...music can be universal...but certain bass lines are associated with specific thoughts which are not condusive to worship!....For example...playing the bassline to Brickhouse by the commodores might not be prudent....playing the bassline to "money money" by the OJays at collection time might be funny!...A person has to think before they play....oh...I am in a church service and what I play may hinder another persons spiritual experience....
...music can be universal...but certain bass lines are associated with specific thoughts which are not condusive to worship!....For example...playing the bassline to Brickhouse by the commodores might not be prudent....playing the bassline to "money money" by the OJays at collection time might be funny!...A person has to think before they play....oh...I am in a church service and what I play may hinder another persons spiritual experience....well said......kurt franklin does it all the time. He would even take the whole song and change a few words keeping the same music and everybody's singing it in church. "OOOH oooH. oooh oooH oooh!"
Just to add to what was all ready said. It's good to learn different styles of music to be well rounded as a musician but, you have to be careful about what you play and when you play it. Everything that we do has spiritual ramifications (we wrestle not against flesh and blood, ....but principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places).
Music for most people is associated with certain experiences so, playing a secular bassline may take somebody back to time in their lives that they are still struggling to recover from. To make it more plain: It may take somebody's mind to a sexual experience or a depressing event in their lives....etc. That individual may leave church feeling worst than when they came and not even know why. And while to you it may be a tight groove to throw in, to somebody else it's a diversion from what they came to church for.
So, as ministers through music, we have to always be mindful of the fact that we are ministers first and musicians second.
+1
Some stuff you just need to leave out in the world, no matter how good is might sound.
My next question: How do ya'll feel about some of our favorite bass players (Andrew Gouche) playing in churches around the country and still playing and touring with secular artists?I personally don't have a problem with it.
My next question: How do ya'll feel about some of our favorite bass players (Andrew Gouche) playing in churches around the country and still playing and touring with secular artists?
+1
Some stuff you just need to leave out in the world, no matter how good is might sound.
Listen fam...ultimately, its your call...now I also listen to everything...I love music....from Hamilton....to Maroon 5....but God is the creator of all things....and that bass line that you hear on Anthony Hamilton's album...just as an example, God created that...Now its true somethings need to be left in the world....but good music...is good music...if its wrong....God will convict you....
thats just my opinion....
Not to get off topic or anything, but Maroon 5 is off da chain wit they music.
I couldn't justify in myself, how I could play in a smokey bar, "Song Title #1: about Fornication, Sex, or whatever" and setting the mood, for some folks to go home and commit sin, on a Saturday Night. Then wake up early sunday morning, and play "Song Title #2: about living a life pleasing unto God"
No more than I can justify, speaking at a Planned Parenthood, on the topic, of premarital Sex is natural, and healthy if you use protection, on a Saturday evening, and then waking up early sunday morning, and Preach a Sermon about holiness.
With that said, I think some of the secular/worship musicians; would be so much more than "Gifted", if they took the Levitical mindset of what their purpose is as a musician. They would move to a realm where they can play, and demons would tremble, deliverance would surely come, when they played. My 2 Cents.
I also wanted to point out, that "God is not the creator of all things, in a literal sense." To say God created the bassline is to also say, he created the lyrics, and we know that many lyrics oppose the will of God
Ok, so where does an Andrew Gouche (and many others) fit in in this scheme? My analogy was directed at the more professional musician and not the weekend warrior, bar band type of musician.
My dear friends in Christ,Well said. I'd like to hear more thoughts by the more convicted LGM members.
They must do what they feel is right for them. It is impossible for me to speak on their relationship with God. I can only tell you about why I don’t and won’t play secular music. I know that I can’t compromise regardless if it is in a club or recording a bass line for a secular artist. (let not your goods be evil spoke of).
Now, if the question is am I saying that they are going to hell for playing secular music?
Well that is not my place but if the question is do I think that it will hinder a persons witness and their anointing then the answer is yes. IMHO
I also wanted to point out, that "God is not the creator of all things, in a literal sense." To say God created the bassline is to also say, he created the lyrics, and we know that many lyrics oppose the will of God.
I look at it the same as folks who work regular jobs away from church!
