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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: Icecold24k on October 22, 2006, 12:13:55 PM
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Hey I'm a drummer wondering if the keyboard player is getting 150 a sunday how much should the drummer get a sunday ?
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$150. A sunday. But it depends on your skill level. Are you on the pro level? If not, then $75. I play keys and trap so if I did tax my chruch, I could command more, but I don't charge.
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Be a tough negotiator, man.
Start at about 1,000,000 dollars, and work your way down. I doubt they'll pay you 1 mil, but if you start too low, you can't go up.
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Be a tough negotiator, man.
Start at about 1,000,000 dollars, and work your way down. I doubt they'll pay you 1 mil, but if you start too low, you can't go up.
Is this the pipe dream feign or what? lol...
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Then they would have to pay me 150 also!
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well in all situations the keyboardists/ organists is always gonna get more than the drummer in all situations. Don't be money hungry cause that will get you no where but playing drums in ya house, cause church's don't like money hungry musicians, doesn't matter which instrument you play. See, i live in houston so, most of the coldest cats in the city church hop cause they money hungry.
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If the keyboard player is just getting $150, you may be in trouble!!
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If the keyboard player is just getting $150, you may be in trouble!!
:D Exactly.
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well in all situations the keyboardists/ organists is always gonna get more than the drummer in all situations. Don't be money hungry cause that will get you no where but playing drums in ya house, cause church's don't like money hungry musicians, doesn't matter which instrument you play. See, i live in houston so, most of the coldest cats in the city church hop cause they money hungry.
Yeah right ?/? ::). If you wanna believe that then go right ahead. Maybe the organist. Or if you are a kid drummer. And $150.00 for one sunday isn't bad at all.
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Yeah right ?/? ::). If you wanna believe that then go right ahead. Maybe the organist. Or if you are a kid drummer. And $150.00 for one sunday isn't bad at all.
that would depend on the size of the church
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that would depend on the size of the church
Very true... Whrere I live, we don't have mega chruches so when I say $150 a sunday is good, I'm speaking from a small chruch point of view. the closest mega chruch in our vacinity is Jubillee in Northern California.
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I don't know of many "church' gigs where the percussionist would get the same amount as the keyboard player... :-\
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I don't know of many "church' gigs where the percussionist would get the same amount as the keyboard player... :-\
Why is that? Is it that they think that the keyboardist is anymore important than the drummer? Most keyboardist can't play drums at all. Not even a little bit. But some drummers as myself can play keys and quite well at that.This whole thinking that the drummer is not as important as the keyboardist is a sad sad lie. All you need for a service is the organist and the drummer. Everything else is a luxury. The organist can play bass with the pedals. Now, what is the keyboardist gonna do, program the drums? Most keyboardist can't even do that right. Especially in the chruch where the only patch that they know how to use is the piano patch out of 1000 patches. And that's because they're too lazy to learn their keyboard. Now, until the chruch starts to respect what is that we do, it will always be the same ole same ole. There is no keyboardist who can slap em' like me. But I most definitly can play keyboards like them I understand theory and production. and I'm a percussionist ( Trapset ) and if I was at a so called "mega chruch" where they can afford to pay decent salaries then I commanding what the keyboardist makes and then some cause I'm 2 in 1.
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Why is that? Is it that they think that the keyboardist is anymore important than the drummer? Most keyboardist can't play drums at all. Not even a little bit. But some drummers as myself can play keys and quite well at that.This whole thinking that the drummer is not as important as the keyboardist is a sad sad lie. All you need for a service is the organist and the drummer. Everything else is a luxury. The organist can play bass with the pedals. Now, what is the keyboardist gonna do, program the drums? Most keyboardist can't even do that right. Especially in the chruch where the only patch that they know how to use is the piano patch out of 1000 patches. And that's because they're too lazy to learn their keyboard. Now, until the chruch starts to respect what is that we do, it will always be the same ole same ole. There is no keyboardist who can slap em' like me. But I most definitly can play keyboards like them I understand theory and production. and I'm a percussionist ( Trapset ) and if I was at a so called "mega chruch" where they can afford to pay decent salaries then I commanding what the keyboardist makes and then some cause I'm 2 in 1.
I agree doc im the same way! 8)
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I agree doc im the same way! 8)
Yes sir!!! You know whats up! It's the truth!! There's a thread in the music education room "Are Drummers The Key" and It tells it like it is.
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The next time a church wants you to take less than the keyboardist, tell them to sit down and play a few songs. Don't give 'em anything difficult to play, of course. That won't be necessary. I'm sure that, after they fail miserably, they'll respect what you do a whoooole lot more. After that, you sit down, play the same songs, and throw in every lick you can play cleanly; get up, and walk out the door.
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I GOT A HOMEY OF MINE THAT GETS PAID $400 HE PLAYS THE KEYS. THE CHURCH HAVE A NICE DRUMMER BUT THE ARE ONLY PAYING HIOME LIKE $75. NOW TELL ME IF THAT ISN'T A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
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Your Compensation should be according to the Churches budget for the music Ministry and how many services that you have to be a part of on Sunday.So you should be Compensated per Service not Per Sunday.
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I GOT A HOMEY OF MINE THAT GETS PAID $400 HE PLAYS THE KEYS. THE CHURCH HAVE A NICE DRUMMER BUT THE ARE ONLY PAYING HIOME LIKE $75. NOW TELL ME IF THAT ISN'T A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
That's exactly why drummers will take that R&B job.
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That's exactly why drummers will take that R&B job.
True. As I've said, in some people's mind, the drummer is the drummer, but the bassist, Organist, and keyboardist are "musicians".
If you take away the keyboardist, and still have the Organist, Bassist and Drummer, you can still kill a service.
If you take away the Organist and still have the Keyboardist, Bassist and Drummer, you can still kill a service.
If you take away the Bassist and still have the Organist, Keyboardist and Drummer, you can still kill a service.
But take away the drummer?
Or take away a sick drummer and replace him with a novice?
The drums are the only "necessary" instrument. A service wouldn't be the same without us.
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True. As I've said, in some people's mind, the drummer is the drummer, but the bassist, Organist, and keyboardist are "musicians".
If you take away the keyboardist, and still have the Organist, Bassist and Drummer, you can still kill a service.
If you take away the Organist and still have the Keyboardist, Bassist and Drummer, you can still kill a service.
If you take away the Bassist and still have the Organist, Keyboardist and Drummer, you can still kill a service.
But take away the drummer?
Or take away a sick drummer and replace him with a novice?
The drums are the only "necessary" instrument. A service wouldn't be the same without us.
Yes Sirr, Case closed.
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This may be VERY controversial to some people......
.....however.....
An online friend of mine told me the drummer is being paid 100 dollars a Sunday. He's being paid 500, but he's the organist/plays boards, and is the MoM.
....Cool.
The Pastor get's paid 3000 a Sunday. I'm so sorry, but is that really necessary? Imagine if he took a pay cut ... and had to [begin sarcasm]settle[/end sarcasm] for 2500 per week, the drummer the drummer could paid more than a MEASLEY 100 dollars!
I know what some of you are thinking,*cues Theological Seminary Graduate/T.D. Jakes-esque voice* "But that's the man of God!"
Great. Sweet. Perfection. However, I don't know what it's like up NORTH, but down south, if you don't have a good music department, you don't have a church. Heck, I know people who will be all into the service while the music is going, but will turn their ears OFF when the Pastor is teaching/preaching.
My point?
