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Title: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: TPDrummerboy on June 10, 2008, 09:43:19 AM
   What's up everyone, what do you all do in studio recordings, do you play in the or do you play all the chops you know just to be heard by someone? What to do and not to do in the studio...???
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: dude-on-drums on June 10, 2008, 11:01:21 AM
It depends on who's project you're working on.  If its yours, play whatever you want.  If its someone else's, play whatever they want. 
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: stiksnmypocket on June 10, 2008, 11:35:41 AM
It depends on who's project you're working on.  If its yours, play whatever you want.  If its someone else's, play whatever they want. 

lol....exactly what he said....
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: BigFoot_BigThumb on June 10, 2008, 11:38:38 AM
First you want to give the producer what they want.  Only do what you want if the producer gives you free reign.  But you also must play what the song(s) call for.  Doing your own thing too much can quickly get you replaced. 
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: BigFoot_BigThumb on June 10, 2008, 11:40:00 AM
I see that all repsonses seem to be on the same wavelength.  I didn't read them before I responded.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: JFunky on June 10, 2008, 12:04:06 PM
I see that all repsonses seem to be on the same wavelength.  I didn't read them before I responded.


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Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: j_kay on June 10, 2008, 01:01:08 PM
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Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Vangie D on June 10, 2008, 02:30:41 PM
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Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: QCdrummer on June 10, 2008, 03:28:12 PM
When recording I play straight pocket. Recording is alot harder for some reason, I guess because time is money and you gotta get that stuff done and get out.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 10, 2008, 08:10:07 PM
   What's up everyone, what do you all do in studio recordings, do you play in the or do you play all the chops you know just to be heard by someone? What to do and not to do in the studio...???

It really matters whats called for on the track.... But the Producer can over-ride my last statement! I just played drums on a track for a new artist coming out here in Canada.. The track was totally Nashvillesk but the Producer wanted me to play something which to me didn't fit the flow of the song, and me also being a Producer made it even worse. I would play fills that fit and flowed with the song and loved them but to him he didn't like them. I had to really put my head in another world to give him what he wanted.

Again the Producer had say even when I thought he was wrong... He did end up calling me back 2nd guessing himself but I gave him two takes to pull things from just in case so I don't have to make another trip out there.

As for show boating on a recording, you can almost guess that you would be digging a hole for your career if you do that! Serve the producers need first and serve the song second, IF the producer wants you to so called "go crazy" then do as he wishes.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: juSe on June 10, 2008, 08:21:19 PM
   What's up everyone, what do you all do in studio recordings, do you play in the or do you play all the chops you know just to be heard by someone? What to do and not to do in the studio...???

Honestly, why is this even a question?  This is why a lot of sound guys hate drummers.  One should always look to serve the music FIRST!!!  You are hired to do a job, so do it.  If its your project, then you do what you want.  If you are hired to do someone elses work then your job is to play the music they wan they want you to play it.  On a studio project, 9 times out of 10, you are going to be hired help.  If you want to continue to be the cat that gets the call, show up, be a professional in every sense of the word, and get your chips.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 10, 2008, 08:27:39 PM
Honestly, why is this even a question?  This is why a lot of sound guys hate drummers.  One should always look to serve the music FIRST!!!  You are hired to do a job, so do it.  If its your project, then you do what you want.  If you are hired to do someone elses work then your job is to play the music they wan they want you to play it.  On a studio project, 9 times out of 10, you are going to be hired help.  If you want to continue to be the cat that gets the call, show up, be a professional in every sense of the word, and get your chips.

I think its a good question. Too many kids have the wrong idea of studio work.. Its like they dont see the WORK par of studio work. They think their going to go in and blaze and come out playing 50 cent and have a write up in Modern Drummer.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: juSe on June 10, 2008, 08:36:23 PM
I think its a good question. Too many kids have the wrong idea of studio work.. Its like they dont see the WORK par of studio work. They think their going to go in and blaze and come out playing 50 cent and have a write up in Modern Drummer.

I guess you have a point DAHKNESS.  I just dont see why cats don't get it.  The cats that get all the studio work are not always the cats whti the blazing chops.  Its the cats that play the music and have great musical sense.  I'm not saying that the chops don't matter, because they do.  They count for a lot.  But they mean nothing if they are in the wrong place.  I guess until cats 100% decide that its about the music FIRST, questions like this will always be relaivent.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 10, 2008, 08:44:06 PM
I guess you have a point DAHKNESS.  I just dont see why cats don't get it.  The cats that get all the studio work are not always the cats whti the blazing chops.  Its the cats that play the music and have great musical sense.  I'm not saying that the chops don't matter, because they do.  They count for a lot.  But they mean nothing if they are in the wrong place.  I guess until cats 100% decide that its about the music FIRST, questions like this will always be relaivent.

These days guy chops really dont matter unless youre playing anything black, progressive or fusion.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: juSe on June 10, 2008, 08:52:36 PM
These days guy chops really dont matter unless youre playing anything black, progressive or fusion.

I dig that, but what i'm saying is that they are not ALL that matter.  There are other things that count towards the equasion that people overlook.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: SabianKnight on June 10, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
The guys getting all the studio jobs these days in all genres have REAL CHOPS - MUSICAL CHOPS (MUSICAL FUNDAMENTALS)....
They listen!!!! they have solid meter and a great internal clock and can play with and even better AROUND THE CLICK. Whether it is Vinnie, Abe Laborial Jr., Josh Freese, Russ Miller, Kenny Aronoff, Simon Phillips, Horacio Hernandez, Chester Thompson, Paul Liem, Eddie Bayers, J.D. Blair, Derico Watson, Michael White, Steve Gadd, Benard Purdie, Billy Kilson, Jeremy Haynes or Calvin Rogers.

Problem is this list should be longer. It isn't because guys today worry more about being seen, getting a check and the latest lick instead of MAKING A TIMELESS HIT MUSIC RECORD which brings more gig opps, and points from record sells thereby more money and award opps. Most of us will never make a record like "Rock Steady" by Aretha Franklin featuring Bernard Purdie on drums or "The Electric Slide" with Steve Gadd on drums or 'I Keep Forgettin'" by Michael McDonald with Jeff Porcaro on drums or "Southern Girl" by Maze with Michael White on drums. These guys often go in with the mindset to "make history" as Vinnie told Michael White to do when they were work on the Steely Dan record "Two Against Nature". BTW, the record won a Grammy for record of the year.

Catch the vision of the producer and Serve the music.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: dude-on-drums on June 10, 2008, 11:17:27 PM
Herbie Hancock also won a grammy for his latest project the "Joni Letters."  And of course, yours truly, Vinnie, is on drums. 
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 11, 2008, 12:27:33 AM
The guys getting all the studio jobs these days in all genres have REAL CHOPS - MUSICAL CHOPS (MUSICAL FUNDAMENTALS)....
They listen!!!! they have solid meter and a great internal clock and can play with and even better AROUND THE CLICK. Whether it is Vinnie, Abe Laboriel Jr., Josh Freese, Russ Miller, Kenny Aronoff, Simon Phillips, Horacio Hernandez, Chester Thompson, Paul Liem, Eddie Bayers, J.D. Blair, Derico Watson, Michael White, Steve Gadd, Bernard Purdie, Billy Kilson, Jeremy Haynes or Calvin Rogers.

Problem is this list should be longer. It isn't because guys today worry more about being seen, getting a check and the latest lick instead of MAKING A TIMELESS HIT MUSIC RECORD which brings more gig opps, and points from record sells thereby more money and award opps. Most of us will never make a record like "Rock Steady" by Aretha Franklin featuring Bernard Purdie on drums or "The Electric Slide" with Steve Gadd on drums or 'I Keep Forgetting'" by Michael McDonald with Jeff Porcaro on drums or "Southern Girl" by Maze with Michael White on drums. These guys often go in with the mindset to "make history" as Vinnie told Michael White to do when they were work on the Steely Dan record "Two Against Nature". BTW, the record won a Grammy for record of the year.

Catch the vision of the producer and Serve the music.

Calvin Rogers? No disrespecting him but he really doesn't fit with the other drummers mentioned. Maybe if you are a gospel drummer or musician you might have a song he smoked on, but really what has he played on that's timeless? Give it 10 to 20 more years and we'll see. Id love to see Calvin break out of the gospel scene and see how he does in the real world. Id like to see more integration when it comes to Nashville, New York, Cali recording scene. How often do you see a black 1st call drummer who records and play country or rock and so on.....

As for the posed question how can you blame him for asking!? Any GOSPEL drummer so far who has blazed a solo on the recording or has shown of their better than average chops live seems to get noticed right away and seems to start popping up everywhere after. Example; who really know Calvin Rodgers before the "Rain On Us" solo, then to nail his career into over drive  what he did on the Bishop Larry Trotter CD. After that everyone started looking out for and using him.... Spanky was an unknown until people started seeing him come to their Church with Tye blazing of his Chris Dave licks with Sound Check. Lets even go back in time....Look at Gerald. He's the was the KING of over playing and lashing out chops even in songs that didn't call for it like in the song that goes "the storm will pass after while".

It was a slow song and Gerald in the middle of the song pulls out one of his quads (double stroke roll between left hand on the floor tom and your kick). Out of place, yes! Sound cool heck yeah!!! BUT again it was his over playing things that at the time most could not do that got him noticed. Gerald was blamed by so many people for ruining gospel drumming because everyone felt that that was the way we should be playing, even in Church. Gospel music has seemed to raise up the show offs and the guys who sit and say well Im a musician and Im playing musically are never really noticed.

You (all) know how proper studio edicate should be BUT, do you know what it takes to actually get noticed!?
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: SabianKnight on June 11, 2008, 06:24:58 AM
Calvin Rogers? No disrespecting him but he really doesn't fit with the other drummers mentioned. Maybe if you are a gospel drummer or musician you might have a song he smoked on, but really what has he played on that's timeless? Give it 10 to 20 more years and we'll see. Id love to see Calvin break out of the gospel scene and see how he does in the real world. Id like to see more integration when it comes to Nashville, New York, Cali recording scene. How often do you see a black 1st call drummer who records and play country or rock and so on.....

As for the posed question how can you blame him for asking!? Any GOSPEL drummer so far who has blazed a solo on the recording or has shown of their better than average chops live seems to get noticed right away and seems to start popping up everywhere after. Example; who really know Calvin Rodgers before the "Rain On Us" solo, then to nail his career into over drive  what he did on the Bishop Larry Trotter CD. After that everyone started looking out for and using him.... Spanky was an unknown until people started seeing him come to their Church with Tye blazing of his Chris Dave licks with Sound Check. Lets even go back in time....Look at Gerald. He's the was the KING of over playing and lashing out chops even in songs that didn't call for it like in the song that goes "the storm will pass after while".

It was a slow song and Gerald in the middle of the song pulls out one of his quads (double stroke roll between left hand on the floor tom and your kick). Out of place, yes! Sound cool heck yeah!!! BUT again it was his over playing things that at the time most could not do that got him noticed. Gerald was blamed by so many people for ruining gospel drumming because everyone felt that that was the way we should be playing, even in Church. Gospel music has seemed to raise up the show offs and the guys who sit and say well Im a musician and Im playing musically are never really noticed.

You (all) know how proper studio edicate should be BUT, do you know what it takes to actually get noticed!?


I think that Calvin has done his "timeless" tracks for gospel music, which is the grouping that I mentioned him in. You make some valid points on getting noticed however the point(s) I made were (1) the recognized studio guys in the various genres I mention all have the same qualities in common. They have real musical chops - they have real chops sound fundamentals not just chops as licks. They can play intently/consciously play various rudimental stickings at will voiced around the kit that have folks practicing for years just to copy. (2) They all have their own voice that doesn't get in the way of the music (3) They all play what is required at a given time not just by direction but also by listening and interacting with the music itself.

Chops in a foundational or classical music sense infers that one can play anything placed in front of them without effort and can through theory place place things accordingly in a musical situation instinctively. Instinctively implies that the senses have been honed to make a split-second decision based on the the skills mastered and the understandings thereof and through anticipation answer a question/situation (musical in this case) before it is even asked. That brings about discovery and expansion of the arena/craft it is applied to. These things came through the musicians guild and various other guilds (unions) of old. That gets you noticed... Question is who is it that folk want to notice them and what is their value in character. The gifted were taken on as apprentice and released to be themselves when they had proven mastery. Even then they were representative of their "fathers"/masters (teachers) until they had built up their own creditials. When I previously said the list was too short it was to encourage a return to this system of thought which proved to make one greatly admired and used and recorded in the history of what they did as a profession. The fore mentioned session players will always be remembered because their work is documented in proven value.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: dude-on-drums on June 11, 2008, 08:48:56 AM
Wow. This may spark another subject but in today's gospel music, is there anything timeless?  BBD has made an excellent point. Outside of what the Hawkins and the Winans did, I don't think a timeless gospel recording has been made in the last 15 to 20 years.  Lately they've  all been fast food recordings. Its not surprising though.  Gospel has way too much R&B influence which will naturally result in a "flavor of the day" style of music, which in return births "flavor of the day" musicians.  Indeed, they will eventually play themselves out.  You will grow tired of hearing certain drummers...some of us are already tired of hearing certain drummers.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 11, 2008, 11:38:42 AM
Wow. This may spark another subject but in today's gospel music, is there anything timeless?  BBD has made an excellent point. Outside of what the Hawkins and the Winans did, I don't think a timeless gospel recording has been made in the last 15 to 20 years.  Lately they've  all been fast food recordings. Its not surprising though.  Gospel has way too much R&B influence which will naturally result in a "flavor of the day" style of music, which in return births "flavor of the day" musicians.  Indeed, they will eventually play themselves out.  You will grow tired of hearing certain drummers...some of us are already tired of hearing certain drummers.

Yes, you got it!!!! And that's what Im saying!!!! When I was typing my last post I was thinking of the Hawkins and the Winans , Andrae Crouch, Aretha Franklin's recording. It would have been more appropriate to group Bill Maxwell, Dana Davis, Joel Smith in with the drummers on timeless recordings, Calvin' nah! D.O.D's right! Gospel music right now is full of "flavor of the day" musicians and styles. Trust me! It was nice when I could go pick up a gospel tape/cd and be blown away by some drummer whom I had never heard of playing drums his own way and doing his own licks.. Now everything is the same people, same sound, everyone trying to sound the same, everyone trying to be Calvin Rodgers...Calvin's good but he's not so good that there are no others who can do what he's doing and put a different spin or bring a different flavor to the table. (Calvin's only an example Im using, he is a cat to look up to and has my full respect!)

Gospel music has become nothing but a money making business and that's it!!! No one wants to take a chance on new musicians and even they discriminate on artists now too! I say that because there was a time more local Church Choirs would put out recordings & if it was good enough labels would pick them up and give them distribution deals, you really don't see that anymore. I learned more from listening to the local everyday Church Choir drummers then I did from listening to Dave Weckl. Gospel music is not fun anymore, the brotherhood between gospel drummers has really broken down over the years!

There was a time that no matter where you were from as long as you were a true Gospel Drummer we were brothers and you were coming to my house if you were in my city. And if I had gear I wasn't using and you needed it it was yours, if I could not make a gig Id give it to you. Now its all about what I can get, can I get all the gigs, I want to be a super star, give me, give me, give me! That's why there's really no more timeless recordings anymore, the heart and the soul has left the music!!! When last could you really feel the soul of an artist come out in a recording!!?? Go back and dig out your parents old gospel and soul records from the MID 70's and you will feel what I mean.

Come on! Even most of the instruments in our music is fake!!!! Im a producer and Ive been guilty of exactly what Im talking about!! We need to find our heart and soul again, that's the only time we will start making music that can grab our souls and pull it out of our bodies!!! Music that you feel in your soul and consumes your body all day long!

Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: SabianKnight on June 11, 2008, 02:10:26 PM
Wow. This may spark another subject but in today's gospel music, is there anything timeless?  BBD has made an excellent point. Outside of what the Hawkins and the Winans did, I don't think a timeless gospel recording has been made in the last 15 to 20 years.  Lately they've  all been fast food recordings. Its not surprising though.  Gospel has way too much R&B influence which will naturally result in a "flavor of the day" style of music, which in return births "flavor of the day" musicians.  Indeed, they will eventually play themselves out.  You will grow tired of hearing certain drummers...some of us are already tired of hearing certain drummers.

I can agree with you on that the fact that today's R&B or should I say Hip-Hop R&B is very flava of the month. Ringtone of the month is more like it. This "pick pocket" mentality has birthed some bad seed.

I am not moved by most of today's young Gospel artists/music. Certainly not by the majority of today's Hip-Hop R&B. Though I am not the Gospel music off-spring that you guys are I am as serious-minded musician as you and BBD are and outside of the nuances I think we all are wanting the same change to occur in todays musician. 
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: SabianKnight on June 11, 2008, 02:19:32 PM
Yes, you got it!!!! And that's what Im saying!!!! When I was typing my last post I was thinking of the Hawkins and the Winans , Andrae Crouch, Aretha Franklin's recording. It would have been more appropriate to group Bill Maxwell, Dana Davis, Joel Smith in with the drummers on timeless recordings, Calvin' nah! D.O.D's right! Gospel music right now is full of "flavor of the day" musicians and styles. Trust me! It was nice when I could go pick up a gospel tape/cd and be blown away by some drummer whom I had never heard of playing drums his own way and doing his own licks.. Now everything is the same people, same sound, everyone trying to sound the same, everyone trying to be Calvin Rodgers...Calvin's good but he's not so good that there are no others who can do what he's doing and put a different spin or bring a different flavor to the table. (Calvin's only an example Im using, he is a cat to look up to and has my full respect!)