Well, regarding an Andrew Gouche and a few others that were mentioned............why are they still being held in such high esteem if they are not following the convictions some of you have expounded on? And regarding the workplace........does one REALLY know what co-workers lifestyles are? Lastly, how does one minister if they separate themselves from those who need ministering
Now for the job place and the co-workers well I will tell you that I work with the public in government and I am around all types many who have very questionable lives.So then, why should being a professional musician (musician as a profession) be any different?
However, I don’t allow their actions to make me act like them.
DWBass,I respectfully disagree but that's a whole 'nuther thread!
I think there is a fundamental difference between being in a public workplace, and participating is an action that is questionable, as a musician you are a part of the activity, (IF it is questionable) not just a casual observer. We as Christians a called to be lights in the workplace. Its hard to be a light when your partaking in the same activity as another.
My next question: How do ya'll feel about some of our favorite bass players (Andrew Gouche) playing in churches around the country and still playing and touring with secular artists?
T-Block, I see what you are saying, but theologically speaking. Your point,
1.) Negates the fact that God gave man dominion, and mankind has the ability to invent things utilizing God's creation.
Did God create guns? or Items found at the Adult Novelty store? or like mentioned before, the Abortion process?
2.) Saying Satan perverts everything God creates is also a non-truth. a.) See point 1, b.) I wish all sin was so cut and dry... We sin because the "Devil made me do it", When we know, we can be tempted, but ultimately, our flesh, is extremely hostile towards God, because of the sinners nature, deeply rooted in man-kind. But thank God for Christ and the Cross, that gives us power over the flesh.
Those 2 words right there proved my point. God created everything. Anything else?
God didn't directly create those things, but he created the materials used to make those things.
It's satan working through man that perverts the things God created. So, to cut out the middle man, satan perverts everything God creates. Anything else?
This thing is up to the individual and there is no universal "yes" or "no" answer for this. So, you do what u feel is right and i'll do the same.
I got nothing against you or anybody else who believes different from me. If i offended anyone, I apologize, but i'm sticking to my guns. ;D
I respectfully disagree but that's a whole 'nuther thread!
The last point, the last time I checked Man had a free will, and this universes focal point is man-kind, if we could merely cut out the middle man, and blame satan, why would christ have to die (no need to answer, that too is rhetorical)
I have nothing but respect for you T-Block, not based on your opinion, but for your decision to live for Christ, and like you stated, It is not a matter of offending, or trust me I wouldn't have posted. I too will keep my guns, cocked, unless I feel led to stand-down.
We will agree to disagree on point 3 (even though I'm right... j/k) as I see it 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
No need to apologize no love lost br'er. Just chattin'
But, only the saved man has the power to resist the devil and his tricks.
2 out of 3 huh? That's more than we usually agree. ;D
I will have to respectfully disagree. I know a few unsaved brothas that refuse to fall to the temptation of drugs and alcohol.
A saved man can fall just like a unsaved man. And an unsaved man can resist just like a saved man. The end of it all falls into who has that personally relationship with God.
O.K., let me explain. A saved man has the power to resist something they "loved" to do that is wrong. If you were used to having sex and u not married, when u get saved, that desire may still be there, but now u have power to resist it.T-Block I see exactly what you're saying and I agree with 90% of it, it's just that I don't believe that someone that is unsaved can't overcome a drug addiction. I mean how many times have we seen these ex-crack heads that are unsaved that appear on Oprah, or the Montell Williams show.
That's what i'm talking about.
T-Block I see exactly what you're saying and I agree with 90% of it, it's just that I don't believe that someone that is unsaved can't overcome a drug addiction. I mean how many times have we seen these ex-crack heads that are unsaved that appear on Oprah, or the Montell Williams show.
Not saying that an unsaved person can't overcome things... but they don't have that same power as someone with the Holy Ghost within to overcome things.
Not saying that an unsaved person can't overcome things... but they don't have that same power as someone with the Holy Ghost within to overcome things.
Back on the other track of this topic, what are peoples' feelings about secular music that have a more neutral standpoint, like ones without lyrics or ones that don't promote either way. In my classical and jazz gigs, I meet a lot of people (usually rhythm section players, go figure) who are very Christian. I'm in a country band at the moment to help me out financially (never thought I'd be there), and they all talk about God. The singer was actually gospel musician.
Just wondering what thoughts are on this.
