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Gospel Instruments => Bass Guitar => Topic started by: floaded27 on June 25, 2008, 04:38:57 PM
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im in need of a bass cab thats relatively small and lightweight but can put out enough power to handle a fairly decent sized church. my situation is that im starting to play other places with the jurisdictional choir and while just about all the churches have B3's and some have a setup for keyboards, if theres no bass player there, they have NO bass equipment at all. just about all the fairly decent sized churches that have been around for a while (especially in COGIC) have a B3 and a drum set as standard issue. the guys who play keyboard may be lucky that the church has something there for them or they bring their own keyboard amp. me as the bass player is responsible for my own stuff. some dont have a good sound system setup, but they do have 1 or 2 B3 leslies to fill the church. so u know my 200W Ampeg 2x8 combo aint hackin it. And theres no way in hell (excuse the language) that im getting on the train in New York City at rush hour with a 4x10 cab. It aint happenin. and im kinda tired of playin out of keyboard amps with the keyboard, portable PA systems, and other makeshift bass rigs.
i just need something easily portable, especially carryin up and down stairs (stairs is always an issue using the train). most of the 2x10s that i seen have weak power handling (200W, which i already have) or behringer (which is insanely known for their crappy cabs) or the cab is excessively huge (basically the size of a 4x10). the only thing ive seen as possibly decent is the Avatar B210. are there any other offerings? should i get one of the other 2x10's and just swap out the speakers? should i attempt to get something custom made or make myself?
chime in my fellow bass buddies.
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I had the same problem doing the "Monthly Musicals" in churches where the choir loft is upstairs. So I got a GK 2/12 Neo cab. I shaved off fifty pounds of extra weight. I am not pushing GK but check out any reputable Neo cabs. that will help.
Be Blessed
James J in LA
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It's going to be hard finding anything smaller that 2x12 cab that will work. To me, you'll kill 2x10 cab up against a B3 and drums, especially one with 2 leslies. This is the price we pay as being musicians, especially bass players. I don't like lugging around my 4x10 eden 98 lbs cab, but I do because I know the sound I like and don't want to play out of any makeshift system.
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I had the same problem doing the "Monthly Musicals" in churches where the choir loft is upstairs. So I got a GK 2/12 Neo cab. I shaved off fifty pounds of extra weight. I am not pushing GK but check out any reputable Neo cabs. that will help.
thanks I'll look around for the 2/12 cab. GC doesnt seem to carry any 2/12 so i'll have to look around online. the 2/10s they seem to have are heavy as heck, not much lesst han the 4x10s so they building them so u can play in a hurricane or something.
I don't like lugging around my 4x10 eden 98 lbs cab, but I do because I know the sound I like and don't want to play out of any makeshift system.
for me what sound i like is nearly at the bottom of the list. this is New York City we're talkin about here. one of the most crowded busiest places in the world (if not the most). having a bass on my back and haulin around a 4x10 cab + my bass head on public transportation @ rush hour is basically impossible. this is why i need a solution. thats not an "inconvenient" option, its not an option at all.
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I recommend Avatar. I have both the 210 and 410, and they deliver without beating up your wallet. They also have a 212.
B210 NEO - 500W, 48lbs, $318 shipped
B212 NEO - 500W, 56lbs, $381 shipped
B410 NEO - 1000W, 65lbs, $451 shipped
I recommend the LineX coating if you can afford the extra charge for it.
http://www.avatarspeakers.com/ (http://www.avatarspeakers.com/)
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I recommend Avatar. I have both the 210 and 410, and they deliver without beating up your wallet. They also have a 212.
B210 NEO - 500W, 48lbs, $318 shipped
B212 NEO - 500W, 56lbs, $381 shipped
B410 NEO - 1000W, 65lbs, $451 shipped
I recommend the LineX coating if you can afford the extra charge for it.