I'm not saying that the musicians are more important than the pastor, in theory .... but, if you want to keep it REALLY real....you can preach the angels out of heaven, but great musicians/choir tends to draw the crowds. Of course, you'll find it difficult gettin' people to admit that.
Before you say, 'Well my church ain't like that!", I'm not saying EVERY church is like this - however, I've been around, and I know what I've been seeing all my life.
To summarize: The weaker the music department, the smaller the congregation, from my experience. Lastly, the message SHOULD be most important, however many people don't treat it as such. People can tell you what the choir sang, but not what the Pastor taught.
Soooo, let's stop treating musicians like red-headed step children. As far as I'm concerned, musicians are being under-paid.
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This may be VERY controversial to some people......
.....however.....
An online friend of mine told me the drummer is being paid 100 dollars a Sunday. He's being paid 500, but he's the organist/plays boards, and is the MoM.
....Cool.
The Pastor get's paid 3000 a Sunday. I'm so sorry, but is that really necessary? Imagine if he took a pay cut ... and had to [begin sarcasm]settle[/end sarcasm] for 2500 per week, the drummer the drummer could paid more than a MEASLEY 100 dollars!
I know what some of you are thinking,*cues Theological Seminary Graduate/T.D. Jakes-esque voice* "But that's the man of God!"
Great. Sweet. Perfection. However, I don't know what it's like up NORTH, but down south, if you don't have a good music department, you don't have a church. Heck, I know people who will be all into the service while the music is going, but will turn their ears OFF when the Pastor is teaching/preaching.
My point?
I'm not saying that the musicians are more important than the pastor, in theory .... but, if you want to keep it REALLY real....you can preach the angels out of heaven, but great musicians/choir tends to draw the crowds. Of course, you'll find it difficult gettin' people to admit that.
Before you say, 'Well my church ain't like that!", I'm not saying EVERY church is like this - however, I've been around, and I know what I've been seeing all my life.
To summarize: The weaker the music department, the smaller the congregation, from my experience. Lastly, the message SHOULD be most important, however many people don't treat it as such. People can tell you what the choir sang, but not what the Pastor taught.
Soooo, let's stop treating musicians like red-headed step children. As far as I'm concerned, musicians are being under-paid.
Yes, the music department is extremely important.
There are people who pick a church as much for the music as for the Pastor. It's true. I've seen it. Some people wanna come get their shout on, and the Preaching is just another portion of the service.
If the church can afford to give the Pastor a personal salary of $3,000 per week, I don't think the church is struggling. He doesn't NEED to take a pay cut. He should simply pay the drummer more. Many churches (mine) don't even bring in $3,000 per week. This is probably a fairly large church, with a very high cost of operation, and obviously a healthy income.
They can afford to pay the drummer more without the Pastor taking a pay cut. But drummers are widely disrespected. And trust me, if the drummer asks for more, doesn't get it, and decides to leave......there will be another drummer out there ready to take that $100 per week.
Oh, and red-headed step-children? I WILL be using that one! :D
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. But drummers are widely disrespected. And trust me, if the drummer asks for more, doesn't get it, and decides to leave......there will be another drummer out there ready to take that $100 per week.
That's the sad thing about it.
I find it very interesting that the Pastor can be paid much more many than he/she need's per week, and yet the musicians are out of order if they ask for more. I also find if funny that, when Pastor is ready to tune up, and that organist don't come in on time, he get's the 'eye'. Nah, uh Mr. 3, 000 dollar per/week! If you can command that kind of salary, then you don't need my help!
Some of ya'll can sit here talking about "I play for the Lord", but you have to stand up for yourself, when you see you're being under-valued/taken advantage of. Church SHOULD all about God, but they're paying SALARIES in church now. People will take advantage of you, if you don't understand your worth and/or have the courage to speak up. Yes, they will do it in church too, believe it or not.
This became an issue when 'ministries' started to become more like 'businesses'. Heh, church is a long way from the one room building, and the old lady beating a tambourine, and someone playing a scrub-board, lol.
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This may be VERY controversial to some people......
.....however.....
An online friend of mine told me the drummer is being paid 100 dollars a Sunday. He's being paid 500, but he's the organist/plays boards, and is the MoM.
....Cool.
The Pastor get's paid 3000 a Sunday. I'm so sorry, but is that really necessary? Imagine if he took a pay cut ... and had to [begin sarcasm]settle[/end sarcasm] for 2500 per week, the drummer the drummer could paid more than a MEASLEY 100 dollars!
I know what some of you are thinking,*cues Theological Seminary Graduate/T.D. Jakes-esque voice* "But that's the man of God!"
Great. Sweet. Perfection. However, I don't know what it's like up NORTH, but down south, if you don't have a good music department, you don't have a church. Heck, I know people who will be all into the service while the music is going, but will turn their ears OFF when the Pastor is teaching/preaching.
My point?
I'm not saying that the musicians are more important than the pastor, in theory .... but, if you want to keep it REALLY real....you can preach the angels out of heaven, but great musicians/choir tends to draw the crowds. Of course, you'll find it difficult gettin' people to admit that.
Before you say, 'Well my church ain't like that!", I'm not saying EVERY church is like this - however, I've been around, and I know what I've been seeing all my life.
To summarize: The weaker the music department, the smaller the congregation, from my experience. Lastly, the message SHOULD be most important, however many people don't treat it as such. People can tell you what the choir sang, but not what the Pastor taught.
Soooo, let's stop treating musicians like red-headed step children. As far as I'm concerned, musicians are being under-paid.
AMEN, This is alll so true. My chruch is a prime example of it. Not to say that it's right, but if you only Knew the history of my Pastor and all the stuff that as gone down you would clearly see the whole picture.
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I GOT A HOMEY OF MINE THAT GETS PAID $400 HE PLAYS THE KEYS. THE CHURCH HAVE A NICE DRUMMER BUT THE ARE ONLY PAYING HIOME LIKE $75. NOW TELL ME IF THAT ISN'T A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
it depends if the drummers like a 13 year old kid hes doesnt need 400$ a service but if ur comparing that to a male/female that does it as a profession then i think thats reasonable.
but if thats not the case and in the same situation you would look at them both as equal i would talk to the board to reach a agreement and if that doesnt work i would find a new gig. its only fair that musicians are treated equally
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That's the sad thing about it.
I find it very interesting that the Pastor can be paid much more many than he/she need's per week, and yet the musicians are out of order if they ask for more. I also find if funny that, when Pastor is ready to tune up, and that organist don't come in on time, he get's the 'eye'. Nah, uh Mr. 3, 000 dollar per/week! If you can command that kind of salary, then you don't need my help!
Some of ya'll can sit here talking about "I play for the Lord", but you have to stand up for yourself, when you see you're being under-valued/taken advantage of. Church SHOULD all about God, but they're paying SALARIES in church now. People will take advantage of you, if you don't understand your worth and/or have the courage to speak up. Yes, they will do it in church too, believe it or not.
This became an issue when 'ministries' started to become more like 'businesses'. Heh, church is a long way from the one room building, and the old lady beating a tambourine, and someone playing a scrub-board, lol.
Yo, I went to a church earlier this year and there was this lady playing a scrubbing board. Me and my wife just looked at each other like :D
I belong to a small ministry. I know for a fact (as I used to volunteer for the church, and saw the income), that there isn't enough money coming in to pay me. Also, I'm not attending this church to play the drums. I've been in this ministry from the time I was 10, and didn't start play till a few years ago. It's my home church.