Nick
I think that the problem lies when there's a message that goes against god. I.E 99% of rap (don't get mad at me, blame the rappers who ryme nothing but utter garbage) and i'd say about 60% of todays r&B.+1
I think that the problem lies when there's a message that goes against god. I.E 99% of rap (don't get mad at me, blame the rappers who ryme nothing but utter garbage) and i'd say about 60% of todays r&B.
I think that the problem lies when there's a message that goes against god. I.E 99% of rap (don't get mad at me, blame the rappers who ryme nothing but utter garbage) and i'd say about 60% of todays r&B.
You can get some bad vibes (not talking emotional evocations of times being happy or sad) from instrumental music.
Put it this way, many people in the church have a big problem with secular/wordly artists taking our old school church songs' rhytms/ melodies/ tunes and adding whatever they want to it. would it be right for us to bring melodies, tunes etc from secular music into the church, being aware of the lyrics and lifestyles of the artists? It's a tricky one.
What do you guys think?
OK, here's something else to consider. Kirk Franklin has made a career of taking secular music and making it religious. Is that OK?
First of all, your statement is completely untrue. His whole career is not based on taking secular music and making it religious. We just put more focus on his songs that do that, but that don't define his career. He has a career based on his gift for music, period.You're right, of course. Add to that the fact that what most artists release as singles or put on albums are more a reflection of the record company that the artists' own wishes, but that's another thread for another day.
O.K., so your real question is: Is it o.k. to have a career of taking secular music and making it religious?That would hard to do unless your pockets were really deep (i.e. paying out a ton of royalty fees)! In addition, I don't think it's any artist's intention to make a career of using music from secular songs! Or just using other folks works to use as your own! I do believe the intent is to draw folks in who don't normally listen to gospel music by giving them something familiar! I also believe it's intention is get the music played on regular radio so it can reach more folks because honestly, what's the % of people listening to gospel radio as opposed to secular radio? But that's a whole 'nuther thread!
I need to know what others think: I listen to all types of music from gospel, r&b, rap, country, soft rock and rock...not for the words but for what the bass player is doing. I try to learn as much as possible so I can incorporate what I hear into my playing. Now if I hear a bass line that I like (from a secular musician) I'll put that into some of the gospel songs that I play at church. Do you guys do that or am I wrong for doing such...just curious.But back to the original poster's question........................
O.K., so your real question is: Is it o.k. to have a career of taking secular music and making it religious?Not exactly. Just sampling whether or not there's any opposition to doing that.
That would hard to do unless your pockets were really deep (i.e. paying out a ton of royalty fees)! In addition, I don't think it's any artist's intention to make a career of using music from secular songs! Or just using other folks works to use as your own! I do believe the intent is to draw folks in who don't normally listen to gospel music by giving them something familiar! I also believe it's intention is get the music played on regular radio so it can reach more folks because honestly, what's the % of people listening to gospel radio as opposed to secular radio? But that's a whole 'nuther thread!+1. I suppose that there's no right or wrong answers to this or any of the corollary questions raised in this thread. I do appreciate the spectrum of viewpoints. The more we discuss the more we learn. Good commentary from everyone!
I vote yes music is music....I know half of ya'll gonna stop speaking to me...But allow me to explain....I will play "secular music"...I already do....But...I won't play just any ol' thang...feel me...Nothing explicit...nothing real sexual....But songs that speak of Family, Love, Unity...and making it from the bottom to the top...such as cats like Anthony Hamilton, Donnie...I don't see a problem....So I guess My vote is Yes....But music is not always music....can ya'll dig it? ;)...We still cool...or should this be my last post on this site.... :D
I voted "who cares" because it is a personal choice, not universal for everybody. Don't worry about what other folks is doing, sweep around your own front door.
To politefully disagree, I don't think you could any further then the truth then you are right now. This is the exact thing that the enemy wants us to think "if i know God nothing can affect me".
There are some Christian musicians who can't listen to other forms of music cause they may be influenced. That just means their young in their walk with Christ. If that is the case; then don't listen to things that may influence you. But I think there are musical applications that we can learn from different types of music and that can be implied in our techniques without diluting our praise or worship experience.