[url]http://www.avatarspeakers.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.avatarspeakers.com/[/url])
I have all of the cabs above, but only my B210 has the Neo speakers. A good solution for Floaded is the B210 at 4 ohms. It can handle 500W. I now use the Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 (3.75 lbs) which puts out 600W into the B210. That is more than enough for any church where I have used it. I think the B212 and the B410 are too bulky to try to transport on a train. I can easily carry my amp, bass and B210 cabinet, up and down stairs if I have to. For the price, you can't beat the Avatars. My cabinets are carpet-covered. If you can afford it, get the LineX coating.
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thanks thumpa. i was lookin into Avatar because i already have the B410. i ruled out the B212 because the cab is the same exact size as the 410 cab, so that really doesnt solve much, so i was leaning on the 210. but i was wondering, is there any better options out there?
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thanks thumpa. i was lookin into Avatar because i already have the B410. i ruled out the B212 because the cab is the same exact size as the 410 cab, so that really doesnt solve much, so i was leaning on the 210. but i was wondering, is there any better options out there?
Another, more expensive, but better option is one of the cabs by Accugroove cabinets http://www.accugroove.com/ (http://www.accugroove.com/). Here are the specs for their Tri210L:
2-10" Neo woofers
1-6" midrange
2-soft textile dome tweeters
2 Speakon jacks & 2 sealed 1/4" jacks
600 watts RMS at 4 Ohms
39 Hz-18 Khz (35 Hz@6db) 103db SPL
48lbs
21 1/4"H x 24 3/4" W x 18 1/4" D
$1,349.00
If it was in the budget, I would have bought this cab instead of the B210. But lets face facts, I am sure the Tri 210 L sounds better than the Avatar, but I don't think that it sounds 4 times better.
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I just bought a schroeder 1210R for $400 off of talkbass.com
http://www.schroedercabinets.com/1210.htm (http://www.schroedercabinets.com/1210.htm)
Barely bigger than a 1x12 cab and apparently they can replace a 4x10. Not to mention it's lighter then my 4x10.
I played one at bass club chicago and that little sucker KICKS!!!!
I have a visiting church to play at tonight and I'll be taking my cab out there to see how it does!!!
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jeremy, now thats what im talkin about. if only i could get it for that same price cause i dont wanna break my pockets for the cab, especially since i would want to later invest in a smaller bass heads (MarkBass LMII or F1 or GB Shuttle). so $400 would probably be around my upper limit. any places to suggest maybe finding another used one? (unless u sellin yours after the gig. lol)
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haha, I got mine off of talkbass.com
I honestly got one heck of a deal seeing as they usual go for around $550. I got mine for $420 shipped.
If you keep an eye out in the classified section over there you can see them for the upper 4's fairly often.
I figure this paired up with my MarkBass f1 will be all that I need. Seeing how they get SILLY loud and cut through the mix, if I need anything more then I should be using PA support anyways. I will definitely let you know my impressions after tonight.
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jeremy, i gots to hate right now. i saw the ad where u got urs from. that dude was in my area in brooklyn. i couldve picked it up and didnt even have to pay shipping. right outta my back yard. im heated right now. lol.
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I just bought a schroeder 1210R for $400 off of talkbass.com
[url]http://www.schroedercabinets.com/1210.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.schroedercabinets.com/1210.htm[/url])
Barely bigger than a 1x12 cab and apparently they can replace a 4x10. Not to mention it's lighter then my 4x10.
I played one at bass club chicago and that little sucker KICKS!!!!
I have a visiting church to play at tonight and I'll be taking my cab out there to see how it does!!!
Wow, nice score!
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jeremy, i gots to hate right now. i saw the ad where u got urs from. that dude was in my area in brooklyn. i couldve picked it up and didnt even have to pay shipping. right outta my back yard. im heated right now. lol.
it had to be an act of God because he had it up for sale for a month. After searching for a while I found the ad and didn't think twice..lol
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ok, so I got off of work an d flew home to pick up the cab from the mail room. I had enough time to unpack it adn put it in the car before heading to the other church. Well I get down there and my eq settings for my 410 didn't work for the schroeder at all!!!!! I think it's because the church had a wood ceiling. But this is the first time I've had to CUT my lows :o I cut my lows back to 11 o'clock, bumped my low mids up to 1 o'clock and made slight adjustments on the bass and WOW!!!!!