HOWEVER,
If the ministry grows to the point where there is an abundance of finance, I WILL be making my request for a salary. If it doesn't, then I will be glad to play for the Lord, because in all honesty, I don't play for money. I play because I love to play and I see music as another form of worship.
I can go off on a tangent a page long and talk about how when I'm on the Organ, I can worship the Lord in a way that a voice simply can't.
Simply put, if you're in a fairly large ministry, you should be paid. $100 per week for a large ministry is chump change. Do you want to be the chump? I didn't think so.
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Well, well, well... I was attending a megachurch down here in Tampa, FL (Without Walls International Church; Pastors Randy and Paula White). This church boasts membership of 28,000 people and they do not pay their musicians one red cent. The only person on the music staff that gets paid is the music director. Being a musician at the church requires you to be present at 3 services a Sunday, 1 service on Saturday, 1 service on Thursday, and choir rehearsal on Wednesday. That's part-time job hours right there, so where's the part-time paycheck?
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Well, well, well... I was attending a megachurch down here in Tampa, FL (Without Walls International Church; Pastors Randy and Paula White). This church boasts membership of 28,000 people and they do not pay their musicians one red cent. The only person on the music staff that gets paid is the music director. Being a musician at the church requires you to be present at 3 services a Sunday, 1 service on Saturday, 1 service on Thursday, and choir rehearsal on Wednesday. That's part-time job hours right there, so where's the part-time paycheck?
:o :o :o :o :o
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Well, well, well... I was attending a megachurch down here in Tampa, FL (Without Walls International Church; Pastors Randy and Paula White). This church boasts membership of 28,000 people and they do not pay their musicians one red cent. The only person on the music staff that gets paid is the music director. Being a musician at the church requires you to be present at 3 services a Sunday, 1 service on Saturday, 1 service on Thursday, and choir rehearsal on Wednesday. That's part-time job hours right there, so where's the part-time paycheck?
You have gots to be kidding Bruh? WOW... That is most def. a part-time job. I see that lady on T.V. in Cali all the time... Well, if the musicians are willing to do it for free, then God Bless em'.... I use to get payed at my little chruch, but I don't no more. I scaled back my particapation in the music ministry because of personal and spiritual reason, not because of money. I gave up my check because of some serious dirt that went down. :-X :-X :-X
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Well, well, well... I was attending a megachurch down here in Tampa, FL (Without Walls International Church; Pastors Randy and Paula White). This church boasts membership of 28,000 people and they do not pay their musicians one red cent. The only person on the music staff that gets paid is the music director. Being a musician at the church requires you to be present at 3 services a Sunday, 1 service on Saturday, 1 service on Thursday, and choir rehearsal on Wednesday. That's part-time job hours right there, so where's the part-time paycheck?
She had Donald Trump and some other mega-rich dude on TV this morning talking about how to aquire wealth. I bet she ain't hurting for nothin', and I'm willing to bet the congregation is the reason why.
I wonder what's their reason for not paying their musicians? I bet they can come up with some scripture to justify it, yet, for whatever reason, the same doesn't apply to them.
Twenty-eight thousand members? Pfft!
Give me a break.
Boy if this wasn't a Christian website, I'd let 'er rip.
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yo i agree w/ alot thats been said, im a central new york state drummer and im telling u i gets no love, if i wasn't holyghost filled i wouldn't be playin da drums at all, i play every week and alot of times multiply times a week cuz my church has lots of events, and i don't get a dime.... also i drove to this church bout an hour away yesterday and played, drove my car and brought my own gear and didn't get a penny the pastor of that church just said god bless u brother and his wife gave me a little decorated bag with 2 sticks of gum 2 peppermints a pen and a track...lol.. thats crazy right... i could understand if i was a wack drummer but im in college full time, work 2 jobs, and a bunch of other things on my plate, and i still practice at least 3 times a week for hours at a time my pastor is mad cool but i feel i being used big time and it is very discouraging i must admit, im one of the best drummers in my area which has a lot of musicians and im not sayin this to brag, im just sayin what people tell me and everyone says how humble i am in general without even knowing my situation... my dilemma is, is it the enemy or God telling me to put my foot down about the whole matter? anyone with serious advice please holla atcha boy... god bless!
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i dont think that it matter of which instrument is more important moreso than it is the responsibilities required of an organist. i would say 60%-70% are required when hire to teach choir/praise team parts. whens the last time you heard of a preacher travelling with just his drummer and no organist intentionally.
and lets clarify something i take no engagements without a good drummer and if one wont be provided i pay out of my pocket to bring one just ask cedric easton or nate parker 2 of columbus, ohio's better drummers.
but i also say if im playing during service(talk music, start of backing up the preacher) when the drummer is not why should i take same or lesser pay and this is based off the previous arguments as to why a drummer should be paid the same or better.
its football season the cowboys-giants game is coming on so ill leave this with yall QB's are usually the highest paid football player on thier team but they wouldnt be stars with thier lesser paid offensive line protecting them.
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i dont think that it matter of which instrument is more important moreso than it is the responsibilities required of an organist. i would say 60%-70% are required when hire to teach choir/praise team parts. whens the last time you heard of a preacher travelling with just his drummer and no organist intentionally.
and lets clarify something i take no engagements without a good drummer and if one wont be provided i pay out of my pocket to bring one just ask cedric easton or nate parker 2 of columbus, ohio's better drummers.
but i also say if im playing during service(talk music, start of backing up the preacher) when the drummer is not why should i take same or lesser pay and this is based off the previous arguments as to why a drummer should be paid the same or better.
its football season the cowboys-giants game is coming on so ill leave this with yall QB's are usually the highest paid football player on thier team but they wouldnt be stars with thier lesser paid offensive line protecting them.
Dude you missed the whole point of this thread. The organist should be payed more than all the musicians. But as far as the keyboardist and I'll throw the bass player in there to since you showed up in here, NO!!! Y'all shouldn't get paid more than the drummer. The music ministry doesn't need bass player or a keyboardist over a drummer. The organist can handle your part with his feet. You just a luxury as I said before. Go watch the game, cause I am.
Boy that was a nice play Eli and Plax made...
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Dude you missed the whole point of this thread. The organist should be payed more than all the musicians. But as far as the keyboardist and I'll throw the bass player in there to since you showed up in here, NO!!! Y'all shouldn't get paid more than the drummer. The music ministry doesn't need bass player or a keyboardist over a drummer. The organist can handle your part with his feet. You just a luxury as I said before. Go watch the game, cause I am.
Boy that was a nice play Eli and Plax made...
its cool but you misread my post but its ok. i referred to organist as the primary not keys or bass (and if you check my profile I am an organist thats changing over to bass) however a drummer over a keyboardist is cutting it kinda close point #1 still in this day and age not all churches have an organ which mean keys run the service, #2 in this era of church keys playing has become more of a prominent role and can handle bass with his left also he sequence a drum track.
your luxury statement i find hilarious cuz there probaly not maybe 1 or 2 organist or drummer in any church that wouldnt want to play with a solid bass player but its still funny considering im a organist
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its cool but you misread my post but its ok. i referred to organist as the primary not keys or bass (and if you check my profile I am an organist thats changing over to bass) however a drummer over a keyboardist is cutting it kinda close point #1 still in this day and age not all churches have an organ which mean keys run the service, #2 in this era of church keys playing has become more of a prominent role and can handle bass with his left also he sequence a drum track.
your luxury statement i find hilarious cuz there probaly not maybe 1 or 2 organist or drummer in any church that wouldnt want to play with a solid bass player but its still funny considering im a organist
Trust me dude, I LOVE Great bass players and would welcome them anyday of the week into my life. Bass players are a drummers best friend. But you are exspendable if there is a organist. Bottom line. If you read my proflie I play keys and have been since I was 18 yrs old. And if the keyboardist is the lead instrument then yes I agree with you, but if there is a organist he can go away too and we will still keep it moving. And sequencing a drum track is so dum, because like said before, most keyboardist in the chruch can't even do that right. They know one or two patches out of 1000, piano and strings. And yes you bass players are a luxury to me like it or not. Would love to have you though. ;)
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That's strange cause where I live a church considers a drummer is "a road less travelled" if you catch my drift.