Just a minute; Christians creating Love music ? Now why does that sound like an Oxymoron ? Are we talking Agape Love or Eros Love ? Coz I have a hard time picturing Eros Love songs done by christians. Check this out; The song "Amazing Love" by Graham Kendrick, is a fine example of an Agape Love song. It goes like thisAmazing Love, Oh what sacrifice
The son of God, given for me
My debt he paid and my death he died
That I might Live X2
Now, here's is a simple Eros Love song I just created (for the purpose of this discussion). I am assuming that this is written by a true christian, perhaps to his wife, and released publicly into mainstream along with secular RnB.Evertime I close my eyes I see your face
Your lovely beautiful smiling face
The flowers in the garden call your name
And the trees in the field clap their hands
The mountains can't help but lend their voice
And the winds join in and sing of your beauty
Heaven is here; heaven is finally here,
In your loving arms, past your warm embrace
Heaven
Now, tell me what you think of that. Truth is, i'm a budding songwriter and I once had an idea to write a love song, for the christian folk but I felt that it would be inappropriate. I look forward to getting married and writing my wife all the love songs on earth, coz that will be my wife and it will be right before God and I would feel Zero shame or guilt. However, releasing it to the public....now that's something else.
There's a big difference between a lyrics that talk about love and lryics that talk about "I'll shoot yo' moms in the face n!gg@/ then I'll go on da' corner and sell some snow"
A VERY big difference.
I don't think that there's anything wrong with "secular music", but when the message is promoting something that is against God's way then we have a problem.
I used the worst case scenario above, but I hope it gets my point across.
Just because you're not "focused" on the lyrics doesn't mean that your subconscious isn't picking them up. You might not feel the affects all at once, but be sure that it's getting picked up. Have you ever wondered why people know commercial songs by heart and never sat down and studied them? same thing applies.
For those who opposed secular music "all together," would you and your spouse listen to love songs? This is meant for those who are married and partake in marital activities. ;D (I hope I don't cross any boundaries with this, if so, remove this immediately!!!.
3 months to my wedding and you best believe i've started my love song playlist already....hahaha.
these next 3 months will go by very fast. ;D ;D
3 months to my wedding and you best believe i've started my love song playlist already....hahaha.
Okay yall, please don’t be offended but:
The same R Kelly the accused pedophile.
The same R Kelly that sings that nasty perverted song trapped in the closet.
My personal belief is bitter and sweet can not come out of the same fountain and can’t nothing good come out of listening to R. Kelly.
I could care less what kind of life R. Kelly lives. All I know is he make some good "set-the mood, let's get it on, baby-making, music", and that's all I care about on my honeymoon, the music. Stay focused.
R. Kelly will be in heavy rotation on my honeymoon.I ain't touchin' this one! :)
I ain't touchin' this one! :)
Stay FocusedMy bad :) ROFLMBO: I am still not with R. Kelly though, even for that!
Yeah ummm, Ion know bout Mr Kelly. I actually dont like alot of lyrics to be honest, so I rock alot of instrumentals. And I dont see nothing wrong with some "Eros" love songs by Christians. Im actually working on that now. To me its just like gospel rap, reggae, rock, etc. It gives you another genre that you dont have to go to secular music for.
I ain't touchin' this one! :)
Hey, even us liberal cats have boundaries! LOL! :)
DWBass you’re not right at all :D
How bout not baby-making music, but "Half on a baby" ROFLMBO..hahahahaha Man I'm cracking up right now for real
I could care less what kind of life R. Kelly lives. All I know is he make some good "set-the mood, let's get it on, baby-making, music", and that's all I care about on my honeymoon, the music. Stay focused.
Yall can play with it if you want, but my fiance love R. Kelly music, so that's what I'm gonna play. Ya feel me? If she happy, then I know I'm gonna be happy. ;D
TMI! TMI! :)
How about some smooth jazz instead??! There's gotta be something better than R Kelly!
You can't go wrong with Ol' school. Now that was some real music. "Turn off the lights, and light a candle..." Let me stop before I get myself in trouble. ;D ;D
sounds like you all ol school cats! ;D lol
TMI! TMI! :)
How about some smooth jazz instead??! There's gotta be something better than R Kelly!
"There's a meeting in my bedroom....", yall know that song gets em everytime. ;D
You want something better than R. Kelly? Try Silk, now they gone be in heavy rotation as well.Well I'm a generation before you, it seems! I was thinking some Frankie Beverly & Maze, Teena Marie, Teddy, Jeffrey Osborne, Anita Baker, Sade, etc, etc.........
