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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: j_kay on December 22, 2007, 06:03:32 AM
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Self explanatory topic - I just wanted to let you all know what's the 'haps' on what is to come.
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bogus
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Craziness, right? (new) Cymbals will be like homes in California - too expensive and some will be "priced out".
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Craziness, right? (new) Cymbals will be like homes in California - too expensive and some will be "priced out".
You right about that. Zildjian are already somewhat over priced just like these houses out here in California. You all should really think about going with these custom boutique cymbal companies and get off the name brand trip. It's way more cost effective. The wait can be a negetive, but I feel it's worth it.
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You all should really think about going with these custom boutique cymbal companies and get off the name brand trip. It's way more cost effective. The wait can be a negative, but I feel it's worth it.
Nice segue - please post some links of the various "boutique" cymbal companies.
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Nice segue - please post some links of the various "boutique" cymbal companies.
When I get off of work later on today I'll post some info. Of course I'm gonna send you to my man in Florida where I get my pies from. That's a perfect fit for you... You already know who that is ;)
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Man, Im done with Zildjian if this happens!.. This is Just like Jordan is Doing to consumers now, he is jacking up the prices of all his Retro Kicks about 10% Everytime the get Re-Released. Jordan's Quality of late has been AWFUL. Zildjian is the Leading Cymbal Brand, so why take already expensive cymbals and make the even more expensive. I could see maybe a little increase if Zildjian cymbals were more Consistent as far a sound goes.. But THEIR NOT! >:( Yeah BEATBOXERS, Can you send me some links for the "Other" Companies ;)
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Man, Im done with Zildjian if this happens!
It's not a matter of "if"; it will happen. Just sit back and watch.
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Man, Im done with Zildjian if this happens!.. This is Just like Jordan is Doing to consumers now, he is jacking up the prices of all his Retro Kicks about 10% Everytime the get Re-Released. Jordan's Quality of late has been AWFUL. Zildjian is the Leading Cymbal Brand, so why take already expensive cymbals and make the even more expensive. I could see maybe a little increase if Zildjian cymbals were more Consistent as far a sound goes.. But THEIR NOT! >:( Yeah BEATBOXERS, Can you send me some links for the "Other" Companies ;)
Easy solution: Don't buy them (Retro Jordans or the increased priced Zildjians). You do have a choice. ;D
...and, that's the only serious choice (pun on Zildjian's slogan).
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Easy solution: Don't buy them (Retro Jordans or the increased priced Zildjians). You do have a choice. ;D
...and, that's the only serious choice (pun on Zildjian's slogan).
Yeah, I guess I wont but they are a must in the collection :'(.. Man Zildjian is about to be leading the race as "The Bentley of Cymbals"
:D ;)
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Zildjian is hardly "The Bentley of cymbals" - Paiste already has that distinction (if you're referring to the "common") brands waaaay before the announcement of the percentage increase.
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Note the deletion of the word "brands" to remove the error in my statement:
Zildjian is hardly "The Bentley of cymbals" - Paiste already has that distinction (if you're referring to the "common") waaaay before the announcement of the percentage increase.
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Im talking about as far as the price aspect! Zildjian has to step up Period! ... >:( ;) :)
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(c) 2007 www.SaludaCymbals.com - All Rights Reserved
heres a start
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Im talking about as far as the price aspect! Zildjian has to step up Period! ... >:( ;) :)
Another angle to my statement (so that we're on the same page, cuz I was on your page) Bentley=high price; Paiste="Bentley of cymbals". The pricing for Zildjian is nowhere close to the price of Paiste (Signature, New Signature, Traditional, RUDE, etc.). What does Zildjian need to step up with to justify the price increase? They're going to do the same thing that they've always been doing for some time now: nothing!
Trust me; I know what you were referring to. That's why I made that reply. "This j_kay, dawg." ;D
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(c) 2007 www.SaludaCymbals.com - All Rights Reserved
heres a start
Keep going. There's more. ;D
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Oh, we were on the same page there :D Man J-Kay what do you think about the Saluda's? The prices seem to be too go to be true! I wonder is the cymbal sounds as nice as the price is? 8) ::) Man I would LOVE to try one! For only $60 I can get a 16" Crash In Brilliant Finish Made from B20 Bronze Which is what most highend cymbals are made of right??? :-\ "Wha you think Dawg?" :D
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Oh, we were on the same page there :D Man J-Kay what do you think about the Saluda's? The prices seem to be too go to be true! I wonder is the cymbal sounds as nice as the price is? 8) ::) Man I would LOVE to try one! For only $60 I can get a 16" Crash In Brilliant Finish Made from B20 Bronze Which is what most highend cymbals are made of right??? :-\ "Wha you think Dawg?" :D
they are awsome i have the whole set of the mist X series; (2). 8" splashs (3). 16" crash,one is an Ozone style;14" high hats;24 inch ride cymbal with a raw bel. I even put in an 18" alpha paiste to see if the quality would hold up. Saluda holds their ground!!! The shop is local here in Columbia and I have seen people trade in their top notch cymbals for theirs, everything from A's to K's.