Gospel music has become nothing but a money making business and that's it!!! No one wants to take a chance on new musicians and even they discriminate on artists now too! I say that because there was a time more local Church Choirs would put out recordings & if it was good enough labels would pick them up and give them distribution deals, you really don't see that anymore. I learned more from listening to the local everyday Church Choir drummers then I did from listening to Dave Weckl. Gospel music is not fun anymore, the brotherhood between gospel drummers has really broken down over the years!

There was a time that no matter where you were from as long as you were a true Gospel Drummer we were brothers and you were coming to my house if you were in my city. And if I had gear I wasn't using and you needed it it was yours, if I could not make a gig Id give it to you. Now its all about what I can get, can I get all the gigs, I want to be a super star, give me, give me, give me! That's why there's really no more timeless recordings anymore, the heart and the soul has left the music!!! When last could you really feel the soul of an artist come out in a recording!!?? Go back and dig out your parents old gospel and soul records from the MID 70's and you will feel what I mean.

Come on! Even most of the instruments in our music is fake!!!! Im a producer and Ive been guilty of exactly what Im talking about!! We need to find our heart and soul again, that's the only time we will start making music that can grab our souls and pull it out of our bodies!!! Music that you feel in your soul and consumes your body all day long!



Aside from me being less a Gospel music historian than you we are both saying the same thing. I think it really makes a statement that the producer in you and the musician and music fan in you are at odds. Most wouldn't admit it I don't think. The local choirs fellowshipping and  doing the choir day appreciation and anniversary concerts back in the day were very influential. Now days... it is just not heart felt to me. It does seem like there was more opportunity for folk back in the 80s and 90s. I know times change but in the kingdom it should only be for he better. Time to pick the ball back up because, it was dropped along the way.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 11, 2008, 06:13:41 PM
Aside from me being less a Gospel music historian than you we are both saying the same thing. I think it really makes a statement that the producer in you and the musician and music fan in you are at odds. Most wouldn't admit it I don't think. The local choirs fellowshipping and  doing the choir day appreciation and anniversary concerts back in the day were very influential. Now days... it is just not heart felt to me. It does seem like there was more opportunity for folk back in the 80s and 90s. I know times change but in the kingdom it should only be for he better. Time to pick the ball back up because, it was dropped along the way.

Its funny this came up. This very thing has been bothering me for awhile now. Gospel music has lost its heart and the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and I mean that in both the spiritual and physical!!!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: fLaT-fIfTh on June 12, 2008, 10:30:31 AM
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.... Tired of gospel music? Same sound? Same people? I have been a member of this community for two years now and this board hasn't changed much. Same usernames saying the same stuff. Who here has progressed in two years? Who here has a new gig in two years? Who here has put out a professional recording in two years? What is everyone waiting for???????? Do you assume Calvin is gonna take off his crown and gently place it on your head? ?/? Do you think Spanky is gonna post a thousand Youtube clips breaking down every lick he knows so you can play just like him? ?/? It ain't gonna happen, people! Remember, the problem is you. It is always you!... Look at what you can do differently to bring about change.
If you don't like what Calvin is doing, take it from him. It's just that simple! This is still a free country, at least until Obama is elected... Cats need to get off their behinds and be aggressive about their goals. If you want it, go after it in a ferocious yet methodical way. Anybody here down to do what it takes to get what Calvin has or to get what Spanky has? (Please don't answer that) Otherwise, your gift shall make room for you...right there on your couch!

God bless
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: under13 on June 12, 2008, 10:33:12 AM
This is still a free country, at least until Obama is elected...


Hold up! Rewind! What you mean by that?
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: JFunky on June 12, 2008, 10:44:55 AM
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.... Tired of gospel music? Same sound? Same people? I have been a member of this community for two years now and this board hasn't changed much. Same usernames saying the same stuff. Who here has progressed in two years? Who here has a new gig in two years? Who here has put out a professional recording in two years? What is everyone waiting for???????? Do you assume Calvin is gonna take off his crown and gently place it on your head? ?/? Do you think Spanky is gonna post a thousand Youtube clips breaking down every lick he knows so you can play just like him? ?/? It ain't gonna happen, people! Remember, the problem is you. It is always you!... Look at what you can do differently to bring about change.
If you don't like what Calvin is doing, take it from him. It's just that simple! This is still a free country, at least until Obama is elected... Cats need to get off their behinds and be aggressive about their goals. If you want it, go after it in a ferocious yet methodical way. Anybody here down to do what it takes to get what Calvin has or to get what Spanky has? (Please don't answer that) Otherwise, your gift shall make room for you...right there on your couch!

God bless


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Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: fLaT-fIfTh on June 12, 2008, 11:15:54 AM
Hold up! Rewind! What you mean by that?

My name is Gerald Forrest and I approve of this message. ;)

God bless
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: JFunky on June 12, 2008, 11:36:02 AM
My name is Gerald Forrest and I approve of this message. ;)

God bless


...yeah well.....my last name's bennett and I ain't 'enett. LOL

your gift shall make room for you...right there on your couch!


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Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: dude-on-drums on June 12, 2008, 12:47:51 PM

Do you assume Calvin is gonna take off his crown and gently place it on your head? ?/? Do you think Spanky is gonna post a thousand Youtube clips breaking down every lick he knows so you can play just like him? ?/? ......your gift shall make room for you...right there on your couch!
God bless



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Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: E.R. on June 12, 2008, 02:10:22 PM
My name is Gerald Forrest and I approve of this message. ;)

God bless

Me too!!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Audiocr381ve on June 12, 2008, 03:34:10 PM
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.... Tired of gospel music? Same sound? Same people? I have been a member of this community for two years now and this board hasn't changed much. Same usernames saying the same stuff. Who here has progressed in two years? Who here has a new gig in two years? Who here has put out a professional recording in two years? What is everyone waiting for???????? Do you assume Calvin is gonna take off his crown and gently place it on your head? ?/? Do you think Spanky is gonna post a thousand Youtube clips breaking down every lick he knows so you can play just like him? ?/? It ain't gonna happen, people! Remember, the problem is you. It is always you!... Look at what you can do differently to bring about change.
If you don't like what Calvin is doing, take it from him. It's just that simple! This is still a free country, at least until Obama is elected... Cats need to get off their behinds and be aggressive about their goals. If you want it, go after it in a ferocious yet methodical way. Anybody here down to do what it takes to get what Calvin has or to get what Spanky has? (Please don't answer that) Otherwise, your gift shall make room for you...right there on your couch!

God bless

Hey Gerald. I had the privilege of meeting you at Namm 2 years ago.


I respectfully disagree with you here. I don't believe it's healthy to be aggressive about goals. That's the hustle the world wants us in. That hustle is dangerous, and I know you know this. It seems like everyone is promoting a shallow race for cool gigs with cool people lately like having that childish dream is healthy. Yea, childish.

If everyone and everything we had was taken from us, and we only had one thing to stand on, would it be the promises and words of the unseen God?

Let's get real, the way most of us talk around here including me, it's like we aren't even close to being ambassadors of Christ. With all the sarcasm flying around here it's hard to help a brother that wants some genuine help. That tells me most of us around here, including me again, are caught up in this dead-end hustle!

I'm a little frustrated today, you'll have to excuse me.

It ain't about us. Let the focus shift to Him, and everything else falls into place at a rate that causes the development of good character. Character that glorifies God when you do have a place of influence.

To the topic starter:

I did two songs for a childrens t.v. show last week. I had no room for blazing chops. They were childrens songs. Take the material you were given and really put some thought into what it calls for. Be prepared when you step foot in that studio to try different things. My producer told me not to use any toms last time I was in the studio, be prepared. FOCUS ON THE SONG! If this makes sense, think more like the producer and less like a drummer.

 
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: JHJr on June 12, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
No's matter what ya'll aaaguin bout! / With all respect going out to every drummer on this forum and in the field. Point in case said that as far as sudio work i have not seen anyone touch RICKY LAWSON. Because, when you are the sole session drummer for ARISTA, BABYFACE AND MICHAEL JACKSON (say what you want about the man but Mike is the man). None of those other drummer can hold Ricky's stick when it come to noteriety (sp) due the fact he's probably the most decorated drummer in the land (grammy nominations & winnings). It's my opinion but you will have a hard time argueing with me on that. Besides he's the one of the trendsetters that revolutionized studio session techniqes that is still used today!! Besides you can't be a scrub working for mike and Mr. Edmonds when they are the most decorated of all African American Producers, Performers and Songwriters still to this day.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: JFunky on June 12, 2008, 04:11:32 PM
No's matter what ya'll aaaguin bout! / With all respect going out to every drummer on this forum and in the field. Point in case said that as far as sudio work i have not seen anyone touch RICKY LAWSON. Because, when you are the sole session drummer for ARISTA, BABYFACE AND MICHAEL JACKSON (say what you want about the man but Mike is the man). None of those other drummer can hold Ricky's stick when it come to noteriety (sp) due the fact he's probably the most decorated drummer in the land (grammy nominations & winnings). It's my opinion but you will have a hard time argueing with me on that. Besides he's the one of the trendsetters that revolutionized studio session techniqes that is still used today!! Besides you can't be a scrub working for mike and Mr. Edmonds when they are the most decorated of all African American Producers, Performers and Songwriters still to this day.

...Ricky Lawson is a great Session Drummer that I respect a lot.  Cats on here don't even know who he is. ::) 

...The most "recorded" drummer is now Mr. Vinnie Colaiuta and he's got plenty of big time Grammy Nominations and Winnings "across genres".  That's pretty impressive in my book. Then there's Russ Miller and Abe Laboriel....great drummers that get the job done.

...I'm glad you brought up Mr. Ricky Lawson though.  He's no joke in the Session World.  8)
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: JHJr on June 12, 2008, 04:13:40 PM
thankx i forgot about VC.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: 3rd-Day on June 12, 2008, 04:16:27 PM
Yep! This is definetly a good place to stop and go read the Go get em..Go..Go..Go thread.


"From the time of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful people have been seizing it."  8)
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: fLaT-fIfTh on June 12, 2008, 04:31:10 PM
Hey Gerald. I had the privilege of meeting you at Namm 2 years ago.


I respectfully disagree with you here. I don't believe it's healthy to be aggressive about goals. That's the hustle the world wants us in. That hustle is dangerous, and I know you know this. It seems like everyone is promoting a shallow race for cool gigs with cool people lately like having that childish dream is healthy. Yea, childish.

If everyone and everything we had was taken from us, and we only had one thing to stand on, would it be the promises and words of the unseen God?

Let's get real, the way most of us talk around here including me, it's like we aren't even close to being ambassadors of Christ. With all the sarcasm flying around here it's hard to help a brother that wants some genuine help. That tells me most of us around here, including me again, are caught up in this dead-end hustle!

I'm a little frustrated today, you'll have to excuse me.

It ain't about us. Let the focus shift to Him, and everything else falls into place at a rate that causes the development of good character. Character that glorifies God when you do have a place of influence.


Wassup man? I remember you and the pleasure was all mine, believe me. I hope you are doing well. We can repectfully disagree here. I believe that if you choose not to be aggressive, someone else will be. So, don't be mad when hard work wins the day. If I'm in school and I have a big test, should I not study aggressively to achieve a grade? If my goal is to purchase a home, should I not save aggressively for a down payment?
 I see your point, but I disagree. I see way too many young cats that want to be where someone else is, but will sit by on idle and never WORK to achieve it.
The formula is not difficult. Faith without works is dead. You clearly have faith. Now, get to work.

God bless
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on June 12, 2008, 04:38:26 PM
 :-X... Just watching. Quite interesting...
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: L.V.Drumma on June 12, 2008, 05:03:16 PM
I agree with Beat, this is....intense...
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: JHJr on June 12, 2008, 05:57:44 PM
Ricky Lawson in concert w/ Mike ( March 03, 2008 and people still actin foolish and fallin out) :o :o
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: JHJr on June 12, 2008, 05:58:12 PM
http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-10/us/x.htm?sh=mmic&ep=michaeljacksonpost (http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-10/us/x.htm?sh=mmic&ep=michaeljacksonpost)
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on June 12, 2008, 06:02:33 PM
[url]http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-10/us/x.htm?sh=mmic&ep=michaeljacksonpost[/url] ([url]http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-10/us/x.htm?sh=mmic&ep=michaeljacksonpost[/url])


Why in the world did you post a Michael Jackson concert bruh, ?/? ???
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Audiocr381ve on June 12, 2008, 06:02:46 PM
Wassup man? I remember you and the pleasure was all mine, believe me. I hope you are doing well. We can repectfully disagree here. I believe that if you choose not to be aggressive, someone else will be. So, don't be mad when hard work wins the day. If I'm in school and I have a big test, should I not study aggressively to achieve a grade? If my goal is to purchase a home, should I not save aggressively for a down payment?
 I see your point, but I disagree. I see way too many young cats that want to be where someone else is, but will sit by on idle and never WORK to achieve it.
The formula is not difficult. Faith without works is dead. You clearly have faith. Now, get to work.

God bless

I'm doing great man, thanks for asking. The pleasure was still mine!  :)

I hear what you're saying.

Most of us have had the revelation about material things. We know material things can't satisfy. Have we replaced that lust with a lust to be great and recognized?

I just feel like some of us are encouraging these young cats to hustle just like the world everyday is telling us too. The world says go to school, get an education, go to college, get a good job, buy a house, buy a car, get a better job, buy a bigger house, get a better car. You aren't a man without these things, so they say. Go Go Go.

Pretty soon you have a guy who's reached "the top" with no character to show for it. He wouldn't let anything he's accomplished slip out of his hands. What I'm trying to get at is it's not all about us and our shallow, self-seeking goals to be recognized (the goals we feel God called us to). The lie is we will be important when we get there. The lie is we will be happy when the dream gig arrives. God gives us the desires of our hearts, true. But what's missed is the only good desires in us are birthed from seeking God first.

If you do anything aggressively, seek God first. The hustle is over-rated. If you hustle, hustle after a good wife. Build a family.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Audiocr381ve on June 12, 2008, 06:03:17 PM
Why in the world did you post a Michael Jackson concert bruh, ?/? ???

lmbo!!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: JHJr on June 12, 2008, 06:05:18 PM
Silly ain't it!!! that dude is still touring!! u know u watched that whole concert, brought back memories huh!! :P :P ;D
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on June 12, 2008, 06:11:17 PM
Silly ain't it!!! that dude is still touring!! u know u watched that whole concert, brought back memories huh!! :P :P ;D

Nah, I really didn't watch it... He had on a gold jock strap over his high waters  :-[ ....
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: JHJr on June 12, 2008, 06:19:39 PM
i laughed myself to tears when i say that and turned it off. Truthfully, i wanted to see Ricky Lawson play but that outfit and decided it was too funny not to post. Beside i think we take things too seriously on this forum. we need to find the funny things on life. The gold outfit makes me know he did the child thing for real!!! WEIRD!!!! :o  Besides this is something to laugh at and also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgQLe1v7-Eo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgQLe1v7-Eo)
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: cdrums116 on June 12, 2008, 07:05:12 PM
L.V., hit me up lata!

LGM, what's good with you guys? Hope all is well with you and your families. I'm doing well, staying busy. Ready to enjoy some warm weather, ya know!!

So anyway, I come through here every so often, mainly to see what clips yall are posting. I read the threads sometimes, but a lot of times I don't. Mainly because you have to understand that it can be kind of hard to see what your so called "brothers" think and say about you. I'm a very nonchalant kind of dude, so I don't really let MUCH get to me. But when you are as passionate as I am about music, and work so hard to portray it, only to have people tear it down at times....that can be a little frustrating, to say the least. I've read some pretty interesting things about myself on here. All ranging from my skill as a musician, to my walk with Christ, to my sexuality. And it aint all been positive. And just think....this is a Christian forum. Not only that, but a drum forum at that. If nowehre else, I should want to come and fellowship via internet with my brothers. Now, I'm not coming on here to whine about who does or doesn't like me. And I am gonna give my opinion on the topic at hand. But I also want to address a couple things said on here, as well.

