it back and get another one free. Very very useful on the road. If I had to actually spend money on a new cable, I probably wouldnt get another Monster. But since they replace them I havent had to buy a cable in YEARS. Other brands have this same guarantee, but Monster is the most prevalent.
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I use them.
I don't care what they cost or about their business practices (which is more the doing of their lawyers and not the company staff); they make a good cable that you can step on and it doesn't go "crunch". ;D
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I use them.
I don't care what they cost or about their business practices (which is more the doing of their lawyers and not the company staff); they make a good cable that you can step on and it doesn't go "crunch". ;D
Amen. All this oxygen-free, gold-plated stuff is just a gimmick. What I want in a guitar cable is that you can yank it, pull it, step on it and the connectors don't break and start crackling. All the rest is just fluff.
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I have an Monster Accoustic cable, and it seems to be ok, the one thing that I like about it is the life time warrenty. I also have a Mogami cable with life time warrenty. If you do alot of studio work, the Mogami cables are the way to go....the Monster cable are good for live playing.....so I'm told. ?/?
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I bought them!!! I love them!!! It has change the clarity of my playing for the better tenfold!!! I recommend them!
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I A/B'd George L and Monster Cable, and I prefer the George L...however whenever possible with cables and anything else try to get the best equipment that you can afford, don't go broke chasing after the gear everyone else says is the greatest, trust your ears...its your sound!!!
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They seem pretty good cables. I can't afford them and I'm not willing to $50+ dollars on them. What I use now is HOSA cables. These cables have lasted me for like two years now.
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The price is rather high (21' for $50), but the lifetime warranty makes it well worth it. I'll probably buy another one just like it, but after that, I will never have to buy a cable again! I can just take it back to Guitar Center and they'll give me another one right off the shelf! That's what sold me.
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The price is rather high (21' for $50), but the lifetime warranty makes it well worth it. I'll probably buy another one just like it, but after that, I will never have to buy a cable again! I can just take it back to Guitar Center and they'll give me another one right off the shelf! That's what sold me.
I've had my 3 Monster cables for probably 10 years or so and have done hundreds and hundreds of shows and sessions with them.
To me the initial high cost is offset by their reliability and durability.
It's the same reason (or one of the reasons) why I use Apple Macintosh computers instead of the Windows-based alternatives. ;)
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I'm thinking of getting an Apple Laptop ;D.
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I'm thinking of getting an Apple Laptop ;D.
Once you go Mac, you'll never go back!!!! ;D
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Once you go Mac, you'll never go back!!!! ;D
;D ;D ;D
Amen.
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I'm thinking of getting an Apple Laptop ;D.
Yeah, me too!
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My Belief is that Jay5150 needs to chill out. You got way too much stress over simple cables. I use Monster cables, have used them since the early 90's. I like them.
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I am finding more and more that equipment does matter. First of all, the Monster Cables sound so much more clear than lower quality cables. When I first plugged them in (just opend the package at church - Sunday morn), I couldn't get adjusted to the new sound that came from my amp. It didn't sound the same to me. I had to literally learn how to play more cleanly because of the crispness of the sound. Every string can be heard separately so it really upped my level of play as well as sounding a lot better
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My Belief is that Jay5150 needs to chill out. You got way too much stress over simple cables. I use Monster cables, have used them since the early 90's. I like them.
But, hey, they may make a great product, I don't know. Sorry if I raised eyebrows--it wasn't my intent.
Again, I apologized if I was out of line. Sorry. Also, if you'll notice, I hadn't said anything further since that post, and that was almost a month ago. I really didn't mean for it to come across the way it sounded. I wasn't trying to argue with anyone. Consider me chilled.
God bless.
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My Belief is that Jay5150 needs to chill out. You got way too much stress over simple cables. I use Monster cables, have used them since the early 90's. I like them.
it wasn't over the cables, it was over the possible business practices of who produces the cable. if we know a company engages in shady business tactics, do you really think we should support them with the money God has blessed us to be stewards over?? it's my belief that we shouldn't.
that being said, i'm not passing judgement on Monster, since i don't think there is enough evidence to do so, but i think we'd all do well to be more aware of what companies we support with our finances.