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Man J-Kay what do you think about the Saluda's? The prices seem to be too go to be true! I wonder is the cymbal sounds as nice as the price is? 8) ::) Man I would LOVE to try one! For only $60 I can get a 16" Crash In Brilliant Finish Made from B20 Bronze Which is what most highend cymbals are made of right??? :-\ "Wha you think Dawg?" :D
I haven't heard any in person, but there are quite a few people that swear by them. Look at CARLISLE - he owns a whole set of Saluda Cymbals.
Rich, I would suggest to contact Saluda and ask for Jamie. Describe a sound and he'll create a cymbal with the sound that you're looking for. If it isn't right, send it back and he'll get it right for ya.
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You right about that. Zildjian are already somewhat over priced just like these houses out here in California. You all should really think about going with these custom boutique cymbal companies and get off the name brand trip. It's way more cost effective. The wait can be a negetive, but I feel it's worth it.
That's exactly why Zildjian is increasing prices. They're probably getting killed by these new jacks in the game. It's also a test of loyalty to those that think Zildjian is the only cymbal to have. That's why I play Sabians(And they're not bargains either). And they have been good to me over the years. I haven't had to replace a cymbal yet. But if I ever have to make a change, I may try a new brand out.
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I haven't heard any in person, but there are quite a few people that swear by them. Look at CARLISLE - he owns a whole set of Saluda Cymbals.
Rich, I would suggest to contact Saluda and ask for Jamie. Describe a sound and he'll create a cymbal with the sound that you're looking for. If it isn't right, send it back and he'll get it right for ya.
u guys gotta check these cymbals out just one to see how they hold up with yo top line. im willing to bet u will trade yo whole set in 4 them. key word custom
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istanbul, igop, meinl and bosphorus is all i can think of for now. guess its time to rebuild my sabians.
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oo yeah amedia and ufip
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That's why I play Sabians(And they're not bargains either).
Well, add Sabian, Ltd. to the price increase list: "NEWS FLASH! - Sabian has announced a 10% price increase for Jan 2008... If you're on the fence, grab them now, before the increase."
;D
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oo yeah amedia and ufip
Ufip is nice - in fact, Gerald Heyward used to be endorsed by Ufip before Zildjian. I've heard a number of them, and I like them.
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This is a spinoff from the "10% increase" thread.
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Istanbul Agop - http://www.istanbulcymbals.com/
Istanbul Mehmet - http://www.istanbulmehmet.com/
Meinl - http://www.meinlcymbals.com/
Ufip - http://www.ufip.it/uk/instruments/htm/strumenti.htm
Bosphorus - http://www.bosphoruscymbals.com/
Amedia - http://www.amediacymbals.com/
Saluda - http://www.saludacymbals.com/c/ (when calling or emailing, ask for Jamie)
Stagg - http://www.staggmusic.com/?request=products
Turkmasters - http://www.myspace.com/cymbaloutfitters (official website suspended, but there is a myspace.com page. Send a (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/Themes/LGM112/images/im_off.gif) (PM) to Darrin/Beatboxerz (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=56171) (click on his name to send the PM).
Dream Cymbals - http://www.dreamcymbals.com/
Note: Some of these brands may not be necessarily cheaper, just because they are not in the "Big three (Zildjian, Sabian and Paiste)". In fact, some may be slightly more expensive. The main objective here is to create a repository in which you can draw upon to broaden your knowledge of the various cymbal companies. Listen to your ears, and don't worry about the pretty little ink logos on the cymbal. Your cymbal palette could be missing out on some great stuff.
If there are more, please feel free to add.
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Additionally, Meinl has a really cool comparison in sonic texture with their various alloys. You can actually hear the difference. To change the alloys, just click on the different types. Here is the link:
http://www.meinlcymbals.com/4/
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Another angle to my statement (so that we're on the same page, cuz I was on your page) Bentley=high price; Paiste="Bentley of cymbals". The pricing for Zildjian is nowhere close to the price of Paiste (Signature, New Signature, Traditional, RUDE, etc.). What does Zildjian need to step up with to justify the price increase? They're going to do the same thing that they've always been doing for some time now: nothing!
Trust me; I know what you were referring to. That's why I made that reply. "This j_kay, dawg." ;D
You ain't never lied J. Paiste's here are luxury to have. Even Meinl's.
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Could this be merged into the stickied section (if it's not there, and if you feel that it would benefit the forum)?