The studio thing, as Juse/Sabe/D.O.D./so many others said, is all about making the producer happy. Plain and simple, it's politics. You make the producers happy, you get more calls. The trick is finding a way to make the producer happy, and feel good about your track all at the same time. I've been in the ever so familiar place that all of you have, in the studio. The place where you have a part you want to play, or an idea of what the drum part should be. And it's completely different from what the producer has in mind. What do you do? First of all, you become open! Open to what that person may be hearing. Open to putting your idea aside. Open, to being a musician for hire...LOL. My first position, is to find out EXACTLY what the other guy is hearing. Once I have that down, I start trying to incorporate some of my ideas. But NOT forcefully. If you have a part that the producer isn't feeling, don't turn it into a debate. Ask if there's anything in particular about the part, that's not working. If he says it's the whole thing, then let it be that. Move on!! Remember, in the studio, less is always more. There will always be more parts added, when you leave. Two people that never lie in the studio....Mics and Clicks!!! They will tell the truth on you, brother. So make sure you're tight. For me, I always let the producer tell me to play more. That's just me though. Not a rule, just MY preference. The studio is a great way to make a living, as a musician. I know guys who do that, and nothing else. But they know how to work it. So, get in the studio as much as you can. Learn how to be quick, too. Mics pickup everything, from rattling lugs, to loose cymbals screws, to squeaky kick drum pedals. So make sure your gear is tight and your playing is even tighter. Be prepared to do everything, and come well equipped. Have plenty of sticks, moongel, brushes, mallets, hot rods and cymbals felts. And always, ALWAYS have at least two snare drums. My studio tips, for the day. LOL

BBD, you said a couple things I wanna address. First off, you spoke about kids having the wrong impression about studio drumming. Are you doing anything to help alter this perception, within your community of musicians? Knowledge is power, and I've come to realize that we as musicians of influence have to use that influence for more than getting self accolades. You gotta use that influence to educate cats on what it takes to be a successful musician. I pride myself on sharing this knowledge with everyone who approaches me, and is willing to listen. No matter how young or old! Juse made a great point....the cats that work are the ones that make the right decisions, across the board. Your chops are useless, if they're in the wrong place. BBD, you said I need to step out into the real world. I guess you don't consider Gospel to be the real world, huh? Why is that? Gospel has been, by far, one of the most innovative genres in musical history. You can hardly look at any well known black band/artist and not pick out a church guy. And it's crossing over to the mainstream/pop/country genre too. But even if you don't consider Gospel to be "the real world", have you checked out my resume of CD's, producers and work projects? I live and work in a very real world, bro. One where gas is $4.39/gallon. I fill my tank up twice a week, in this real world. It don't get no realer than that, my dude!!! I've worked in Nashville, NY, and Cali. Not to mention, Chicago. People don't hire Gospel musicians, they hire good ones. Feel me? Bro, you talk about the brotherhood of drummers being broken down. Man, read some of the things you've said on this website about cats like Spanky, or myself. Where's the brotherhood in that? Don't talk about it, be about it!! And I mean that in the most sincere way. You want more studio gigs, stop talking about who getting all the gigs, and do something. Get your self over here to the U.S. and take some of them. I aint trying to play for everybody, I'm only trying to do/have what's for me. Flat 5th said it best, start showing some progress. You mentioned timeless recordings. What makes a recording timeless. The song or the drum part? I think this is a matter of opinion. Sabe talked about the Two Against Nature session, where Vinnie left the note for Mike White. He said "let's make history". I'm a part of history bro. Does that mean my work is timeless? Does it mean it isn't? Sabe, I haven't recorded my timeless track yet, bro. LOL

Audio, I don't think there's anything wrong with pursuing your goals aggressively. If I wanted a new house, but only talked about it.....never checked out my credit score, never made sure all my bills were current, never went into a bank....how would I get that crib? Aggressive isn't a problem, I don't think. Maybe as long as it's done in the right spirit. I was aggressive in pursuing the drum chair with JPK, when Ladell quit, feel me?

As always, please don't take anything I say as being offensive or disrespectful. It is only my opinion, and I'm entitled to it. I only state how I feel, and want to help whoever I can. Holla atcha boy!!!

C-Rod
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: fLaT-fIfTh on June 12, 2008, 07:22:23 PM
I'm doing great man, thanks for asking. The pleasure was still mine!  :)

I hear what you're saying.

Most of us have had the revelation about material things. We know material things can't satisfy. Have we replaced that lust with a lust to be great and recognized?

I just feel like some of us are encouraging these young cats to hustle just like the world everyday is telling us too. The world says go to school, get an education, go to college, get a good job, buy a house, buy a car, get a better job, buy a bigger house, get a better car. You aren't a man without these things, so they say. Go Go Go.

Pretty soon you have a guy who's reached "the top" with no character to show for it. He wouldn't let anything he's accomplished slip out of his hands. What I'm trying to get at is it's not all about us and our shallow, self-seeking goals to be recognized (the goals we feel God called us to). The lie is we will be important when we get there. The lie is we will be happy when the dream gig arrives. God gives us the desires of our hearts, true. But what's missed is the only good desires in us are birthed from seeking God first.

If you do anything aggressively, seek God first. The hustle is over-rated. If you hustle, hustle after a good wife. Build a family.

See? I knew this would happen. We actually don't disagree much at all...just needed to talk it out.
II Timothy 2:15 says, "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a WORKMAN that needeth not to be ashamed..." There is nothing wrong with hard work, doc. It rings true in the natural and spiritual. I think our only discrepency is in defining the worthiness of specific goals. However, we are on the same page.
Hustle after a good wife? Here we also agree. If it be God's will, I will see my 16th wedding anniversary this year. Proverbs 18:22 says, "Whoso findeth a wife, findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favor of the LORD." How can a man findeth lest he seek? My point is, whatever the goal, we must work for it. The higher the goal, the more we must work for it. It's been fun yall! ;D

God bless
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: 3rd-Day on June 12, 2008, 07:23:45 PM
:-X... Just watching. Quite interesting...

I agree with Beat, this is....intense...


Imma chill over here with ya'll :-X
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: j_kay on June 12, 2008, 07:28:56 PM
Holla atcha boy!!!

C-Rod

Uhh, what's good with them signature sticks, hombre?  I sent you a message on myspace.com on 06/08, and I haven't gotten a reply yet...   :-\
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: cdrums116 on June 12, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
Uhh, what's good with them signature sticks, hombre?  I sent you a message on myspace.com on 06/08, and I haven't gotten a reply yet...   :-\

I PM'd you, J_Kay
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: diligent-hands on June 12, 2008, 08:43:58 PM
PREACH C-ROD...ayo cal u crazy and i dont even care that ur 5'6...lol.. but fa real thats what i respect about u and FLAT..not only are u guys musicians YOUR MEN OF GOD..and i love it..we tend to get caught up in the material things or benifets that come along with gigs..but like i tell the up coming cats YOU GOTTA KEEP CHRIST 1ST..AND NOT JUST TALK IT BUT WALK IT....i couldnt sit here and say i could respect CALVIN if he was on tour with NAS, with GAME or a bunch of rap artist because then u contridict urself...but hey thats my opinion..im just dirt...DIRT WITH A PORPUSE..LOL


d.h.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: SabianKnight on June 12, 2008, 09:31:13 PM
Calvin, thanks for dropping in and giving the "name brand" truth as you know it. As well, I hope to be close by when you make you timeless recording  ;).

Audio what's good with you man?! I get where you are coming from however let me shed a little light on your point/path. Remember that we are to work as unto the Lord and in service to Lord it should with with zeal and feverence. many times HIS Word tells us to be diligent, which speaks on aggressiveness, the term prudent is used as well. We are to have dominion but you cannot do that without proving authoritative ability that is confident, bold, fearless, unwavering, wise and unashamed. IMO, flat (Gerald) said it right if we don't someone else will.... We should be aggressive and consistent, constantly seeking wisdom and instruction while keeping our eye on the prise and walking out the vision at hand which is hopefully in our heart. One problem I find is that without passionate and aggressive pursuit of that which is for us we fail to prove our stewardship and forego our "birth rite." We then reproduce after that "unfaithful" kind in our environment (families, communities/churches/schools). The world applies Godly principles better than the church and thereby walk in the kingdoms stuff - because they believe it will work and they work on that belief. If we would aggressively climb a roof and tear it open to get what is for us or climb a tree above the crowd and take the crumbs from the table or go after what we know we are not due like the Roman centurion we might get the joy (power) that the exercise brings. JMO

Proverbs 22:29

Proverbs 20:4, 20:5, 20:6, 20:11, 20:13, 20:18

Proverbs 18:14, 18:15

Proverbs 13:18, 13:22, 15:19, 15:22, 16:3, 13:11, 13:4
 

Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: fLaT-fIfTh on June 12, 2008, 09:51:28 PM
Also noteworthy:  Notice how in the Bible, before God gave Adam a wife, he made sure he had a house and a job!... interesting.

God bless
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: cdrums116 on June 12, 2008, 10:03:48 PM
Also noteworthy:  Notice how in the Bible, before God gave Adam a wife, he made sure he had a house and a job!... interesting.

God bless

NOW THAT'LL PREACH, ALL DAY LONG.

Flat, I'm BOUT to raise you an offering, brotha. LOL

Sabe, again you droppin REAL knowledge. No better way to inform, than by the true book of life. I LOVE IT
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on June 12, 2008, 10:09:59 PM

Imma chill over here with ya'll :-X
Chillin' with you too bro. and not sayin' a word  :-X, while watchin' the Lakers blow a 24 point lead  ::)...
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Natejam71 on June 12, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
Quoting T.O.  ;D "Get the popcorn ready!" Stay Blessed, Nate J.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 12, 2008, 11:06:52 PM
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.... Tired of gospel music? Same sound? Same people? I have been a member of this community for two years now and this board hasn't changed much. Same usernames saying the same stuff. Who here has progressed in two years? Who here has a new gig in two years? Who here has put out a professional recording in two years? What is everyone waiting for???????? Do you assume Calvin is gonna take off his crown and gently place it on your head? ?/? Do you think Spanky is gonna post a thousand Youtube clips breaking down every lick he knows so you can play just like him? ?/? It ain't gonna happen, people! Remember, the problem is you. It is always you!... Look at what you can do differently to bring about change.
If you don't like what Calvin is doing, take it from him. It's just that simple! This is still a free country, at least until Obama is elected... Cats need to get off their behinds and be aggressive about their goals. If you want it, go after it in a ferocious yet methodical way. Anybody here down to do what it takes to get what Calvin has or to get what Spanky has? (Please don't answer that) Otherwise, your gift shall make room for you...right there on your couch!

God bless

To answer your question I have and still am!!! Ive produced & producing new artists, I'm also music producer and production manager for an Canadian indie film and just did the drum tracks for two new Christian Canadian artists the other day... Ive progressed in two years and in Jesus name will grow to greater success LOL, and I disagree with you! It's up to the people in the industry" Producers, Music Directors, Management act." to give new talent a chance! Industries get very comfortable with who the know and will not stray from their posse leaving very talented people out in the cold.

I do agree, one can not sit on their batty and expect success to fall in their lap and anyone who has spoken to me over the phone will tell you that Im always stressing self promotion!!! Again, more industry people need to open the flood gates and give some new talent a try. HELP people who is where tey once were!!!!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on June 12, 2008, 11:19:54 PM
L.V., hit me up lata!

isn't feeling, don't turn it into  debate. Ask if there's anything in particular about the part, that's not working. If he says it's the whole thing, then let it be that. Move on!! Remember, in the studio, less ais always more. There will always be more parts added, when you leave. Two people that never lie in the studio....Mics and Clicks!!! They will tell the truth on you, brother. So make sure you're tight. For me, I always let the producer tell me to play more. That's just me though. Not a rule, just MY preference. The studio is a great way to make a living, as a musician. I know guys who do that, and nothing else. But they know how to work it. So, get in the studio as much as you can. Learn how to be quick, too. Mics pickup everything, from rattling lugs, to loose cymbals screws, to squeaky kick drum pedals. So make sure your gear is tight and your playing is even tighter. Be prepared to do everything, and come well equipped. Have plenty of sticks, moongel, brushes, mallets, hot rods and cymbals felts. And always, ALWAYS have at least two snare drums. My studio tips, for the day. LOL

BBD, you said a couple things I wanna address. First off, you spoke about kids having the wrong impression about studio drumming. Are you doing anything to help alter this perception, within your community of musicians? Knowledge is power, and I've come to realize that we as musicians of influence have to use that influence for more than getting self accolades. You gotta use that influence to educate cats on what it takes to be a successful musician. I pride myself on sharing this knowledge with everyone who approaches me, and is willing to listen. No matter how young or old! Juse made a great point....the cats that work are the ones that make the right decisions, across the board. Your chops are useless, if they're in the wrong place. BBD, you said I need to step out into the real world. I guess you don't consider Gospel to be the real world, huh? Why is that? Gospel has been, by far, one of the most innovative genres in musical history. You can hardly look at any well known black band/artist and not pick out a church guy. And it's crossing over to the mainstream/pop/country genre too. But even if you don't consider Gospel to be "the real world", have you checked out my resume of CD's, producers and work projects? I live and work in a very real world, bro. One where gas is $4.39/gallon. I fill my tank up twice a week, in this real world. It don't get no realer than that, my dude!!! I've worked in Nashville, NY, and Cali. Not to mention, Chicago. People don't hire Gospel musicians, they hire good ones. Feel me? Bro, you talk about the brotherhood of drummers being broken down. Man, read some of the things you've said on this website about cats like Spanky, or myself. Where's the brotherhood in that? Don't talk about it, be about it!! And I mean that in the most sincere way. You want more studio gigs, stop talking about who getting all the gigs, and do something. Get your self over here to the U.S. and take some of them. I aint trying to play for everybody, I'm only trying to do/have what's for me. Flat 5th said it best, start showing some progress. You mentioned timeless recordings. What makes a recording timeless. The song or the drum part? I think this is a matter of opinion. Sabe talked about the Two Against Nature session, where Vinnie left the note for Mike White. He said "let's make history". I'm a part of history bro. Does that mean my work is timeless? Does it mean it isn't? Sabe, I haven't recorded my timeless track yet, bro. LOL

Audio, I don't think there's anything wrong with pursuing your goals aggressively. If I wanted a new house, but only talked about it.....never checked out my credit score, never made sure all my bills were current, never went into a bank....how would I get that crib? Aggressive isn't a problem, I don't think. Maybe as long as it's done in the right spirit. I was aggressive in pursuing the drum chair with JPK, when Ladell quit, feel me?

As always, please don't take anything I say as being offensive or disrespectful. It is only my opinion, and I'm entitled to it. I only state how I feel, and want to help whoever I can. Holla atcha boy!!!

C-Rod

Truth!!!... And Curtis, people are reading what you say about them, be careful bro...And cddrums116, I pay $ 4.53 for reg. unleaded and $4.73 for premium where I live bruh... It's no joke in the REAL WORLD!!!!! Now back to being  :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 13, 2008, 12:21:46 AM

BBD, you said a couple things I wanna address. First off, you spoke about kids having the wrong impression about studio drumming. Are you doing anything to help alter this perception, within your community of musicians? Knowledge is power, and I've come to realize that we as musicians of influence have to use that influence for more than getting self accolades. You gotta use that influence to educate cats on what it takes to be a successful musician. I pride myself on sharing this knowledge with everyone who approaches me, and is willing to listen. No matter how young or old! House made a great point....the cats that work are the ones that make the right decisions, across the board. Your chops are useless, if they're in the wrong place. BBD, you said I need to step out into the real world. I guess you don't consider Gospel to be the real world, huh? Why is that? Gospel has been, by far, one of the most innovative genres in musical history. You can hardly look at any well known black band/artist and not pick out a church guy. And it's crossing over to the mainstream/pop/country genre too. But even if you don't consider Gospel to be "the real world", have you checked out my resume of Cd's, producers and work projects? I live and work in a very real world, bro. One where gas is $4.39/gallon. I fill my tank up twice a week, in this real world. It don't get no realer than that, my dude!!! I've worked in Nashville, NY, and Cali. Not to mention, Chicago. People don't hire Gospel musicians, they hire good ones. Feel me? Bro, you talk about the brotherhood of drummers being broken down. Man, read some of the things you've said on this website about cats like Spanky, or myself. Where's the brotherhood in that? Don't talk about it, be about it!! And I mean that in the most sincere way. You want more studio gigs, stop talking about who getting all the gigs, and do something. Get your self over here to the U.S. and take some of them. I aint trying to play for everybody, I'm only trying to do/have what's for me. Flat 5th said it best, start showing some progress. You mentioned timeless recordings. What makes a recording timeless. The song or the drum part? I think this is a matter of opinion. Sabe talked about the Two Against Nature session, where Vinnie left the note for Mike White. He said "let's make history". I'm a part of history bro. Does that mean my work is timeless? Does it mean it isn't? Sabe, I haven't recorded my timeless track yet, bro. LOL

C-Rod

LOLOLOL, You answered back everyone and I think that speaks wonders to your humbleness. To answer your question; Yes I do. I do what I can to educate and help others. Like you I try to answer back every ones emails, anyone can call me OR when they leave me their number I try to call them back no matter who or where they are... If Im producing a  like all others I have my people BUT I also will use new talented people who have want to gain experience, and yes Ive had people waste my time trying to use them but in the end its giving back to the Kingdom and helping change the life of that person.

Now as for working in the real world I should have explained myself better; I was trying to say (and I do think I explained it.. I might be wrong) I would like to see you cross over into other genres of music  (out side of gospel, r&b , jazz) and see how you do. I wasn't trying to say gospel music is not the real world BUT it is a BOX (box=real world) and Id like to see how you would handle  a Keith Urban or a Avril Levine recording and even concert. Im not saying that you would suck, Im interested to see you would be playing something outside the box. Lets be honest the only reason you are as well known as you are is because you have been successful inside the box.. Outside the box you're not as well known... Good example Thomas Pridgen!!! Like you was known mostly inside the box, dude stepped out and started playing for The Mars Voltas and is now crossing the lines...Get it? Its like 12 something am so I might have some issues getting my point across. I feel for you to be as successful as Kenny Aronoff, J.R. or Paul Liem you need to step outside the box!!! That's why I disagreed with S.K. putting you up there with the people he did.