"There's a meeting in my bedroom....", yall know that song gets em everytime. ;D
TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!! especially when the hit the High pitched "bedroom" ;D ;D ;D
Well I'm a generation before you, it seems! I was thinking some Frankie Beverly & Maze, Teena Marie, Teddy, Jeffrey Osborne, Anita Baker, Sade, etc, etc.........
I may be a lil' younger than you, but I have a brother who is 41 and a father & mother 57 and 55....so I'm with all those suggestions you made.....Thats just real music....If we need to...I can go back a lil' further. ;) Sam Cooke....Major Harris...The Impressions....No we're talking the same language!
Now we're talking the same language!Should have been 'Now We're Talking The Same Language'.
Should have been 'Now We're Talking The Same Language'.
Thats why I respect and love Mint Condition and say, Tone Toni Tony. New school but still bands that do they OWN music and lay it down.
I agree bruh...Mint Condition was FIRE!!!! Most under rated band ever.....But those who know....KNOW. ;)
Stokley's vocals still rock it.Man, I wish I had his vocal range! Dude needs to sing more though. A solo project (or 2) would be nice! Ain't it a shame when your vocals outshine your musical talent?! He's a master class drummer (i.e. Phil Collins)!
He's a master class drummer (i.e. Phil Collins)!
Really? Now that's something I didn't know!
R. Kelly will be in heavy rotation on my honeymoon.
You want something better than R. Kelly? Try Silk, now they gone be in heavy rotation as well.T-Block what you know about that. Also try some 112 their pretty good to.
"There's a meeting in my bedroom....", yall know that song gets em everytime. ;D
It was and still is on mine.
T-Block what you know about that. Also try some 112 their pretty good to.
He's off da chain.
TMI! TMI! :)+1. There's plenty of original stuff from Norman Brown, Gerald Albright, Art Porter, Wayman Tisdale (how could I leave HIM out on a forum for bassists?), Fourplay, etc. In addition, these guys play covers that will give you the same feeling without potentially offensive lyrical content.
How about some smooth jazz instead??! There's gotta be something better than R Kelly!
With only 31 votes...... It is difficult to get a consensus or LGM majority rule.
Lets keep voting!
There are soooo many types of secular music available to us that we can each pick or own portfolio of what's okay and what's offensive. Just like we can all make our own decisions about what's acceptable in everything from t-shirts to bathing suits, we all have differing ideas of what music is okay to play and what is just downright scandalous. I won't hate you for not wanting to play ANY secular music, but don't you hate me when I'm out with my cover band playing "Strawberry Letter 23" or "Serpentine Fire".
With only 31 votes...... It is difficult to get a consensus or LGM majority rule.
Lets keep voting!
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Ay man wat up. This question was on my mined for a while. so i took it to ma pastor he descused with me that a person should be able to tell the diffrence between a saint and a siner by the way they act. why would you want to test the fact and do as the world. but im not knocking your still at all but u just have to draw a line somewere. but i also want to remind you that songs carry spirits. and when you play certain thing in church, such as the baselines you were talking about they might not have the anointing in it.but it is a touchy subject. ;D
Hey Y'all,
I just have to say that you have to be careful.
There's a whole lot that music can do to you spiritually and you'll never know or understand why. The reason that you need to be careful is because the devil is the most subtle being there is. Why, when he came to tempt Jesus he even used scripture. Also, I'm sure some of you know, lucifer was the chief of praise and worship to God before he fell. So, with him being so sneaky and us working in an arena (music) that he has FULL KNOWLEDGE of, we need to be extremely careful.
What you may think of as a nice lick may be something that satan planted in someone elses spirit to keep them in bondage - and then, unknowingly, you become an agent of satan.
Stay on your knees and pray and go where the Holy Ghost takes you during praise and worship. Remember, praise and worship is all about God and we're just a conduit for God to use to help other praise Him!
So, in essence, my vote is to stay away from secular music, you don't know what spirits has been attached to it. Stay connected to God, and He'll use you to build you up to be more than what any secular artist can do. And, lastly, there are many Christian artist out there that you can use to help build your repertoire.
Peace and God's Love,
YBIC - Smitty
Hey Y'all,
I just have to say that you have to be careful.