This little thing is the TRUTH!!!!!!! Talk about sitting in the mix SOLID!!!!!!!!!! It was like I had my own sound frequency that even the organ bass pedals couldn't try to intrude upon. This cab was ROCKING!!!!!!!!!! I never though that it would work that good for gospel, but I have a new #1 cab (and I am a big fan of my avatar b410 neo)
By looking at it you'd never think this small cab could be SOOOOO SERIOUS!!!!!!
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I see you put up your avatar for sale on TB. That little thing must really be doing it for ya.
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i found someone here in Brooklyn selling a schroeder 1210 for $375 on craigslist. i sent an email to see if the offer was still available. we'll see what happens with that.
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i found someone here in Brooklyn selling a schroeder 1210 for $375 on craigslist. i sent an email to see if the offer was still available. we'll see what happens with that.
well thats a no-go. in fact, im suspecting that mightve been the very same one that you bought jeremy. foiled again.
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I see you put up your avatar for sale on TB. That little thing must really be doing it for ya.
it's a BEAST in every sense of the word doc!!!!
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Everything Epifani UL
I have the UL 4x10; 2x10; 1x15; and a pair of UL112's I use the 1x12 stack most often. All my gear in and out in one trip.
All that with 4 titanium screws in my back and a fusion at L5.
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I'm gonna have to agree w/ddwilkins. If you are going up against Hammond B3 & drums & vocals you are gonna need sometining more than 2/12's. Sorry but it is the burden we bear IF you want to have great sound. I Use the SWR Goliath 3 for most gigs @ 85lbs (feels like 100lbs sometimes!) This way I KNOW my sound will be right!
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I'm gonna have to agree w/ddwilkins. If you are going up against Hammond B3 & drums & vocals you are gonna need sometining more than 2/12's. Sorry but it is the burden we bear IF you want to have great sound. I Use the SWR Goliath 3 for most gigs @ 85lbs (feels like 100lbs sometimes!) This way I KNOW my sound will be right!
I have to disagree.
I've gone up against a Hammond B3 & drums & vocals & guitar player with an Ampeg 4x8 and sat in NICE.
With my new Schroeder 1210 It's not even funny how I cut through the mix EFFORTLESSLY. It really is amazing.
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I also disagree. I've gone up against the B3, drums, vocals, TWO guitars, and a LOUD guy on the keys who had no sense of volume control. My 410 and Markbass LMII stood it's ground and didn't budge, and I didn't have to try to out-volume everyone else..
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I have to disagree.
I've gone up against a Hammond B3 & drums & vocals & guitar player with an Ampeg 4x8 and sat in NICE.
With my new Schroeder 1210 It's not even funny how I cut through the mix EFFORTLESSLY. It really is amazing.
until i can find one for a good price, no mo' schroeder talk on this thread. LOL :'(
i may end up just getting the avatar 210.
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until i can find one for a good price, no mo' schroeder talk on this thread. LOL :'(
i may end up just getting the avatar 210.
LOL. How big is the church you're playing at? A 1x12 might be all that you need to be honest. Could you give us an idea of the venue?
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LOL. How big is the church you're playing at? A 1x12 might be all that you need to be honest. Could you give us an idea of the venue?
I had an 8ohm SB112, it wasn't enough. I sent it back and got the 4 ohm B210. The B210 works great.
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I had an 8ohm SB112, it wasn't enough. I sent it back and got the 4 ohm B210. The B210 works great.
8ohm might not have had enough wattage rating to keep up.
Notice you went from 8ohm to 4ohms.
a single 12 can come very close to a 2x10.