In fact so is an organist.
What hold's down a lot of services here is keys & a gat (at the most a bass can be added as well) and if the church had to pick out of a drummer or a bass guitarist they'd pick neither & just find a second keys person just because they'd want to make sure there is always someone on the keys. ::)
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That's strange cause where I live a church considers a drummer is "a road less travelled" if you catch my drift.
In fact so is an organist.
What hold's down a lot of services here is keys & a gat (at the most a bass can be added as well) and if the church had to pick out of a drummer or a bass guitarist they'd pick neither & just find a second keys person just because they'd want to make sure there is always someone on the keys. ::)
Man in the African American Chruch the organist and the drummer are the one who hold down the service. If there is no organist and the keyboard player is the lead musician then he/she is consider the highest paid. No problem with that. Rhythm is everything in the Black Chruch. If you take the drummer out of the black chruch you will have a problem.
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I think many people think it requires more skill to play the organ/keyboard than the drums. I think it would be harder to replace an organist than a drummer. If I had a choice between a drummer and no organist/keyboard player and keyboard player/organist and no drummer...give me the organ/keyboard. They are both important....just that in many churches you have quite a few guys/gals playing the drums, but not so much keyboard/organ.
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Man in the African American Chruch the organist and the drummer are the one who hold down the service. If there is no organist and the keyboard player is the lead musician then he/she is consider the highest paid. No problem with that. Rhythm is everything in the Black Chruch. If you take the drummer out of the black chruch you will have a problem.
Amen. Drummers are NECESSARY. As I said before. Organists aren't NECESSARY if you have a keys player, and a keys player isn't NECESSARY if you have an Organist. and a Bass Player isn't NECESSARY if you have a really good Organist (who can run the baseline in his left hand or with his foot.
Who's going to make up for not having a drummer?!?!
I don't care WHAT kind of drum sequence you have. There's no substitute for a live drummer. You can signal the drummer and have different cues and signs to do different things at different times. No substitute.
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Amen. Drummers are NECESSARY. As I said before. Organists aren't NECESSARY if you have a keys player, and a keys player isn't NECESSARY if you have an Organist. and a Bass Player isn't NECESSARY if you have a really good Organist (who can run the baseline in his left hand or with his foot.
Who's going to make up for not having a drummer?!?!
I don't care WHAT kind of drum sequence you have. There's no substitute for a live drummer. You can signal the drummer and have different cues and signs to do different things at different times. No substitute.
They ain't listening bruh. There are chruches out here in my community who are wishing I would come and join their congresssion and provide with the percussion element to their choir now that they got the news that I'm no longer drumming and playing keys at my chruch. I rather just go and get the word. And a drummer of my clabier is hard to come by, and I'm not being cocky at all. It's just all the drummers who are on my level don't play in chruch, they play in other venues because of the attitudes of these people who feel like "Oh your just a drummer, you not a musician".
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And a drummer of my clabier is hard to come by, and I'm not being cocky at all.
That's great. I love it when musicians are willin' to admit that they know they're good.
...........but, I'm curious about something else, tho'...
Why is the word 'cocky' used to describe someone arrogant? Why did they decide that THAT was a good word to use? Any ideas, ladies and gentleman?
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That's great. I love it when musicians are willin' to admit that they know they're good.
...........but, I'm curious about something else, tho'...
Why is the word 'cocky' used to describe someone arrogant? Why did they decide that THAT was a good word to use? Any ideas, ladies and gentleman?
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Does that mean you don't know?
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I think many people think it requires more skill to play the organ/keyboard than the drums. I think it would be harder to replace an organist than a drummer. If I had a choice between a drummer and no organist/keyboard player and keyboard player/organist and no drummer...give me the organ/keyboard. They are both important....just that in many churches you have quite a few guys/gals playing the drums, but not so much keyboard/organ.
Do you truly believe that it takes more skill to play other musical instruments then it does to play the drums ?/??
Lady what do you play? I would be willing to put money on it, if I was a gambling man, that if you asked to play the drums in a professional setting that you would clam up and sweat and fall off the drum throne. Not because you're a girl but you can't play like a pro drummer. It's a whole diffrerent animal. Please, don't disrespect what is that we do as percussionist. Most of us drummers are multi instrumentalist, technicians, engineers and producers. I seen chruch organist and keyboardist who can even turn on a mixing board. ?/?
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That's great. I love it when musicians are willin' to admit that they know they're good.
...........but, I'm curious about something else, tho'...
Why is the word 'cocky' used to describe someone arrogant? Why did they decide that THAT was a good word to use? Any ideas, ladies and gentleman?
OK, what word do you think I should you use then? Go get a thesaurus and get back at me.
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OK, what word do you think I should you use then? Go get a thesaurus and get back at me.
Oh, I don't know, man.
I just wonder who came up with it, and why. Interesting when you think about it, don't you think?
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Oh, I don't know, man.
I just wonder who came up with it, and why. Interesting when you think about it, don't you think?
I don't know either, maybe over- confident would be a better word. Maybe some surfer dude came up with that word in Santa Cruz or something. I never looked at it in a funny thinking way if you know what I mean. :-\
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Does that mean you don't know?
It means "No Comment" :D
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I think many people think it requires more skill to play the organ/keyboard than the drums. I think it would be harder to replace an organist than a drummer. If I had a choice between a drummer and no organist/keyboard player and keyboard player/organist and no drummer...give me the organ/keyboard. They are both important....just that in many churches you have quite a few guys/gals playing the drums, but not so much keyboard/organ.
i disagree with this statement on the sole purpose that i play organ with my left right hand along with the footpedal, but i cant get on the drums and do a single lick.
each instrument requires its own unique skill not just organ and not just drums and not everyone is blessed with those talents so be careful when posting which is harder bcuz each has its own difficulties
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i disagree with this statement on the sole purpose that i play organ with my left right hand along with the footpedal, but i cant get on the drums and do a single lick.
each instrument requires its own unique skill not just organ and not just drums and not everyone is blessed with those talents so be careful when posting which is harder bcuz each has its own difficulties
AMEN!!!
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...........but, I'm curious about something else, tho'...
Why is the word 'cocky' used to describe someone arrogant? Why did they decide that THAT was a good word to use? Any ideas, ladies and gentleman?
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Im prety sure it comes from the rooster, which is also called a cock. The rooster is percieved as a verry arrogant animal, hence the word "cocky". Well Im done with my orgins lesson. Class dismissed. LOL!!!!!
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...........but, I'm curious about something else, tho'...
Why is the word 'cocky' used to describe someone arrogant? Why did they decide that THAT was a good word to use? Any ideas, ladies and gentleman?
Im prety sure it comes from the rooster, which is also called a cock. The rooster is percieved as a verry arrogant animal, hence the word "cocky". Well Im done with my orgins lesson. Class dismissed. LOL!!!!!