As for brotherhood breaking down it is and I also said in one of my earlier posts that Ive been guilty of everything I was speaking against!!! I dont always have to agree and sometimes speaking the truth hurts!!! We all taken our bashes on here but we move on sometime it turns into mama jokes and we move on!!!!! We have spoken one on one before and you know Im not someone who is trying to break up the brotherhood!!!

Man if I did live down there you wouldn't be playing as much as you are!!! A lot has changed from when we spoke. I get emails from guys inquiring me to come down quit a bit and maybe I should start... Im a husband and dad and my wife and two little girls are first before me gone for months at a time trying to be a Calvin Rodgers!!! You know as well as I do there has been a lot of divorce happening in the Christian music scene because we neglect our families to the point that our wives start to feel like single parents. Ive been there with mine and it wasn't a nice place to be in... My production company has been keeping me busy and most of my gigs are nights and weekends or studio... So you're lucky!!! But as soon as my wife says honey lets move to the States watch out!!!!

Give it 20 years and we will see if youve recorded your timeless track!!!!!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 13, 2008, 12:25:01 AM
Truth!!!... And Curtis, people are reading what you say about them, be careful bro...And cddrums116, I pay $ 4.53 for reg. unleaded and $4.73 for premium where I live bruh... It's no joke in the REAL WORLD!!!!! Now back to being  :-X :-X :-X :-X

Yo I dont say anything that I wouldnt say to their face.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on June 13, 2008, 12:36:26 AM
LOLOLOL, You answered back everyone and I think that speaks wonders to your humbleness. To answer your question; Yes I do. I do what I can to educate and help others. Like you I try to answer back every ones emails, anyone can call me OR when they leave me their number I try to call them back no matter who or where they are... If Im producing a  like all others I have my people BUT I also will use new talented people who have want to gain experience, and yes Ive had people waste my time trying to use them but in the end its giving back to the Kingdom and helping change the life of that person.

Now as for working in the real world I should have explained myself better; I was trying to say (and I do think I explained it.. I might be wrong) I would like to see you cross over into other genres of music  (out side of gospel, r&b , jazz) and see how you do. I wasn't trying to say gospel music is not the real world BUT it is a BOX (box=real world) and Id like to see how you would handle  a Keith Urban or a Avril Levine recording and even concert. Im not saying that you would suck, Im interested to see you would be playing something outside the box. Lets be honest the only reason you are as well known as you are is because you have been successful inside the box.. Outside the box you're not as well known... Good example Thomas Pridgen!!! Like you was known mostly inside the box, dude stepped out and started playing for The Mars Voltas and is now crossing the lines...Get it? Its like 12 something am so I might have some issues getting my point across. I feel for you to be as successful as Kenny Aronoff, J.R. or Paul Liem you need to step outside the box!!! That's why I disagreed with S.K. putting you up there with the people he did.

As for brotherhood breaking down it is and I also said in one of my earlier posts that Ive been guilty of everything I was speaking against!!! I dont always have to agree and sometimes speaking the truth hurts!!! We all taken our bashes on here but we move on sometime it turns into mama jokes and we move on!!!!! We have spoken one on one before and you know Im not someone who is trying to break up the brotherhood!!!

Man if I did live down there you wouldn't be playing as much as you are!!! A lot has changed from when we spoke. I get emails from guys inquiring me to come down quit a bit and maybe I should start... Im a husband and dad and my wife and two little girls are first before me gone for months at a time trying to be a Calvin Rodgers!!! You know as well as I do there has been a lot of divorce happening in the Christian music scene because we neglect our families to the point that our wives start to feel like single parents. Ive been there with mine and it wasn't a nice place to be in... My production company has been keeping me busy and most of my gigs are nights and weekends or studio... So you're lucky!!! But as soon as my wife says honey lets move to the States watch out!!!!

Give it 20 years and we will see if youve recorded your timeless track!!!!!

 :) :) :) Good Post Curtis!!! ;)... Now back to being   :-X ...
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: fLaT-fIfTh on June 13, 2008, 12:37:02 AM
To answer your question I have and still am!!! Ive produced & producing new artists, I'm also music producer and production manager for an Canadian indie film and just did the drum tracks for two new Christian Canadian artists the other day... Ive progressed in two years and in Jesus name will grow to greater success LOL, and I disagree with you! It's up to the people in the industry" Producers, Music Directors, Management act." to give new talent a chance! Industries get very comfortable with who the know and will not stray from their posse leaving very talented people out in the cold.

I do agree, one can not sit on their batty and expect success to fall in their lap and anyone who has spoken to me over the phone will tell you that Im always stressing self promotion!!! Again, more industry people need to open the flood gates and give some new talent a try. HELP people who is where tey once were!!!!

Congrats on your achievements, man. Also, thank you for not taking offense to my ramblings. I truly meant no harm. I'm just trying to help somebody...
On the next point, I guess I'm just wired differently because of my life experience. I don't expect people to give me anything because they never have. So, I'm not surprised when they don't. If the "industry" won't produce, promote, manufacture, or distribute mine, I'll do it myself. I'll build my own fire and make it so hot that the "industry" will want to come warm by it... and if they don't, I'll make my own industry.
This is one of my biggest problems with "us." There is a certain segment of U.S. society that has been programmed to expect people to give them things, as opposed to working for things. It bothers me greatly. Right now the black community is going crazy because we think a black president will somehow "give" us something... ROFLOL!

God bless
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: seemunny on June 13, 2008, 12:47:07 AM

Chops in a foundational or classical music sense infers that one can play anything placed in front of them without effort and can through theory place place things accordingly in a musical situation instinctively. Instinctively implies that the senses have been honed to make a split-second decision based on the the skills mastered and the understandings thereof and through anticipation answer a question/situation (musical in this case) before it is even asked. That brings about discovery and expansion of the arena/craft it is applied to. These things came through the musicians guild and various other guilds (unions) of old. That gets you noticed... Question is who is it that folk want to notice them and what is their value in character. The gifted were taken on as apprentice and released to be themselves when they had proven mastery. Even then they were representative of their "fathers"/masters (teachers) until they had built up their own creditials. When I previously said the list was too short it was to encourage a return to this system of thought which proved to make one greatly admired and used and recorded in the history of what they did as a profession. The fore mentioned session players will always be remembered because their work is documented in proven value.

Man, that sound like "Bruce Lee Drumming!"....Just like "Jeet Kun Do"  "The Way Of The Intercepting Drum"  :o

Be able to effortlessly adapt to the moment:

"you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup,
You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle,
You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Now, water can *flow* or it can *CRASH*!
Be water, my friend.

Bruce Lee

Now go work on ya kick!! 8)
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: dude-on-drums on June 13, 2008, 12:52:02 AM
I have never eatin so much popcorn in my life!  Hey dilligent, pass me the e-butter!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on June 13, 2008, 12:57:22 AM
I have never eatin so much popcorn in my life!  Hey dilligent, pass me the e-butter!

Well  hello there my dude! How are you? I see that you're off work  ;D I'M about to hit you on your cell...  ;)
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: seemunny on June 13, 2008, 12:58:15 AM
I have never eatin so much popcorn in my life!  Hey dilligent, pass me the e-butter!

And after you get done, just like "Bruce Lee" said: "drink water my friend" (or som'n like that) 8)
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 13, 2008, 01:16:29 AM
Congrats on your achievements, man. Also, thank you for not taking offense to my ramblings. I truly meant no harm. I'm just trying to help somebody...
On the next point, I guess I'm just wired differently because of my life experience. I don't expect people to give me anything because they never have. So, I'm not surprised when they don't. If the "industry" won't produce, promote, manufacture, or distribute mine, I'll do it myself. I'll build my own fire and make it so hot that the "industry" will want to come warm by it... and if they don't, I'll make my own industry.
This is one of my biggest problems with "us." There is a certain segment of U.S. society that has been programmed to expect people to give them things, as opposed to working for things. It bothers me greatly. Right now the black community is going crazy because we think a black president will somehow "give" us something... ROFLOL!

God bless

Dude I fully agree with you. Im always telling artists to self promote. Do it for yourself. But my point is that industry leaders who have made it can open the door a crack to make the lives of others who are struggling a bit easier. Example, what you are doing and what your shows are about! If it weren't for you I would never have known who some of these Cali bay area gospel drummers were, and its because of you cracking open that door they now have walked into the fame they have.

God bless you too, get off your butt and lets do a Canadian Shed Sessions!!!! Ill help you get the right people!!!!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: b_jizzle20 on June 13, 2008, 01:18:27 AM
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Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 13, 2008, 01:28:24 AM
Alright, for all you lazy folks...

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Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: diligent-hands on June 13, 2008, 09:42:57 AM
*hands butter to SHEEN*....

cable tv is overated...lol  i love this...cats that are in christ able to speak with icons in our lives cats that we look up too cats that inspire us..... u cant find this no where else.. but only at......  LGM!!!!!



DiLiGeNtHaNdS..... 8)
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Natejam71 on June 13, 2008, 12:05:40 PM
*hands butter to SHEEN*....

cable tv is overated...lol  i love this...cats that are in christ able to speak with icons in our lives cats that we look up too cats that inspire us..... u cant find this no where else.. but only at......  LGM!!!!!



DiLiGeNtHaNdS..... 8)

Yeah, Diligent and Sheen don't eat all the popcorn the rest of the lgm fam want some too..this is getting good..cddrums, bbd, flatfifth, and sabe made some excellent points.....Stay Blessed, Nate J.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Audiocr381ve on June 13, 2008, 02:09:26 PM
See? I knew this would happen. We actually don't disagree much at all...just needed to talk it out.
II Timothy 2:15 says, "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a WORKMAN that needeth not to be ashamed..." There is nothing wrong with hard work, doc. It rings true in the natural and spiritual. I think our only discrepency is in defining the worthiness of specific goals. However, we are on the same page.
Hustle after a good wife? Here we also agree. If it be God's will, I will see my 16th wedding anniversary this year. Proverbs 18:22 says, "Whoso findeth a wife, findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favor of the LORD." How can a man findeth lest he seek? My point is, whatever the goal, we must work for it. The higher the goal, the more we must work for it. It's been fun yall! ;D

God bless

Calvin, thanks for dropping in and giving the "name brand" truth as you know it. As well, I hope to be close by when you make you timeless recording  ;).

Audio what's good with you man?! I get where you are coming from however let me shed a little light on your point/path. Remember that we are to work as unto the Lord and in service to Lord it should with with zeal and feverence. many times HIS Word tells us to be diligent, which speaks on aggressiveness, the term prudent is used as well. We are to have dominion but you cannot do that without proving authoritative ability that is confident, bold, fearless, unwavering, wise and unashamed. IMO, flat (Gerald) said it right if we don't someone else will.... We should be aggressive and consistent, constantly seeking wisdom and instruction while keeping our eye on the prise and walking out the vision at hand which is hopefully in our heart. One problem I find is that without passionate and aggressive pursuit of that which is for us we fail to prove our stewardship and forego our "birth rite." We then reproduce after that "unfaithful" kind in our environment (families, communities/churches/schools). The world applies Godly principles better than the church and thereby walk in the kingdoms stuff - because they believe it will work and they work on that belief. If we would aggressively climb a roof and tear it open to get what is for us or climb a tree above the crowd and take the crumbs from the table or go after what we know we are not due like the Roman centurion we might get the joy (power) that the exercise brings. JMO

Proverbs 22:29

Proverbs 20:4, 20:5, 20:6, 20:11, 20:13, 20:18

Proverbs 18:14, 18:15

Proverbs 13:18, 13:22, 15:19, 15:22, 16:3, 13:11, 13:4
 



L.V., hit me up lata!

LGM, what's good with you guys? Hope all is well with you and your families. I'm doing well, staying busy. Ready to enjoy some warm weather, ya know!!

So anyway, I come through here every so often, mainly to see what clips yall are posting. I read the threads sometimes, but a lot of times I don't. Mainly because you have to understand that it can be kind of hard to see what your so called "brothers" think and say about you. I'm a very nonchalant kind of dude, so I don't really let MUCH get to me. But when you are as passionate as I am about music, and work so hard to portray it, only to have people tear it down at times....that can be a little frustrating, to say the least. I've read some pretty interesting things about myself on here. All ranging from my skill as a musician, to my walk with Christ, to my sexuality. And it aint all been positive. And just think....this is a Christian forum. Not only that, but a drum forum at that. If nowehre else, I should want to come and fellowship via internet with my brothers. Now, I'm not coming on here to whine about who does or doesn't like me. And I am gonna give my opinion on the topic at hand. But I also want to address a couple things said on here, as well.

The studio thing, as Juse/Sabe/D.O.D./so many others said, is all about making the producer happy. Plain and simple, it's politics. You make the producers happy, you get more calls. The trick is finding a way to make the producer happy, and feel good about your track all at the same time. I've been in the ever so familiar place that all of you have, in the studio. The place where you have a part you want to play, or an idea of what the drum part should be. And it's completely different from what the producer has in mind. What do you do? First of all, you become open! Open to what that person may be hearing. Open to putting your idea aside. Open, to being a musician for hire...LOL. My first position, is to find out EXACTLY what the other guy is hearing. Once I have that down, I start trying to incorporate some of my ideas. But NOT forcefully. If you have a part that the producer isn't feeling, don't turn it into a debate. Ask if there's anything in particular about the part, that's not working. If he says it's the whole thing, then let it be that. Move on!! Remember, in the studio, less is always more. There will always be more parts added, when you leave. Two people that never lie in the studio....Mics and Clicks!!! They will tell the truth on you, brother. So make sure you're tight. For me, I always let the producer tell me to play more. That's just me though. Not a rule, just MY preference. The studio is a great way to make a living, as a musician. I know guys who do that, and nothing else. But they know how to work it. So, get in the studio as much as you can. Learn how to be quick, too. Mics pickup everything, from rattling lugs, to loose cymbals screws, to squeaky kick drum pedals. So make sure your gear is tight and your playing is even tighter. Be prepared to do everything, and come well equipped. Have plenty of sticks, moongel, brushes, mallets, hot rods and cymbals felts. And always, ALWAYS have at least two snare drums. My studio tips, for the day. LOL

BBD, you said a couple things I wanna address. First off, you spoke about kids having the wrong impression about studio drumming. Are you doing anything to help alter this perception, within your community of musicians? Knowledge is power, and I've come to realize that we as musicians of influence have to use that influence for more than getting self accolades. You gotta use that influence to educate cats on what it takes to be a successful musician. I pride myself on sharing this knowledge with everyone who approaches me, and is willing to listen. No matter how young or old! Juse made a great point....the cats that work are the ones that make the right decisions, across the board. Your chops are useless, if they're in the wrong place. BBD, you said I need to step out into the real world. I guess you don't consider Gospel to be the real world, huh? Why is that? Gospel has been, by far, one of the most innovative genres in musical history. You can hardly look at any well known black band/artist and not pick out a church guy. And it's crossing over to the mainstream/pop/country genre too. But even if you don't consider Gospel to be "the real world", have you checked out my resume of CD's, producers and work projects? I live and work in a very real world, bro. One where gas is $4.39/gallon. I fill my tank up twice a week, in this real world. It don't get no realer than that, my dude!!! I've worked in Nashville, NY, and Cali. Not to mention, Chicago. People don't hire Gospel musicians, they hire good ones. Feel me? Bro, you talk about the brotherhood of drummers being broken down. Man, read some of the things you've said on this website about cats like Spanky, or myself. Where's the brotherhood in that? Don't talk about it, be about it!! And I mean that in the most sincere way. You want more studio gigs, stop talking about who getting all the gigs, and do something. Get your self over here to the U.S. and take some of them. I aint trying to play for everybody, I'm only trying to do/have what's for me. Flat 5th said it best, start showing some progress. You mentioned timeless recordings. What makes a recording timeless. The song or the drum part? I think this is a matter of opinion. Sabe talked about the Two Against Nature session, where Vinnie left the note for Mike White. He said "let's make history". I'm a part of history bro. Does that mean my work is timeless? Does it mean it isn't? Sabe, I haven't recorded my timeless track yet, bro. LOL

Audio, I don't think there's anything wrong with pursuing your goals aggressively. If I wanted a new house, but only talked about it.....never checked out my credit score, never made sure all my bills were current, never went into a bank....how would I get that crib? Aggressive isn't a problem, I don't think. Maybe as long as it's done in the right spirit. I was aggressive in pursuing the drum chair with JPK, when Ladell quit, feel me?

As always, please don't take anything I say as being offensive or disrespectful. It is only my opinion, and I'm entitled to it. I only state how I feel, and want to help whoever I can. Holla atcha boy!!!