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Man I have got to try those things out. I have heard a couple of the Octagon Cymbals though. The Octagons in Eric Moore's clip sound nice too! The "Big 3" is doing this because they know that people are still going to buy their products no matter what the price is. This isnt going to last long, people are going to get tired of buying over priced cymbals only for them to break in 6 Months. >:( LDNDRUMMER plays Dream Cymbals, Dream Cymbals won an Award in the Summer Issue of Drummer Mag. I dont know what month issue it is I have to find it. ;)
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Hey J_Kay I found Saluda Cymbals on this Website for Super Cheap, I calculated the price on a few cymbals that I wanted and I found that I could get about 5 or 6 Cymbals for about $500 :o
The Site is www.DrumGearOnline.com ;)
J, Im definately calling Jamie man, I want something like a K Custom Ride. :) :-X
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Hey J_Kay I found Saluda Cymbals on this Website for Super Cheap, I calculated the price on a few cymbals that I wanted and I found that I could get about 5 or 6 Cymbals for about $500 :o
The Site is www.DrumGearOnline.com ;)
J, Im definately calling Jamie man, I want something like a K Custom Ride. :) :-X
That's what's up! I've had a few Saluda Cymbals since about Feb. of 2007 and they sound incredible. MistX's are great for the crashes and I love the Earthworks Ride. If you are going to get them make sure you get a MistX 17" or above "vented" for that trashy sound to add to your collection. You'll love it!
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Istanbul Agop - [url]http://www.istanbulcymbals.com/[/url]
Listen to your ears, and don't worry about the pretty little ink logos on the cymbal. Your cymbal palette could be missing out on some great stuff.
Its true you know... i recently purchased an 8" istanbul splash via ebay ::) so it was a real good price, and boi i was really impressed with the sound... really really liked it lol.
;D
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That's exactly why Zildjian is increasing prices. They're probably getting killed by these new jacks in the game. It's also a test of loyalty to those that think Zildjian is the only cymbal to have. That's why I play Sabians(And they're not bargains either). And they have been good to me over the years. I haven't had to replace a cymbal yet. But if I ever have to make a change, I may try a new brand out.
Go custom Bro. Just do it man, you won't be sorry. I was a Zildjian loyalist, until I put my 20" custom dry Turk up against the 20" dry K custom. My Turk killed it. Every since that day, I was a believer in custom brands. Turks are basically just like Zildjian (B-20 metal) but the process takes way more time in making your cymbals.
See, you gots to understand that the BIG BOYS do not need you or care about you, PERIOD. You will not get an endoressment deal from Zildjian or any Big company, unless you are some phenom at the age 3yrs old. So why not help to built up a smaller company to become like a Zildjian or Paite. It's all in what you want to achieve in your drum career or hobby.
Man I have got to try those things out. I have heard a couple of the Octagon Cymbals though. The Octagons in Eric Moore's clip sound nice too! The "Big 3" is doing this because they know that people are still going to buy their products no matter what the price is. This isnt going to last long, people are going to get tired of buying over priced cymbals only for them to break in 6 Months. >:( LDNDRUMMER plays Dream Cymbals, Dream Cymbals won an Award in the Summer Issue of Drummer Mag. I dont know what month issue it is I have to find it. ;)
Octagon Cymbals are ok, and just that ,OK. First off, there made out of B-8 metal, not B-20. If you like a trashy sound, then Octagon is cool. If you hit cymbal kinda hard, you'll break them. They are very thin and they bend really easy. They aren't on Turkmasters level, but they sound ok. Not great. I played Eric's Octagons and my homeboy Will Bates out here in my neighborhood, so take my word on em'. Octagons are just OK IMHO and Professional opinion ;)
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Istanbul Agop - [url]http://www.istanbulcymbals.com/[/url]
Istanbul Mehmet - [url]http://www.istanbulmehmet.com/[/url]
Meinl - [url]http://www.meinlcymbals.com/[/url]
Ufip - [url]http://www.ufip.it/uk/instruments/htm/strumenti.htm[/url]
Bosphorus - [url]http://www.bosphoruscymbals.com/[/url]
Amedia - [url]http://www.amediacymbals.com/[/url]
Saluda - [url]http://www.saludacymbals.com/c/ [/url] (when calling or emailing, ask for Jamie)
Stagg - [url]http://www.staggmusic.com/?request=products[/url]
Turkmasters - [url]http://www.myspace.com/cymbaloutfitters [/url] (official website suspended, but there is a myspace.com page. Send a ([url]http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/Themes/LGM112/images/im_off.gif[/url]) (PM) to Darrin/Beatboxerz ([url]http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=56171[/url]) (click on his name to send the PM).
Dream Cymbals - [url]http://www.dreamcymbals.com/[/url]
Note: Some of these brands may not be necessarily cheaper, just because they are not in the "Big three (Zildjian, Sabian and Paiste)". In fact, some may be slightly more expensive. The main objective here is to create a repository in which you can draw upon to broaden your knowledge of the various cymbal companies. Listen to your ears, and don't worry about the pretty little ink logos on the cymbal. Your cymbal palette could be missing out on some great stuff.