I was thinking the same thing, but I wasn't sure. Good lesson! ;)
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So whats about Guitarplayers ;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;
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1 timothy 5:18 ...The worker is worthy of his reward...galatians 6:7 whatsoever a man sow, that he also reap...to avoid being under and over paid, musicians should get paid acording to the amount of time+effort they put into their work( which of course should be seen in their playing). Being honest you wouldnt pay me what you'd pay Calvin Rodgers or Teddy Campbell :-\...they both do way more than just play drums... I belive that drummers play a very important role in music because a drum sequencer can probably do the accents,fills, brakes etc but it cant play with feeling and with anointing. all you need is a drummer and some to play cords with a bass line and a lil extra, like a guitar or piano or key board or organ player... ;D.
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1 timothy 5:18 ...The worker is worthy of his reward...galatians 6:7 whatsoever a man sow, that he also reap...to avoid being under and over paid, musicians should get paid acording to the amount of time+effort they put into their work( which of course should be seen in their playing). Being honest you wouldnt pay me what you'd pay Calvin Rodgers or Teddy Campbell :-\...they both do way more than just play drums... I belive that drummers play a very important role in music because a drum sequencer can probably do the accents,fills, brakes etc but it cant play with feeling and with anointing. all you need is a drummer and some to play cords with a bass line and a lil extra, like a guitar or piano or key board or organ player... ;D.
Welcome to the Fam NY! Have fun, contribute, and learn :).
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Greetings!
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Well, I play for a church with a membership recorded to about 2,000 people. And, I play set and I only get 160 for two services, plus taxes are being taken out so that would equal about 147 and some change, I don't worry about money, but on the real side, I am getting ripped off bad, but GOD handles people when they know they are doing u wrong.
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Well, I play for a church with a membership recorded to about 2,000 people. And, I play set and I only get 160 for two services, plus taxes are being taken out so that would equal about 147 and some change, I don't worry about money, but on the real side, I am getting ripped off bad, but GOD handles people when they know they are doing u wrong.
But isnt it up to you to say i feel like you the church is taking advantage of my gift and i choose to stay.
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Do you truly believe that it takes more skill to play other musical instruments then it does to play the drums ?/??
Lady what do you play? I would be willing to put money on it, if I was a gambling man, that if you asked to play the drums in a professional setting that you would clam up and sweat and fall off the drum throne. Not because you're a girl but you can't play like a pro drummer. It's a whole diffrerent animal. Please, don't disrespect what is that we do as percussionist. Most of us drummers are multi instrumentalist, technicians, engineers and producers. I seen chruch organist and keyboardist who can even turn on a mixing board. ?/?
I play the drums...i said many people think the drums are easier...they take it for granted.
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...........but, I'm curious about something else, tho'...
Why is the word 'cocky' used to describe someone arrogant? Why did they decide that THAT was a good word to use? Any ideas, ladies and gentleman?
Im prety sure it comes from the rooster, which is also called a cock. The rooster is percieved as a verry arrogant animal, hence the word "cocky". Well Im done with my orgins lesson. Class dismissed. LOL!!!!!
I think it's used because it's a popular term. It's used sooooo much until it's almost natural to use it in place of arrogant. Arrogant seems to be used a lot when refering to wealthy people or people with a lot of knowledge...IMO
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I play the drums...i said many people think the drums are easier...they take it for granted.
Yeah, I read your profile where it says you play the drums, so you should understand. The drums are very complicated and I believe you know that. Next time you encounter some one who has that attitude, just look at those same people who believe that and when they say the arrogant statement, sit them down on your drum throne, get a music stand, place a chart on that same stand, hand them your drumsticks (the ones that have splinters in them), turn on a click track and say have at it. I bet you they will fail... I have" Aretha Franklin" for every instrumentlist who can master their craft.
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Note: Every church in America has some one who plays the drums.
Note: Not every church in America has a Drummer.
If I pick up a Guitar and play two notes, does it make me a Guitarist? :-\
It's sad. Laymen think that being able to sit on a kit and keep SOME kind of time playing Bass on "1" and Snare on "3" makes you a drummer and it DOESN'T. They don't see the drums as an art, when in fact it is. Why?
Because you MUST take time to play ANYTHING on the Guitar, Organ and Keyboard, but if you have steady time, you can hold a simple beat on a drumkit from jump. Hence they think it's easier. Most people have NO idea till they try to actually get on a kit and hold down a service.
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Hey, dirty, baby I got your money
Don't your worry, I said hey.
Baby I got your money
Ol D.B.
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Hey, dirty, baby I got your money
Don't your worry, I said hey.
Baby I got your money
Ol D.B.
Amen
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Amen
LOL!
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I shared this story on another thread however I think it is worth sharing on this discussion. I started playing drums for 10 bucks a week for a church in Memphis back in 1991. Mind you back then the going rate was 50 bucks in most churches. I was in my sophomore year of high school so I had no idea. I was a novice to where the money was going in church. I thought God got all of it until Jan of 1991. I got a five dollar raise about 6 months later and it stayed there until about 1996. God blessed me tremendously even though my church was using me. I played for that church until I moved to nashville in 1999. I took a seven year hiatus from playing not because of that experience but because of a promise God made to me during the mid 90's. Preaching the gospel is another passion of mine. I see ministry totally different than being another musician in the church world. Personally I'm against gigging for secular acts.(another debate) Money always finds a the way to corrupt the best of us.(if we let it)
I see why Jesus was angry at the money changer The love of money opens up evil which sows discourse into our better judgement. Pastors and leadership will always budget more for themselves.(Get used to it) Politicians do the same thing. If we could right our own salaries what would they be? I really believe that we must reform how we do church business. That's from the pulpit on down. Those seven years taught me to love God more than my instrument. When I came out of retirement earlier this year I played for 2 months for nothing. The church begged me to take 100 bucks a week. I am appreciative but I'm there for the worship experience. It is something I haven't experienced since I became a drummer. There are only 2 things in this world that I would do for free. I would play drums and I would preach God's word for nothing. It is only because of the early exposure of how people can distort God's word and use people for their own purpose. If you are a drummer getting used by your fellowship don't murmur!! I speak from personal experience when I say that God will bless you if your heart is right. He taught us to pray for those who spitefully use us. After we pray then he is the one who covicts and judges.
Peace
Furious
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I shared this story on another thread however I think it is worth sharing on this discussion. I started playing drums for 10 bucks a week for a church in Memphis back in 1991. Mind you back then the going rate was 50 bucks in most churches. I was in my sophomore year of high school so I had no idea. I was a novice to where the money was going in church. I thought God got all of it until Jan of 1991. I got a five dollar raise about 6 months later and it stayed there until about 1996. God blessed me tremendously even though my church was using me. I played for that church until I moved to nashville in 1999. I took a seven year hiatus from playing not because of that experience but because of a promise God made to me during the mid 90's. Preaching the gospel is another passion of mine. I see ministry totally different than being another musician in the church world. Personally I'm against gigging for secular acts.(another debate) Money always finds a the way to corrupt the best of us.(if we let it)
I see why Jesus was angry at the money changer The love of money opens up evil which sows discourse into our better judgement. Pastors and leadership will always budget more for themselves.(Get used to it) Politicians do the same thing. If we could right our own salaries what would they be? I really believe that we must reform how we do church business. That's from the pulpit on down. Those seven years taught me to love God more than my instrument. When I came out of retirement earlier this year I played for 2 months for nothing. The church begged me to take 100 bucks a week. I am appreciative but I'm there for the worship experience. It is something I haven't experienced since I became a drummer. There are only 2 things in this world that I would do for free. I would play drums and I would preach God's word for nothing. It is only because of the early exposure of how people can distort God's word and use people for their own purpose. If you are a drummer getting used by your fellowship don't murmur!! I speak from personal experience when I say that God will bless you if your heart is right. He taught us to pray for those who spitefully use us. After we pray then he is the one who covicts and judges.
