drama already ?? ..
if i was big kris, i wouldve had some words for Mike.
i just didnt like seeing him saying wut he saying..
THEN STILL GOT HIS WAY AT THE END???
be greatful that your there to begin with and know that YOUR talented isnt what got you in the house. it was all god's will and if i had a problem with one of the fellow musician id try to help him first b4 talkin about him to anotha person. whether they are musically trained or self-taught.
really didn't see much playing like last episode but this episode has inspired me to pick back up the books cause i've been lazy!!!!!1
Jamareo put some soul into that exercise!!! LOL
I don't really watch it...
like kris told me a few weeks ago when we was in ihop..lol he remembers where he comes from, he knows wheres he's going and he knows who's he serving....BUT THAT MIKE..OH HE GOT HIS COMING FO SHO!!
Believe me dude, Rawbiz is going to be alright. He is a working bassist with a very nice resume, and he isn't going to bow down or act a fool up in there so the cameras won't pay him any mind until it's time to really get busy. The producers of the show want to capture those that are willing to do whatever for some attention. they do the some thing on these "finding love" shows. It's going to get more foolish as the weeks go on.
It's television people. The should really call this show "As the Diddy Turns" or "The Young and the Diddy."
To the above post....EXACTLY!!!!!
Like the whole clapping out exercises and stuff were things I did in music class as a child before I even started to read drum music...the kinda of stuff they were doin wasn't nothin but the ability to freakin count....1 e & a...know ya rests and put the note where it belongs....I mean dude was nice but this is a prime example of where the old school 'god done blessed me I don't need no formal help' mentality comes back and bites you
...you should've seen it last night doc'. It was a reality check. Cats got shown the real side of being a "professional working musician" last night. :o
But I don't aspire to be a professional working musician, though... Is it only for those who aspire to that?
I've read the responses, and I agree with BigFoot_BigThumb when he stated "C'mon yall. Did you really think it was about putting a band together? Anything from the MTB/MHB franchise with Diddy's name on it is all about the drama." Based on his previous shows, it was more about that, than anything else. If that's the case, I'll pass... ;D
Kris wasn't hungry enough...... ;D.........and in the words of Rob, "thats a done deal". He knew he couldn't read the music, yet he was at the table chatting it up with the others, then he's outside arguing with Mike. This is the valuable time he should have been using to learn the exercise. I think he thought it was boring and was going to rely on memory to carry him through the challenge....
Mike called out Kris to cover up his own securities......but that is none of Kris's concern. People are going to talk about you no matter what you do. Instead of confronting Mike, he should have went to the practice room worked extra hard to prove him wrong. But in the end he just proved that what Mike was saying was a valid point.
I did not see the show yet but it souunds like the lessons myself and others here on the board have come to the forefront of truth.
Being prepard for your opportunity is paramount period. In the words of Will Smith, "Stay reaady and you don'thaveto get ready." In Biblical terms, faith without works is dead.
Learn from the mistakes and earthly truths you see on the show.
I think the difference between kris and mike was that mike tried and couldnt. and he expressed that he wanted to switch before the exercise. He was honest and open. He didnt feel that he stood a chance as a keyboard player, so he needed to move to drums. I think he gone need to bring it now though. Cuz rob lewis seemed kinda mad or sad about his decision to switch. Rob probly gone go at him harder than all the other drummers.
yes mike moore should have done things a little different but, lets be real yall if it was any of us in that situation how would you have handled it, i think kris handled it professionally, but to the point rare oppertunities are givin, gospel or not the profession is all the same you cant be a slacker, if you gonna go for something go all the way, you cant put one foot in and try to test the waters and see if thats what you do or dont want that will refer to your resume
First of all, I don't see why Eric Moore didn't make it. Their is not one person on that show that I can say is a better drummer than Eric Moore. I don't know if Eric Moore can read, but even if he CAN'T - he OBVIOUSLY wouldn't be the only person on the show that can't read. It's not a skill he can't pick up relatively quickly, anyway. It'd be ton's easier for Eric Moore to learn to read, than for someone who can read only, to learn to play like Eric Moore.
At the same time, I find this whole show comical. Diddy's assistant's are acting all high and mighty like they're auditioning musician's for a Miles Davis quartet. ::) None of these guys are upper-tier technician's/theoretician's, so it should be expected that they'd be lacking significantly in some area's. Not to mention, you get back what you put out. Can't exactly expect Thomas Lang - or someone of that caliber - to show up for a Mr. "I don't write rhymes, I write checks!" audition(Then again, CC is playing for dang-blasted 'NKOTB' :D ).
I feel that dude is partly responsible for Black popular music becoming a shell of it's former self. He's not solely to blame, but he definitely played a significant role.
First of all, I don't see why Eric Moore didn't make it. Their is not one person on that show that I can say is a better drummer than Eric Moore. I don't know if Eric Moore can read, but even if he CAN'T - he OBVIOUSLY wouldn't be the only person on the show that can't read. It's not a skill he can't pick up relatively quickly, anyway. It'd be ton's easier for Eric Moore to learn to read, than for someone who can read only, to learn to play like Eric Moore.
At the same time, I find this whole show comical. Diddy's assistant's are acting all high and mighty like they're auditioning musician's for a Miles Davis quartet. ::) None of these guys are upper-tier technician's/theoretician's, so it should be expected that they'd be lacking significantly in some area's. Not to mention, you get back what you put out. Can't exactly expect Thomas Lang - or someone of that caliber - to show up for a Mr. "I don't write rhymes, I write checks!" audition(Then again, CC is playing for dang-blasted 'NKOTB' :D ).
I feel that dude is partly responsible for Black popular music becoming a shell of it's former self. He's not solely to blame, but he definitely played a significant role.
I honestly can see where eric moore wouldn't fit on this show...he can bllllaaaaaaaaaazzzzzeeeeeee chops for years. But obviously that's NOT what they wanted (or Kris would still be there). Kris ain't get cut for not knowin how to read he got cut for effort. All the judges even said if they were goin by who did what no one would have made it.
Its kinda like when u got the super flashy dude playin pg. A team like the spurs will pick a less talented player, but a player who fits their needs better therefore will be a better choice in the long run
When Diddy is telling the drummers to ride unicycles to Beverly Hills to get him some Hungarian Goat Cheese, he'll probably feel a lot better about not making the cut.
When Diddy is telling the drummers to ride unicycles to Beverly Hills to get him some Hungarian Goat Cheese, he'll probably feel a lot better about not making the cut.
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lest we forget the Cambodian breast milk
Oh, and Group #4 was the best one to me last night even though #1 put it down too. Group #4 nailed the feel of "Take On Me" to a "T" even though it's older than most of them.
