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Offline Juvenile

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« on: December 15, 2003, 10:53:56 AM »
I remeber you guys talked about playing chords with two hands. Willing this pattern you gave me is cool, I understand that the root of the chord is in your left, but i can't see what inversion your playing with the right. Can you help me understand it please?

C / Bb-Eb-G
B / A-D-Gb
Bb / Ab-Db-F
A / G-B-Eb
Ab / Ab-C-Eb-Ab

Cm7_Bm7_Bbm7_A11_Ab
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2003, 12:14:06 PM »
Hey Daniel,

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Cm7_Bm7_Bbm7_A11_Ab


first let me correct myself the A11 chord is suppose to be an A9(b5) chord.

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 but i can't see what inversion your playing with the right.

C / Bb-Eb-G
B / A-D-Gb
Bb / Ab-Db-F
A / G-B-Eb
Ab / Ab-C-Eb-Ab


    C / Bb-Eb-G is C / Eb (2nd inv)
    B / A-D-Gb is B / D (2nd inv)
    Bb / Ab-Db-F  is Bb / Db (2nd inv)
    A / G-B-Eb  is A / Gaug (root inv)
    Ab / Ab-C-Eb-Ab is Ab (root inv)
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    but it really does not matter what inversion your using. If it sound good to you then it all good.
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2003, 12:34:45 PM »
aint the first three third inversions?
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2003, 10:08:51 PM »
Hey J,
    You kinda remind me of myself in the type of question you are asking..  This is what I had to do to "Free my mind" (as Will would say).   I had to stop thinking of chords all the time iin terms of inversions but just think of the "quality" of the chord.  By "quality" I mean that if it is a C chord, all the inversions are still a C chord.  The helped me think of chords in a different way.  Ex:

If I was going from C to C7 (I to I7), I would think this:

C / C E G
C / Bb C E G

but now I think

C / C E G
C Bb / C E G

or if I was moving from C to A (I to vi) (I think I posted this before)

C / C E G
A / C E G

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2003, 11:13:28 AM »
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Hey J,
   
If I was going from C to C7 (I to I7), I would think this:
What do you mean by 17? I though there were only 8 degrees to a scale.C / C E G
C / Bb C E G

but now I think

C / C E G
C Bb / C E G

Why are you playing both the root and the 7th in the left hand? I understad why you would play the 7th as your playing the third inversion of the chord.
or if I was moving from C to A (I to vi) (I think I posted this before)

C / C E G
A / C E G

Im confused, how can that be an A chord? It looks like a Cmaj triad with an A base note?

Sorry to seem lie such a pest.

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FAO Willing & 4higlory
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2003, 11:47:07 AM »
THESE GUYS POSTED SOME GOOD STUFF! WHEN YOU PLAY CHORDS WITH THE LEFT HAND, YOUR ROOT NORE WILL BE THE 1ST NOTE IN THE LEFT HAND, UNLESS YOU'RE ON THE ORGAN...THEN IT'S THE FOOT BASS...A CHORD HAS MANY VARIATIONS:

C / CEG
CG / CEG
CG / Am
CG / Em
CG / Bb
CBb / CEG
CBb / D
EBb / CEG
EBb / D

IT'S ALL A C CHORD, THERE'S MORE THAN THAT, BUT YOU GET THE IDEA, NOW THE CHORDS WITH THE E ON THE BOTTOM IS A ROOTLESS CHORD VOICING, ON THE ORGAN YOU'D PLAY THE C WITH THE FOOT.

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2003, 04:39:43 PM »
is this what u mean, tell me if im wrong?

 C / CEG left hand = the note C  right hand= C E & G

 CG / CEG left hand = the notes C and G (1&4) right hand  =C E & G
 
CG / Am left hand = the notes C and G right hand= A C & E = C6 which
 is same as a Cmaj7 in sound quality

CG / Em left hand = the notes C and G right hand= E G & B = Cmaj7

CG / Bb left hand = the notes C and G right hand =Bb = C7

CBb / CEG left hand = the notes C and Bb right hand =C E & G =C7

CBb / D left hand = the notes C and Bb right hand D = Cadd9

 EBb / CEG left hand = the notes E and Bb right hand =C E & G =C7 1st position, sort of
EBb / D left hand = the notes E & Bb and G right hand= D =C add 9 (no root)
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2003, 04:59:39 PM »
Hey  J,
   Let me answer your questions

1. What do you mean by 17? I though there were only 8 degrees to a scale.

Sorry for not being clearn here.  I was talking about scale degrees I (one) and I7 (one seven)  in the key of C that would be C to C7 or C major to the C dominant 7


2.  Why are you playing both the root and the 7th in the left hand? I understad why you would play the 7th as your playing the third inversion of the chord.

One thing you need to remember is "A chord is a chord is a chord" :)  As long as the tones that are need to make that chord is present, it is that chord.  Example

Hit the middle c, then hit the G above that, and the E above that (C G E) ???  What chord is that??  Its a C chord  Inversions are import but also knowing what notes make up certain chords is important also

For this Example:  
C / C E G
C Bb / C E G

I played the Bb in the left hand to change the chord from a C to a C7 chord.  Remember, as long as the notes are present it can be that chord.

Im confused, how can that be an A chord? It looks like a Cmaj triad with an A base note?

C / C E G
A / C E G

Remember to not just look at one hand, look at the entire chord being played.  The notes A C E G make up the Am (A minor) chord (in the context of the the key of C).

You are askling the same question I use to ask.  If you still don't understand, keep asking.  Thats the ony way you are going to get it.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2003, 05:45:46 PM »
yeah!!!!

I understand, the idea is that all chords can be played with two hands, Im spending the rest of the week digesting it and making it all stick. I totally understand but here's another question:

Is it okay to sometimes leave out the 3rd & 5th eg when playing a Cadd9 chord. so it would be:

CBb\D

when can you leave out certain degrees of a chord?

how would you thus play a cmaj9/cmaj11
I was thinking CEA\DG=CMAJ9

I've seen this chord dictionary there are so many chords to learn, must you know them allto be decent?

http://64.33.34.112/MFILE/vpc.html


thanks guys
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2003, 06:08:42 PM »
It depends on how the person posts, but in normal music notation, "D" means "Dmajor", so you'd play DF#A. You'll have to pay attention to how the person posts, but I think it's safe to think this way.

So if you see:

CBb\D


That'd be CBb\DF#A .... unless the poster says otherwise. Remember the formula.


You can leave out any key that you want, but that may change the name of the chord, which is not necessarily important; however, some keys are more important than others, mainly the 1st, 3rd and 7th.



Like I said before, I think chord dictionaries are over-rated. Once you learn the formula, you can recognize any chord. It just takes practice to know them fluently. If you're having problems with chords, right now, stay away from the dictionaries. Use your brain. Looking at all those chords can sometimes confuse you.
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