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Gospel Instruments => Bass Guitar => Topic started by: Torch7 on July 18, 2008, 02:02:12 PM
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Dhagler, I just placed an order for a:
(http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/bass/sjb7541nat4.jpg)
I bought myself a birthday present, even though I know it will probably end up in my daughter's (aka The most beautiful bass player alive - according to her father) hands quite often, since the neck on her hand me down from Dad -- Ibanez neck is warped beyond legal limits, with no accessible truss rod.
Ahem, okay back from my rant. I am excited, you would think I just ordered a custom pavel, or callowhill...LOL!
Dropping an Audere in Sounds awfully good to me, too!
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congrats. Are you planning on changing the bridge to get the string spacing up from the stock 16.5mm?
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I hadn't made many plans... but that sounds good too....:)
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Dhagler, I just placed an order for a:
([url]http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/bass/sjb7541nat4.jpg[/url])
I bought myself a birthday present, even though I know it will probably end up in my daughter's (aka The most beautiful bass player alive - according to her father) hands quite often, since the neck on her hand me down from Dad -- Ibanez neck is warped beyond legal limits, with no accessible truss rod.
Ahem, okay back from my rant. I am excited, you would think I just ordered a custom pavel, or callowhill...LOL!
Dropping an Audere in Sounds awfully good to me, too!
You're going to love that bass! If I ever decide to replace my three-tone sunburst that's what I would go with. At less than $175 shipped you really can't go wrong. Many people replace the pickups and I like Jeremy's suggestion to replace the bridge, just haven't gotten bold enough to try it. I don't know much about preamps: can you put an Audere in a passive bass?
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Good biz. I had no idea that the stock spacing was that narrow... if I got one I'd have to change that bridge.
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You're going to love that bass! If I ever decide to replace my three-tone sunburst that's what I would go with. At less than $175 shipped you really can't go wrong. Many people replace the pickups and I like Jeremy's suggestion to replace the bridge, just haven't gotten bold enough to try it. I don't know much about preamps: can you put an Audere in a passive bass?
The preamp drops in the cavity and makes it active.. the pickups have to be passive in order for it to work..
http://www.audereaudio.com/JZ3.htm (http://www.audereaudio.com/JZ3.htm)
I saw a guy with a modded one on youtube his was 4 string I believe, and it sounded really good. It even sounded good before the modifications:
He has a video entitled: "Y Hubo Alguien - Marc Anthony (bass play along)" Sounded really good to my ears.
Yes Jeremyr, bassthumpa good call on the bridge, I was just gonna deal with the tight spacing. I feel like a kid about to rip open a model car project.
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Those are sharp. If the spacing was a little bigger, I'd have one already. I'm curious how the new bridge would work out, since I think the pickups and board are more narrow.
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That bass looks good. I was thinking about buying a Used MIM Fender JAzz and doing the same modifications, but for that price i might just buy that SX. i do have one question!!!! Is there any way to remove that SX logo from the headstock, because I would get straight clowned if other bass players that I know saw that SX on my bass?????
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That bass looks good. I was thinking about buying a Used MIM Fender JAzz and doing the same modifications, but for that price i might just buy that SX. i do have one question!!!! Is there any way to remove that SX logo from the headstock, because I would get straight clowned if other bass players that I know saw that SX on my bass?????
Yes, but after they played it, and then learned how little you paid for it, they would run to the nearest computer and order one. ;)
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I'm hoping the string spacing is not that big a deal. Its not that big a difference from my TRB1005, I don't know if the 35" vs. 34" scale will cause a big difference.
Now I am even more amped to get it to see how it will be, and at that price, I couldn't resist pulling the trigger on this one. Dhagler how is the string spacing, for you?
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i have the 4 string which is actually a pretty good bass. i saw no flaws when i recieved it. i want to buy the 5 string, but i am curious whether or not it can accomodate a bridge with 19mm or at least 18mm spacing. would love to mod one of those, the 5 string i have now is sooooo heavy, i could use a lighter axe.