Next week should be very interesting now that the singers come in. Jaila is about to show out. I need to do some neck exercises, because I'm sure I'm going to be shaking my head A LOT come next week.
i also think the reason they kept alex is because if you notice there are 4 groups.... but only 4 guitar players are left... i think this show is super staged... i think the reason why they asked mike more if he was sure because they already knew chris kee was going to be the drummer... just like lately they have been showing more from tim rawbiz.. hes going to be the bass player dont ask me how i know... but i can 100% gauruntee chris kee and tim rawbiz....inside source.... thats why they wanted mike moore to stay on keys because he had more of a chance... thats what my friend was telling me.. there is ALOT of politics going on .. on that show.. like alot more people then you think screwed up on the exercises that they didnt show.. i think there is more to it rather then skill.. thats just me tho..
I thought the final band was going to be selected during a live show at the end of the series?? Who are these " inside sources" that aleady know the chosen 1's?
i also think the reason they kept alex is because if you notice there are 4 groups.... but only 4 guitar players are left... i think this show is super staged... i think the reason why they asked mike more if he was sure because they already knew chris kee was going to be the drummer... just like lately they have been showing more from tim rawbiz.. hes going to be the bass player dont ask me how i know... but i can 100% gauruntee chris kee and tim rawbiz....inside source.... thats why they wanted mike moore to stay on keys because he had more of a chance... thats what my friend was telling me.. there is ALOT of politics going on .. on that show.. like alot more people then you think screwed up on the exercises that they didnt show.. i think there is more to it rather then skill.. thats just me tho..
ur inside source is wrong buddy..cuz tim rawbiz didnt make the final cut..but HEY keep watching.lolBLASPHEMY!!! *THROWS SHOES AT COMPUTER SCREEN!!*
ur inside source is wrong buddy..cuz tim rawbiz didnt make the final cut..but HEY keep watching.lol
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As for last night's show, it was GAH'BAHGE!!!!!! Charity should have went home. She might be cute, but the soul was not there.
And one more thing. How is a man in a dress gonna get upset because another man doesn't help him with his bag when he's the biggest man up in the doggone house?
I feel like I don't even know whats going on anymore with this show...They contradict themselves all the time saying play with swag, read with swag, yet do everything verbatim...Playing what is on paper/wax note for note yet adding emotion, your personsonality to it is what making music is about. It is totally possible to do and in most cases what we all should strive to do (unless we are told to stick to a specific vibe or reproduce a particular artist/musicians sound/feel). This is not contradictory.
They play favorites basically naming people to parts and excepting certain things from certain people but never cutting any slack when all the parts aren't there for others...They hardley ever anything positive to say...We see this happen in sports all the time. If you have not experienced it then you probably didn't play in a highly competitive atmospher. Bobby Knight was never pleased but a great coach. Harsh technique but highly motivating. It is also seen in the military... drill sergeant ... pledging fraternities... "you may never be right just don't be wrong and don't be late, LOL." Ray Charles, buddy Rich, James Brown were all strict perfectionists that were hard too please but they brought the best out of the people they worked with.
"you may never be right just don't be wrong and don't be late, LOL." Ray Charles, buddy Rich, James Brown were all strict perfectionists that were hard too please but they brought the best out of the people they worked with.
Romeo got HEATED!!! LOL!
LOL! Why did he tell Nina he was the only one that wanted her there. To be honest, Nina's and Ameera's voices are incredible though. Don't be mad at me for this, but I don't think Jaila can sing all that well no matter what gender.
Charity reminds me of this pianist in town who's dad is well known and is a music teacher. The dude thinks just because his dad is a very good musician that means he has it all together too. The funny thing is nobody here wants to play on a gig with him.
Don't be mad at me for this, but I don't think Jaila can sing all that well no matter what gender.Co Sign.
Don't be mad at me for this, but I don't think Jaila can sing all that well no matter what gender.
Charity reminds me of this pianist in town who's dad is well known and is a music teacher. The dude thinks just because his dad is a very good musician that means he has it all together too. The funny thing is nobody here wants to play on a gig with him.
Charity does come off as super arrogant. She got on my nerves talking about her parents PHD's in music.
Jaila can indeed sing, but HE is such a sideshow that that fact is easily ignorable.
but in all honesty i feel theres nobody on the show thats good enough to play drums for diddy..
LOL! Why did he tell Nina he was the only one that wanted her there. To be honest, Nina's and Ameera's voices are incredible though. Don't be mad at me for this, but I don't think Jaila can sing all that well no matter what gender.
Charity reminds me of this pianist in town who's dad is well known and is a music teacher. The dude thinks just because his dad is a very good musician that means he has it all together too. The funny thing is nobody here wants to play on a gig with him.
....Nina's and Ameera's voices are incredible though.....
please pm me who this is, me and c. brown are trying to figure it out .........lol
Agree, but if Nina's voice left her after just 3 or 4 days of working it hard, she probably would have problems on tour.
It was simply not meant for her at the time and the way Romeo acted I wouldn't be suprised to see her back there again before the show is over.
I think they should have let Romeo pick the singers,because he is a well known vocal coach and he has train some of the best in the business. the other people on the panel are just instrumentalist.
Diddy will be there next week and now the real show begins. I like the engineer and how he handled Diddy by not saying anything when he was talking all of that noise. That was all for the camera. I mean Diddy is so important that someone had to hand him his hat as he left the studio? You can't hold your own hat?
Really? Lynette, really? WhO dOeS tHaT?!
If her reason for being there was to be in the band, then she should've stayed focused and left all that personal drama, eHarmony stuff outside...
...instead, all that foolishness is on tv and some will remember her for that and not her talent...just a mess...just a mess...felt sorry for that chick...
*sigh* I guess I'm still hoping that this program will finally showcase everyone's skill,ya know, the reason why they should be in the house, like, the reason for the show(I think ?/?)...I can't make comparison based on snippets.
well, it's not like I expected something better...just really really hoping, that's all :-\
:D :D :D :D I was talking to the tv like....HE don't wanna dance with you! Move on.
We must've said it at the same time! LOL! :D I felt bad for her...J cut that chick up! He could've stopped at the first sentence but I guess dude had to make himself clear...no really clear...no really really clear...no really really clear clear clear
but, ya know...she put herself out there...
the whole week i think the show is stupid till its monday and i cant wait till watch it cuz i be thinking this week its gonna be good...
J Free and Thad really impressed me, I thought Chris was gonna get the Boot last night.. I didn't think Mike was that nice but he's a pretty solid drummer
Been hearing rumors this show has been canceled by MTV? anyone know? episode didn't show last night nor is it online.