C-Rod

I appreciate you guys. I see where I might have missed it and I've learned from all that was said. This is what the board needs more often. It's awesome when we can work together to accomplish what this board was created for, LEARNING.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Natejam71 on June 13, 2008, 03:26:58 PM
Is Kirk Franklin making timeless music?...He has had a few hit records that people seem to play through the years....He has had musician that have been popular and not so popular play on his albums...I am still confused.....what is classified as timeless music when it comes to gospel music?...I do believe that Kirk Franklin and Fred Hammond have produced timeless classics and of course the musicians have helped make those albums classics...Gospel (Contemporary Christian music included arguably) is still relatively young...Another question comes to mind....does music sales classify these albums as classics or timeless?...Excuse for my terminology and using the terms classics and timeless interchangeably....Though BBD makes some valid points but it also remains that in gospel music we do not give ourselves enough credit for our creativity...After all as flatfifth did state rnb groups and evens rock groups have used gospel musicians for many years...why cause  we are gifted and cheap...Ronald bruner, Thomas Pridgen, J.D. Blair, Spanky,  Calvin Rodgers , Terry campbell, Gerald heyward, Nisan Stewart, Aaron Spears, and the list goes on and on are getting gigs and have played on many artist albums...have they made timeless classics, I don't know....are they given the opportunity is another question that is needed to  be asked....I don't know....I am just asking questions...Stay Blessed, Nate J.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 13, 2008, 05:59:20 PM
Like I said give it 20 years and we will see.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: diligent-hands on June 13, 2008, 08:20:01 PM
Like I said give it 20 years and we will see.


20 YEARS???ill be caught by then...lol.. so if yall miss the rapture i hope ur music plans work out...

ayo NATE stop by the store and pick up some hot wings and a gallon of sweat tea..DEANS is fine with me..


D.H.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: L.V.Drumma on June 13, 2008, 08:59:42 PM

20 YEARS???ill be caught by then...lol.. so if yall miss the rapture i hope ur music plans work out...

ayo NATE stop by the store and pick up some hot wings and a gallon of sweat tea..DEANS is fine with me..

D.H.

You got some hot wings gas money? lol.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: dude-on-drums on June 13, 2008, 09:11:55 PM
First giving honor to God and the pastor of this house, 4hisglory.  The deacons of this room, Juse and Sabe.  And to all the drumming saints who are blessed with eyes to read this thread.  ***I would insert a grin smiley but I'm on my PDA and I don't have that option lol*** 

This is indeed a grown man thread.  Strictly for the big boys.  So since I have a big boy audience, I decided not to start another thread by asking my question here.  I'm asking the deacons to bare with me as I stray from the subject of this thread but inquire about an issue that has stemed from previous statements here.

BBD you have stated that you have a family.  I know that a few of us do.  To this day, I still havnt brought myself to the point where I can leave my daughter to hustle on the road as a musician.  I have responsibilities that I must maintain for me and my child such as health insurance, dental insurance, retirement, child support, parent and teacher conferences and so on.  For those of you on the road with families, how do you balance.  This is a little personal but I actually lost my marriage to the game and it was on a local level.  I can't imagine how much faster I wouldve lost it if I was on a national level. 

I mean I went to a drum clinic to see steve ferone, steve smith, don f., and mike manginni, and these guys were talking about how they have lost their families as well to their craft.  I look on myspace and I see spanky missing his daughter's birthday and I'm sympathising like man our daughters are around the same age.  I don't know how I would deal with that.  I know calvin has a son, flat and beatboxer have kids.

If there is anyone out there who wouldn't mind sharing how to balance, (if there's such a thing) please do.  I'm sure everyone has different ways of handling business.  I'm just trying to see what's really good since no one really ever talks about it.



Respectfully,
Sheen
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Lildrummaboy66 on June 13, 2008, 09:34:32 PM
Congrats on your achievements, man. Also, thank you for not taking offense to my ramblings. I truly meant no harm. I'm just trying to help somebody...
On the next point, I guess I'm just wired differently because of my life experience. I don't expect people to give me anything because they never have. So, I'm not surprised when they don't. If the "industry" won't produce, promote, manufacture, or distribute mine, I'll do it myself. I'll build my own fire and make it so hot that the "industry" will want to come warm by it... and if they don't, I'll make my own industry.
This is one of my biggest problems with "us." There is a certain segment of U.S. society that has been programmed to expect people to give them things, as opposed to working for things. It bothers me greatly. Right now the black community is going crazy because we think a black president will somehow "give" us something... ROFLOL!

God bless

Not to take away from this thread, but aint that the truth bruh? We think we are owed something as well. I'l leave it at that.
Be blessed
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: 3rd-Day on June 14, 2008, 08:15:41 AM
First giving honor to God and the pastor of this house, 4hisglory.  The deacons of this room, Juse and Sabe.  And to all the drumming saints who are blessed with eyes to read this thread.  ***I would insert a grin smiley but I'm on my PDA and I don't have that option lol*** 

This is indeed a grown man thread.  Strictly for the big boys.  So since I have a big boy audience, I decided not to start another thread by asking my question here.  I'm asking the deacons to bare with me as I stray from the subject of this thread but inquire about an issue that has stemed from previous statements here.

BBD you have stated that you have a family.  I know that a few of us do.  To this day, I still havnt brought myself to the point where I can leave my daughter to hustle on the road as a musician.  I have responsibilities that I must maintain for me and my child such as health insurance, dental insurance, retirement, child support, parent and teacher conferences and so on.  For those of you on the road with families, how do you balance.  This is a little personal but I actually lost my marriage to the game and it was on a local level.  I can't imagine how much faster I wouldve lost it if I was on a national level. 

I mean I went to a drum clinic to see steve ferone, steve smith, don f., and mike manginni, and these guys were talking about how they have lost their families as well to their craft.  I look on myspace and I see spanky missing his daughter's birthday and I'm sympathising like man our daughters are around the same age.  I don't know how I would deal with that.  I know calvin has a son, flat and beatboxer have kids.

If there is anyone out there who wouldn't mind sharing how to balance, (if there's such a thing) please do.  I'm sure everyone has different ways of handling business.  I'm just trying to see what's really good since no one really ever talks about it.



Respectfully,
Sheen

Now this is real talk and its just in time for Fathers Day. Lets get into some grown folk talking. What an excellent and very important question.   All of those things in bold are very important.  Teachers and Parents conferences are very important especially for Fathers. Seeing Mommy show up is one thing, but when the Staff and Principles know who Daddy is because he can show up just as easy as Mom can and sometimes unannounced, now thats Huge.

Imma be chillin somewhere over here awaiting the wisdom------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------>   

By the way Happy Fathers Day to all the Fathers reading this! 

D.O.D. excellent execution!  Definetly worthy of a grammy nomination for Best LGM Thread High Jack.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Da_Drumma on June 14, 2008, 08:37:53 AM
First giving honor to God and the pastor of this house, 4hisglory.  The deacons of this room, Juse and Sabe.  And to all the drumming saints who are blessed with eyes to read this thread.  ***I would insert a grin smiley but I'm on my PDA and I don't have that option lol*** 

This is indeed a grown man thread.  Strictly for the big boys.  So since I have a big boy audience, I decided not to start another thread by asking my question here.  I'm asking the deacons to bare with me as I stray from the subject of this thread but inquire about an issue that has stemed from previous statements here.

BBD you have stated that you have a family.  I know that a few of us do.  To this day, I still havnt brought myself to the point where I can leave my daughter to hustle on the road as a musician.  I have responsibilities that I must maintain for me and my child such as health insurance, dental insurance, retirement, child support, parent and teacher conferences and so on.  For those of you on the road with families, how do you balance.  This is a little personal but I actually lost my marriage to the game and it was on a local level.  I can't imagine how much faster I wouldve lost it if I was on a national level. 

I mean I went to a drum clinic to see steve ferone, steve smith, don f., and mike manginni, and these guys were talking about how they have lost their families as well to their craft.  I look on myspace and I see spanky missing his daughter's birthday and I'm sympathising like man our daughters are around the same age.  I don't know how I would deal with that.  I know calvin has a son, flat and beatboxer have kids.

If there is anyone out there who wouldn't mind sharing how to balance, (if there's such a thing) please do.  I'm sure everyone has different ways of handling business.  I'm just trying to see what's really good since no one really ever talks about it.



Respectfully,
Sheen

Im fortunate to have a wife thats in the music industry as well, so it kind of (noticed I said kind of) works out for my good. There is an understanding of what it takes to be in the music scene. Alot of times I get my gigs just because of her, so its like someone finds out she can sang......and I mean sang!!!! and at the same time find out that I can play, and alot of times we are traveling together on the same gigs. At the same time sometimes we arent, and we have 4 kids!!!! The key is to me is making your wife appreciate you, helping out as much as you can while your home, and doing as much as yoyu can while away. While your home watch the kids let her go out as much as she wants, at the same time pay someone to watch the kids or send to grandmas so yall can spend time together. I had to pay someone (A family member) to watch our kids for two days.....2 days!!! But it was all worth it, we spent the much needed time together that we needed. In the end she appreciate everything you try to do for her, and if shes real she will see the sacrifice. If your away, when you call make sure everything is okay. If there are any arrangements you can make while youre gone, make em. If you can afford to fly her in sometimes, then do it. Point is do all that you can do, even if it puts a burden on you, youre putting a burden on her right??? Let her know you appreciate her!!! Keep the fire burning in the relationship. God wants you to first take care of your home, that is in his word!!! Everything else he will then handle. He will create doors to open that will be an accessability to your career. Anyways to sum it up, do all that you can to accomodate her. If you can't it just may not be time for you to travel!!!!!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Tuga on June 14, 2008, 09:20:27 AM
Now this is real talk and its just in time for Fathers Day. Lets get into some grown folk talking. What an excellent and very important question.   All of those things in bold are very important.  Teachers and Parents conferences are very important especially for Fathers. Seeing Mommy show up is one thing, but when the Staff and Principles know who Daddy is because he can show up just as easy as Mom can and sometimes unannounced, now thats Huge.

Imma be chillin somewhere over here awaiting the wisdom------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------>   

By the way Happy Fathers Day to all the Fathers reading this! 

D.O.D. excellent execution!  Definetly worthy of a grammy nomination for Best LGM Thread High Jack.



Best thread I've seen in a long time!

This is tough because everybody's situation is different but let me tell you, if it wasn't for my wife, there is NO WAY I would be on the road.  She's my rock!!!  I basically got married in May 02' then joined the band and hit the road in June 02' so thats all we know.  We also have a strong supporting cast too.(grandmas and grandpas)  I think it would be a lot harder on her if they wasn't around. 

I got 2 kids, 8 year old boy and 2 year old daughter.  I think the hardest thing for me is my boy lives with his mom,(doesn't live with my wife and me) so I'm missing a lot there already.  Me and her (baby momma) have gone to parent teacher stuff way after the real conferences are over or sometimes we gotta tag team discipline on the phone.  Its tough.  Communication is the key!(praying, disciplining, encouraging, etc...)   My son actually tours with me over the summer except for fly dates. 

I think the family at home just needs to know that you care and that you're there!!!(even if you're hundreds of miles away)  I know wife don't wanna be hearing about how bad the monitor guy is! LOL

As for the health insurances, dental, etc......the family is under my wife's coverage.
By the way....... if any of you do tour or gigs for a living let me tell you....... GET SOME INSURANCE!!!
Our gtr player torn his ACL during a show a couple of years ago and didn't have insurance.  His doctors bill was 25K!!!  The bad thing is we was telling for years to go get some coverage.  He learned the hard way!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: baldeagle on June 14, 2008, 01:25:33 PM
First giving honor to God and the pastor of this house, 4hisglory.  The deacons of this room, Juse and Sabe.  And to all the drumming saints who are blessed with eyes to read this thread.  ***I would insert a grin smiley but I'm on my PDA and I don't have that option lol*** 

This is indeed a grown man thread.  Strictly for the big boys.  So since I have a big boy audience, I decided not to start another thread by asking my question here.  I'm asking the deacons to bare with me as I stray from the subject of this thread but inquire about an issue that has stemed from previous statements here.

BBD you have stated that you have a family.  I know that a few of us do.  To this day, I still havnt brought myself to the point where I can leave my daughter to hustle on the road as a musician.  I have responsibilities that I must maintain for me and my child such as health insurance, dental insurance, retirement, child support, parent and teacher conferences and so on.  For those of you on the road with families, how do you balance.  This is a little personal but I actually lost my marriage to the game and it was on a local level.  I can't imagine how much faster I wouldve lost it if I was on a national level. 

I mean I went to a drum clinic to see steve ferone, steve smith, don f., and mike manginni, and these guys were talking about how they have lost their families as well to their craft.  I look on myspace and I see spanky missing his daughter's birthday and I'm sympathising like man our daughters are around the same age.  I don't know how I would deal with that.  I know calvin has a son, flat and beatboxer have kids.

If there is anyone out there who wouldn't mind sharing how to balance, (if there's such a thing) please do.  I'm sure everyone has different ways of handling business.  I'm just trying to see what's really good since no one really ever talks about it.



Respectfully,
Sheen

If you lost your marriage (serious) to the game (fun) your priorities weren't right in the first place. Check Genesis. . . before there was church, there was marriage. Before there was music, there was marriage. Before there were kids, there was marriage (a lot of us don't like hearing that, but that's what GOD did). God has a specific reason for doing things the way He does. If marriage was the first institution in the Bible, then obviously He expects us to make it first in our lives. In the New Testament, the Bible tells husbands to love their wives even as Christ loved the church, AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT!!! Jesus was in Heaven with God living fine, but because He loved us, He gave up what He really would like to doing, so He could take a less-enjoyable job and physically be with us and provide for us.

Nowadays, nobody cares about the specifics of the Bible, especially if it goes against what we WANT to do anyway. So I already know someone is going to refute this (even if not on the forum). But the Bible is what it is... THE standard. If your marriage will suffer, get rid of something else... not the marriage.

Be blessed. And obedient.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: diligent-hands on June 14, 2008, 02:03:10 PM
If you lost your marriage (serious) to the game (fun) your priorities weren't right in the first place. Check Genesis. . . before there was church, there was marriage. Before there was music, there was marriage. Before there were kids, there was marriage (a lot of us don't like hearing that, but that's what GOD did). God has a specific reason for doing things the way He does. If marriage was the first institution in the Bible, then obviously He expects us to make it first in our lives. In the New Testament, the Bible tells husbands to love their wives even as Christ loved the church, AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT!!! Jesus was in Heaven with God living fine, but because He loved us, He gave up what He really would like to doing, so He could take a less-enjoyable job and physically be with us and provide for us.Nowadays, nobody cares about the specifics of the Bible, especially if it goes against what we WANT to do anyway. So I already know someone is going to refute this (even if not on the forum). But the Bible is what it is... THE standard. If your marriage will suffer, get rid of something else... not the marriage.Be blessed. And obedient.
MESSAGE!!!!!!!!!!!.. that boy preaching now

D.H.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: dude-on-drums on June 14, 2008, 02:27:12 PM
First off I want to thank those of you who shared their stories prior to Bald Eagle's response.  There is some good food here.  Eat up.


Now to address bald eagle's statement.  Do you really think I lost my marriage because I couldn't stay away from sheds till 2:00 in the morning?  When I said "game" I didn't mean "fun."  I meant the hustle of a musician trying to earn money, put food on the table for the family and at the same time fulfill your personal desires and dreams.  I'm glad to see that MOST of you understood that.


I said this topic is for the big boys.  I know I said it cause I was right here when I typed it lol.  I know I said "big boys" cause you quoted me.  So be a big boy and stay with us.  This conversation is not going in the direction you're trying to take it.  There is no need for anyone to be commercial right now.  No need to read out of context like a hustling preacher with all the answers to questions nobody's asking...


Now, let's get back to this wonderful Father's Day meal.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: diligent-hands on June 14, 2008, 02:33:13 PM
SHEEN is crazy..lol.. someone pass the potato salad and cornbread please....


D.H.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: cdrums116 on June 14, 2008, 02:59:14 PM
First giving honor to God and the pastor of this house, 4hisglory.  The deacons of this room, Juse and Sabe.  And to all the drumming saints who are blessed with eyes to read this thread.  ***I would insert a grin smiley but I'm on my PDA and I don't have that option lol*** 

This is indeed a grown man thread.  Strictly for the big boys.  So since I have a big boy audience, I decided not to start another thread by asking my question here.  I'm asking the deacons to bare with me as I stray from the subject of this thread but inquire about an issue that has stemed from previous statements here.

BBD you have stated that you have a family.  I know that a few of us do.  To this day, I still havnt brought myself to the point where I can leave my daughter to hustle on the road as a musician.  I have responsibilities that I must maintain for me and my child such as health insurance, dental insurance, retirement, child support, parent and teacher conferences and so on.  For those of you on the road with families, how do you balance.  This is a little personal but I actually lost my marriage to the game and it was on a local level.  I can't imagine how much faster I wouldve lost it if I was on a national level. 

I mean I went to a drum clinic to see steve ferone, steve smith, don f., and mike manginni, and these guys were talking about how they have lost their families as well to their craft.  I look on myspace and I see spanky missing his daughter's birthday and I'm sympathising like man our daughters are around the same age.  I don't know how I would deal with that.  I know calvin has a son, flat and beatboxer have kids.

If there is anyone out there who wouldn't mind sharing how to balance, (if there's such a thing) please do.  I'm sure everyone has different ways of handling business.  I'm just trying to see what's really good since no one really ever talks about it.