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Dhagler how is the string spacing, for you?
It's fine for me, but please bear in mind I am a relative newbie so I don't have a lot of comparative experience.
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It's fine for me, but please bear in mind I am a relative newbie so I don't have a lot of comparative experience.
I know what you mean. My TRB is my first bass, and since I got used to playing it. Everything else I've played I compare to that, because
that's what I am comfortable playing. I think it's all relative.. newbie or not. :)
Thanks for the feedback though.
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I think that Im going to put an Audere JZ3 preamp in my SX bass, use Bartolini Jazz pickups, a Leo Quann bridge, and of course I'll go with a higher grade of strings. It should be nice. Thanks for the idea Torch and DHagler
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I think that Im going to put an Audere JZ3 preamp in my SX bass, use Bartolini Jazz pickups, a Leo Quann bridge, and of course I'll go with a higher grade of strings.
That sounds like a winner...
Do you have any specs on that Leo Quann Bridge, or a site?
My upgrades are really an after-thought.... Like alot of those folks on HGTV flip that house show. "BASS FLIPPERS" I like the sound of that. ;D
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That bass looks good. I was thinking about buying a Used MIM Fender JAzz and doing the same modifications, but for that price i might just buy that SX. i do have one question!!!! Is there any way to remove that SX logo from the headstock, because I would get straight clowned if other bass players that I know saw that SX on my bass?????
Man, I wouldn’t worry about that. If you can score in a pair of Keds, then nobody with any game is gonna worry about your shoes. All the headstock gazers will be converts when hear a solid groove.
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Man, I wouldn’t worry about that. If you can score in a pair of Keds, then nobody with any game is gonna worry about your shoes. All the headstock gazers will be converts when hear a solid groove.
LOL!... That's a great analogy... I'm just thinking about somebody, taking me to the rack in a pair of keds... i would be so embarassed.... You gotta fake an injury at that point... LOL!
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Yes, but after they played it, and then learned how little you paid for it, they would run to the nearest computer and order one. ;)
Indeed.
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...Is there any way to remove that SX logo from the headstock...
I think an SX logo will be better that no logo at all.
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There will always be that element of people who are extremely brand conscious. About the basses they play, clothes they wear, the cars they drive, the foods they buy at the grocery store, etc. At the same time, none of those folks write their bills from my checkbook. And I don't write my bills from theirs. ;)
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LOL!... That's a great analogy... I'm just thinking about somebody, taking me to the rack in a pair of keds... i would be so embarassed.... You gotta fake an injury at that point... LOL!
Right!?!
"Oh, my hamstring!!" Or in this case; "Oh, my carpal tunnel is acting up!!"
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Right!?!
"Oh, my hamstring!!" Or in this case; "Oh, my carpal tunnel is acting up!!"
No doubt.... OH, LORD my big toe done fell off in my shoe, yall keep playing... I'm gone go and take care of this...
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No doubt.... OH, LORD my big toe done fell off in my shoe, yall keep playing... I'm gone go and take care of this...
ROTFLMAO!! (my wife heard me laughing and had to know what it was, so you got her too!!)
I just about ripped my big toenail off in a city league game, so that got me good!! Guys were all giving me grief until I took off my sock and it look all mangled.
OR sticking with the bass game: I could play that groove you got going on the SX, but the flux capacitor on my 5'er isn't in sync with the chrome go-faster; and it's causing the diamond plated lithium crystals to exhibit vibrations that are mimicing the anti-groove.
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A local college student brought one of these into the shop for some tweaks the other day. He drew the letter "u" in between the S and X on the headstock. "What's THAT for?"
He explained he couldn't afford a Junk, so he felt a "SUX" was the next best thing. I thought it was pretty funny. I took off the old bridge and put a Quann on it. I didn't see this thread until AFTER the bass left the shop, I would have measured the neck to determine max bridge ctc spacing had I known this was here. Since I don't know - stick with the Quann because you can customize the spacing to suit your tastes without making it too wide.