Peace
Furious
Furious Styles, judging from your past posts, you seem to really have a problem with leadership. Have you been hurt by a Pastor/Pastors before? If so, there is a healing for you.
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Furious Styles: What's up, Nupe?
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I don't have a problem with Leadership. I do have a problem with the hypocrosy. To imply that I have had a bad experience because of my beliefs would be misguided. My thought pattern comes from the example of Jesus being willing to challenge the establishment. I believe that when money is the primary focus of why you serve(minister) then it is very easy to get off track. This discussion could imply that we are bitter about our experiences as musicians in church but that isn't the case. We are all discussing the establishment which is healthy. I shared my experience to encourage not to try and tell the saddest story. I am better for my experience because my focus has been shaped in pleasing God and not lining my pockets.
That doesn't mean I wouldn't accept God's blessings through my brother or sister in Christ. It should be known that if God moves on my heart to be a blessing to someone I will do just that. Which is the true meaning of the scripture Give and shall be given. We know this scripture but the true essence of it is how men in return gives in our bosoms. That's another discussion. I am a true radical who desires to see things done right. So no hard feelings.
Sup PHI
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I don't have a problem with Leadership. I do have a problem with the hypocrosy. To imply that I have had a bad experience because of my beliefs would be misguided. My thought pattern comes from the example of Jesus being willing to challenge the establishment. I believe that when money is the primary focus of why you serve(minister) then it is very easy to get off track. This discussion could imply that we are bitter about our experiences as musicians in church but that isn't the case. We are all discussing the establishment which is healthy. I shared my experience to encourage not to try and tell the saddest story. I am better for my experience because my focus has been shaped in pleasing God and not lining my pockets.
That doesn't mean I wouldn't accept God's blessings through my brother or sister in Christ. It should be known that if God moves on my heart to be a blessing to someone I will do just that. Which is the true meaning of the scripture Give and shall be given. We know this scripture but the true essence of it is how men in return gives in our bosoms. That's another discussion. I am a true radical who desires to see things done right. So no hard feelings.
Sup PHI
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I asked you this in another thread but you never answered.....
How long have you been at your current church? How long have you been sitting under your present Pastor? Are you allowing him to shepherd you?
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I don't have a problem with Leadership. I do have a problem with the hypocrosy. To imply that I have had a bad experience because of my beliefs would be misguided. My thought pattern comes from the example of Jesus being willing to challenge the establishment. I believe that when money is the primary focus of why you serve(minister) then it is very easy to get off track. This discussion could imply that we are bitter about our experiences as musicians in church but that isn't the case. We are all discussing the establishment which is healthy. I shared my experience to encourage not to try and tell the saddest story. I am better for my experience because my focus has been shaped in pleasing God and not lining my pockets.
That doesn't mean I wouldn't accept God's blessings through my brother or sister in Christ. It should be known that if God moves on my heart to be a blessing to someone I will do just that. Which is the true meaning of the scripture Give and shall be given. We know this scripture but the true essence of it is how men in return gives in our bosoms. That's another discussion. I am a true radical who desires to see things done right. So no hard feelings.
Sup PHI
Your past posts, and even some of the things you said in this post seem to indicate that you're not exactly ready to serve under a Pastor.
However, I just want to state to everyone on this board: You must follow a Pastor.
That means you must be committed to a ministry and pay your tithe to that ministry. Why? Because it's scriptural.
Elisha followed and served Elijah:
IIKings 2
1And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Bethel. And Elisha said unto him, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel.
3And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.
4And Elijah said unto him, Elisha, tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Jericho. And he said, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho.
5And the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he answered, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.
6And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here; for the LORD hath sent me to Jordan. And he said, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And they two went on.
He was COMMITTED to the man. THAT'S why he received the double portion of Elijah's anointing. Because he was committed to the Man of God.
God values committment and steadiness.
I want to encourage everyone here:
Find a Pastor and stick with him. Pray and ask the Lord to direct you to the ministry that you're destined to be in. That doesn't mean you can't play for other churches. It simply means that no matter who you play for, you have a "home church."
Once he sends you to that Ministry, don't "Challenge the Establishment". That's called Rebellion. :)
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At this point I am a hired gun for this church. I haven't joined this church. The minister of music at this church is a childhood friend. In fact we were at the same church that I mentioned in my earlier post. He made 5 bucks more than I did!! We have been down with each other for some years and he practically begged me to play. I'm not one to turn down a friend in need so I obliged and played for free at this church for almost 3 months. I've experienced some great things spiritually at this church. For the first time I've seen spiritual gifts flow without inhabition. The praise team is small and not as "talented" but they are sincere and faithful.
A lot of the music we do is unrehearsed and the spirit really moves in this church. The pastor seems to be a great guy but I haven't found him to be the sheperd that I know that God has for me. I'm looking for someone who will not only chasten me but have a geniune interest in my gift and calling. That is rare to find in a pastor nowadays because it is all about advancing "the kingdom" which in a lot of cases are individual church kingdoms but I digress on that. I need a pastor who shares my radical approach to ministry. My wife and I attend a mega church which hasn't satisfied my itch for the radical either. Most would take this as someone who needs a lot of attention or someone who wants things their way or the hghway.
That's not it either. I know what God has in me and typically who you are assigned to is placed in your life by God and not by who you think. I'm praying for that day. That doesn't mean I do everything right or I believe I'm perfect. Part of my calling needs a kindred spirit that I respect and that individual respects me as well. The main reason I haven't joined this church because it is small congregation with the residue of the mega church mentality which I want no part of.. Mentality is key no matter the size of a church. I've grown to a place where if it was 10 to 20 sincere people and we were all on one accord with or without the music and the word is being rightly divided then that would be the place for me to be. I'm after a more initmate walk with God. I hope that sheds more light on where I'm comming from. If not I don't expect to understand everyone nor do I expect everyone to understand me. So its cool either way. I appreciate your conern.
Furious
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well depending on were and wat church u play for. if u play for a church with 100 members u should get like $50 if u playing for a church that holds 500 members and up a drummer should be gettin paid like $100 and up. but just remember it shouldnt be bout the money yea we need it and yea its good to play and get paid, but its about jesus guys..... i dont get paid at my church as yet...... but i pay for other groups and other church services and i get like $80 AND UP but with me im doing it for GOD.
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At this point I am a hired gun for this church. I haven't joined this church. The minister of music at this church is a childhood friend. In fact we were at the same church that I mentioned in my earlier post. He made 5 bucks more than I did!! We have been down with each other for some years and he practically begged me to play. I'm not one to turn down a friend in need so I obliged and played for free at this church for almost 3 months. I've experienced some great things spiritually at this church. For the first time I've seen spiritual gifts flow without inhabition. The praise team is small and not as "talented" but they are sincere and faithful.
A lot of the music we do is unrehearsed and the spirit really moves in this church. The pastor seems to be a great guy but I haven't found him to be the sheperd that I know that God has for me. I'm looking for someone who will not only chasten me but have a geniune interest in my gift and calling. That is rare to find in a pastor nowadays because it is all about advancing "the kingdom" which in a lot of cases are individual church kingdoms but I digress on that. I need a pastor who shares my radical approach to ministry. My wife and I attend a mega church which hasn't satisfied my itch for the radical either. Most would take this as someone who needs a lot of attention or someone who wants things their way or the hghway.