A few of the "contestants" said that the show will be back on Sunday at 2:30 and then go back to its normal time on Monday...
anybody esle catch the show that came on sat night..it was pretty cool..
anybody esle catch the show that came on sat night..it was pretty cool..
Yea.. Glad it Came back on "Rawbizz" seems focused as do Blake .. Walter hasn't really said much but he's Crazy on his Bass .. I was looking to see Tario (Claude) get some air time ..... J Free is Sick But Tario got it locked on boards... Can't wait to see it tonight looks like J Free Approached Jalia BKA Mike AKA NASTY about who She?, He?, IT is..
wut?
The word in Philly is that Chris Kee got the gig.....Really?? any word on the board players?
The word in Philly is that Chris Kee got the gig.....Thats the word in Charlotte too!
Thats the word in Charlotte too!
not sure about this...as diligent hands per Nissan said that even the band members themselves don't know at this point..they're doing a "live" selection show...but hey things change. so perhaps the live show idea was scratched ?/?....the show was cool saturday, seems as if my boy j-free has been trying to smash ol'girl on the low. they showed clips of him sneaking in her room at night, getting in her bed and what not :-[ lol...shame shame.
I just watched the latest episode online. All I can do is sigh.
Just tell us who you picked and let move on.
I thought Jaila's 2 minutes with Diddy at his home was priceless entertainment.
I just watched it online too. Wow...One quote I remember...is when "Jaila" said "You just remember I used to be a man!" LOL!! This mess is crazy. I want to say more, but don't want to offend. Ima leave now.
I thought Jaila's 2 minutes with Diddy at his home was priceless entertainment.
...I also think they were wrong to get rid of the keyboard player that they let go of due to the claim that he looked bored, but the other side of it is when a musician goes off, it can take attention away from the performer out front, and that is no-no #1. I can bet you anything if he was super-hyped and was all over the place he would have been told to calm down because it wasn't all about him, it was about Diddy......
I was thinking the exact same thing when I was watching it. Twice now we have had guitarists just flat out TRIPPIN' (bunny-hop?!?!? behind the back?!?!?) but they managed to hold on.
the show is starting to get a bit boring..Ditto!! After the episode with the judges arguing, I lost interest. Corny!
If you missed it tonight, don't worry about it. Do something better with that hour. Believe me, it will be the best choice.
If you missed it tonight, don't worry about it. Do something better with that hour. Believe me, it will be the best choice.
IDK...I actually enjoyed watching this episode. It was more about getting ready to perform than all the psuedo-relationship stuff. Laurie Ann, fine as she may be, talks like she's from a parallel universe. I just don't understand every other sentence.
I don't understand why the judges / coaches won't address the fact that the singers say they can't hear themselves. That can be fixed. Fix it!
I especially loved it when Diddy said he was the worst singer in the room.
I'm sure there's a spot available on the security team for Jaila.
... Season Finale ... I'm surprised "Bunny Hop" made it to the end..
If you go onto the mtv website and watch the preview they say that they are picking two drummers between mike moore, chris kee, and thaddeus (dont know his last name). I guess one will be on the electric set and the other will be on the acoustic. They said they want them to learn from each other.
I Saw it also I was a bit surprise at how it went down...Im surprise no one is taking about it.
I think the main problem was switching it to a Saturday night. Most people who would watch it are gigging or just not home on a saturday night
The switch to Saturday night was a main problem for Diddy but, it was a great solution for MTV. There is just no way this show could compete with Monday Night Football.
I honestly dont even understand why most of you found this show interesting. You say you hate it but, you were watching every episode religiously lol.
Why does it matter who plays for Diddy? Truth is, it doesn't take much skill to play loops. Truth is, you play more challenging music in church. Truth is, most of you make more money on sunday than the musicians on that show. Truth is, that tour will not pay good. Why? Because Diddy doesn't have to pay good. His name is big enough to draw anxious, un-educated and "hype" addicted musicians who are happy as long as everyone "thinks" they are living a great road life, and everyone "thinks" they're getting paid a lot of money.
And why does everyone assume that these musicians are making so much money? Why, because Diddy has money? Because Jay Z has money? Here is your wake-up call. McDonald's is a multi-billion dollar company. Need I say more? I think I do. McDonald's employees come and go like tour musicians and their salaries are not too far apart. Actually, you are better off working at McDonald's because at least your job has stability and you're able to get some form of medical and dental benefits. The musicians who made the band are at home right now, waiting on a tour that doesn't start till next year. There will be so much time in-between, that you may not even see that band at all. It could be an entirley different band. Why? Because no one cares anyway. No one buys a diddy ticket for band members that you cant even see on stage lol.
These are just my efforts to get you guys to see the big picture before you step out there. This is a small community of gospel drummers who seem to be focused on all the wrong aspects of the music game. Your actual skill level on your instrument is the fun and easy part. Making a profitable name for yourself is the hard part. Making your own band. Making your own cd, dvd, tour...becoming the artist.
Peace and Love,
Kev
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Wow man I didn't know you had a cd out!!! Congratulations!!! :D Im really feeling that white turtle neck :o :o :o
Wow man I didn't know you had a cd out!!! Congratulations!!! :D Im really feeling that white turtle neck :o :o :o
Mcdonalds workers prolly make about $13000 a year. I'm pretty sure musicians make way more than that. If people made more at there church then they would stay there. Can you tell me what church you play for because im moving there right now. Half of the musicians on the show were pros already so they werent even hurt by not getting the gig. Tim Rawbiz is on the road with Toni Braxton right now. If he makes 13000 a year and he plays custom made MTD basses (not a bass, Basses) that can easily cost over a thousand dollars. You tellin me he spent a months pay on a bass. I mean no disrespect to you, but i honestly disagree with you. I honestly enjoyed the show. I liked watching musicians going through the process of learning and performing. You also received some advice from industry heavyweights like rob lewis and Nisan Stewart. Rob Lewis is actually about to retire in his mid thirties after making about 13-20 thousand a year for about 15 years. He some how is able to live off of that. Its amazing to me.
Well, can someone answer this question? Why Would Spanky leave Tye Tribbett who has one of the BADDEST Bands in the Gospel industry and play for Diddy if he was making little bit of money...there is no way they can pay you little bit of money and you are rehearsing for 12-16 hour a day just to make sure the music is right for the tour
So much bad information floating around on this thread...
LOL @ $1000 for a custom MTD...
LOL @ tour bands thinking their celebs(many of them can't even get a photo with the artist they play for)
I can't LOL @ young musicians feeding into the hype. That just ain't funny.
We gotta do better...
This thing sings like no other I've ever had.
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Mahogony "Chambered" body
Flamed Ash/Bubinga neck
Redwood burl top/headstock veneer
Striped Ebony fingerboard
Piezo bridge
"Sweet spot" Bart pickup
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God bless ;)
The switch to Saturday night was a main problem for Diddy but, it was a great solution for MTV. There is just no way this show could compete with Monday Night Football.