I think they are a great bang for the buck. I brand new finished SX can be bought for about what I pay for a single un-milled plank of wood for a body blank. Tear that thing up!
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ROTFLMAO!! (my wife heard me laughing and had to know what it was, so you got her too!!)
I just about ripped my big toenail off in a city league game, so that got me good!! Guys were all giving me grief until I took off my sock and it look all mangled.
OR sticking with the bass game: I could play that groove you got going on the SX, but the flux capacitor on my 5'er isn't in sync with the chrome go-faster; and it's causing the diamond plated lithium crystals to exhibit vibrations that are mimicing the anti-groove.
Ouch...that toe injury sounds painful!
Man I hate when the flux capacitor messes up on my bass... That's why I upgraded it with a Mr. Fusion. :)
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A local college student brought one of these into the shop for some tweaks the other day. He drew the letter "u" in between the S and X on the headstock. "What's THAT for?"
He explained he couldn't afford a Junk, so he felt a "SUX" was the next best thing. I thought it was pretty funny. I took off the old bridge and put a Quann on it. I didn't see this thread until AFTER the bass left the shop, I would have measured the neck to determine max bridge ctc spacing had I known this was here. Since I don't know - stick with the Quann because you can customize the spacing to suit your tastes without making it too wide.
I think they are a great bang for the buck. I brand new finished SX can be bought for about what I pay for a single un-milled plank of wood for a body blank. Tear that thing up!
This is what the specs say at on the site:
Width of the neck at the nut: 1 3/4"; at the 20st fret: 2 9/16 " String spacing at the nut is 3/8" and 5/8" at the 20th fret
Don't know if that means anything.
Once again Tim... you bring your wealth of wisdom to the board. It's cool how you let your Instruments speak for themselves, and are secure enough to recommend lesser instruments...
I wanna be like you when I grow up.
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"This is what the specs say at on the site:
Width of the neck at the nut: 1 3/4"; at the 20st fret: 2 9/16 " String spacing at the nut is 3/8" and 5/8" at the 20th fret
Don't know if that means anything.
Once again Tim... you bring your wealth of wisdom to the board. It's cool how you let your Instruments speak for themselves, and are secure enough to recommend lesser instruments...
I wanna be like you when I grow up. "
I just did a check on these dimensions, and 18mm ctc would be super tight to the edge of the board. I'd probably max it out at 17mm if I had to swap out a pre-cut bridge. Mind you, that's just a cad drawing so a real-life switch out might be a bit different.
I recommend the cheaper stuff because they work. Not everyone can afford the type of stuff I make, and I don't think anyone should have to feel bad because the play a game in keds!
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Thanks Tim...
(http://www.keds.com/images/us/local/products/altview/detail/164360_1_alv.jpg)
I wonder if KJ or Kobe would were these keds... :)
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hey torch, i was imagining these...
(http://www.keds.com/images/us/local/products/altview/detail/165040_1_alv.jpg)
cause thats what my bass budget looks like at the moment. lol
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hey torch, i was imagining these...
([url]http://www.keds.com/images/us/local/products/altview/detail/165040_1_alv.jpg[/url])
cause thats what my bass budget looks like at the moment. lol
I feel ya.
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hey torch, i was imagining these...
([url]http://www.keds.com/images/us/local/products/altview/detail/165040_1_alv.jpg[/url])
cause thats what my bass budget looks like at the moment. lol
LOL!! I couldn't pass up a game and actually blew out a pair similar to these back in the day. One good jump stop and it was up on my shin. ;D
Torch7, those would be fresh nowadays with a pair of jeans. ;)
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LOL!! I couldn't pass up a game and actually blew out a pair similar to these back in the day. One good jump stop and it was up on my shin. ;D
Similar experience, but in a football game...in some canvas shoes, they weren't keds though... I juked myself, right through my shoe...lol.
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yall are crazy..HAHAHA
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Similar experience, but in a football game...in some canvas shoes, they weren't keds though... I juked myself, right through my shoe...lol.
LOL!!!