Respectfully,
Sheen

Real talk dude, cuz this is a real issue. I have two children man, a boy and a girl. My son is like my shadow bruh. He's a drummer, and a straight up daddy's boy, just like I was. My daughter completely changed my life and way of thinking too. I don't see my children nearly as much as I'd like to. I don't make every school event, like I'd like to. Sometimes I don't even get to talk to them, like I want to. Man, this is a life I prayed and asked GOD for. And in this walk, I've made some critical mistakes(not saying my children are mistakes at all). It's hard to do this, when you don't have a supportive/understanding spouse. It's like, if I stay home I don't meet my quota. If I leave, I miss picking the kids up. I've had to alter my life drastically at times, to be THERE. And it aint inexpensive either. But God has called me to this, so I have to find a way to make it work. I state in my clinics all the time that being called to minister to the masses can cost you everything. Sometimes(most times), we make the wrong decisions. Always thinking...."I'll catch it next time". I'll be the first to say that I'm guilty of this. But it is my daily prayer that God would enlarge my territory, so that I don't have to make these kind of decisions. I want the big records, the big songs....not so that I can make my name great. But so that I can better provide(financially, physically and emotionally) for my family. I tell guys all the time that we have to understand that THIS life isn't for everyone. Some of our families can't handle us being gone for months at a time. I think a lot of times we feel like if we're good enough, we should be out on the road. But if we're ALL out on the road, WHO'S GONNA BE AT CHURCH ON SUNDAY? I could go on and on about this matter. Here's a challenge....
Start praying for your brothers in Christ, who are doing this. It aint easy at all!!!
Luv yall much....HOLLA

C-Rod
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on June 14, 2008, 04:19:05 PM
Yes indeed this here is for grown men only! I was done with trying to be that superstar drummer/musician when I had my second son in 96'.  It wasn't in my deck of cards to be away from my children, on the road trying to forefill my so-called childhood dream. My role was to be a husband and father. Not touring on the road for long stays anyway from my family.
I've been with my wife for 14yrs, and married for over 10 1/2 years. I have three beautiful children, 2boys, my oldest is 17, my youngest boy is 12. I have a daughter, and she is 10. There is no time for me to be away from home trying to be a full-time touring drummer. Like Kevin said, medical insurance is a must! Unless you can afford to pay a $25,000 bill with the gigs you have, then you better get some for your family.
My 17 yr old is a busy kid. He's a talented student-althele and participate in many AAU events all over the West Coast. My litttle boy is just busy being a kid. He likes to swim, play football and Tae-Kwon-Do. My daughter is a dancer/cheerleader and she goes on long trips.
All that takes lots of time, money and insurance.
For you drummers who are able to travel to all parts of the globe and maintain a fatherly relationship with your children, God Bless you. I chose to put others before myself, because there is no balance when you're not at home naturing your seeds.

Great post Kevin, much respect lil bro. I'm quite sure that you would have been on the cover of Modern Drummer if you would have been selfish and allowed your passion for music to dictate your relationship with your daughter.

Trust that it will all comeback to you God's way!!!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 14, 2008, 04:39:02 PM
Ill be honest with you guys... God has called us to be ministers to our families first!!! I disagree with people who believe "being called to minister to the masses can cost you everything"! Im not trying to nail on Calvin, Ive heard many people say the same thing. Look at the usual out come of that sort or thinking: Divorce, Unhappiness, Neglect, Emotional Break Down, Teenage girls looking for a Dad by having sex with men, Cheating, drug abuse and so on and so on!!! DID God call up to live like that? NO! And its even worse when they use Jesus name to back it up.

LOOK at all the messed up children of ministers, musicians, actors, why? Neglect! No matter where I am (I do short tours or have to be away weekends) I call everyday to talk to my wife and kids, if Grandma has to keep them overnight I call Grandma too. Once we have children that our ministry, they are way more then a mouth to feed and backs to clothe

It is harder to be married and be a touring musician!!! At the end of the day your Spouse is not a slave (especially if they hold down jobs). Why should they always be watching children, cleaning the house, cooking and living life as a single parent! THAT JUST OPENS THE DOOR TO SOME REAL EXTREEM MARITAL ISSUES LIKE CHEATING.

There has to be balance! That's why I do production and sometimes have practices at my home. Go on date nights, take the kids with me when I head out to the store and stuff and work a day job.
I started treating my wife like a slave and I almost lost everything!!!!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: dude-on-drums on June 14, 2008, 05:25:12 PM
Real talk dude, cuz this is a real issue. I have two children man, a boy and a girl. My son is like my shadow bruh. He's a drummer, and a straight up daddy's boy, just like I was. My daughter completely changed my life and way of thinking too. I don't see my children nearly as much as I'd like to. I don't make every school event, like I'd like to. Sometimes I don't even get to talk to them, like I want to. Man, this is a life I prayed and asked GOD for. And in this walk, I've made some critical mistakes(not saying my children are mistakes at all). It's hard to do this, when you don't have a supportive/understanding spouse. It's like, if I stay home I don't meet my quota. If I leave, I miss picking the kids up. I've had to alter my life drastically at times, to be THERE. And it aint inexpensive either. But God has called me to this, so I have to find a way to make it work. I state in my clinics all the time that being called to minister to the masses can cost you everything. Sometimes(most times), we make the wrong decisions. Always thinking...."I'll catch it next time". I'll be the first to say that I'm guilty of this. But it is my daily prayer that God would enlarge my territory, so that I don't have to make these kind of decisions. I want the big records, the big songs....not so that I can make my name great. But so that I can better provide(financially, physically and emotionally) for my family. I tell guys all the time that we have to understand that THIS life isn't for everyone. Some of our families can't handle us being gone for months at a time. I think a lot of times we feel like if we're good enough, we should be out on the road. But if we're ALL out on the road, WHO'S GONNA BE AT CHURCH ON SUNDAY? I could go on and on about this matter. Here's a challenge....
Start praying for your brothers in Christ, who are doing this. It aint easy at all!!!
Luv yall much....HOLLA

C-Rod


Man I'm glad you put that out there cause I never saw it that way before.  You most definately have my prayers bro and a whole new respect for what youre about, on and off the drum throne.  God bless.


Yes indeed this here is for grown men only! I was done with trying to be that superstar drummer/musician when I had my second son in 96'.  It wasn't in my deck of cards to be away from my children, on the road trying to forefill my so-called childhood dream. My role was to be a husband and father. Not touring on the road for long stays anyway from my family.

I've been with my wife for 14yrs, and married for over 10 1/2 years. I have three beautiful children, 2boys, my oldest is 17, my youngest boy is 12. I have a daughter, and she is 10. There is no time for me to be away from home trying to be a full-time touring drummer. Like Kevin said, medical insurance is a must! Unless you can afford to pay a $25,000 bill with the gigs you have, then you better get some for your family. My 17 yr old is a busy kid. He's a talented student-althele and participate in many AAU events all over the West Coast. My litttle boy is just busy being a kid. He likes to swim, play football and Tae-Kwon-Do. My daughter is a dancer/cheerleader and she goes on long trips.
All that takes lots of time, money and insurance.

For you drummers who are able to travel to all parts of the globe and maintain a fatherly relationship with your children, God Bless you. I chose to put others before myself, because there is no balance when you're not at home naturing your seeds.

Great post Kevin, must respect lil bro. I'm quite sure that you would have been on the cover of Modern Drummer if you would have been selfish and allowed your passion for music to dictate your relationship with your daughter.

Trust that it will all comeback to you God's way!!!


Brick layer  ;)


Ill be honest with you guys... God has called us to be ministers to our families first!!! I disagree with people who believe "being called to minister to the masses can cost you everything"! Im not trying to nail on Calvin, Ive heard many people say the same thing. Look at the usual out come of that sort or thinking: Divorce, Unhappiness, Neglect, Emotional Break Down, Teenage girls looking for a Dad by having sex with men, Cheating, drug abuse and so on and so on!!! DID God call up to live like that? NO! And its even worse when they use Jesus name to back it up.

LOOK at all the messed up children of ministers, musicians, actors, why? Neglect! No matter where I am (I do short tours or have to be away weekends) I call everyday to talk to my wife and kids, if Grandma has to keep them overnight I call Grandma too. Once we have children that our ministry, they are way more then a mouth to feed and backs to clothe

It is harder to be married and be a touring musician!!! At the end of the day your Spouse is not a slave (especially if they hold down jobs). Why should they always be watching children, cleaning the house, cooking and living life as a single parent! THAT JUST OPENS THE DOOR TO SOME REAL EXTREEM MARITAL ISSUES LIKE CHEATING.

There has to be balance! That's why I do production and sometimes have practices at my home. Go on date nights, take the kids with me when I head out to the store and stuff and work a day job.I started treating my wife like a slave and I almost lost everything!!!!


Again.  Interesting points.


I'll say it again.  Everyone has different methods of taking care of business.  And it seems as though one's method would depend on what one's priorities are, versus what they should be, (which is a matter of strict opinion.)  We gotta do what works best for us and our families.  Balance is key.  Tuga mentioned his wife being his "rock."  Support is also key. 

I dont know about yall but I must take a small intermission to donate more money to this site.  Im learning alot.   :)
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Natejam71 on June 14, 2008, 05:42:41 PM
SHEEN is crazy..lol.. someone pass the potato salad and cornbread please....


D.H.

I got those wings and I got you on the potato salad and cornbread......Stay Blessed, Nate J.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: cdrums116 on June 14, 2008, 06:05:49 PM
Ill be honest with you guys... God has called us to be ministers to our families first!!! I disagree with people who believe "being called to minister to the masses can cost you everything"! Im not trying to nail on Calvin, Ive heard many people say the same thing. Look at the usual out come of that sort or thinking: Divorce, Unhappiness, Neglect, Emotional Break Down, Teenage girls looking for a Dad by having sex with men, Cheating, drug abuse and so on and so on!!! DID God call up to live like that? NO! And its even worse when they use Jesus name to back it up.

LOOK at all the messed up children of ministers, musicians, actors, why? Neglect! No matter where I am (I do short tours or have to be away weekends) I call everyday to talk to my wife and kids, if Grandma has to keep them overnight I call Grandma too. Once we have children that our ministry, they are way more then a mouth to feed and backs to clothe

It is harder to be married and be a touring musician!!! At the end of the day your Spouse is not a slave (especially if they hold down jobs). Why should they always be watching children, cleaning the house, cooking and living life as a single parent! THAT JUST OPENS THE DOOR TO SOME REAL EXTREEM MARITAL ISSUES LIKE CHEATING.

There has to be balance! That's why I do production and sometimes have practices at my home. Go on date nights, take the kids with me when I head out to the store and stuff and work a day job.
I started treating my wife like a slave and I almost lost everything!!!!

How can you disagree with people who believe ministering to the masses can cost you everything? Note: I didn't say it WILL cost you everything. I said IT CAN, and that is the truth BBD. You can have a 9-5 and still miss some of the things going on. The world we live in today is different. The world/economy demands more of you, no matter WHAT your profession is. Divorce isn't a ministry issue. It's a world issue. People who are home all week long still can't keep their marriages together. Anytime you have a career(not a job), it's going to demand your time. As I said before, we all make mistakes when it comes to making the right decisions regarding time. Who on here doesn't? Whether it's saving money, getting your oil changed, seeing your son play basketball on saturday....we've all said it before. "I'll catch it next time". Is that right? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! But it happens man.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: fLaT-fIfTh on June 14, 2008, 06:39:43 PM
First giving honor to God and the pastor of this house, 4hisglory.  The deacons of this room, Juse and Sabe.  And to all the drumming saints who are blessed with eyes to read this thread.  ***I would insert a grin smiley but I'm on my PDA and I don't have that option lol*** 

This is indeed a grown man thread.  Strictly for the big boys.  So since I have a big boy audience, I decided not to start another thread by asking my question here.  I'm asking the deacons to bare with me as I stray from the subject of this thread but inquire about an issue that has stemed from previous statements here.

BBD you have stated that you have a family.  I know that a few of us do.  To this day, I still havnt brought myself to the point where I can leave my daughter to hustle on the road as a musician.  I have responsibilities that I must maintain for me and my child such as health insurance, dental insurance, retirement, child support, parent and teacher conferences and so on.  For those of you on the road with families, how do you balance.  This is a little personal but I actually lost my marriage to the game and it was on a local level.  I can't imagine how much faster I wouldve lost it if I was on a national level. 

I mean I went to a drum clinic to see steve ferone, steve smith, don f., and mike manginni, and these guys were talking about how they have lost their families as well to their craft.  I look on myspace and I see spanky missing his daughter's birthday and I'm sympathising like man our daughters are around the same age.  I don't know how I would deal with that.  I know calvin has a son, flat and beatboxer have kids.

If there is anyone out there who wouldn't mind sharing how to balance, (if there's such a thing) please do.  I'm sure everyone has different ways of handling business.  I'm just trying to see what's really good since no one really ever talks about it.



Respectfully,
Sheen

Man... It's great to see cats keep it real. Many of these points are common knowledge to cats in the "game." However, it is rarely discussed outside the inner circle. I hope some of you young gunners eat this brain food and learn from it.
Now, I'm saving some of my story for a book I've been contemplating, but I will share a few golden nuggets of my story in hopes that someone may learn from it...

I'm the son of a pastor. When I was a kid, my father would always try to get me to play instruments because he needed a loyal musician at the church. I would fumble with it from time to time... I learned to play drums and later learned a few chords and I was on my way. However, I never took music seriously because I was into guns, selling weed, girls, and Metallica ;D My dad would buy me instruments, but I never had anyone to sit behind or shed with. I started taking organ lessons at age 13 and was holding my own on keys at 15. Now I'm ready to get serious about my music and produced my first retail-ready single for my homies in high school. With the gift of gab, I talked my way into a distribution deal with a company called The Music People that distributed Master P at the time. I was a stupid kid. The distributor took me for a ride and I never seen a dime. Yet I was still determined to do music. BUT THEN... AT 15... MY GIRL GOT PREGNANT :-[ ?/? Long story short... Father at 16...married at 17... buried a child at 18. Still trying to hang on to music, I started a new label after high school and released two solo albums. Feeling like my musical aspirations were slipping away, I had my company logo tattooed on my shoulder thinking it would keep me close to music, but I felt it slipping away. I had responsibilities! I had a wife and a kid at 18 that expected me to feed and support them! Who, me? YEAH, ME! It's usually a choice of music or family. It's nearly impossible to do both effectively. I had to make a choice and I chose my family. It was a looooooong struggle for me because I was young and inexperienced. I had to grow up overnight and I learned as I went on...
When I was 19, I got a job at GC in the Keys department thinking I would be able to practice all day. WRONG!!!! They were like "Sell, sell, sell" and the commissions were extra wack! It also made me mad that I was working around all that gear and couldn't afford none of it. Needless to say, that gig didn't last too long...
I've had to hustle for my family from day 1. At one time, I worked 3 jobs; 2 during the week and 1 on the weekends. I used to call it my off day when I only had to go to one job! lol God has brought me a long way man.
When the Korg Trinity first came out, I bought it right away. Then I quickly sold it because my family was in need. When the Akai MPC 2000 first came out, I prepaid for mine and had it on day 1. Then quickly sold it because my family was in need. I Bought a custom bass. Then quickly sold it because my family was in need. When I was 21, I took a job with a major corporation making much less than I was getting from my two jobs at the time.

Notice I ain't talkin' too much about music right now? I had to make a choice...

After years of sacrifice and struggle and a detachment from music. God gave me a nice salary and placed it upon my heart to create something that would help cats in similar situations. The cats that don't have anyone to sit behind or learn from. Everybody is not fortunate to sit behind a Calvin Rodgers every Sunday and learn from him. It would be great if it were so. But what about the cats that don't have nobody? More than a decade later, God showed me how to bring that thing full circle and incorporate my family into my music. ;) I believe it is because of my faithfulness to God and dedication to my family that God is blessing me in such a way. My wife helps me run the office now. I took my son to NY to film SSV2 and he shot some background footage on the dvd.
Now I'm 33 with a 17 year old son (6 kids, one wife) and I can stand flat footed and declare that God has been more than good to me. Family first... No other options. When I was 15 and scared to be a father and wanted to run, the thing I kept thinking about was the fact that my father NEVER left me. Running was not an option.

So, now when I'm on the road, I tie the wife up in the basement until I get back. The kids, however,  are free to leave at any time because the won't practice!!! :D ;D j/k

God bless
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: j_kay on June 14, 2008, 06:55:20 PM
Good story, yo!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: ikickset on June 14, 2008, 07:35:19 PM
wow thats pretty deep..i guess its kids/family or music, no in between. so im glad i dont have kids yet! i do want sum one day tho.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 14, 2008, 07:48:20 PM
How can you disagree with people who believe ministering to the masses can cost you everything? Note: I didn't say it WILL cost you everything. I said IT CAN, and that is the truth BBD. You can have a 9-5 and still miss some of the things going on. The world we live in today is different. The world/economy demands more of you, no matter WHAT your profession is. Divorce isn't a ministry issue. It's a world issue. People who are home all week long still can't keep their marriages together. Anytime you have a career(not a job), it's going to demand your time. As I said before, we all make mistakes when it comes to making the right decisions regarding time. Who on here doesn't? Whether it's saving money, getting your oil changed, seeing your son play basketball on Saturday....we've all said it before. "I'll catch it next time". Is that right? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! But it happens man.

Calvin because ministering to the masses should not cost you everything!!! Maybe not you, but most ministers that Ive herd quote that out of their mouths are usually the ones who neglect their families, marriages and children. Ministry should not cost you your wife and kids!!!! How can you say you're ministering to others when you cant even minister to your own family!!!! Again when I say "you" I don't mean you as in "Calvin", that would be judgmental of me to accuse you.