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if we know a company engages in shady business tactics, do you really think we should support them with the money God has blessed us to be stewards over?? it's my belief that we shouldn't.
HA! Another reason I don't support Microsoft... ;D
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HA! Another reason I don't support Microsoft... ;D
ha, touche, lol
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Gladly I found this topic on here. I was just getting ready to make a thread about buying a monster cable. Are there really sharp in sound and crystal clear in highs and lows?
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They're good cables for the money and they have a no-questions-asked exchange policy.
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I could definitely tell the difference in my tone from using a cheaper instrument cable. How it compares to similarly priced cables, I don't know. I have used the no questions asked exchange policy tho. Took it to GC and got a new one of I stepped on it an snapped the end off...
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Guys I just thought about something. How would your sound, sound like if you had a monster cable, which creates crystal highs and is crystal clear and sharp, along with a an eq pedal which has that much more potential to create much more sharpness and creates more crystal highs to your sound. Man! What would that actually sound like? I really want to find out you guys.
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It would probably sound like ice-picks assaulting your ear drums.
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Guys I just thought about something. How would your sound, sound like if you had a monster cable, which creates crystal highs and is crystal clear and sharp, along with a an eq pedal which has that much more potential to create much more sharpness and creates more crystal highs to your sound. Man! What would that actually sound like? I really want to find out you guys.
First off, a Monster cable does not "create" anything. It, like any decent quality cable, will simply let the guitar sound like it's supposed to sound when the signal hits the pedals and/or the amp.
It doesn't add anything; it helps to not take away anything.
Second, yes, too much crystal sharp highs will sound like a knife being dragged across a stainless steel sink.
EQ pedals are not all that. I have an eq pedal and I NEVER use it. It sits on the shelf collecting dust.
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First off, a Monster cable does not "create" anything. It, like any decent quality cable, will simply let the guitar sound like it's supposed to sound when the signal hits the pedals and/or the amp.
It doesn't add anything; it helps to not take away anything.
Second, yes, too much crystal sharp highs will sound like a knife being dragged across a stainless steel sink.
EQ pedals are not all that. I have an eq pedal and I NEVER use it. It sits on the shelf collecting dust.
This. I'd suspect with an EQ pedal, you should be able to dial back any offending frequencies, be it high or low, that you hear. (I'm a bass player, but I saw the thread and thought I'd chime in lol).
In fact, if you're going to buy a Monster cable, I'd recommend a Mogami instead. They're around the same price, and in my own personal A/B test, the Mogami sounded more warm, or like more of the sound was actually being transmitted. The other thing is the jacks on Monster cables are actually a bit thicker than 1/4", I suppose because of their gold plating. It makes for a tight fit a first, which seems good, but after being plugged and unplugged multiple times, your jacks can start to develop shorts, or become loose, etc. I've never had that issue with Mogami's. Some of my associates also swear by Lava cables, for the same reasons.
I wouldn't pay for a Monster cable again lol...
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The other thing is the jacks on Monster cables are actually a bit thicker than 1/4", I suppose because of their gold plating. It makes for a tight fit a first, which seems good, but after being plugged and unplugged multiple times, your jacks can start to develop shorts, or become loose, etc.
In over 20 years of using Monster cables I've never experienced this, so it sounds like another internet legend to me. Plus, not all Monster cables are gold plated. The lower-cost ones are not. Regardless, I have several of each and I just checked them with a set of calipers; there's no difference between them.
Mogami is another good cable. They existed as a wire/cable company for quite some time before they started soldering ends onto their cables and selling them at Guitar Center and elsewhere. I have a couple of them at church and they work fine, but they're no better than an equally-priced Monster or other good quality cable (of which there are several).