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Similar experience, but in a football game...in some canvas shoes, they weren't keds though... I juked myself, right through my shoe...lol.
LOL!!!
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yall are crazy..HAHAHA
I know this thread has gone from gear modification, to sports, to footwear, and back... serious rabbit trails... but I always enjoy chasing rabbits...LOL!
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yeah. hence the carrot advice on that other thread. LOL.
ok, back to the topic at hand. the SX is at www.rondomusic.com (http://www.rondomusic.com) right? i went there and i only saw 4 stringers. i wanted to see the prices for a 5'ver.
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yeah. hence the carrot advice on that other thread. LOL.
ok, back to the topic at hand. the SX is at [url=http://www.rondomusic.com]www.rondomusic.com[/url] ([url]http://www.rondomusic.com[/url]) right? i went there and i only saw 4 stringers. i wanted to see the prices for a 5'ver.
You have to click the 5 string tab up top, it links to the following place:
http://www.rondomusic.com/bassguitars5.html (http://www.rondomusic.com/bassguitars5.html)
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yeah. hence the carrot advice on that other thread. LOL.
ok, back to the topic at hand. the SX is at [url=http://www.rondomusic.com]www.rondomusic.com[/url] ([url]http://www.rondomusic.com[/url]) right? i went there and i only saw 4 stringers. i wanted to see the prices for a 5'ver.
That is the correct website. There should be a tab that says "5-string" at the top of the Basses page.
http://www.rondomusic.com/bassguitars5.html (http://www.rondomusic.com/bassguitars5.html)
I am thinking seriously about a Fretless Jazz 5. I can't find a passive one for under $1000.
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I was thinking of getting that same Bass. In fact I was considering getting the 4 and 5 string. Let us know how it sounds and feels.
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You have to click the 5 string tab up top, it links to the following place:
[url]http://www.rondomusic.com/bassguitars5.html[/url] ([url]http://www.rondomusic.com/bassguitars5.html[/url])
**cleaning my glasses**
how did i totally miss that. and i remember going to this site a while back too. so im like "what, they dont have 5's anymore cause i know i saw them before". a total spaced out moment. thanks.
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The Bass Arrived today... My initial reaction, was wow, I got this bass for 160 bucks. I shot a short video, but I'm feeling very sick today, so my thoughts have been fleeting, and my playing is rough to say the least.
Anyhow I will edit and post the video later.
My thoughts:
I would play the bass as is at church.
The string spacing is not that big an issue, its actually feels very similar to my TRB1005.
I'm getting a bit of fret clanking from a couple of the strings. (nothing a setup couldn't fix)
No discernable buzz from the pickups.
The neck is very playable.
I like the tone I get without having to tweak my amp.
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I'll trade you a Shure Pgx4 wireless setup for that bass and some cash(no joke)!!!!
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I'll trade you a Shure Pgx4 wireless setup for that bass and some cash(no joke)!!!!
Sorry Br'er.
I'm excited about modding this bad boy... The Audere should be here Monday.
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Wow...didn't take long huh?
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No sir.... I actually ordered it, the day after I ordered the bass..
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The Video:
http://www.youtube.com/v/4w28NI5JesI (http://www.youtube.com/v/4w28NI5JesI)
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**cleaning my glasses**
how did i totally miss that. and i remember going to this site a while back too. so im like "what, they dont have 5's anymore cause i know i saw them before". a total spaced out moment. thanks.
No worries. We are here to help one another. :)
I keep looking at that fretless Jazz 5. Then again, I am also thinking about changing tuners and bridge on my current Jazz 5.
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Torch, I want to say how much your video blessed me. You said what so many guys out there really need to hear about gear.
I am already on the SX bandwagon, but your bass is making me want to go back for another one. :) Please keep us updated as you install the Audere pre-amp.
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no doubt.
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Preciate the video, Torch7. SX is sounding good and your philosophy is right on.