It's all about knowing your venue and selecting gear appropriately.
I'm sure an Aguilar db112 would be enough for Alot of smaller size churches.
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8ohm might not have had enough wattage rating to keep up.
Notice you went from 8ohm to 4ohms.
a single 12 can come very close to a 2x10.
It's all about knowing your venue and selecting gear appropriately.
I'm sure an Aguilar db112 would be enough for Alot of smaller size churches.
I understand what you are saying. But the SB112 would start clipping with very insufficient volume. It could be that the differnce in ohms made a difference, but the B210 has no trouble at all keeping up with a moderate volume Hammand and Leslie. I don't think that the one-twelve by Avatar would have been enough, just not enough air moving. My other cabinets are 8 ohms. They are more than sufficient.
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I just rechecked the specs on Avatar's site. The SB112 has 250 watts, (in 8 or 4 ohms) and the B210 has 500 watts. I think that's why there is such a huge volume and power handling difference.
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LOL. How big is the church you're playing at? A 1x12 might be all that you need to be honest. Could you give us an idea of the venue?
actually i dont know. never been to the church we gonna be at for the convocation. the church we had our rehearsal today my 2x8 did fairly well but it wasnt as big as the church we did that 3-day conference at and nowhere as big as the church we normally have our conferences or the other church we had the week-long conference earlier this year. i just need something that can handle most big churches fairly well (the huge churches may have me run through the house). but i cant afford to have a closet full of cabs to pick and choose from depending on where im going.
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I just rechecked the specs on Avatar's site. The SB112 has 250 watts, (in 8 or 4 ohms) and the B210 has 500 watts. I think that's why there is such a huge volume and power handling difference.
yup, that's the reason.
If the SB112 would've been 500watts at 4 ohms you would've been fine. Nice oberservation and hopefully this info will help someone not make the wrong mistake when picking a cab for their needs.
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plus the 210 is pushing more air than the 115, which actually increases the output. so a 210 at 500W would still push more than a 115 at 500W but ur range of sound may be different because the 12's have a different frequency response than the 10's.
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plus the 210 is pushing more air than the 115, which actually increases the output. so a 210 at 500W would still push more than a 115 at 500W but ur range of sound may be different because the 12's have a different frequency response than the 10's.
that isn't necessarily 100% true.
It then goes to speaker ratings and the tuning of the box the speaker is in.
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that isn't necessarily 100% true.
It then goes to speaker ratings and the tuning of the box the speaker is in.
well thats kinda like a given. sort of the same way a totally crappy 500W speaker isnt necessarily better than a high quality 300W speaker
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I just bought a schroeder 1210R for $400 off of talkbass.com
[url]http://www.schroedercabinets.com/1210.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.schroedercabinets.com/1210.htm[/url])
Barely bigger than a 1x12 cab and apparently they can replace a 4x10. Not to mention it's lighter then my 4x10.
I played one at bass club chicago and that little sucker KICKS!!!!
I have a visiting church to play at tonight and I'll be taking my cab out there to see how it does!!!
jeremyr I'm also a/b-ing this cabinet,because I have a friend who endorses these cabinets so it's kinda cool to get to try out jorg schroeder stuff, however I'm finding them to be a little sterile,but I will say they hold GOBS OF POWER !!!.,
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jeremyr I'm also a/b-ing this cabinet,because I have a friend who endorses these cabinets so it's kinda cool to get to try out jorg schroeder stuff, however I'm finding them to be a little sterile,but I will say they hold GOBS OF POWER !!!.,
it's all in the EQ. The thing about these cabs is a cutting tone most people aren't use to. I honestly prefer it (for now that is..lol).
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it's all in the EQ. The thing about these cabs is a cutting tone most people aren't use to. I honestly prefer it (for now that is..lol).
...then GAS will strike again and you're gonna get hold of some Bergantino gear... lol!
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...then GAS will strike again and you're gonna get hold of some Bergantino gear... lol!