And Mogami is guilty of the same hype that has plagued Monster since they hit the scene, due to cables like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Mogami-Platinum-Guitar-20-Straight/dp/B0018SVNRC/ref=sr_1_22?s=musical-instruments&srs=2529929011&ie=UTF8&qid=1389633527&sr=1-22&keywords=mogami (http://www.amazon.com/Mogami-Platinum-Guitar-20-Straight/dp/B0018SVNRC/ref=sr_1_22?s=musical-instruments&srs=2529929011&ie=UTF8&qid=1389633527&sr=1-22&keywords=mogami)
For $165, that cable had better change the oil in my car and make me dinner.
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The oversized monster jacks was true on some of their models, but it was rectified some years back I believe. The problem effected barrel type jacks which are much more prevalent in basses.
The audible effect of an instrument cable is electronically equivalent as an RLC circuit. Because of the nature of instrument cables the R-resistance and L-inductance is negligible. This leaves capacitance. This and only this can have an effect on the sound of an instrument cable, assuming that the cable is in working order. If you play an active instrument or an instrument with a buffered output( ie active basses/guitars, keyboards, preamp outs), then you are dealing with a low output impedance. This negates nearly all the effects of capacitance in the cable.
If you play a passive instrument (passive guitar/bass, microphones), then cable capacitance will have more of an effect because you are dealing with a high output impedance. The effect that capacitance has on a audio circuit is that of an low pass filter. It is the same effect as a tone circuit in a bass or guitar, minus the variable resistor. Capacitance bleeds high end to the ground. The higher the capacitance value the lower the filter frequency and vice-versa. Capacitance will also shift the resonance frequency of your pickups.
If you want the cleanest sound out of our passive instrument find a cable with the lowest capacitance per foot. There is no correlation between the cost of a cable and the capacitance per foot. Most high end cable makers do not even publish this figure. I personally roll my own cables, but there is no reason to spend over $30 for an instrument cable. Much more than that, and you are paying for marking hype.
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This. I'd suspect with an EQ pedal, you should be able to dial back any offending frequencies, be it high or low, that you hear. (I'm a bass player, but I saw the thread and thought I'd chime in lol).
In fact, if you're going to buy a Monster cable, I'd recommend a Mogami instead. They're around the same price, and in my own personal A/B test, the Mogami sounded more warm, or like more of the sound was actually being transmitted. The other thing is the jacks on Monster cables are actually a bit thicker than 1/4", I suppose because of their gold plating. It makes for a tight fit a first, which seems good, but after being plugged and unplugged multiple times, your jacks can start to develop shorts, or become loose, etc. I've never had that issue with Mogami's. Some of my associates also swear by Lava cables, for the same reasons.
I wouldn't pay for a Monster cable again lol...
As a matter of fact, I took what you were saying about the Mogami cable, and it is strange that one of the guitar employees at guitar center I believe said that he'd prefer Mogami cables over Monster cables. But I have been on youtube and hearing how the Mogami cables sound and you're right it sounds that much more warmer.
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Much more than that, and you are paying for marking hype.
And a lifetime replacement guarantee (in monster's case at least).
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If a guitar cable sounds "warmer" to you than another cable, it's probably killing your higher frequencies.
Again, a good cable shouldn't add anything. It should prevent signal loss from the source to the amplifier and that's it.
And, yes, that lifetime replacement is worth paying a few bucks extra for regardless if it's Monster or Mogami or Planet Waves or whatever.
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In over 20 years of using Monster cables I've never experienced this, so it sounds like another internet legend to me. Plus, not all Monster cables are gold plated. The lower-cost ones are not. Regardless, I have several of each and I just checked them with a set of calipers; there's no difference between them.
The oversized monster jacks was true on some of their models, but it was rectified some years back I believe. The problem effected barrel type jacks which are much more prevalent in basses.
If you want the cleanest sound out of our passive instrument find a cable with the lowest capacitance per foot. There is no correlation between the cost of a cable and the capacitance per foot. Most high end cable makers do not even publish this figure. I personally roll my own cables, but there is no reason to spend over $30 for an instrument cable. Much more than that, and you are paying for marking hype.