There's a whole lot that music can do to you spiritually and you'll never know or understand why. The reason that you need to be careful is because the devil is the most subtle being there is. Why, when he came to tempt Jesus he even used scripture. Also, I'm sure some of you know, lucifer was the chief of praise and worship to God before he fell. So, with him being so sneaky and us working in an arena (music) that he has FULL KNOWLEDGE of, we need to be extremely careful.
What you may think of as a nice lick may be something that satan planted in someone elses spirit to keep them in bondage - and then, unknowingly, you become an agent of satan.
Stay on your knees and pray and go where the Holy Ghost takes you during praise and worship. Remember, praise and worship is all about God and we're just a conduit for God to use to help other praise Him!
So, in essence, my vote is to stay away from secular music, you don't know what spirits has been attached to it. Stay connected to God, and He'll use you to build you up to be more than what any secular artist can do. And, lastly, there are many Christian artist out there that you can use to help build your repertoire.
Peace and God's Love,
YBIC - Smitty
On one hand I understand what you are saying, but on the other hand I have to say that I choose to err on the side of hope for all things good than the fear of all things evil. I trust my own judgement to steer me towards the positive (whether it is religious or secular) and away from the negative (whether it is religious or secular).
If we could truly believe that all things of "the church" are good and directed by God and all things of "the world" are evil and directed by Satan, decisions would be easy. But when we define things along such rigid lines, we deprive ourselves of much that is good in "the world" (like certain pieces of art, literature and SECULAR music). And we open ourselves up to accept things in "the church" that are not good (the lifting up of SOME as false idols).
My advise? Live.---> Experience---> Learn---> Teach---> Lead. Do that within the church and within your everyday life.
Peace,
James
After reading 99% of the responses, I can say this. There's no true reason to not listen to secular music at all. That's just silly. "Reach out and touch somebody's hand. Make this world a better place, if you can." Not exactly Gospel, but it promotes a positive message of hope, relationship, caring and love. Isn't THAT what God is about...relationship?
"I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way" I mean, I could go on and on about the various SECULAR songs that promote a positive message. Folks shouldn't listen to that?
Married folks should consummate their union to 'This is the day'? You CAN'T be serious! :-\
I'm reminded of being too heavenly bound and being no earthly good. ::) :-\
After reading 99% of the responses, I can say this. There's no true reason to not listen to secular music at all. That's just silly. "Reach out and touch somebody's hand. Make this world a better place, if you can." Not exactly Gospel, but it promotes a positive message of hope, relationship, caring and love. Isn't THAT what God is about...relationship?
"I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way" I mean, I could go on and on about the various SECULAR songs that promote a positive message. Folks shouldn't listen to that?
Married folks should consummate their union to 'This is the day'? You CAN'T be serious! :-\
I'm reminded of being too heavenly bound and being no earthly good. ::) :-\
Whew! For a minute there, I thought I was in the minority! Music is a very powerful language and if positive intentions are used, it will be conveyed as such to others!+1. God created everything, and everything He created can be used to gloirfy Him. Unfortunately, everything He created can also be used to promote evil.
Okay, just for argument sake:
Is the greatest love of all loving yourself or God?
“The greatest love of all Is easy to achieve Learning to love yourself It is the greatest love of all”
Okay, just for argument sake:I'm paraphrasing here, but Jesus said that we should love the Lord our God will all our heart and soul, and then we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Is the greatest love of all loving yourself or God?
“The greatest love of all Is easy to achieve Learning to love yourself It is the greatest love of all”
the problem is that some people group secular (meaning not gospel) as one big group being of Satan or something like that. we need to stop generalizing everything to the extreme. if thats the case then we shouldnt even be playing bass guitar at all because the instrument was introduced as something to be used in secular music.
With people sayin we shouldn't play secular music in church you are really saying that we shouldn't play music at all because 99% of the songs you hear have secular music in them. John P. Kee is noted for being the first to put R&B in gospel music. In the song Rain on Us, Tony Russell has a bass solo that comes from a secular song. On tye tribbett's victory, the song starts out with horns playing. If I'm not mistaken that horn section(the music) was taken from Kid and Play, another secular group. I could go on and on, but the point is music comes from God even if you choose not to use it to glorify him. But with us being the warriors for Christ that we are we must take music and us it for what it was intended to be used for.
And to add on , even shouting music is came from secular music in the 1930's... it's a popular dance when they throw women around everywhere. Just look at the movie Lion King. LOL everything is connected to each other "the circle of life" ;D