I'm set on the schroeder.
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I'm set on <insert bass gear here>.
That's what they all say... lol
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...then GAS will strike again and you're gonna get hold of some Bergantino gear... lol!
Funny this is mention,because I just left bass central and I will be trading in both Aguilar single 12 cabinets and ( because these days I only use 1 anyway) and both of my SWR Goliath III 4X10 and Son of Bertha for the Bergatino 1p112ER single 12 "powered cabinet. This is by far the most musical cabinet that I've ever played thru not to mention by it being a powered cabinet I can use my EBS Microbass II DI preamp/DI ( gotta love Craigs list ) for my amplification and leave the GenzBenz shuttle at the crib.
It's expensive but I wanted something different.
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NICE! Those IP Bergs are no joke... unbelievable power in those things. You know they're making Neo cabs now too? They're not IP though.
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I haven’t played one yet (maybe tonight at JiveSound?), but I wanna check out that Berg AE210.
My Epifani UL-310 is doing it for me (when not using my 112 or in-ear monitors)
There's a UL-210 on Boston Craigslist I wish I could snag.
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I'm gonna have to agree w/ddwilkins. If you are going up against Hammond B3 & drums & vocals you are gonna need sometining more than 2/12's. Sorry but it is the burden we bear IF you want to have great sound. I Use the SWR Goliath 3 for most gigs @ 85lbs (feels like 100lbs sometimes!) This way I KNOW my sound will be right!
Bruh what 212's have you played through?? My GB 212 destroys. When I was using my GBE 600, I'd do concerts with a B3, Keys, drums, aux percussion, guitar, AND a choir, and I never had to cut it past 1:00. Crazy thing is, you really have to push the cabs to get their full potential. Ive actually set it up in a band hall and cranked the volume to full and SLAPPED, and it never farted. Im actually in the market of going smaller myself though, mostly because my rig is overkill for the stuff Im doing. That rig you got jeremy looks right on point to. I already got the shuttle, now now I just gotta find a cab. Im nervous though, cause I dont want to downgrade in sound.
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Bruh what 212's have you played through?? My GB 212 destroys. When I was using my GBE 600, I'd do concerts with a B3, Keys, drums, aux percussion, guitar, AND a choir, and I never had to cut it past 1:00. Crazy thing is, you really have to push the cabs to get their full potential. Ive actually set it up in a band hall and cranked the volume to full and SLAPPED, and it never farted. Im actually in the market of going smaller myself though, mostly because my rig is overkill for the stuff Im doing. That rig you got jeremy looks right on point to. I already got the shuttle, now now I just gotta find a cab. Im nervous though, cause I dont want to downgrade in sound.
So this past sabbath was the first time I used the Schroeder in my church.
let me tell you this.
I couldn't turn up my markbass F1 past 10:00!!!!!!
That little joker is LOOUUUDDDDD, CRISSSSPPP and the TRUTH. I still can't believe it. I use to have to turn up my avatar b410 to at least 12:00 on the gain and Master Volume. Now i'm at 11:00 on the gain and 10:00 on the master and I have the volume on my bass at about 70%.
AMAZING!!!! If you want small and can get the job done.....look for a Schroeder 1212 or a 1210. I guarantee you you won't go wrong!!!
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Man, you need to stop... you're gonna have me looking for one, lol!
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Man, you need to stop... you're gonna have me looking for one, lol!
He's got you too????
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I just missed that one for 440 on TB LOLOL.
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LOL! There used to be a used one right here in town at Bass Emporium, but its gone now.
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When I went to the London International Music Show, I found a company called Zoot who make cabs. Strangely enough there was a 4*10 cab in their selection and it had a notice on it saying "Pick me up". The Zoot employee told me I should try it. I picked it up and it was ridiculously light. The weight defied the size of it completely. I tried a Zoot bass on the cab. All their cabs were running through Markbass. It sounded quite good but I haven't had time to test it fully. I can't be too sure.