Saving money, getting your oil changed is not even close to neglecting your family... How many times can one say "I'll catch it next time" before they cant!!!!
 
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: teflonminds88 on June 14, 2008, 08:32:10 PM
Man yall seriously put things in perspective for me as far as my drumming goes. I can honestly say that Ive not yet experienced a situation where my career and family hung in the balance. I COULDNT BEGIN TO IMAGINE WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE :-\

I appreciate all the stories that were shared. Maybe when its time for me to make decisions of such great magnitude, I'll be able to apply what I read to my own situation :)


Oh BTW Flat, I'm definitely coppin that book WHEN it releases (in Jesus name)

Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: ikickset on June 14, 2008, 08:33:12 PM
i was thinking...i do know of plenty of other jobs they take u away from family for long periods of time. i guess every individual sitiaution is different....so u gotta do what works best 4 you and your family. it can work!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 14, 2008, 08:40:49 PM
i was thinking...i do know of plenty of other jobs they take u away from family for long periods of time. i guess every individual situation is different....so u gotta do what works best 4 you and your family. it can work!

As long as your decision keeps your family and children first and happy.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: b_jizzle20 on June 14, 2008, 09:10:00 PM
Wow this thread is deep. Im just sittin' here quietly absorbing it all in and storing it for the near future. :)
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: 3rd-Day on June 14, 2008, 09:22:09 PM
Now this is a Real Mens Meeting right here!  ;)

Tuga, Beatboxerz, Calvin, Flat Fifth yall droppin some serious jewels.  I'm lovin it.   This is an excellent time to put down the drumsticks, turn of the keyboards, put the bass on the stand just sit down and talk!

So let me put my Busta Rhymes voice on right now. Anybody care to embellish on the importance of being a good stewart over your finances and sowing.  What happens after that recording is done. What do you do when the Tour is over, and that dude you networked with that said that he was going to put you on for the next  said show or whatever is not returning your calls. What about when you are on the tour and they decide "they want to go a different direction or do things a little differently" and you not included in the vision.  What do you do when you in between gigs?  Talk about money. Talk about how important it is to take that $2,500 a night check or whatever dudes make and invest it wisely.  Kids still gotta eat, wife still want Nine West, cars gotta stay operational, insured and registered, rent, lights and water bills gotta be paid, kids need sneakers and school supplies. Lets go in a little further. 

For the record I really appreciate the responses that I have read from you cats. I got somebody in my ear right now about me possibly going out on a tour in September. So this is really close to home for me, Word! Share some stories, dont share names. 


I'll be over here in the corner nodding my head, saying amen and taking notes--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 14, 2008, 09:59:32 PM
Man... It's great to see cats keep it real. Many of these points are common knowledge to cats in the "game." However, it is rarely discussed outside the inner circle. I hope some of you young gunners eat this brain food and learn from it.
Now, I'm saving some of my story for a book I've been contemplating, but I will share a few golden nuggets of my story in hopes that someone may learn from it...

I'm the son of a pastor. When I was a kid, my father would always try to get me to play instruments because he needed a loyal musician at the church. I would fumble with it from time to time... I learned to play drums and later learned a few chords and I was on my way. However, I never took music seriously because I was into guns, selling weed, girls, and Metallica ;D My dad would buy me instruments, but I never had anyone to sit behind or shed with. I started taking organ lessons at age 13 and was holding my own on keys at 15. Now I'm ready to get serious about my music and produced my first retail-ready single for my homies in high school. With the gift of gab, I talked my way into a distribution deal with a company called The Music People that distributed Master P at the time. I was a stupid kid. The distributor took me for a ride and I never seen a dime. Yet I was still determined to do music. BUT THEN... AT 15... MY GIRL GOT PREGNANT :-[ ?/? Long story short... Father at 16...married at 17... buried a child at 18. Still trying to hang on to music, I started a new label after high school and released two solo albums. Feeling like my musical aspirations were slipping away, I had my company logo tattooed on my shoulder thinking it would keep me close to music, but I felt it slipping away. I had responsibilities! I had a wife and a kid at 18 that expected me to feed and support them! Who, me? YEAH, ME! It's usually a choice of music or family. It's nearly impossible to do both effectively. I had to make a choice and I chose my family. It was a looooooong struggle for me because I was young and inexperienced. I had to grow up overnight and I learned as I went on...
When I was 19, I got a job at GC in the Keys department thinking I would be able to practice all day. WRONG!!!! They were like "Sell, sell, sell" and the commissions were extra wack! It also made me mad that I was working around all that gear and couldn't afford none of it. Needless to say, that gig didn't last too long...
I've had to hustle for my family from day 1. At one time, I worked 3 jobs; 2 during the week and 1 on the weekends. I used to call it my off day when I only had to go to one job! lol God has brought me a long way man.
When the Korg Triton first came out, I bought it right away. Then I quickly sold it because my family was in need. When the Akai MPC 2000 first came out, I prepaid for mine and had it on day 1. Then quickly sold it because my family was in need. I Bought a custom bass. Then quickly sold it because my family was in need. When I was 21, I took a job with a major corporation making much less than I was getting from my two jobs at the time.

Notice I ain't talkin' too much about music right now? I had to make a choice...

After years of sacrifice and struggle and a detachment from music. God gave me a nice salary and placed it upon my heart to create something that would help cats in similar situations. The cats that don't have anyone to sit behind or learn from. Everybody is not fortunate to sit behind a Calvin Rodgers every Sunday and learn from him. It would be great if it were so. But what about the cats that don't have nobody? More than a decade later, God showed me how to bring that thing full circle and incorporate my family into my music. ;) I believe it is because of my faithfulness to God and dedication to my family that God is blessing me in such a way. My wife helps me run the office now. I took my son to NY to film SSV2 and he shot some background footage on the dvd.
Now I'm 33 with a 17 year old son (6 kids, one wife) and I can stand flat footed and declare that God has been more than good to me. Family first... No other options. When I was 15 and scared to be a father and wanted to run, the thing I kept thinking about was the fact that my father NEVER left me. Running was not an option.

So, now when I'm on the road, I tie the wife up in the basement until I get back. The kids, however,  are free to leave at any time because the won't practice!!! :D ;D j/k

God bless

God blessed you huge!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: L.V.Drumma on June 14, 2008, 10:05:25 PM
Man... It's great to see cats keep it real. Many of these points are common knowledge to cats in the "game." However, it is rarely discussed outside the inner circle. I hope some of you young gunners eat this brain food and learn from it.
Now, I'm saving some of my story for a book I've been contemplating, but I will share a few golden nuggets of my story in hopes that someone may learn from it...

I'm the son of a pastor. When I was a kid, my father would always try to get me to play instruments because he needed a loyal musician at the church. I would fumble with it from time to time... I learned to play drums and later learned a few chords and I was on my way. However, I never took music seriously because I was into guns, selling weed, girls, and Metallica ;D My dad would buy me instruments, but I never had anyone to sit behind or shed with. I started taking organ lessons at age 13 and was holding my own on keys at 15. Now I'm ready to get serious about my music and produced my first retail-ready single for my homies in high school. With the gift of gab, I talked my way into a distribution deal with a company called The Music People that distributed Master P at the time. I was a stupid kid. The distributor took me for a ride and I never seen a dime. Yet I was still determined to do music. BUT THEN... AT 15... MY GIRL GOT PREGNANT :-[ ?/? Long story short... Father at 16...married at 17... buried a child at 18. Still trying to hang on to music, I started a new label after high school and released two solo albums. Feeling like my musical aspirations were slipping away, I had my company logo tattooed on my shoulder thinking it would keep me close to music, but I felt it slipping away. I had responsibilities! I had a wife and a kid at 18 that expected me to feed and support them! Who, me? YEAH, ME! It's usually a choice of music or family. It's nearly impossible to do both effectively. I had to make a choice and I chose my family. It was a looooooong struggle for me because I was young and inexperienced. I had to grow up overnight and I learned as I went on...
When I was 19, I got a job at GC in the Keys department thinking I would be able to practice all day. WRONG!!!! They were like "Sell, sell, sell" and the commissions were extra wack! It also made me mad that I was working around all that gear and couldn't afford none of it. Needless to say, that gig didn't last too long...
I've had to hustle for my family from day 1. At one time, I worked 3 jobs; 2 during the week and 1 on the weekends. I used to call it my off day when I only had to go to one job! lol God has brought me a long way man.
When the Korg Triton first came out, I bought it right away. Then I quickly sold it because my family was in need. When the Akai MPC 2000 first came out, I prepaid for mine and had it on day 1. Then quickly sold it because my family was in need. I Bought a custom bass. Then quickly sold it because my family was in need. When I was 21, I took a job with a major corporation making much less than I was getting from my two jobs at the time.

Notice I ain't talkin' too much about music right now? I had to make a choice...

After years of sacrifice and struggle and a detachment from music. God gave me a nice salary and placed it upon my heart to create something that would help cats in similar situations. The cats that don't have anyone to sit behind or learn from. Everybody is not fortunate to sit behind a Calvin Rodgers every Sunday and learn from him. It would be great if it were so. But what about the cats that don't have nobody? More than a decade later, God showed me how to bring that thing full circle and incorporate my family into my music. ;) I believe it is because of my faithfulness to God and dedication to my family that God is blessing me in such a way. My wife helps me run the office now. I took my son to NY to film SSV2 and he shot some background footage on the dvd.
Now I'm 33 with a 17 year old son (6 kids, one wife) and I can stand flat footed and declare that God has been more than good to me. Family first... No other options. When I was 15 and scared to be a father and wanted to run, the thing I kept thinking about was the fact that my father NEVER left me. Running was not an option.

So, now when I'm on the road, I tie the wife up in the basement until I get back. The kids, however,  are free to leave at any time because the won't practice!!! :D ;D j/k

God bless

That was great.  And I really relate to the bold.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Audiocr381ve on June 15, 2008, 12:26:03 AM
I haven't built a family yet, but I have a clear vision of what needs to be done when I have one. I'm 22 and cool opportunities keep coming along lately. A local artist approached me about a 10 city tour coming up here soon, and a possible tour in Europe. I've played drums in a major motion picture directed by Sean Penn. Work has been good. All this to say, that battle has been a serious thing to think about for me.

When it comes time to get married and build a family, after God will be my wife and children. If I'm fortunate enough to play music to provide for them, and I'm not talking just about finances, I'm talking PROVIDE and be there for them, I will do so. But the road will not take me away from my family. The most important way I could ever minister will be ministering to my gift, my family. It's a special gift to have such influence in people's lives as a father and husband, I won't coward away from them. This is my thoughts on the matter.

Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: lockslie1 on June 15, 2008, 08:16:56 AM
This has to be the best thread EVER!! Real Talk

I would definetly have to say family comes first. I recently took a gig at a church and my wife had a seperate event to go to and we have two wonderful girls, but I know how hard it is to have work to do or go to an event with a 3yr old and 1yr old at the same time. I decided that I would take one of the children and she could take one to make thing easier for the both of us since we didn't have time to find someone to watch them. I got to the gig put my daughter on the organ seat with me and played for the service, but I never expected for people to come up to me after the service and say that a father having their child with them during a service ministered to them more than anything else. People were coming up to me saying that they never see a musician with his child or wife at an event anymore and that normally the family is neglected and at home waiting until daddy gets home. Many musicians don't bring their wife and children with them because they don't want their families to see what they do with other females or males after the gig.

To me I was just doing what I normally do because my wife and children are normally with me when I go places and play gigs. Never did I think someone would come up to me and say that ministered to them. I've make many sacrifices to put my family first because I made a vow before God to keep my marriage and stay faithful until death parts us. At first it was tough putting the keys down, putting the Pro-Marks, and Vic Firths down, and selling almost everything I had to make sure my family was ok. I can now say that God has restored everything that I lost and has provided more then double what I had. My wife and I run our own company now and she is more supportive than ever because she feels like she is a part of what I do and not just a by-stander or tag along.

I encourage all fathers and men to be strong and do things the way God wants and he will bless you. It's not easy, but it's worth it. A great musician friend of mine died about 10yrs ago and he was a beast of a drummer, but he had a 4 or 5 yr old daughter at the time, and he would always tell me that he took all the gigs and tours(no health or LIFE insurance), to provide for his daughter, but he suddenly died from an brain aneurism. He made sure she was taken care of financially while he had the gigs, but 10 yrs later she has no memory of him, no times she can recall that he was there to share good times with her and if you think about it, he left her nothing. Sometimes we look at the picture down the road when we don't even know if the next day is promised to us.

Happy Fathers Day to all the fathers and if you have a little one that hasn't heard from you or hasn't seen you in a while, make sure it happens soon, because you never know what the next day holds for you or them.

God Bless
Phil

 
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 15, 2008, 08:17:05 AM
Now this is a Real Mens Meeting right here!  ;)

Tuga, Beatboxers, Calvin, Flat Fifth yall droppin some serious jewels.  I'm lovin it.   This is an excellent time to put down the drumsticks, turn of the keyboards, put the bass on the stand just sit down and talk!

So let me put my Busta Rhymes voice on right now. Anybody care to embellish on the importance of being a good Stewart over your finances and sowing.  What happens after that recording is done. What do you do when the Tour is over, and that dude you networked with that said that he was going to put you on for the next  said show or whatever is not returning your calls. What about when you are on the tour and they decide "they want to go a different direction or do things a little differently" and you not included in the vision.  What do you do when you in between gigs?  Talk about money. Talk about how important it is to take that $2,500 a night check or whatever dudes make and invest it wisely.  Kids still gotta eat, wife still want Nine West, cars gotta stay operational, insured and registered, rent, lights and water bills gotta be paid, kids need sneakers and school supplies. Lets go in a little further. 

For the record I really appreciate the responses that I have read from you cats. I got somebody in my ear right now about me possibly going out on a tour in September. So this is really close to home for me, Word! Share some stories, dont share names. 


I'll be over here in the corner nodding my head, saying amen and taking notes--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

Teach, take on students, do local studio recordings, temp agency,  work odd jobs until your next big break. I tell younger musicians to have a back up plan, get an education in something and minor in music. Now's the time to go out and tour, no wife no kids go! Things do change (and has to change) when you get married and change even more when you have children. Good example. I have a good friend who plays for one of the biggest Christian rock bands, if I said their name some of you would know them.... Fully endorsed by Yamaha (gets one free kit and three free snare drums year) Free cymbals (one of the big three)(go to his house he has BOXES of cymbals he has yet to use) Free sticks....TOURING ALL THE TIME! I called his house one day thinking he was home, gone and his wife started talking to me just like that....The woman was so lonely!!! Now they just has a baby and he's still gone touring. Its sad to say but I give them three years or less before his wife has had enough. There needs to be a balance...Like I said even when Im gone I call and talk to my wife and kids every day, Im an I.T. specialist during the day and that gives me the chance to pick and choose my gigs, Im not a slave to the road nor is my family!!!

Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: dude-on-drums on June 15, 2008, 02:15:03 PM
Wow.  A temp agency between gigs?  That's a great idea.  Never thought of that one.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Lildrummaboy66 on June 15, 2008, 06:22:31 PM
How good it is to see the brethren sharing, teaching and agreeing with one another!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: 3rd-Day on June 16, 2008, 02:48:17 PM
Teach, take on students, do local studio recordings, temp agency,  work odd jobs until your next big break. I tell younger musicians to have a back up plan, get an education in something and minor in music. Now's the time to go out and tour, no wife no kids go! Things do change (and has to change) when you get married and change even more when you have children. Good example. I have a good friend who plays for one of the biggest Christian rock bands, if I said their name some of you would know them.... Fully endorsed by Yamaha (gets one free kit and three free snare drums year) Free cymbals (one of the big three)(go to his house he has BOXES of cymbals he has yet to use) Free sticks....TOURING ALL THE TIME! I called his house one day thinking he was home, gone and his wife started talking to me just like that....The woman was so lonely!!! Now they just has a baby and he's still gone touring. Its sad to say but I give them three years or less before his wife has had enough. There needs to be a balance...Like I said even when Im gone I call and talk to my wife and kids every day, Im an I.T. specialist during the day and that gives me the chance to pick and choose my gigs, Im not a slave to the road nor is my family!!!




This is good info! Much appreciated. Heavy food for thought. I already give private lessons. The thought of doing it full time was never a consideration because I'm so inexpensive. Thanks for the insight Man.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 16, 2008, 04:20:03 PM

This is good info! Much appreciated. Heavy food for thought. I already give private lessons. The thought of doing it full time was never a consideration because I'm so inexpensive. Thanks for the insight Man.

Teaching can bring in some good coin. Say you charge $15 - 20 per half an hour, Im $25 personally, all you need is 8 students a day minimum.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: fretai03 on June 16, 2008, 07:55:46 PM
This thread is pure gold.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: L.V.Drumma on June 16, 2008, 09:02:06 PM
Teaching can bring in some good coin. Say you charge $15 - 20 per half an hour, Im $25 personally, all you need is 8 students a day minimum.

My mapex finish is better than yours :D ;D
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 17, 2008, 12:05:21 PM
My mapex finish is better than yours :D ;D

 ;D  LOL, That may be so but I get mine for much less than you do  :P
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: SabianKnight on June 18, 2008, 05:01:23 AM
Man, that sound like "Bruce Lee Drumming!"....Just like "Jeet Kun Do"  "The Way Of The Intercepting Drum"  :o

Be able to effortlessly adapt to the moment:

"you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup,
You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle,
You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Now, water can *flow* or it can *CRASH*!
Be water, my friend.