I honestly dont even understand why most of you found this show interesting. You say you hate it but, you were watching every episode religiously lol.
Why does it matter who plays for Diddy? Truth is, it doesn't take much skill to play loops. Truth is, you play more challenging music in church. Truth is, most of you make more money on sunday than the musicians on that show. Truth is, that tour will not pay good. Why? Because Diddy doesn't have to pay good. His name is big enough to draw anxious, un-educated and "hype" addicted musicians who are happy as long as everyone "thinks" they are living a great road life, and everyone "thinks" they're getting paid a lot of money.
And why does everyone assume that these musicians are making so much money? Why, because Diddy has money? Because Jay Z has money? Here is your wake-up call. McDonald's is a multi-billion dollar company. Need I say more? I think I do. McDonald's employees come and go like tour musicians and their salaries are not too far apart. Actually, you are better off working at McDonald's because at least your job has stability and you're able to get some form of medical and dental benefits. The musicians who made the band are at home right now, waiting on a tour that doesn't start till next year. There will be so much time in-between, that you may not even see that band at all. It could be an entirley different band. Why? Because no one cares anyway. No one buys a diddy ticket for band members that you cant even see on stage lol.
These are just my efforts to get you guys to see the big picture before you step out there. This is a small community of gospel drummers who seem to be focused on all the wrong aspects of the music game. Your actual skill level on your instrument is the fun and easy part. Making a profitable name for yourself is the hard part. Making your own band. Making your own cd, dvd, tour...becoming the artist.
Peace and Love,
Kev
thats YOUR OPINION...im pretty sure a musician for diddy makes more than any Mcdonalds employee or YOU..so this statement can go to hell...
thats YOUR OPINION...im pretty sure a musician for diddy makes more than any Mcdonalds employee or YOU..so this statement can go to hell...
McDonald's worker: $8/hr x 40hrs/week x 4wks/mo x 12mos/yr = $15,360.
Tour musician: $1000/week x 12 week tour = $12,000.
Coming home from tour to find that a 12 year old now has your church gig = PRICELESS!
God bless ;)
McDonald's worker: $8/hr x 40hrs/week x 4wks/mo x 12mos/yr = $15,360.
Tour musician: $1000/week x 12 week tour = $12,000.
Coming home from tour to find that a 12 year old now has your church gig = PRICELESS!
God bless ;)
McDonald's worker: $8/hr x 40hrs/week x 4wks/mo x 12mos/yr = $15,360.
Tour musician: $1000/week x 12 week tour = $12,000.
Coming home from tour to find that a 12 year old now has your church gig = PRICELESS!
God bless ;)
mmm...that $1000/wk may actually be kinda generous.
LOL, but I'd choose touring over working at Mcdonalds...coming home smelling chicken Mcnuggets everyday :D
Millions of others would agree with you. Therein lies the problem.
God bless
I will answer your question with a question. If Diddy already had a drummer, why did he need a tv show?
God bless
McDonald's worker: $8/hr x 40hrs/week x 4wks/mo x 12mos/yr = $15,360.
Tour musician: $1000/week x 12 week tour = $12,000.
Coming home from tour to find that a 12 year old now has your church gig = PRICELESS!
God bless ;)
Whats your point?
Thats not bad at all that is 12,000 u have made in 3 months man that is 48-50 thousand at the end of the year
My point is... a chicken mcnugget saved my life once. Therefore, my opinion is clearly biased.
God bless
Thats not bad at all that is 12,000 u have made in 3 months man that is 48-50 thousand at the end of the year
If you watch the finale he said Jamareo was the "defintion" of making his band. Discovering a musician who is talented enough but has never had an opportunity to play for a major artist. Tim Rawbiz, no offense to him, is the complete opposite of what the show is about. A musician who has played for the likes of Usher. You cant get much more major than Usher. I felt like Rawbiz would have done a better job but Jamareo needed the job way more. Tim Rawbiz getting the job is the same thing as Chris Brown going on Making the Band 4 and being in Day 26.
what was his name on lgm. cuz i live in the bass room. Dont play drums. dont know why i ever came in here.
Yeah, it is... if you get 3 more tours. :-\
thats YOUR OPINION...im pretty sure a musician for diddy makes more than any Mcdonalds employee or YOU..so this statement can go to hell...
Yea you guys are right 12,000 is not alot of money when u only touring for 3 months I was thinking the the artist will be on tour all year.Thats why i was a music major at first but i woke up when my church gave me a check and i went to the bank to cash it and there was not enough funds for me to cash my check I knew right then this is not the business for me. I switch to computer information with an minor in music
As for musicians making only 12,000, I'm pretty sure a good musician/businessman is going to be on more than one tour a year
Them fools dont make crap. diddy is barely makin it anytime u gotta go shows cause ur records flop like pancakes....man i a gree wit u KEV get a freakin job... do some concerts or two but a ***** gotta take care ofa family and you can't do that touring. Go to college and end up owning a record company.
This is my last response on this topic.
Here's an example of how quick things can change in this industry. Back in 1995, I played for an up-and-coming hip-hop artist that was signed to Sony Music. We rehearsed on a Sunday, and went to Atlanta that Tuesday to do his album release party where we played live. Had a pretty good turnout. I even met the man that signed Janet Jackson to Virgin Records as he came through to support. Then after the gig, we hung out at the house of a well-known singer. Hmmm, so far so good.
Well, we had such a good set that they made plans to send us to Miami, FL to upon up for George Clinton and the P-Funk All-Stars the next week, also on the bill was The Fugees, and I forget the other act. We go down to FL, I hang with Pras from the Fugees at the venue most of the afternoon as he was a pretty cool cat. Met this person, that person. A lot of big-wigs are in the room. Even met George Clinton and talked with him for a minute as he was very personable. We have another good set. So plans are announced that we will be doing a Black college tour with The Fugees who were just about to release The Score CD which went on the sell about 15+ million copies worldwide.
I'm in touch with management making plans to go on tour. Even had my future drum tech call to introduce himself to me and get some info for future reference. Had a tentative endorsement deal with Pearl Drums whose USA headquarters are right here in Nashville. Yadda, yadda, yadda this and that. Next thing you know, the tour fizzles as supposedly the dates were not confirmed by management or something along that line.
Well, the artist then booked 2 weeks in Paris, France about a month later opening up for Branford Marsalis which was confirmed. He had new management which was a somewhat notorious cat we all knew. He got things done, but he would benefit the most from it. Well he calls me and asks when do I want to be paid. I give him the going rate for sidemen(I said between $1000 or $1500 a week for the gig but I had many pros tell me a major label artist should pay you at least $2k even starting out), he offers me what I would miss on my job(which was not much at the time) plus a meal per diem.