Yeah, I'm just saying from my own experience (I detest hate posts from people who've never used a product). But like 6string said, the cables I have were purchased probably 3 or 4 years ago...maybe longer than that, and they're gold plated. I used to have to use considerable force to pull the cable out of my guitar jack...on one of my basses the jack ended up needing to be rewired. So I wouldn't necessarily call it an Internet legend...
I've been meaning to start making my own cables...not that I need anymore, but I want the experience of doing it, in case I'll have to in the future. I love my Mogami (it's a 15ft I think), I paid like $45 for it at Guitar Center. It feels great, it's very durable, also has a lifetime warranty, and I don't every worry about the jack becoming unscrewed or anything like that. That said, Mogami's and Monster cables are expensive, and I bet rolling your own cables is a skill that actively saves money
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6string said something that I do remember now. The barrel-type jacks, like on my wife's Ibanez bass, do have issues with some cables, but it's not limited to Monster. We use...I forget the brand, maybe CBI...at church and she's had some intermittent drop-outs with those cables. I'll check tomorrow to see what she's using now as it works really well.
It might be a Mogami. ;D
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I have a 20' CBI cable. And a Fat Boy 10' cable that is thin... >_>
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I also have a braided Fat Boy cable that i replaced with the CBI because I feel it sounds thin and lacking in lows, but maybe it's actually better than the CBI that seems to sound heavier... I haven't noticed any loss in highs from it I think...
hmmm... is there a technical way to test for these things without having to rely on my ears?
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I have a 20' CBI cable. And a Fat Boy 10' cable that is thin... >_>
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I also have a braided Fat Boy cable that i replaced with the CBI because I feel it sounds thin and lacking in lows, but maybe it's actually better than the CBI that seems to sound heavier... I haven't noticed any loss in highs from it I think...
hmmm... is there a technical way to test for these things without having to rely on my ears?
You could use a frequency analyzer if you want to get scientific about it. You could even log and graph the data, comparing cables to see where they differ in the highs, mids and lows.
I mean, if you really want to... ;D
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6string said something that I do remember now. The barrel-type jacks, like on my wife's Ibanez bass, do have issues with some cables, but it's not limited to Monster. We use...I forget the brand, maybe CBI...at church and she's had some intermittent drop-outs with those cables. I'll check tomorrow to see what she's using now as it works really well.
It might be a Mogami. ;D
Ha lol, it might be....then I'll have to use the "it was years ago, they fixed the problem" line (@6string ;D ;D ;D ;D) Nah really, I wouldn't be surprised, too many companies producing their take on a "standard." Either way, I stick with my Mogami's, and hopefully soon my own cables. I'll have to check out CBI, I've never heard of them before today.
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Guys I just tried out a monster cable. And I could not tell the difference between the monster gold plated cable and my cheap $10 cable I have. The only difference were that the monster cable was a little more heavier. But I think I might try the mogami cables next to see how they run. Because I could not determine what I should look for in hearing the sound between the monster gold plated cable and my cheap $10 cable I have. And how sad is that... smh
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What are you expecting to hear?
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What are you expecting to hear?
I thought I'd hear a difference in the way it sounds
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I thought I'd hear a difference in the way it sounds
More clarity I guess? If you can't hear a difference I wouldn't bother.
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More clarity I guess? If you can't hear a difference I wouldn't bother.
Yes, for sure.
Where were you when you tried out the new cable? What guitar and amp were you playing?
I ask because the first time I tried a Monster cable I was in the studio. My cables were good...I soldered them myself and used good cable and good ends...but the studio engineer felt that the new Monster cables might be better, so he gave me one to try out.
I was playing my Les Paul through a nice Duncan tube amp that I used to have and I got to hear everything through an amazing studio system.
The difference between my old cables and the new cable was like night and day: better clarity, better low end response, and even a touch more db in volume. We could hear it with our ears, but just to be sure he hooked up a spectrum analyzer so we could see the difference on a digital graph.
What we heard was exactly what we saw on the red leds.
He let me keep the cable for free (I still have it after nearly 20 years) and have been a convert ever since.
A good cable is a good cable. Doesn't matter if it cost $10 or $100.