That's not it either. I know what God has in me and typically who you are assigned to is placed in your life by God and not by who you think. I'm praying for that day. That doesn't mean I do everything right or I believe I'm perfect. Part of my calling needs a kindred spirit that I respect and that individual respects me as well. The main reason I haven't joined this church because it is small congregation with the residue of the mega church mentality which I want no part of.. Mentality is key no matter the size of a church. I've grown to a place where if it was 10 to 20 sincere people and we were all on one accord with or without the music and the word is being rightly divided then that would be the place for me to be. I'm after a more initmate walk with God. I hope that sheds more light on where I'm comming from. If not I don't expect to understand everyone nor do I expect everyone to understand me. So its cool either way. I appreciate your conern.
Furious
I pray the Lord leads you to your Under Shepherd.
God Bless. :)
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I don't mind getting under paid.....as long as im playing drums......I'll settle for $40.00 a week at ANY church......
I haven't started getting gigs or anything....most of the drumming i have been doin for the 3 years i have been drumming was practicing and learning about drums
(I did play at my chuch but not for money....and the music wasn't organized with proper singers or other musicians at all..)
I don't take those gigs for granted at all.....
As long as i get to play
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Well It seems I sparked up a major conversation I will state this yes its a ministry an you should be there to praise God but it takes money to build a successful ministry thus the reasoning that a pastor takes an offering every sunday. A music ministry takes money to function also because what about when musicians buy stuff to enhance their gift such as sheet music,videos,cds,tapes,keyboards,drums,drumsticks,heads,soundmodules,mpc's also lets not forget the music department does a lot of running like the preacher consider gas money all that goes into that check you get every sunday for playing an instrument an directing at the service.
Like me right now I play at 2 churches just to make gas money to get to rehearsals an services but I have no money for any thing extra to enhance my gift an its cause I'm a very under paid drummer an I love the Lord an I believe right now he's showing me where my blessings lie an I should count it all joy .
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Interesting points and opinions. I have been a drummer for Mt. Zion Baptist Church in Nashville, TN since 1996. When my pastor (Bishop Joseph Warren Walker, III asked me to play he was just starting out. I initially replied to him I would play for nothing because I simply did not believe I should be paid by the church for "work for the Lord". He appreciated my response and offered me $50 per Sunday.
As his mininstry grew, then sky-rocketed, we began to receive raises every year. My pastor is a former drummer and drum major for the Southern University Marching Band, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. So he knows music. He also understands the importance of music in the ministry and the services. To fast forward, we are now one church in three locations within the city of Nashville, Tennessee and a fourth location in Jackson, Tennessee about 125 miles between Nashville and Memphis, Tennessee.
Our pay depends on our MUSICAL contribution and experience to the ministry. Of course our minister of music receives a very nice salary because he is the man responsible for selecting the music and incorporating the music into the services and various programs that are held at the church. He is fulltime, writes songs, oversees choir and band rehearsals, directs choir, a recording musician, toured with Donnie McClurkin, CeCe Winans. He is responsible for making sure that Bishop's musical request are met at any church service or program (Sunday, Wednesday and any other day).
The music directors (MD) (Virgil Stratford and Tyrone Dickerson) at each location receive a nice salary, because they are also fulltime like the minister of music. They write songs, conduct rehearsals, make sure musicians have music in advance before rehearsals, recorded with various artists, toured with the likes of Yolanda Adams, Rizen, Joe Slaughter and Kirk Whalum. All eyes are on them when the service begins. One thing Bishop dislikes is dead silence.
We have a praise and worship leader who is a fulltime recording artists: Benita Washington (just released her second album). She leads praise & worship at any service or program, assist in directing choir rehearsals, oversees praise teams at each location, leads the congregation in the Sunday Morning hymn selection.
We have an organist that plays, but was specifically hired to back bishop while he preaches. He is fortunate to travel with him everywhere he preaches. He is fulltime, recording artist and he is responsible for laying the down the B3 for any songs we play. So he attends all rehearsals also.
The remaining musicians are paid biweekly. I make $14,000 per year parttime. But I have a fulltime job and will have my Masters in Public Administration by July 2007. I am expected to be at all rehearsals, services and programs. Me and the other drummers split the additional services and programs. Of course as the ministry grew and the church's financial responsibilities had to be met, pay was reconstructed. So everybody does not receive the same pay. But the point of all I have typed is our pay is based on our musical experience and contribution to the music ministry. I don't expect to receive what my minister of music or MD receives. I make my living another way. So I understand their salaries are based on musical experience and meeting their personal needs for their families and themselves because they are fulltime.
I would simply say, trust God, know your musical instrument inside and out. Understand you are not there to showoff your musical chops. Be prepared at every rehearsal and service. The money will follow. ALSO understand your church's financial obligations. Don't expect a large salary and the ministry is in the early stages or they simply do not have the money to meet your financial needs.
You are there to touch someone's life through your musical instrument. I could not believe it, but I have had two people on totally separate occasions tell me I touched them spiritually from the drums. Wow, that blew me away. But it is aligned with the scripture I recite before I play: Psalm 150.
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Matthew Chapter 6
19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
28"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin.
29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these.
30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'
32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
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FerrariRed..Amen,Amen, and some mo' Amen...Ferrari did the right thing, humbled himself and asked for nothing and now $14,000 part-time!!!!
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i believe that all musicians should get paid. I feel as if that is a way the church can show their gratitude of how much they appreciate you for rendering your services...But i remember when i started my first real church gig and it was cool i was loving it....they were faithfully paying $175/wk...but little did i know at the end of the year that i would get something called a 1099 tax form and had to pay all of the taxes they didnt take out on me....IT WAS HORRIBLE....really really HORRIBLE!!!!!
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I can see having a job and playing for the church for money, but SOULY playing the drums is not right to me! :( :)
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I can see having a job and playing for the church for money, but SOULY playing the drums is not right to me! :( :)
i second that....
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A church offered me $250 per Sunday but I turned it down.... This was a Mega church but I just couldn't take the job for money because I felt like since I didn't have a Job, I was taking money from their ministry... Also, I wanted to be faithful to my home church.... :-\...Dont get me wrong the money was great but again, I couldnt go through with it!!
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I can see having a job and playing for the church for money, but SOULY playing the drums is not right to me! :( :)
Am I the only one reading this wrong?
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musicaljeanyuss raises an interesting point.
The church should be withholding federal, social security and Medicare tax from your pay. You are employees and not contractors or subcontractors. Unless your church has filed a form 8274 electing not to withhold social security tax, they are supposed to withhold tax. They do not want to withhold tax because the church has to pay a portion of your social security tax which can be costly to a small or large church depending on the number of employees. So to avoid this liability, the church either pays you “under the table” which is what a lot of churches do, or they pay you like musicaljeanyuss is paid, withhold no tax and issue you a 1099 at the end of the year.
Most of you guys and gals are young and not familiar with the tax laws, so you end up making this money, kicking it, then receiving this 1099 at the end of the year and when you file your return, you have a large tax liability because you have not paid any taxes.
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These publications are free to review online or download. Check out the following:
IRS Publication 15, pg.7, “Who are employees”
IRS Publication 517 (Clergy and members of religious organizations), pgs. 1 – 4, specifically pg. 4 paragraph 3
Form SS-8, Complete this and mail it in and the IRS will determine if you are an employee.