Then he goes into all of the first class living, and women that would be available to me just for going and kept trying to get me to accept his offer instead of making me a real concrete offer. I am a businessman first when you talk money to me, and the rest of it is not a big deal. What was really happening is that the manager had to submit a budget to the label for the trip including our salaries, and what cash he did not spend, he would basically keep and just write it off as an expense. I'm not supposed to know how this goes down, but I knew exactly what was up.
I was supposed to be blinded by the glitz and glamour and not worry about still being broke when I got back home. I was not the least bit phased by any of that and I passed on it. All of the other musicians went and talked about how great it was and how the experience was more important than the money. Well, I can't pay bills with experience. But they went without a drummer in the end. I can't call that part of it, but no one was really mad at me for keeping it business. This is an old story, but it still goes on today. In fact somewhere it's happening this very minute. I love to play, but I got burned out on bad business even with simple little club gigs where I would play just to not get my money at the end of the night and have to drive out to somebody's house the next week to get paid. Yeah, it's been done to me with churches and Gospel artists as well. That get's old REAL quick.
My career focus is now on producing, composing, songwriting, and eventually a record label. If a "big-time" gig comes along that is worth doing, I will still only do it if the business is right and I mean that.
For you to say he is barely making it...that's ridiculous.
So um, about this show.
Personally I believe it was something set up for Diddy to be able to piece together a band that he could pay pretty much nothing because truth be told Diddy isnt selling albums like he used to and most of his money has come from his investments and such not record sales.
Was it a good opportunity? sure. Although i have a feeling whatever contract they have to sign to play is one thats very binding so we will see how that turns out.
As far as making a living as a musician it can be done. A lot of people say do it as a side job but if you have the passion and the drive to do it full time you can make a living off of it. Just playing by itself could support you depending on what kind of lifestyle your trying to live then there is also teaching and such.
As far as a musician making 12,000 a year at a church i say God Bless you and move to the south. There are musicians i know of that make decent money one in particular gets paid around $30,000 a year to play guitar at a church that has around 4000-5000 members. I mean high paying churches are out there you just gotta know where to look if thats your main focus in a church (how much you get paid).
In the end the music industry is almost like any other in the sense that you have to have the will and desire to succeed. You will only go as far as you prepare yourself to go.
So um, about this show.
Personally I believe it was something set up for Diddy to be able to piece together a band that he could pay pretty much nothing because truth be told Diddy isnt selling albums like he used to and most of his money has come from his investments and such not record sales.
Was it a good opportunity? sure. Although i have a feeling whatever contract they have to sign to play is one thats very binding so we will see how that turns out.
As far as making a living as a musician it can be done. A lot of people say do it as a side job but if you have the passion and the drive to do it full time you can make a living off of it. Just playing by itself could support you depending on what kind of lifestyle your trying to live then there is also teaching and such.
As far as a musician making 12,000 a year at a church i say God Bless you and move to the south. There are musicians i know of that make decent money one in particular gets paid around $30,000 a year to play guitar at a church that has around 4000-5000 members. I mean high paying churches are out there you just gotta know where to look if thats your main focus in a church (how much you get paid).
In the end the music industry is almost like any other in the sense that you have to have the will and desire to succeed. You will only go as far as you prepare yourself to go.
Lol at people who keep saying "I'm pretty sure this, and I'm pretty sure that..." Why do you people make up random numbers in your heads? Why do people assume diddy is at least paying 500 a night?
I would like to know some more make-believe numbers.
How much do you get paid to be on the cover of MD?
How much percentage do you earn on a solo Hudson DVD project?
How much do you get paid to play on MD Fest DVD's?
How much money do you earn every month because you used to play for that person, this person, and them over there...?
How much do you get paid to have your pic on a sabian box of cymbals?
How much do you get paid to perform at a NAMM booth?
How much money do you get paid to do a clinic at Guitar Center?
I know the real answers but I would love to hear what you think, what you assume, what you're pretty sure of, and what makes sense to you. Just don't give me any hard truth answers cause that's no fun at all lol.
Man I wouldve hated to be some of your parents when it was time to break the news about Santa Clause. "Shut up dad! I'm pretty sure Santa is gonna bring me a fresh new nut sack to swing on so you and your truth can go to hell" lol
Well thats the thing. We dont know how much they are getting paid. However im sure Diddy sells out more than Musi
Lol at people who keep saying "I'm pretty sure this, and I'm pretty sure that..." Why do you people make up random numbers in your heads? Why do people assume diddy is at least paying 500 a night?
I would like to know some more make-believe numbers.
How much do you get paid to be on the cover of MD?
How much percentage do you earn on a solo Hudson DVD project?
How much do you get paid to play on MD Fest DVD's?
How much money do you earn every month because you used to play for that person, this person, and them over there...?
How much do you get paid to have your pic on a sabian box of cymbals?
How much do you get paid to perform at a NAMM booth?
How much money do you get paid to do a clinic at Guitar Center?
I know the real answers but I would love to hear what you think, what you assume, what you're pretty sure of, and what makes sense to you. Just don't give me any hard truth answers cause that's no fun at all lol.
Man I wouldve hated to be some of your parents when it was time to break the news about Santa Clause. "Shut up dad! I'm pretty sure Santa is gonna bring me a fresh new nut sack to swing on so you and your truth can go to hell" lol
Bruh u need to chill..u not captain planet or the pink ranger of lgm...u seemed humble at one point but ever since u went PLANTNIUM on CDBABY u flipped the script
..stop hating on these cats, cuz i bet MY LIFE that if diddy calls you RIGHT now to go on tour with him in one week from now you'll be making BLOGS from your bunk of the tour bus..so please take ur lame LOGIC else where..cuz im broke and im not BUYING IT..
Question for DOD/Flat/BFBT...
What about people like Vinnie, Dave Weckl, Calvin Etc... Are they in the same boat as all these musicians that you're talking about? It seems like they are doing pretty well, but then again I don't know for sure... But if they are making it, what is the difference between them and anyone else? They started out as aspiring musicians just like everyone else. These are real question by the way, I'm not just trying to argue...
Question for DOD/Flat/BFBT...
What about people like Vinnie, Dave Weckl, Calvin Etc... Are they in the same boat as all these musicians that you're talking about? It seems like they are doing pretty well, but then again I don't know for sure... But if they are making it, what is the difference between them and anyone else? They started out as aspiring musicians just like everyone else. These are real question by the way, I'm not just trying to argue...
I can attest to this post. I know someone right now on tour with Lil Wayne as a producer and keyboard player. He accepted the measley pay of $200 per week to tour with him. ridiculous!!