If there are more, please feel free to add.
www.cymbaloutfitters.com
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check them out on ebay and see the products poeple trade in for their stuff at an Alarming discount
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check them out on ebay and see the products poeple trade in for their stuff at an Alarming discount
saluda, that is
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This thread is great I LOVE IT.... :D
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This thread is great I LOVE IT.... :D
;D ;D
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You make my job SOOO much easier, j.
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,50985.40.html
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See... if cats played Sabians whole-heartedly like they should, then y'all wouldn't be worried about stuff like this. LOL! SABIAN STAND UP!
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Pfft. If Sabian becomes that popular they'll just move up their pricing as well. ::)
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min_amw, I guess that you missed this (located on page two):
Well, add Sabian, Ltd. to the price increase list: "NEWS FLASH! - Sabian has announced a 10% price increase for Jan 2008... If you're on the fence, grab them now, before the increase."
;D
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See... if cats played Sabians whole-heartedly like they should, then y'all wouldn't be worried about stuff like this. LOL! SABIAN STAND UP!
And, they (Sabian) also had a 10% increase in 2006, if I'm remembering correctly.
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Hehehe...
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10% of list price really isn't worth complaining about to me. Especially when a company has proven themselves as Sabain has through innovation, selection, product quality and availablility. The products are worth more to me than the increase in list price. A cymbal listed at $300 will have a MAP (minmum advertised price) of $180 (around 40% off). The price increase would take the list price to $330. MAP would then be $198. That's $18 difference in sale price. Most of us probably blow that in fast food in a week. Alot of buyers don't know that most of the time, you can buy Sabian (or maybe even Zildjian) cymbals at 50% off of the list price without hurting the dealer's profits. You just gotta know how to ask. Can you dig it?
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Ay, I'm just informing the masses - I'm good on cymbals (I have about thirteen presently).
If you're good, that's great. That makes at least two of us (confirmed). I'm a comparative shopper, too. Again, this is an informative post for the masses.
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Pfft. If Sabian becomes that popular they'll just move up their pricing as well. ::)
If they're smart they won't. You make more money with good prices and moving merchandise vs just a high price up front. That's good business. Plus WHO you buy it from makes all of the difference. Some of these shops will mark up stuff while others will give you a really good discount price. The shop where I get my stuff from sells everything at an everyday discount price. And the majority of the local pros go to him.
They will ship to you. Check them out
www.forksdrumcloset.com in Nashville, TN.
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They will ship to you. Check them out
www.forksdrumcloset.com in Nashville, TN.
Don't play with me, Big. I'ma make em send my stuff to yours so you can ship it to me in case they don't. ;D
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Don't play with me, Big. I'ma make em send my stuff to yours so you can ship it to me in case they don't. ;D
Slight correction. They do ship to you. Shipping is FREE on Pearl hardware and ALL cymbals. You can't beat that if you play Pearl.
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Well what do you guys think! Your dollar has gone way down in value around the world and Zildjian has to keep up....But ask, why do you care about the big name companies anyway? I'm playing Stagg Cymbals and I'm very happy with them...Id put the high end Staggs up to an K, A, AAX, HHX, or whatever. If your not making the big bucks drumming or on the road 24/7 then why do you need the brand names? Use you ears swallow your pride and use what sounds good....Ill be honest before I had endorsements I had no problem using a Dixon snare if it sounded good...I still go to a music store and see a snare for 80 bucks that's killer and just want it....
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I'm playing Stagg Cymbals and I'm very happy with them.
O'rly?
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On an earlier thread:
Dream Cymbals (China/Canada)
About your comments about Dream Cymbals:
Thanks man, you guys need to hear these things!
So, you're rollin' with Stagg now? ?/?
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But ask, why do you care about the big name companies anyway?
If your not making the big bucks drumming or on the road 24/7 then why do you need the brand names? Use you ears swallow your pride and use what sounds good.
I believe that the answer to your question is personal preference. I'm sure that the respondents could also get Stagg Cymbals, Saluda Cymbals, etc., but they prefer _____ brand of cymbals.
Of course, some of it could be attributed to brand loyalty (no matter what), but again, it boils down to my opening statement: I believe that the answer to your question is personal preference.
It is also my belief that the respondents will also take advantage of the "if it sounds good, I'll buy it", regardless of the name on the product.
I do not feel that it's fair to question why someone need the brand name. It's their money, right? You have your money, right? You do what you want with your money, and let them do what they want with their money.
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Dream Cymbals do sound good But there are kind of hard to match sound wise IMO. :-\ I tried them out at a local drum shop and the splashes are pretty nice, Have a nice "psshhh" sound if that makes sense..