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Ijust put a BadAss II bridge on mind and my tech replaced the nut with a true bone nut that gives me 18mm spacing and plays great.I'm not going to change the pickups as of yet because they sound pretty good along with the Seymour Duncan Paranormal outboard preamp/DI box that I've been using
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Dhagler, I just placed an order for a:
([url]http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/bass/sjb7541nat4.jpg[/url])
I bought myself a birthday present, even though I know it will probably end up in my daughter's (aka The most beautiful bass player alive - according to her father) hands quite often, since the neck on her hand me down from Dad -- Ibanez neck is warped beyond legal limits, with no accessible truss rod.
Ahem, okay back from my rant. I am excited, you would think I just ordered a custom pavel, or callowhill...LOL!
Dropping an Audere in Sounds awfully good to me, too!
How do I get one?
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That thing sounds awesome out the box!
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How do I get one?
http://www.rondomusic.com/product744.html (http://www.rondomusic.com/product744.html)
That thing sounds awesome out the box!
Can you imagine how it is going to sound after he gets a setup, changes strings, and installs the Audere?
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how good are their six strings bassesjust curious about the brice six string with the jazz pickups thanks
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How do I get one?
Sorry Bigblackdrummer, I was out all day today.... but dhagler, gave you the correct site...
Thanks Dhagler...
The Audere arrive tomorrow.
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[url]http://www.rondomusic.com/product744.html[/url] ([url]http://www.rondomusic.com/product744.html[/url])
Can you imagine how it is going to sound after he gets a setup, changes strings, and installs the Audere?
Thank you!
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how good are their six strings bassesjust curious about the brice six string with the jazz pickups thanks
I've owned two.
They are good, but the electronics are pretty much garbage. The pickups might be fine with a new preamp, but the stock preamp is a piece of trash.
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That bass sounded pretty decent. You are making me consider getting one and modding it myself. Slap in a Audere and some Duncan's, powerhouse then.
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That bass sounded pretty decent. You are making me consider getting one and modding it myself. Slap in a Audere and some Duncan's, powerhouse then.
The Audere was dropped in earlier tonight... It took all of 30 minutes. It definately gives it a greater range of tones. I've only played around with it for about 10 minutes. I'll have to update the video later this week.
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The Audere was dropped in earlier tonight... It took all of 30 minutes. It definately gives it a greater range of tones. I've only played around with it for about 10 minutes. I'll have to update the video later this week.
OK, so I am a complete novice when it comes to modding a bass. You added a pre-amp to a passive bass.
1. What are the intrinsic benefits of doing such a thing?
2. Does the once passive bass now become active and thus require a battery?
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OK, so I am a complete novice when it comes to modding a bass. You added a pre-amp to a passive bass.
1. What are the intrinsic benefits of doing such a thing?
2. Does the once passive bass now become active and thus require a battery?
1. more tonal range
2. yes, the preamp is active, thus making the bass active, but the pickups are usually passive. EMG makes a set of active pickups.
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which should i get i like the five string sx but iwanted a six strng the sunburst one which is the better value and which plays better thanks(http://)
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1. more tonal range
2. yes, the preamp is active, thus making the bass active, but the pickups are usually passive. EMG makes a set of active pickups.
What ddwilkins said.
The Audere preamp will not work with the EMG active pickups.
I haven't had the opportunity to play my bass this evening, so I haven't been able to see how it performs with the new preamp... no turning back now, though... I am committed to the active sound.
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which should i get i like the five string sx but iwanted a six strng the sunburst one which is the better value and which plays better thanks(http://)
I'm not sure fluteminstrel.
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What ddwilkins said.
The Audere preamp will not work with the EMG active pickups.
I forgot to mention that part.
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I forgot to mention that part.
;D
Sorry it was late last night, I just looked at what I wrote and how it sounds in the context.
I meant to say... Ditto to what ddwilkins said. and to add that It doesn't work with active pickup.... :D
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i think now they provide Optional coupling caps to facilitate active pickups. have you decided whether or not to put a wider bridge on the sx ? i really want to know if the neck is wide enough for 18mm spacing. thanks
peace
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i think now they provide Optional coupling caps to facilitate active pickups. have you decided whether or not to put a wider bridge on the sx ? i really want to know if the neck is wide enough for 18mm spacing. thanks
peace
I don't think I will, it's fine for me as is.