The switch to Saturday night was a main problem for Diddy but, it was a great solution for MTV. There is just no way this show could compete with Monday Night Football.
I honestly dont even understand why most of you found this show interesting. You say you hate it but, you were watching every episode religiously lol.
Why does it matter who plays for Diddy? Truth is, it doesn't take much skill to play loops. Truth is, you play more challenging music in church. Truth is, most of you make more money on sunday than the musicians on that show. Truth is, that tour will not pay good. Why? Because Diddy doesn't have to pay good. His name is big enough to draw anxious, un-educated and "hype" addicted musicians who are happy as long as everyone "thinks" they are living a great road life, and everyone "thinks" they're getting paid a lot of money.
And why does everyone assume that these musicians are making so much money? Why, because Diddy has money? Because Jay Z has money? Here is your wake-up call. McDonald's is a multi-billion dollar company. Need I say more? I think I do. McDonald's employees come and go like tour musicians and their salaries are not too far apart. Actually, you are better off working at McDonald's because at least your job has stability and you're able to get some form of medical and dental benefits. The musicians who made the band are at home right now, waiting on a tour that doesn't start till next year. There will be so much time in-between, that you may not even see that band at all. It could be an entirley different band. Why? Because no one cares anyway. No one buys a diddy ticket for band members that you cant even see on stage lol.
These are just my efforts to get you guys to see the big picture before you step out there. This is a small community of gospel drummers who seem to be focused on all the wrong aspects of the music game. Your actual skill level on your instrument is the fun and easy part. Making a profitable name for yourself is the hard part. Making your own band. Making your own cd, dvd, tour...becoming the artist.
Peace and Love,
Kev
I can attest to this post. I know someone right now on tour with Lil Wayne as a producer and keyboard player. He accepted the measley pay of $200 per week to tour with him. ridiculous!!
I can attest to this post. I know someone right now on tour with Lil Wayne as a producer and keyboard player. He accepted the measley pay of $200 per week to tour with him. ridiculous!!
The key is to have multiple streams of income. Product. That is the only way to survive. I dont encorage touring as an easily replaceable musician, where if the budget is low, the artist can just sing or rap to tracks. Its a good start while youre 19 and 20, but at some time, you have to do something for yourself because that kind of money is low and unstable.
I wish I grabbed this concept a long time ago but no one ever wants to be real about anything so they let you drown in "hype."
The key is to have multiple streams of income. Product. That is the only way to survive. I dont encorage touring as an easily replaceable musician, where if the budget is low, the artist can just sing or rap to tracks. Its a good start while youre 19 and 20, but at some time, you have to do something for yourself because that kind of money is low and unstable.
I wish I grabbed this concept a long time ago but no one ever wants to be real about anything so they let you drown in "hype."
OMG.... LOLing... ROTFLOLing... CRYING... NOT BREATHING... CALLING THE PARAMEDICS.... LOLROTFLOL someone help me ova hea!!!
At this thread!!!! OMG..... you drummers... SMH...
*note to self* NEVER... NEVER enter this site without weapons and body armor!!!!
and GEEESSSSSHHHH!!!!! where are the moderators when ya need them!!!!
...they're out on tour with the Ronald McDonald band at $7.25 an hour. ;D
I mean it is so sad, and the sad part about it is that this could have been avoided if people can just keep their darn mouth closed sometimes. I mean you wanna act all caring, humble, and knowledgeable...then you turn around and start showing your behind. In reality you think you're on point, but truth is being that this is a christian (Gospel) site you're really making yourself look like a Jxxxxxx....(Donkey)
Are you talking about Lynette? If he is, then he's just being typical and getting in where he can. And he has also clowned himself if he went there. If I was there would have my eye on that thick redbone singer with the long curly hair. I guess she's out of J. Free's league.
As for the show overall, I really think that MTV is just kinda tired of the Diddy machine. Just the fact that it comes on on Saturday night now shows that the program isn't all that and people really aren't watching. I'm really thinking this may be the end of the MTB/MHB franchise. That's why this P. Diddy's Starmaker show has been setup. He's trying to repackage it as if it's something brand new. I actually have yet to watch it.
when you get down to the core point of this thread, it's very informative. I don't have any serious aspirations to be a touring musician but I never in a million years would've thought that mainstream artists could get away with paying their backers $200 a week. If it's money you're after than be aware that accepting deals for $200 a week ain't gonna get you there. If you're in it for any other reason then keep that as your focus. I'm not the best musician out there and I don't claim to be great but I know my value; and the sweet Lawd Jesus is the only famous person that can get away with paying me $200 a week to tour, but I guess it all depends on what "you" value more.
I've just learned that everyone famous ain't looking out for your best interest so you darn well better. And just because somebody is assumed to have big money doesn't mean that they're gonna come off their paper to get what they want out of you. I say brand yourself and determine your own worth and purpose. If you do that can't nobody tell you you ain't happy, even making $200 a week.
What could've been avoided?
All this division between God's children, when this site is suppose to the opposite.....unity. And yes there is definately division.
Interesting.
Do you have a name?
Name please.
Sort Of On Topic:
ok im sitting here with the MD for City of Refuge Church,Mary Mary,new kids on the block tour and the jamie foxx tour...and he said one of the new cats playing for diddy would make like 1000 a week...
but big name drummers such as aaron spears or nissan stewart can make up to 4500-5000 a week...plus like 60-100 dollars for food each day..
and that there is noooo way possible that some guy makes 200 bucks a week for lil wayne,unless its one of his homeboys that just kicks it with him....
info from the horses mouth...
Idk... Theres a wealth of knowledge in this thread and I don't think any of that would have come about without people having differing opinons... I see it more as iron sharpening iron.
ok im sitting here with the MD for City of Refuge Church,Mary Mary,new kids on the block tour and the jamie foxx tour...and he said one of the new cats playing for diddy would make like 1000 a week...
For the headliner of a major tour, that isn't even peanuts. Those are Skittles with the green ones missing.
This must be the drum room...lol! I have never played behind any professional artists. I take it that dude-on-drums has played behind some very famous people...he knows all the answers. The point I want to make is: Different musicians will get paid differently for the same gig.True dat!!
Ex: Andrew Gouche will get paid more than I would! I could be a beast like him(I'm not...lol) but because of his name(and skill)recognition; he would get paid more.