Bruce Lee


Now go work on ya kick!! 8)
;) :D I have long admired Bruce Lee... (note: drummer Rodney Holmes also quotes him and his philosphy quite a bit. see his MD interview). All-in-All it is the interpretation of Biblical principle... whatever you give yourself over to people will see the product (Paul talking to Timothy). We simply have to put ourselves in the right place and master ourselves first then master the craft. Read Effortless Mastery and and the inner Game of Music and you'll get where I am coming from. But I think you already know because the theory is relative to the application.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: dude-on-drums on June 18, 2008, 09:31:46 AM
Yeah I grew up on Bruce as well. I try to take on his idea of using the least amount of physical movement to produce the most devestating blow.  Has anyone heard Vinnie's album?  He has a song titled Bruce Lee.  Enough said...happy birthday Juse lol
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: j_kay on June 18, 2008, 10:16:34 AM
Has anyone heard Vinnie's album?  He has a song titled Bruce Lee.

Yeah, I had it since '94, and I'm wondering why is it taking him so long to make another one...  Could the next one be called "Bruce Lee's spawn"?  * corny, I know*  ---> inserts the "cheesy" emoticon here:  :D
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: SabianKnight on June 18, 2008, 09:17:46 PM
On the marriage/family front and serious relationship/engaged front: Everyone involved has to as the Rock said, "Know your role...". You have to know the seriousness of accountability. The man has to know that at the end of the day whatever happens is his fault. This is the faulter of Adam. As heads of the household/husbandman the stewardship of the family is our responsibility. When we really get a grasp of that things tend to change for the better. The Bible says that if a man cannot maintain his own household he cannot maintain God's house. this is spoken of in reference to what it really means to serve in God's house and be a deacon (starting with being a man of one wife...) and then having proven one's self worthy being promoted a bishop whom assists the Pastor.

In my wedding ring my wife had engraved, "You are my ministry." This is our 8th of marriage and 16th year as a couple in which we have NEVER broken up (even in the 2.5 years I spent living 12 hrs away trying to establish a design career & find my dream of music). "You are my ministry," has been the hardest lesson to learn and be worthy of. My wife is a true Help Meet. if your significant other does not know that is her role then she probably is not your God-given wife. This is someone you chose/choose to marry and that decision is the cause of divorce.

Husbands are to find their wives which are gifts of blessing (empowerment) to the husbands purpose of God and in that he findeth a good thing and obtains favor of God... not wives finding/entrapping their "husbands." If there is no shared vision that is not your wife. Success is in unity... there lies the blessing. When there are two visions (two means di) there is di-vision and god is not in that, neither is your blessing (regardless of any successes you appear to have it is not near as much as God intends for us). If we do not love our wives/prospective wives enough to give our lives for them then they are not or God-given wife and we probably are not yet prepared to be husbands and definitely not Fathers. Husbands love your wives as God so love the church....

Husbands have to pamper and lavish our wives within our abilities. We have to encourage and strengthen them mentally. We have to humble ourselves and listen to the "Help Meet" wisdom of god in them and the heart of the wife and cater to their physical needs. We each have to subdue our emotions (fear, anger, jealousy...) because those are not spirits that God would have us govern ourselves by though we all too often do and end up in divorce. Stop making emotional decisions. Stop cursing at your wife and children. They are first off God (what you do for the least of them) and most overlooked, THEY ARE YOU (flesh of your flesh, bone of your bone) so you are cursing your self and your future bloodline. Cover your house. Be Boaz and not punk....

Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: SabianKnight on June 18, 2008, 09:38:15 PM
A month after marrying my wife experienced temporary parallasis and was diagnosed with MS. Two years later I got laid off. During the 8-months following my wife bought me my first drum kit (by God). After two major lay-offs(one before relocating and then relocating and loosing a car to repo and another a week before finding out my wife was pregnant and we had just lost the medical benefits with our jobs - cause we worked for he same parent company). Then loosing a job as a college instructor because of a faulty car two weeks before my daughter was born then going through 3 hurricanes starting two-weeks later ('05 a la Katrina years) and loosing our home (working with a shady Christian) while having a 4-month old daughter I was faced with my family living on the couches and spare rooms of "friends" till they quickly tired of us and put us out. Then having to either live out of our car. I had to put my wife and 4-month old daughter on a plane and send them back "home" to family. We left there in first place for better, because that wasn't where we were supposed to be for growth. My wife was willing to live in our car rather than be separated while I stayed to get us back on our feet. I had to make a hard decision, to send them away. It took 2.5 years being 12 hrs apart without little to know funds, missing birthdays, a wedding anniversary, mother's days, father's days. Finally a had to relocate to "go get my family". In that time God was preparing us and showing us things in ourselves and folk around us, training us in ministry all in order that we can better fulfill our purpose. Now geographically reunited (as our relationship was strained but never broken) we stand stronger than ever and are being blessed in our extended vision, external relationships, new wisdom/knowledge/understanding and business opportunities.

My point in my testimony is that when two (husband and wife) agree as one you can make it and prosper. What I learned was the husband has to has a clear vision and he has to write on tables and make it plan so that those who see it (wife and family) can run with it. That communication has to be clear and understood. I also learned that you have to tithe, sow(into good ground... into your future), and save (as the ants save in the summer). The wife has to be a Proverbs woman... building here house, not being strifeful etc, working to own, giving from her plenty not simply taking. The husband has to be priest of his home, the houseband/husbandman (binding the family together and weeding out that which is not fruitful). He has to constantly seek wise counsel and take car of what he speaks into existance and understanding. The husband has to be willing and allow his faults to show and the healing to be open to the wife and family in order for the strength of the testimony to go forth and be absorbed. it is not for us to be happy but be full of joy and enjoy/empower/embrace our wife and family.

We the husbands must strive and prepare to leave and inheritance of material value as well as integrity (spiritual, a good name), work ethic of diligence and proven/marked completion for the next generation to stand on. Else we leave a curse. So do:
-invest in a life insurance policy
-create a living will
-establish yourself as a legal independent business (EIN/Tax ID#, Business Name, Business Bank Account)
* if your band  is a corparation apply for group insurance benefits in the company name because it is a business.....
MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE

Business/small-biz/home-biz Co-ops have group rate insurance opps. Musicians union has insurance opps, Most states are starting to offer basic insurance opps for the uninsured. Research: Humana, Blue Cross Blue Shield and other insurance... it's not that expensive. it is a security investment because you cannot afford today's medical/hospital bills.

-get renters insurance to cover your gear... it's like $40/mth 

- Brand yourself... what you stand for and what you deliver and STAND BY YOUR WORD BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR GOOD NAME
- TRAIN Your children in the Brand... what there name stands for and what is expected of that name and their presentation/representation of that name
- do not co-sign (give you name for someone unproven else you mentor and develop them to be representative of your brand)
- Study business marketing books/principles
- Develop corporate relationships and relationships with business networking, business-trade associations, area Chamber of Commerce, large area non-profits and community serve organizations. seek to schedule yourself as entertainment for their yearly events. As well contribute (sow 4, sow time) into their service projects. Build your own relationships and market to fall back on. Convention bands get paid well.

-MySpace is not a business website. In a dot com (domain name and a professional web site, even if it is template based).
-Get you some professionally designed business cards, letter head and envelopes
-GET SOME NICE GEAR BAGS
-KEEP A NICE WATCH... ie be early always and stay late
Get you and investment banker/counsellor



Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: Natejam71 on June 18, 2008, 10:57:35 PM
A month after marrying my wife experienced temporary parallasis and was diagnosed with MS. Two years later I got laid off. During the 8-months following my wife bought me my first drum kit (by God). After two major lay-offs(one before relocating and then relocating and loosing a car to repo and another a week before finding out my wife was pregnant and we had just lost the medical benefits with our jobs - cause we worked for he same parent company). Then loosing a job as a college instructor because of a faulty car two weeks before my daughter was born then going through 3 hurricanes starting two-weeks later ('05 a la Katrina years) and loosing our home (working with a shady Christian) while having a 4-month old daughter I was faced with my family living on the couches and spare rooms of "friends" till they quickly tired of us and put us out. Then having to either live out of our car. I had to put my wife and 4-month old daughter on a plane and send them back "home" to family. We left there in first place for better, because that wasn't where we were supposed to be for growth. My wife was willing to live in our car rather than be separated while I stayed to get us back on our feet. I had to make a hard decision, to send them away. It took 2.5 years being 12 hrs apart without little to know funds, missing birthdays, a wedding anniversary, mother's days, father's days. Finally a had to relocate to "go get my family". In that time God was preparing us and showing us things in ourselves and folk around us, training us in ministry all in order that we can better fulfill our purpose. Now geographically reunited (as our relationship was strained but never broken) we stand stronger than ever and are being blessed in our extended vision, external relationships, new wisdom/knowledge/understanding and business opportunities.

My point in my testimony is that when two (husband and wife) agree as one you can make it and prosper. What I learned was the husband has to has a clear vision and he has to write on tables and make it plan so that those who see it (wife and family) can run with it. That communication has to be clear and understood. I also learned that you have to tithe, sow(into good ground... into your future), and save (as the ants save in the summer). The wife has to be a Proverbs woman... building here house, not being strifeful etc, working to own, giving from her plenty not simply taking. The husband has to be priest of his home, the houseband/husbandman (binding the family together and weeding out that which is not fruitful). He has to constantly seek wise counsel and take car of what he speaks into existance and understanding. The husband has to be willing and allow his faults to show and the healing to be open to the wife and family in order for the strength of the testimony to go forth and be absorbed. it is not for us to be happy but be full of joy and enjoy/empower/embrace our wife and family.

We the husbands must strive and prepare to leave and inheritance of material value as well as integrity (spiritual, a good name), work ethic of diligence and proven/marked completion for the next generation to stand on. Else we leave a curse. So do:
-invest in a life insurance policy
-create a living will
-establish yourself as a legal independent business (EIN/Tax ID#, Business Name, Business Bank Account)
* if your band  is a corparation apply for group insurance benefits in the company name because it is a business.....
MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE

Business/small-biz/home-biz Co-ops have group rate insurance opps. Musicians union has insurance opps, Most states are starting to offer basic insurance opps for the uninsured. Research: Humana, Blue Cross Blue Shield and other insurance... it's not that expensive. it is a security investment because you cannot afford today's medical/hospital bills.

-get renters insurance to cover your gear... it's like $40/mth 

- Brand yourself... what you stand for and what you deliver and STAND BY YOUR WORD BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR GOOD NAME
- TRAIN Your children in the Brand... what there name stands for and what is expected of that name and their presentation/representation of that name
- do not co-sign (give you name for someone unproven else you mentor and develop them to be representative of your brand)
- Study business marketing books/principles
- Develop corporate relationships and relationships with business networking, business-trade associations, area Chamber of Commerce, large area non-profits and community serve organizations. seek to schedule yourself as entertainment for their yearly events. As well contribute (sow 4, sow time) into their service projects. Build your own relationships and market to fall back on. Convention bands get paid well.

-MySpace is not a business website. In a dot com (domain name and a professional web site, even if it is template based).
-Get you some professionally designed business cards, letter head and envelopes
-GET SOME NICE GEAR BAGS
-KEEP A NICE WATCH... ie be early always and stay late
Get you and investment banker/counsellor

God has a funny way of working...aye Sabe God bless you man...I needed to hear that more than you realize...God used you...thanks for real....Stay Blessed, Nate J.



Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: fretai03 on June 18, 2008, 11:19:13 PM
:'(

There is power in Jesus name.

God Bless SabianKnight, Man of God!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: bigblackdrummer on June 18, 2008, 11:56:48 PM
A month after marrying my wife experienced temporary parallasis and was diagnosed with MS. Two years later I got laid off. During the 8-months following my wife bought me my first drum kit (by God). After two major lay-offs(one before relocating and then relocating and loosing a car to repo and another a week before finding out my wife was pregnant and we had just lost the medical benefits with our jobs - cause we worked for he same parent company). Then loosing a job as a college instructor because of a faulty car two weeks before my daughter was born then going through 3 hurricanes starting two-weeks later ('05 a la Katrina years) and loosing our home (working with a shady Christian) while having a 4-month old daughter I was faced with my family living on the couches and spare rooms of "friends" till they quickly tired of us and put us out. Then having to either live out of our car. I had to put my wife and 4-month old daughter on a plane and send them back "home" to family. We left there in first place for better, because that wasn't where we were supposed to be for growth. My wife was willing to live in our car rather than be separated while I stayed to get us back on our feet. I had to make a hard decision, to send them away. It took 2.5 years being 12 hrs apart without little to know funds, missing birthdays, a wedding anniversary, mother's days, father's days. Finally a had to relocate to "go get my family". In that time God was preparing us and showing us things in ourselves and folk around us, training us in ministry all in order that we can better fulfill our purpose. Now geographically reunited (as our relationship was strained but never broken) we stand stronger than ever and are being blessed in our extended vision, external relationships, new wisdom/knowledge/understanding and business opportunities.

My point in my testimony is that when two (husband and wife) agree as one you can make it and prosper. What I learned was the husband has to has a clear vision and he has to write on tables and make it plan so that those who see it (wife and family) can run with it. That communication has to be clear and understood. I also learned that you have to tithe, sow(into good ground... into your future), and save (as the ants save in the summer). The wife has to be a Proverbs woman... building here house, not being strifeful etc, working to own, giving from her plenty not simply taking. The husband has to be priest of his home, the houseband/husbandman (binding the family together and weeding out that which is not fruitful). He has to constantly seek wise counsel and take car of what he speaks into existance and understanding. The husband has to be willing and allow his faults to show and the healing to be open to the wife and family in order for the strength of the testimony to go forth and be absorbed. it is not for us to be happy but be full of joy and enjoy/empower/embrace our wife and family.

We the husbands must strive and prepare to leave and inheritance of material value as well as integrity (spiritual, a good name), work ethic of diligence and proven/marked completion for the next generation to stand on. Else we leave a curse. So do:
-invest in a life insurance policy
-create a living will
-establish yourself as a legal independent business (EIN/Tax ID#, Business Name, Business Bank Account)
* if your band  is a corparation apply for group insurance benefits in the company name because it is a business.....
MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE

Business/small-biz/home-biz Co-ops have group rate insurance opps. Musicians union has insurance opps, Most states are starting to offer basic insurance opps for the uninsured. Research: Humana, Blue Cross Blue Shield and other insurance... it's not that expensive. it is a security investment because you cannot afford today's medical/hospital bills.

-get renters insurance to cover your gear... it's like $40/mth 

- Brand yourself... what you stand for and what you deliver and STAND BY YOUR WORD BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR GOOD NAME
- TRAIN Your children in the Brand... what there name stands for and what is expected of that name and their presentation/representation of that name
- do not co-sign (give you name for someone unproven else you mentor and develop them to be representative of your brand)
- Study business marketing books/principles
- Develop corporate relationships and relationships with business networking, business-trade associations, area Chamber of Commerce, large area non-profits and community serve organizations. seek to schedule yourself as entertainment for their yearly events. As well contribute (sow 4, sow time) into their service projects. Build your own relationships and market to fall back on. Convention bands get paid well.

-MySpace is not a business website. In a dot com (domain name and a professional web site, even if it is template based).
-Get you some professionally designed business cards, letter head and envelopes
-GET SOME NICE GEAR BAGS
-KEEP A NICE WATCH... ie be early always and stay late
Get you and investment banker/counsellor





Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: SabianKnight on June 19, 2008, 02:55:28 AM
Folks I have to tell you...

After all that I have been through from being told in college that If I didn't stop playing football I would not be able to walk by age 30... after that I lost 20 lbs in a week to depression... and taking 1200 mg of meds a day to bring down the inflammation so that my nerve impulses could get through. To seeing my wife temporarly paralized 2 days after Christmas a month after getting married at age 25... to loosing all my possessions... to  having to enduring separation and missing the first 2.5 daily years of my in order to make a better life for my family.... God and my wife have been there and stood strong. The great thing is god allowed me to grow wiser.

My wife has not had a major episode since that first one 8 years ago. She had a flawless pregnancy with no morning sickness and no epidural. God has put the right connections into play and all that was lost is returning all the more. He is rewarding our diligence and showing us His excellent favor and grace.

So men, make the decisions that you must make and own them, because one day you will have to answer for them. Don't do the bare minimum in anything that you do. Don't anything without purpose... because there is a purpose for everything we just have to seek understanding of it. Without wise counsel purposes go unfulfilled. However, stand on firm ground for your family and with your family especially your wife. God wants completion for us and we have to be diligent and complete in our married lives in order for the other stuff to count.

Man up in your natural business affairs. God gave us the power (gifts, talents and wisdom resources) to get wealth. Seek, Ask, Knock... boldly and prepared but humble enough to serve and be teachable. Understand His vision, receive your vision write it down and walk it out not turning to the right or left (as I have ignorantly and fearfully done so many times). Connect with like visions and prove and improve your commitment. And when times come that you cannot see... move to a better vantage point on the course. The music business is a business.
Title: Re: Studio Recording ?'s
Post by: E.R. on June 19, 2008, 07:24:49 AM
Sabe, thank you for your testimony! Truth.

As I stated before:

Wisdom Speaks. Wise Listen.