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I can see having a job and playing for the church for money, but SOULY playing the drums is not right to me! :( :)
I THINK HE MEANS "BUT SOULY PLAYING THE DRUMS FOR MONEY IS NOT RIGHT TO ME!"
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And, it's solely - not souly. ;D
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I put it In capitals on purpose.....lol.... I was spelling be champ 4 years running son!!...lol..... I know I spelled it wrong though... I surprised EC didnt beat you to the punch with the grammar correcting though..lol.. ;D :D
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I put it In capitals on purpose.....lol.... I was spelling be champ 4 years running son!!...lol..... I know I spelled it wrong though... I surprised EC didnt beat you to the punch with the grammar correcting though..lol.. ;D :D
Don't you mean Spelling Bee? :D :D :D
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Don't you mean Spelling Bee? :D :D :D
LMBO!!!! ;D :D :D :D ;D
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So I WASN'T the only one who read that differently. ;)
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This is coming from a organist/keyboardist/drummer/bassist i believe that all of Everyone should get the same pay(depending on skill level) for example
A bass player adds more drive.
A drummer adds exicitement.
A organist/keyboardist bring flavor.
Me myself i take a drummer with me when i have gig and we get the same pay cause there is nothing without a drummer.
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Who cares how much you get paid? As long as the church isn't taking advantage of you and they're giving you what they can. I don't think that money is ALL what matters. Sometimes we are too concerned about money and we forget about our reward in heaven. Don't get me wrong, I DON'T think we should play for free but at the same time I don't think that money is always the only reward we receive.
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Im done with yall man!....lol.... ;D :D...No matter how much I try to get yall, I always make a mistake and leave room for one of to get me back... ;D :D :)
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Who cares how much you get paid? As long as the church isn't taking advantage of you and they're giving you what they can. I don't think that money is ALL what matters. Sometimes we are too concerned about money and we forget about our reward in heaven. Don't get me wrong, I DON'T think we should play for free but at the same time I don't think that money is always the only reward we receive.
my thoughts exactly
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its all according to what the church wants!! but you can make $100 to $500
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Ok now a church could easily be taking advantage of you an you not even notice it cause you are content with 100 dollars a week while they dont consider you a musician and the organist gets 1000 dollars a sunday thats fully being taken advantage an how do you handle that situation Without sounding greedy or cocky?
I haven't seen any one fully do that .
I read earlier in this post where the person put the scripture "seek ye first the kingdom of god an all other things will be added unto you " an I think that is so true an yes you got to keep your mind stayed on Jesus to prosper and receive blessings but whatever maybe your blessing you may be missing ....
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Ok now a church could easily be taking advantage of you an you not even notice it cause you are content with 100 dollars a week while they dont consider you a musician and the organist gets 1000 dollars a sunday thats fully being taken advantage an how do you handle that situation Without sounding greedy or cocky?
I haven't seen any one fully do that .
I read earlier in this post where the person put the scripture "seek ye first the kingdom of god an all other things will be added unto you " an I think that is so true an yes you got to keep your mind stayed on Jesus to prosper and receive blessings but whatever maybe your blessing you may be missing ....
Its not your business whether you're being taken advantage of. If you are - you're a sucker in the first place.
My point? If you focus too strongly on the money side of things, when do you play for God?
At the end of the day, drummers need to serve God's purpose for them. As soon as you "focus" on the money the game has changed. Playing for God & receiving monetary blessings is fine... Once you start to question or want more of that "monetary blessing" that plot has changed.
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As a lot of others have stated playing soley for money is a dangerous place to be in. When you play just for money you open yourself up to be very callous and cold-hearted toward the church, because, truth be told, a lot of churches aren't good stewards over finance, especially when it comes to paying people and these money players see that and become discouraged. Trust me, I know a few musicians like this. They play in the church and only in the church and, with them, it's all about the money. These cats are so far away from God that it's ridiculous. One time this one cat showed up at a Cogic convention completely smacked (high) out of his mind and played for the check. Never play for just the money. You can become callous toward the church and eventually toward God.
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Its not your business whether you're being taken advantage of. If you are - you're a sucker in the first place.
My point? If you focus too strongly on the money side of things, when do you play for God?
At the end of the day, drummers need to serve God's purpose for them. As soon as you "focus" on the money the game has changed. Playing for God & receiving monetary blessings is fine... Once you start to question or want more of that "monetary blessing" that plot has changed.
I couldn't have said that any better.
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Its not your business whether you're being taken advantage of. If you are - you're a sucker in the first place.
My point? If you focus too strongly on the money side of things, when do you play for God?
At the end of the day, drummers need to serve God's purpose for them. As soon as you "focus" on the money the game has changed. Playing for God & receiving monetary blessings is fine... Once you start to question or want more of that "monetary blessing" that plot has changed.
As a lot of others have stated playing soley for money is a dangerous place to be in. When you play just for money you open yourself up to be very callous and cold-hearted toward the church, because, truth be told, a lot of churches aren't good stewards over finance, especially when it comes to paying people and these money players see that and become discouraged. Trust me, I know a few musicians like this. They play in the church and only in the church and, with them, it's all about the money. These cats are so far away from God that it's ridiculous. One time this one cat showed up at a Cogic convention completely smacked (high) out of his mind and played for the check. Never play for just the money. You can become callous toward the church and eventually toward God.
....yall dudes are in to something. That's real talk right there. You know who's accountable for all of that? The Pastor. ;)
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Has anyone bothered to ask their Pastor why their keyboardist is paid more then them?
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Has anyone bothered to ask their Pastor why their keyboardist is paid more then them?
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well in all situations the keyboardists/ organists is always gonna get more than the drummer in all situations. Don't be money hungry cause that will get you no where but playing drums in ya house, cause church's don't like money hungry musicians, doesn't matter which instrument you play. See, i live in houston so, most of the coldest cats in the city church hop cause they money hungry.
If the the Church was taking care of them right there would be no reason to Church hop to make a living!
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i dont think that it matter of which instrument is more important moreso than it is the responsibilities required of an organist. i would say 60%-70% are required when hire to teach choir/praise team parts. whens the last time you heard of a preacher travelling with just his drummer and no organist intentionally.
and lets clarify something i take no engagements without a good drummer and if one wont be provided i pay out of my pocket to bring one just ask cedric easton or nate parker 2 of columbus, ohio's better drummers.
but i also say if im playing during service(talk music, start of backing up the preacher) when the drummer is not why should i take same or lesser pay and this is based off the previous arguments as to why a drummer should be paid the same or better.
its football season the cowboys-giants game is coming on so ill leave this with yall QB's are usually the highest paid football player on thier team but they wouldnt be stars with thier lesser paid offensive line protecting them.
Im a drummer and M.D. and do all the same things you do, why should you be paid more just because you are behind a set of keys!
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A church offered me $250 per Sunday but I turned it down.... This was a Mega church but I just couldn't take the job for money because I felt like since I didn't have a Job, I was taking money from their ministry... Also, I wanted to be faithful to my home church.... :-\...Dont get me wrong the money was great but again, I could go through with it!!
GUY! ARE YOU STUPID! That was a blessing! especially when you don't have a job!
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Lets be real! Christianity has a business aspect to it no matter how many words you can speak in your heavenly language! Payment should depend on your position! If you are the M.D. or M.o.M. doing all the behind the scenes work then yes you should be paid more NO MATTER THE INSTRUMENT! And if you are an assistant you should be paid more but not as much as the director (no matter the instrument).
Should you be paid more just because you play the keys HECK NO! That's like paying a white man more money to do the same job just because he's white!