Go ahead and put Calvin and Vinnie in the same boat but you cant add Dave with them. Unlike Vinnie and Calvin, Dave is a solo artist. That means he is the CEO of his operations as well as a side man when needed, which in return, ups his worth. Calvin and Vinnie are great session cats but they are only paid 1 time for the session unless they have writing credits, in which most cases if not all of them, they dont. Dave makes money in his sleep. He wakes up, (like me but on a way smaller scale,) and discovers that he sold some records last night. Thats cash going directly to him. If Fred Hammond or Herbie Hancock sell records, Vinnie and Calvin dont see another dime. A musician in the shoes of Vinnie and Calvin have to work 3 times as hard in order to live a decent life and 6 times as hard to put any money up for retirement. Why do you think they are on so many records? Its not because no one else in Chicago can do the job. Its not because Vinnie is the best. Chick Corea and Fred Hammond have both replaced drummers in the past and soon they will do it again.That is wisdom.
The more product that Dave puts out, the more money he earns every month. He has something like 9 solo albums and 5 dvds. Again, making money while he's on side gigs.
The key is to have multiple streams of income. Product. That is the only way to survive. I dont encorage touring as an easily replaceable musician, where if the budget is low, the artist can just sing or rap to tracks. Its a good start while youre 19 and 20, but at some time, you have to do something for yourself because that kind of money is low and unstable.
I wish I grabbed this concept a long time ago but no one ever wants to be real about anything so they let you drown in "hype."
Just think about it guys. If the game was so stable, then cats wouldnt have such long resumes lol. How many NBA teams has Kobe Bryant played for? Now thats stability. The cats who get traded here and there are not making big bucks. They are barely staying on a team. And in terms of money, I am quite generous to compare the NBA to pro musicians cause they are no where in the same tax brackets.
LOL... i guess.... I'm not sure if i should laugh or cry... LGM.. the G stood for gospel.. Why in the world are the brethern so evil up in the joint!!!! i mean, it's comedy.. but i'm crying on the inside for the poor soul who was called a pink ranger.. that was kinda mean... but i SOOOOOOO LOLed!!! I'm still going through, re-reading... and re-laughing lolSTUpid lol!!!
ok im sitting here with the MD for City of Refuge Church,Mary Mary,new kids on the block tour and the jamie foxx tour...and he said one of the new cats playing for diddy would make like 1000 a week...This post hs the ring of truth IMO
but big name drummers such as aaron spears or nissan stewart can make up to 4500-5000 a week...plus like 60-100 dollars for food each day..
and that there is noooo way possible that some guy makes 200 bucks a week for lil wayne,unless its one of his homeboys that just kicks it with him....
info from the horses mouth...
i bet if u eat skittles with ur eyes closed u cant tell what color ur eating neither..You are funny....but true. lol
diddy picked some young cats..WHO OBVIOUSLY has nothing to do since they came on the show trying to do something....
even if they not making 1000 a night..im pretty sure giving them 600 a show and going places u only dreamed of! playing in front of 1000's of people that in itself is priceless..
im pretty sure nobody on his band is trippen...cuz aint nobody on LGM making over 500 a night OR playing in LONDON,ITALY,or MOSCOW on a nightly basis..
Bruh u need to chill..u not captain planet or the pink ranger of lgm...u seemed humble at one point but ever since u went PLANTNIUM on CDBABY u flipped the script
..stop hating on these cats, cuz i bet MY LIFE that if diddy calls you RIGHT now to go on tour with him in one week from now you'll be making BLOGS from your bunk of the tour bus..so please take ur lame LOGIC else where..cuz im broke and im not BUYING IT..
ok im sitting here with the MD for City of Refuge Church,Mary Mary,new kids on the block tour and the jamie foxx tour...and he said one of the new cats playing for diddy would make like 1000 a week...
but big name drummers such as aaron spears or nissan stewart can make up to 4500-5000 a week...plus like 60-100 dollars for food each day..
and that there is noooo way possible that some guy makes 200 bucks a week for lil wayne,unless its one of his homeboys that just kicks it with him....
info from the horses mouth...
I know I was probaly waaayyy off topic, but I just felt the need to put that on the table, oh....and keep God truly first. With him as the HEAD of your life, your driver...you will never go wrong.
You are funny....but true. lol
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It's ok... lol... look at the other posts... everyone's off subject. LOL
Lol...that's true!!!
So, I'll take it that your favorite quote is, "LOL...that's ture!!!" ???? ::) ;D
ok im sitting here with the MD for City of Refuge Church,Mary Mary,new kids on the block tour and the jamie foxx tour...and he said one of the new cats playing for diddy would make like 1000 a week...
but big name drummers such as aaron spears or nissan stewart can make up to 4500-5000 a week...plus like 60-100 dollars for food each day..
and that there is noooo way possible that some guy makes 200 bucks a week for lil wayne,unless its one of his homeboys that just kicks it with him....
info from the horses mouth...
um what would i rather do....go back 10 yrs of my college life running around to every mtb show audition, hunt down folks for gigs, beg for gear, be all funky coming to church on sundays, start smoking weed on the weekends cause i can't pay the bills, maybe get lucky to play on a few gigs only to turn out that people wont know who the hell i am, by the way i'm assuming you believe gigs have an awsome 401k plan, dental, life, and health plan as well? Yeah i guess i'm just dying to go back those years of my college life and skip the opportunity to be working at IBM right now were i can make the salary of one freakin gig in a week. I choose NOT to...
GET A REAL JOB !
Brutha28,
...are you bragging?
I'm saying that going to college and working hard for a living, paid off and I can afford to have leisure. If you can't afford to have leisure then you need to rethink you strategy. I have alot of friends, family who are in music but one thing i was taught always is education is FIRST and formost after God.
...can someone please break this down for me?
...I got called to play drums for X artist for a 6 month tour. He's paying me $2,500 a week.
...What am I making after taxes? Is health insurance included? How about a retirement plan?
...I live in an apartment that pays $1,100 a month not counting living expenses. I have a new Scion XB that pays $430 a month with full coverage insurance included. I have a Credit Card that has a $7,500 balance due to all of this gear that I had to purchase prior to getting some endorsements. (because company's aren't giving things away until you're purchasing their "product.")