They may have adjusted it for the active pickups, but the site call the EMG active pickups by name, as one that doesn't work.
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GET YOU AH.. HIPSHOT BRIDGE.. TIGHT WORK...
http://www.hipshotproducts.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=3 (http://www.hipshotproducts.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=3)
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My main concern is the action and the feel... I once purchased a Douglas Bass on rondo site, the sound was really good and growly but was unplayable with the action being so high, i even but a business card under the neck and still wasn't satisfied..
So i sold it for $60, a $100 loss for me...
So with the jazz bass i'm hearing good reviews: i have a choice of buying Fender MIM jazz or start out with a small investment with the SX.. i like the fact that the swamp ash has a natural look and the maple neck gives it a good bite and growl...
How would you feel of getting the MIM Jazz or SX?
I'm sure this question has been posted before.
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I own one of each, and I would say it would depend on:
(1) how much you want to spend. MIM Fenders can be had for around $300, the SX for around $170.
(2) how much you plan to mod. Neither of mine is, at least for the moment. From what I have read, you have better success finding parts for Fenders, and you have to do less drilling, etc., to make things fit properly. Even something as simple as a pickguard would require extra holes on an SX.
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I own one of each, and I would say it would depend on:
(1) how much you want to spend. MIM Fenders can be had for around $300, the SX for around $170.
(2) how much you plan to mod. Neither of mine is, at least for the moment. From what I have read, you have better success finding parts for Fenders, and you have to do less drilling, etc., to make things fit properly. Even something as simple as a pickguard would require extra holes on an SX.
I don't mind spending for a used MIM Fender, also i might even do the american fender but i'm only going to do that for a 5 string... i can also make monthly payments at www.americanmusical.com (http://www.americanmusical.com) which is a good deal if you don't have all the funds up front.
I guess what i'm comparing too. To get a fender with a maple neck and swamp ash, i would have to get an American, but for only $170 bucks, i wonder if this quality is as good as the MIM Fenders...
I don't mind spending if the quality is there. IF the SX basses are really made for beginner basses then i probably will pass. hmm. not sure, so confusing :(
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I don't mind spending for a used MIM Fender, also i might even do the american fender but i'm only going to do that for a 5 string... i can also make monthly payments at [url=http://www.americanmusical.com]www.americanmusical.com[/url] ([url]http://www.americanmusical.com[/url]) which is a good deal if you don't have all the funds up front.
I guess what i'm comparing too. To get a fender with a maple neck and swamp ash, i would have to get an American, but for only $170 bucks, i wonder if this quality is as good as the MIM Fenders...
I don't mind spending if the quality is there. IF the SX basses are really made for beginner basses then i probably will pass. hmm. not sure, so confusing :(
On mines the action is still a bit high after I adjusted the height on the saddles holding the strings with an allen wrench. I dropped the pickups a tad bit because the string keeps hitting the magnets when I slap. I don't slap all that often so its not an issue. The neck seems straight to me... the string spacing is a bit narrow, but not all that noticeable to me. If I where to take it to get professionally setup I think i would have a really nice bass.
I know that doesn't help you decision at all.. The B-string is suprisingly responsive on it. The stock strings are not my cup of tea either... I'm gonna throw some DR's on it soon. If your worried about playability, it's playable in my opinion. It may not be what you want out of the box though... I'm satisfied with mines.
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is this Bass active or passive??
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is this Bass active or passive??
It was passive, before I installed an Audere preamp... Now it's active.
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Another diff to consider on the SX vs Fender.
The Neck. I've found that my MIM Jazz neck is a thinner profile than the SX. The SX has a different radius so it "feels" wider than the MIM.
That being said, the SX Jazz basses are really good, and if you feel like making it yours, by adding the shims and setup tweaks etc, you'll find you have a Great bass for a little money.