...can I make it? BTW, what happens when the tour is over?
if I may add my lil pennies to this whole discussion... I feel there are valid points coming from every angle, some are being delivered in a way that comes off as "well im the know it all, or im the man so you better believe me or else" just because you have this going for doesn't make you billybad@$$ either, the the know it all attitudes and drummer gangstas is getin really whack, i look at and respect everyone's OPINION almost equally, u take the gud or bad and keep it moving, but jus because someone maybe be producing there own cd/dvd's or whatever that makes them so grand that there opinion is golden, and for all the people that can't fornm there own opinion get off others and grow a pair yourself!!! be your own man, form your own and definitely don't try to force your opinion on others or just because they don't take heed to what you're saying, thats whack!!! i don't consider myself the man on this board or even close to it, but i do like to offer my advice from my perspective, ive been thru alot and seen alot and i know my fair share of the business as well because ive been blessed to have tight relationships with certain people that are doing this very thing that is being discussed...
some of it is HYPE, but then there are others that are really doing it and being smart about it, it all boils down to common sense you evaluate your personal situation and if you can afford to take chump change then do it, only you can call yourself stupid in the end, but don't be influenced by SOUR people, God gives us our own paths we must follow, who the heezy are you to tell someone else there way is dumb or you're stoopid, get serious bros and handle your own and some people need to get off there plastic high horses and stay in there lanes
now recently I had the oppurtunity to go out with a group and tech for the drummer making $600 a wk and a $20 per day per diem, and the band wouldve only been giggn 3 or 4 days out of the week, well to some thats alot of money if you have no kids/wife and if you didn't mind spending the 1st 3 days in Puerto Rico while only having 1 show there, so 2 free PAID DAYS wudve have been dope right??? well Im sorry i had to turn it down because i have responsibilty here at my church and God has blessed me to make very close to that w/o punching a clock...lol, so kp in mind this gig wasn't evn playing drums, so it can be done regardless of who says it can't, but fellas all imma say is be wise and don't believe the hype, the only person who should have your trust is Jesus and nobody on this board all they can do is offer opinions, especially if there used to getting burnt, im gonna end this long post of mind, its too long for me but had to vent, i prolly shuda made a video, it wud've been way easier....lol
Well, I think comes down to short and long-term thinking.
- Is this a lifestyle that can be sustained for years, with sufficient compensation?
- Do you have greater aspirations in the industry, and you're simply using these opportunities to get your foot in the door?
- Do you have kids? Is it fair to your family for you to be out on the road all the time, while you live out your fantasies?
Ultimately, you need to have a plan. Too many people take positions, and remain stuck, because they have no true aspirations outside of playing the current gig/tour and getting paid, and HOPING others fall into your lap. That is living life foolishly, but "hype" can cause people to do foolish things.
Most musicians eventually tire of the road, but have to keep on keeping on, because they squandered what they had, and need to keep gigging to support their lifestyle/make the ends meet.
Educate yourself and plan for the short and long-term according to what's wise and real(The most likely consequences of your choices). Jumping into that life without a plan is like having sex with a lot of females, not being smart, and ending up with more children than you can provide for sufficiently. Eventually, after all your fun, you're likely going o hate what you're left with/what you've gotten yourself into.
Well, I think comes down to short and long-term thinking.
- Is this a lifestyle that can be sustained for years, with sufficient compensation?
- Do you have greater aspirations in the industry, and you're simply using these opportunities to get your foot in the door?
- Do you have kids? Is it fair to your family for you to be out on the road all the time, while you live out your fantasies?
Ultimately, you need to have a plan. Too many people take positions, and remain stuck, because they have no true aspirations outside of playing the current gig/tour and getting paid, and HOPING others fall into your lap. That is living life foolishly, but "hype" can cause people to do foolish things.
Most musicians eventually tire of the road, but have to keep on keeping on, because they squandered what they had, and need to keep gigging to support their lifestyle/make the ends meet.
Educate yourself and plan for the short and long-term according to what's wise and real(The most likely consequences of your choices). Jumping into that life without a plan is like having sex with a lot of females, not being smart, and ending up with more children than you can provide for sufficiently. Eventually, after all your fun, you're likely going o hate what you're left with/what you've gotten yourself into.
Well, I think comes down to short and long-term thinking.
- Is this a lifestyle that can be sustained for years, with sufficient compensation?
- Do you have greater aspirations in the industry, and you're simply using these opportunities to get your foot in the door?
- Do you have kids? Is it fair to your family for you to be out on the road all the time, while you live out your fantasies?
Ultimately, you need to have a plan. Too many people take positions, and remain stuck, because they have no true aspirations outside of playing the current gig/tour and getting paid, and HOPING others fall into your lap. That is living life foolishly, but "hype" can cause people to do foolish things.
Most musicians eventually tire of the road, but have to keep on keeping on, because they squandered what they had, and need to keep gigging to support their lifestyle/make the ends meet.
Educate yourself and plan for the short and long-term according to what's wise and real(The most likely consequences of your choices). Jumping into that life without a plan is like having sex with a lot of females, not being smart, and ending up with more children than you can provide for sufficiently. Eventually, after all your fun, you're likely going o hate what you're left with/what you've gotten yourself into.
if I may add my lil pennies to this whole discussion... I feel there are valid points coming from every angle, some are being delivered in a way that comes off as "well im the know it all, or im the man so you better believe me or else" just because you have this going for doesn't make you billybad@$$ either, the the know it all attitudes and drummer gangstas is getin really whack, i look at and respect everyone's OPINION almost equally, u take the gud or bad and keep it moving, but jus because someone maybe be producing there own cd/dvd's or whatever that makes them so grand that there opinion is golden, and for all the people that can't fornm there own opinion get off others and grow a pair yourself!!! be your own man, form your own and definitely don't try to force your opinion on others or just because they don't take heed to what you're saying, thats whack!!! i don't consider myself the man on this board or even close to it, but i do like to offer my advice from my perspective, ive been thru alot and seen alot and i know my fair share of the business as well because ive been blessed to have tight relationships with certain people that are doing this very thing that is being discussed...Uuhhhh...different strokes for different folks. If you're okay with doing a gig that doesn't pay that much then cool, stick to your guns; if not say no and move on to something that suits your purpose and needs.
some of it is HYPE, but then there are others that are really doing it and being smart about it, it all boils down to common sense you evaluate your personal situation and if you can afford to take chump change then do it, only you can call yourself stupid in the end, but don't be influenced by SOUR people, God gives us our own paths we must follow, who the heezy are you to tell someone else there way is dumb or you're stoopid, get serious bros and handle your own and some people need to get off there plastic high horses and stay in there lanes
now recently I had the oppurtunity to go out with a group and tech for the drummer making $600 a wk and a $20 per day per diem, and the band wouldve only been giggn 3 or 4 days out of the week, well to some thats alot of money if you have no kids/wife and if you didn't mind spending the 1st 3 days in Puerto Rico while only having 1 show there, so 2 free PAID DAYS wudve have been dope right??? well Im sorry i had to turn it down because i have responsibilty here at my church and God has blessed me to make very close to that w/o punching a clock...lol, so kp in mind this gig wasn't evn playing drums, so it can be done regardless of who says it can't, but fellas all imma say is be wise and don't believe the hype, the only person who should have your trust is Jesus and nobody on this board all they can do is offer opinions, especially if there used to getting burnt, im gonna end this long post of mind, its too long for me but had to vent, i prolly shuda made a video, it wud've been way easier....lol